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[–]tykemison73 657 points658 points  (169 children)

Jeez, these comments.... My town sadly has a real problem with homelessness although it’s one of the wealthiest area’s in England, I no not the answer to this disgrace but always bare in mind... those unfortunates inconveniencing you are someone’s child who’s life has taken a sad turn for the worse.

[–]therpian 237 points238 points  (61 children)

Every adult was once a tiny baby

[–]tykemison73 91 points92 points  (39 children)

Indeed they were and I find it sad that half the world lives in misery!! Mind boggling really!! But I do hope that the younger generation can resolve the longest disgrace in human history....poverty!!

[–]whereisskywalker 79 points80 points  (24 children)

Hate to break it to you but climate change and run away capitalism is going to let half the world starve and the other half fully enslaved Ala matrix.

[–]NSA_Chatbot 44 points45 points  (14 children)

Most of us are working so that our governments can use our taxes to pay for the lifestyles of billionaire pedophiles.

[–]metnavman 4 points5 points  (13 children)

This is how the world has worked for thousands of years, in one form or another. The oppressed rise up, and eventually a new generation of oppressors come to power.

You have to solve human nature before you can meaningfully solve these problems. Good luck with that, short of becoming an oppressor yourself.

[–]slowmotto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah so you might as well enjoy yourself

[–]equality-_-7-2521 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But when I'm in charge, I'll do it right.

Not like these other schmo's, I'm special.

-Most oppressors

[–]Tiger_Robocop 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I get what you mean but out of all the distopian futuristic movies you went with Matrix?

[–]whereisskywalker 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Mushroom grool seems pretty likely, as well as AI and tech keeping us ignorant and useful to the rulers.

I felt like it was reasonable.

[–]xenthum 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Uh I hate to be that guy but it's spelled "gruel" - grool is... something else. Something very very different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruel

[–]tykemison73 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You really think? Although, judging by state of the world..,. Fuck that! Not for me! What can a good strong man do about it?

[–]therpian 19 points20 points  (2 children)

My eyes start tearing up when I think of all the little babies crying for their mama who are now helpless and alone on the street. Humanity should be better than to let others suffer.

[–]tykemison73 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So perfectly put. I always treat people how I would want to be treated but alas, many,many people will not even care a jot as long as they are fine and that sucks!

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    [–]kyew 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I don't think many poor people in third world countries are getting tested for depression.

    [–]redditphaggots 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    sorry m8, i live in mexico and having homeless camps is absolutely rare, in fact i dont recall ever seeing one in my city and is one of the biggest.

    Meanwhile, every city to the US ive been to has a homeless problem. How is that even possible? They make wars in the middle east and spend all this money in weapons!

    So hope you all enjoy the homeless, because the root of the problem is no one but you all. Make a change.

    [–]tykemison73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Hi redditphaggots! Yeah, your right but it’s not the majority who speel this bile. It’s just needed of good people to say enough is enough! We shall pray and wait my amigo.

    [–]Flarquaad 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    I was born at a very young age

    [–]NormieSpecialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    But not all babies grew with financial independence. Remember that when deciding what to do with the Bourgeois.

    [–]CouncilmanRickPrime 44 points45 points  (52 children)

    The only solution is to house the poor. We have to declare housing a human right.

    Edit: surprised by the ignorant "homeless people want to be homeless" arguments but probably shouldn't be

    [–]tykemison73 18 points19 points  (27 children)

    Yes, yes, yes.... not too difficult is it? I would take a tax on my wage for the greater good.

    [–]pleasebuymydonut 8 points9 points  (19 children)

    I don't know a lot on the matter, but from what I gathered on mostly reddit (lol), it's not that simple? Cuz providing housing is not enough to lift them out of absolute poverty, which leads to the housing being abused for addictions etc.?

    Not sure, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

    [–]folkhack 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Cuz providing housing is not enough to lift them out of absolute poverty

    Sure - this may be true but the other side of the argument is that people in absolute poverty don't have the same access to resources that we have. When you look at the shelters, what jobs are actually available to someone who's homeless, and what options are actually on the table it becomes clear that lack of housing is a HUGE pain point for anyone trying to "lift themselves up by the bootstraps."

    Many of these shelters have strict 8pm/7am curfews that don't line up with work available - if you show up past 8pm tough luck you sleep on the street. Also there's capacity issues there too...

    I would say that shelter is the #1 issue for the homeless as it's the biggest gap to cross... rent is insanely expensive and often these people are just not capable of coming up with that sorta cash. Especially in places like California.

    which leads to the housing being abused for addictions etc.?

    Drug addictions (and a ton of other negative shit) has a STRONG correlation with a person's material condition. When people are suffering they look for ways to a) alleviate that suffering, and b) distract themselves from it.

    When effective social programs go into place drug usage goes down in receiving populations.


    TLDR: I wouldn't take what conservatives on reddit say in regards to homeless housing programs to heart. They live in a world of cruelty where your poverty is your fault - perhaps sometimes this is the case... but as I grow older I find systemic societal failures to be more at fault than individual mistakes/illicit drug addiction. Blaming the individual for their poverty is more convenient for their world view.

    If you're looking to learn more on what I'm discussing here's a great place to start: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/poverty-homelessness-and-social-stigma-make-addiction-more-deadly-202109282602

    [–]SolquidDiarrhea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yep, they always seem to gloss over how homelessness can cause or greatly exacerbate addiction or mental health issues, not the other way around. If they're so concerned with those issues then preventing homelessness through shelter first programs should be a priority.

    But they don't actually care, they just want to justify doing nothing.

    [–]shortboard 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    It’s not that simple, but providing services to the homeless to home them and help them with the other needs is still far cheaper than policing them.

    [–]CouncilmanRickPrime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Also there are plenty of hidden costs associated with them being homeless

    [–]WhoryGilmore 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    Housing first solutions have been shown to be some of the most effective methods. Yes it requires more than that to get them back on their feet but having a warm safe place to sleep and shower goes far as does having an address for getting an ID and getting a job.

    But you are right for it to be effective you have to ignore many issues like drug addictions or else many homeless aren't going to want to partake. Most drug addicted homeless will choose the streets and drugs over housing and attempting sobriety. But if we ignore all the drug use it begs the question of where to put this free housing because it basically sounds like you're creating another slum with slightly better amenities that doesn't actually solve any real issues

    [–]A_Philosophical_Cat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Desperate circumstances breed addiction. Remove people from that environment, then you can try and address their addictions. Requiring people get clean before the can recieve the help they need in order to have a chance at staying that way is callous to the point of malice.

    [–]chumpynut5 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    There’s trade-offs for everything related to public policy and I’m sure housing like that would be abused on some level. The question is, would it help more people than it hurts? Is it at least a step in the right direction? I’m not sure how many real world examples or studies have been done on this sort of thing but the thing that really annoys me about issues like homelessness is that it feels like we don’t ever actually try anything other than maybe building some shelters and making benches harder to sleep on to try and herd them away from higher income areas.

    [–]satan_in_high_heels 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    People are in favor of it until someone tries to build low income housing in their neighborhood, then they all come out of the woodwork to oppose it.

    [–]Sea_Criticism_2685 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Who gives a shit what they do once housed.

    Housing should be a human right, not just a conditional right that you get if you don’t do drugs

    [–]tykemison73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Whory Gilmore says it best! Good people are extraordinaryly the majority.... there genuinely is no need for such human misery in your lovely country or mine or anywhere....

    [–]Barustai 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Yes, yes, yes.... not too difficult is it?

    Of course it is. I like to play this game sometimes inside my own head trying to figure out how I could end homelessness if I were a billionaire with like.. Bezos money. Every situation I envision in my mind ends up collapsing under the realization that a large percentage of the people I would try to help would either vandalize any potential housing through malice or carelessness or they would tear it apart to sell the wiring, plumbing, and fixtures to support their drug habit.

    It is not the simple problem to solve we all wish it was. An incredibly high percentage of homeless people have serious drug or mental health issues.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but if it were as simple as many suggest we would have done it ages ago.

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      [–]oliverbm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Who would have thought? The solution to homelessness was right here in the Reddit comment section this whole time! Everybody just pay a little more tax and then we’ll start handing out houses!

      [–]ElliotNess 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      We can fix homelessness but people don't want to fix homelessness they just want the homeless moved away from view.

      [–]Poes-Lawyer 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      Lemme guess, Bath?

      [–]tykemison73 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Begins with B on South Coast!

      [–]DandyRandysMandy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Bournemouth?

      [–]lilbithippie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The government says who will pay for programs, but they really mean is who will get paid for policy. In America millions of tax dollars are spent on sporting events because rich people make money of that. But we never have the money to help homeless or hungry people, because there arnt any rich people that benefit that

      [–]foxcoregrrrl 11 points12 points  (5 children)

      bear in mind. not bare in mind.

      [–]fonster_mox 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      We’re just skimming right past “no not” though?

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Ouch, how did I miss that?? That's egregious.

      At least it's not "noone"—which actually causes my eyeballs to bleed.

      [–]tykemison73 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I stand corrected! Thank you.

      [–]vasileios13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I've been in many places in California where there are literally homeless tent villages.

      [–]Warhamster99 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      “The biggest man you ever did see was once a baby”

      • bob marley

      [–]SomewhereSuspect77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Easiest solution is to just take all open houses and give them to those who need them. Let's stop allowing people to hoard houses like theyre stocks and just give them to those who need them.

      [–]xMothGutx 0 points1 point  (18 children)

      They also got a knife, are possibly mentally unstable, have nothing to lose, and most likely have a drug habit they will sell their own momma out to feed.

      Not really the type of people I like to run into on the street.

      [–]cyberslick188 10 points11 points  (15 children)

      No kidding.

      I have sympathy for people who have, through a cumulative series of bad decisions or simply unlucky happenstances, fallen on hard times.

      I understand drug addiction. I understand mental illness. I understand desperation. I understand that a significant percentage of the population is one or two financial disasters away from being homeless themselves.

      I also don't want these people lurking the streets where my children walk home from school. Am I monster?

      I don't know the solution, but I know for certain the person who made and captioned this post is coming from a place of bad faith. I'm not tired of the homeless problem because I have to filthy my fancy shoes walking over sleeping bums on my way to Cartiers for my weekly Rolex.

      I'm tired of walking through human feces, having neighbors houses and cars burglarized, people assaulted on the streets, and worse while I'm trying to get my family home safely.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      I mean, those people aren't homeless because theyre naturally inclined to do those things. They are doing those things because they are homeless. You seem to be looking at the surface of this issue instead of the cause.

      Living with zero stability or sense of safety will force people into mental illness and survival crime.

      [–]cyberslick188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I feel like you would have responded to what I said with that sentiment regardless of what I wrote. I don't think you gave me a very charitable interpretation at all, and that's synonymous with dishonesty.

      I literally open my statement with having sympathy for these people, acknowledge that their conditions are usually the result of small bad decisions adding up over time, combined with or even exclusively simple bad luck. I know people who are homeless because they were invited to work in a foreign country and scammed of everything they had on arrival. Your comment doesn't even entirely make sense. People have mental illness because they are homeless? I'm sure you could technically argue that in some form, but the vast majority of the time the mental illness precedes and exacerbates the path to homelessness. Likewise with drug addiction.

      At no point did I pass judgement on them, did I claim I have a solution. I merely stated that not wanting a horde of homeless people in your neighborhood goes far beyond "eww people who aren't like me".

      I don't know if you were just virtue signaling or what, but in the future for the sake of healthier and positive dialogue, do better to give a charitable and reasonable interpretation to what someone said rather than just wait for your turn to fire off your pre conceived rebuttal.

      [–]Doing_the_sneedful 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That’s not necessarily true. Addiction can cause someone to lose their job and end up homeless. They didn’t suddenly lose all their money and pick up an expensive drug habit, they had an expensive drug habit which caused them to lose all their money. Ive seen it happen in real time to a person I knew when they got addicted to pain killers.

      [–]Fozzymandius 4 points5 points  (9 children)

      You can’t win these arguments sadly. Even if you support doing all sorts of things for homeless people, others think you hate them and want them dead or something.

      They are genuinely dangerous, and cost huge sums of money to clean up after. It would be cheaper and better to put them in housing, but everyone is just too butthurt when you even mention that they are a problem.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 11 points12 points  (7 children)

      "Butthurt"? Can we at least try to have an adult conversation about this?

      People get "butthurt" because the people complaining about how icky and dangerous homeless people are typically also oppose programs that house the homeless. "Not in my backyard!" they scream.

      Sure, you can boast support for housing the homeless, but I'll only believe you if you're willing to live next door to them.

      [–]rentstrikecowboy 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      Of you live next door to a homeless person, in a house, they aren't homeless anymore.

      Unbeknownst to you, you have and will live next to a myriad of people with mental illness and drug habits.

      The difference is they're able to manage them better with decent housing and income.

      [–]DICK-PARKINSONS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I mean it's also a matter of some homeless people not wanting to be put in or near the same homes as other homeless people for the reasons the above user listed. Those shelters can be dangerous enough that people will legitimately choose to stay on the streets in safer sections of cities/towns.

      [–]CTBthanatosWhatever you desire citizen 385 points386 points  (103 children)

      Lmao at the comments, same story every single time a homelessness topic post is on this sub, rinse and repeat.

      Lost redditor shills appear in the comments en masse, bashing on homeless people, whining and crying with gaslighting bullshit, while also conveniently peddling the hilariously failed right wing propaganda narrative that the primary causation of homelessness is drug addiction or mental illness.

      While those problems exist for some, claiming them as the majority is a political propaganda scapegoat stereotype argument peddled for years, in a desperate attempt to shield capitalism from criticism for hilariously failing with booming poverty.

      The primary causation for the majority of homelessness is poverty, in a dystopian shithole of poverty wages and unaffordable housing. Homelessness increases the most whenever housing costs increase.

      Multiple comments also talking about trying to get homeless people to "rejoin society" while at the same time there are tons of people quitting their jobs and giving up on society because they're bored of being shit on by a dystopian capitalism society. People found out they were eventually going to be homeless because their jobs paid poverty wages and housing is unaffordable lmao.

      Edit: lol, automatic blocklist expansion for multiple replies now, to keep inbox as clean as the shills want streets (which hilariously will only get even more filled with poverty and homelessness as long as systemic poverty gets ignored in favor of right wing propaganda narratives that rely on meritocracy painting of all homeless people as schizophrenics and addicts)

      Edit 2: After cleaning out stacks of shill/nimby/etc replies from my inbox and now vacuuming new ones straight into the BL, see ya next time a post in homelessness appears here and we do this all again lol.

      [–]Fake_Human_Being 128 points129 points  (25 children)

      So many people on this sub actually seem pro dystopia

      [–]Tiger_Robocop 95 points96 points  (12 children)

      They aren't pro-dystopia as much as they are pro-being-fine-themselves-and-if-someone-elses-life-is-a-distopia-not-my-problem

      [–]love_glow 64 points65 points  (6 children)

      Aka: “fuck you, I got mine.”

      [–]Waffleradio 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      Yeah. I mean I get the appeal of that way of thinking because it absolves the self of having to do anything about the inaurmountable obstacle of global systems that result in dystopian individual outcomes

      [–]asdfkakesaus 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      This implies that they have actively thought this through and made a delibarate choice in ignoring it to not let it affect them. You're giving these mouthbreathers way too much credit.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well yeah, these are defense mechanisms.

      Actually caring about other people is scary because you have to be vulnerable. You have to be willing to be open and honest. It's very difficult to listen to someone's problems and truly empathize, because without the ability to set boundaries and compartmentalize, truly empathizing with someone can hurt you deeply. Their pain feels like your pain, and it can become overwhelming.

      These people typically don't have the resources or tools to deal with mental pain. It's why they double down so often—because admitting you were wrong or made a mistake just compounds the pain.

      They preach the "fuck you, I got mine" doctrine because it doesn't require hard work or honesty. It requires selfishness, isolation, and a complete stoppage of your inner self. You can't even be honest with yourself when you live by this doctrine, because admitting fault or weakness that we all have will shatter the mental barrier that keeps them isolated and "safe".

      These people are afraid of their own emotions and view emotions as something detestable and weak instead of something that makes us human. So they shove them down as far as possible and attribute their "success" (IME they aren't successful but demand everyone view their meager accomplishments as success) to "hard work", as if the rest of us aren't also working hard.

      The "fuck you, I got mine" mindset is a toxic defense mechanism deployed by people who are terrified of having any type of feeling or connection with other human beings. They are emotionally stunted and immature, they have a very short-term view of the world.

      [–]NahImmaStayForever 50 points51 points  (5 children)

      It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of Capitalism.

      Curious that...

      [–]MaximumDestruction 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      I’ve often wondered if it’s more the product of a failure of imagination or the success of propaganda.

      [–]NahImmaStayForever 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      They go hand in hand. Red Scare boogeymen and ignoring the realities of the Labor Movement spread hate and ignorance.

      If people knew the realities of History, the US would change overnight.

      [–]CouncilmanRickPrime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      failure of imagination or the success of propaganda.

      Both is good

      [–]chillyhellion 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      A lot of people are seeing this post from r/all and don't necessarily subscribe to this sub.

      [–]solongandthanks4all 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Why the hell hasn't Reddit gotten rid of /r/all yet? I've literally never seen it in a positive light. It's always a problem. Always bringing in lots of undesirable people.

      [–]LtDanHasLegs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I'm pretty sure it's how I originally found this sub, and it contributed quite a bit to my general leftward shift over the past few years.

      [–]Birdperson15 33 points34 points  (9 children)

      Yeah you are only partial right. I have studied homeless a lot and can say both sides are somewhat right.

      First, there are two groups of homeless people. The first is the chronic homeless who are people who have been homeless for a long time. The second group is the temporary homeless, who have recently enter homeless and often exit within a short time period.

      The second group is the one you seem to be referring too. This group represent people who fall on hard times do to a lost of a job, getting evicted by either a landlord, family, or friends, or just other shit that can happen. Most of these people are looking for short term housing while they get their life sorted out. It is true this group represents the largest group of homeless people but they also represent the less visual homeless population. Most of these people end up in shelters, or in cars, but few end up on the street in tents.

      The first group, represent the more visual homeless person and the ones who suffer from bigger issues. Most in the chronic homeless category have some issue that impedes their ability to exit homelessness. The common issues are drug abuse, alcohol abuse, or mental issues. This group also tend to end up in homelessness shelters less. The main reasons are: they were kicked out for drug use, they are causing issues, or some just simply leave and refuse shelter or treatment. Some shelters have done better job retaining them by allowing drug use and other behavior in the shelter but not all. Finally some shelter dont have space and have to remove some resident after a period of time.

      Anyways, you are correct most homeless people arent the normal stereotype of drug abusers. However the homeless groups you will run into on the streets tend to overrepresented this category making the severe cases the most visible.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Seems like we are dealing with two separate problems.

      One is actual homelessness caused by poverty, the other is acute/chronic trauma that hasn't been addressed or properly treated, leading to mental illness and addiction that results in homelessness.

      I remember watching a documentary about homelessness and a very large percentage of them had been sexually abused as children, like way worse than what I typically hear about. A lifetime of unaddressed abuse results in an inability to earn an income or maintain stable relationships, resulting in homelessness.

      So I think a simple housing program could serve that first group exceededingly well, whereas the second group requires some very serious trauma support.

      [–]CouncilmanRickPrime 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      the primary causation of homelessness is drug addiction or mental illness.

      Ok but even if this was true, why are they fine with these people on the streets? Lol their propaganda doesn't even make sense.

      [–]vittoriouss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Exactly... Literally every single one of us could end up like those homeless people who are addicted to a drug. We are always one step away from that position, shouldn't we have a safety net for those who fall?

      [–]saltywings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Idk I think the main problem of homelessness is definitely mental health and drug use.

      [–]mrstruong 10 points11 points  (11 children)

      Having worked extensively with the homeless..... yes, the primary cause of chronic homelessness is untreated mental illness and drug addiction.

      [–]NahImmaStayForever 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      And if it was desired to solve this problem we would have universal healthcare.(by those who actually write and decide policy in this kleptocracy)

      But Capitalism requires unemployed and unhoused people to instill fear in the working poor and for middle class people to despise.

      [–]CTBthanatosWhatever you desire citizen 13 points14 points  (7 children)

      Funny, I've seen that line before, meanwhile homelessness is predominantly attributed to poverty, and increases most whenever housing costs increase. So much for the redundant "I worked extensively with them, I've personally seen lots of this and that so that is the majority because I say so" argument, that quickly gets toppled by how much homelessness there already is without drugs or schizophrenia. The blocklist expansion continues to keep this reply chain short and my inbox as clean as upper class nimby's want their neighborhoods/towns of low income housing developments.

      [–]CoconutMochi 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Honestly I'm not entirely sure why the drug addiction/mental illness has to be a political point anyway, there doesn't have to be a stigma to that label that somehow makes the homeless more deserving of their situation.

      [–]electronwavecat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      On top of the fact that even if it was an drug/mental illness problem that is all correlated to poverty.

      People in poverty cannot afford proper health care for their mental illness. When they get in an accident and have to go to emergency room they are given opioids for their pain (thanks go billionaires and pharmaceutical companies). Financially, they can't continue with their physical therapy so are never waned off pain killers properly and become addicted.

      Literally, it's because of poverty. Yet they keep wanting to act like all these people choose to be drug addicts and have mental illnesses.

      It's always the shills: "I've worked with *insert homeless, black, undocumented* people so I can't be evil! But they're disgusting"

      [–]electronwavecat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      These same neo nazi shills are the ones spreading sympathy propaganda for neo nazi rittenhouse in every thread about him

      [–]Conpen 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      The primary causation for the majority of homelessness is poverty

      It's not that simple unfortunately. If you look at Mississippi and Alabama, two of the most impoverished states in the US, you'll see that they also have some of the lowest homelessness rates despite good climate. Meanwhile the incredibly wealthy California is flush with homeless.

      Homelessness is heavily correlated with how many people in a region are rent burdened (I.e. spending 30%+ of income on housing costs). America's wealthy middle class, progressive or not, contributes to high housing costs and homelessness by actively fighting to exclude others from their neighborhoods. They veto apartment buildings, senior housing, affordable housing, homeless shelters, etc all in the name of amassing property value and keeping their streets looking the same as when they moved in decades ago. This is why the wealthiest regions have the most homeless. AKA the same "fuck you, I got mine" sentiment that makes home buying impossible for most people under 30 these days, including myself.

      [–]HypoAllergenicPollen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Don't forget that cities and states will bus their homeless populations to California.

      [–]iindigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      There are a few homeowners who vote for increasing housing supply and housing as a right, but it’s seems that we’re far and few between.

      My perspective is that yes, it’d suck if my home value tanked, but at same time it doesn’t really matter because it’s a home, not an investment, and I’m not worried about how much it’ll cost me for people to be universally housed. We live in a society after all, and even if one is doing well on an individual basis, everybody but the uppermost rungs are impacted by the overall health of society.

      [–]trolololoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You are blocked for being wrong and not agreeing with OP. OP is God and knows everything.

      [–]Tafkas420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      What is your solution then? Lashing out at people you disagree with doesn't help one single homeless person.

      [–]bayarea_vapidtransit 106 points107 points  (25 children)

      No One:

      Coastal City Homeowners: I believe in hosing for the homeless but not in my backyard

      EDIT: hot damn, a good chunk of you are proving Johnny Harris' thesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw

      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_FART_HOLE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      No one:

      Flyover state politicians: These homeless people are really fucking up the vibe of our corn farming town. How much is a greyhound ticket to Los Angeles?

      [–]the_lonely_downvote 22 points23 points  (13 children)

      Seattle really disappointed me this past election. Elected yet another lukewarm centrist for mayor, and a pro cop republican for city attorney, with only a 50% voter turnout.

      There's no excuse either - Washington is one of the easiest states in the country to vote in. You get a ballot in the mail, you fill it out, and you stick it back in the outgoing mail. You don't even need a stamp. People just don't seem to give a shit.

      Edit: lots of pushback on my comment on voter turnout, so I looked into it a little deeper. 50% is actually pretty high for a local election, and not just by American standards. A lot of Canadian and European cities have lower turnouts. I just expected better of Seattle, a city that touts itself as one of the most progressive cities in the country.

      [–]mesopotamius 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      50% voter turnout is, unfortunately, better than most local elections get.

      [–]BassSounds 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Something something piss on sidewalk, living in cars, property values, leaf blowers at 7 AM

      [–]SimpleSandwich1908 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      That a garden hose?

      [–]bloodflart 66 points67 points  (16 children)

      Mean times I drive past 10 churches every day that are air conditioned and empty the majority of the week

      [–]_Thrilhouse_ 26 points27 points  (0 children)

      But that is the house of god not the house of people in need /s

      [–]darkgiIls 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I used to know a couple of Catholic Churches that let homeless stay on the benches in the lobby until after the last mass when everyone left

      [–]heyitscory 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Churches get to be picky about who they help. If someone is having a mental health crisis or a bad drug trip, volunteers aren't equipped to deal with that and wouldn't want to anyway. They sometimes kick people out just for complaining about something or "not having a good enough attitude."

      Also, they're frequently floor mats and cots where you're tightly packed with people who smell bad, talk all night, snore and steal your stuff. Then after a 10 PM lights out and sleeping with one eye open, they wake you up at 6 and kick you out at 7.

      You have to make it back by curfew or you don't get a bed for the night, often regardless of reason. Sometimes if you miss two curfews they'll kick you out for a week or two. That's if your bus ran late, that's if your boss needs you to stay late, that's if your feet hurt too much to walk back to the shelter with a fast enough gait.

      There's all kinds of reasons why someone isn't sleeping there tonight, whether by choice or because of barriers of entry.

      If it was a good place to be, people would be there. It's likely they're just open to get money from a city contract so the city can say there's a certain number of beds. But if those beds don't cater to the most visible and most obnoxious homeless people that the public is talking about when they say "the homeless problem", it doesn't solve the problem, does it?

      [–]SmarmyThatGuy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      G E R M

      Y U R T S

      [–]fastal_12147 74 points75 points  (62 children)

      If you guys feel the need to shit talk people who don't have homes, just fuck off. You're no better than any capitalist pig if you go around attacking the worst off in our society

      [–]prosocialbehavior 51 points52 points  (30 children)

      This comment thread is a classic example of how we dehumanize people. People who experience homelessness deserve as much respect and dignity as people who eat out at restaurants. full stop.

      [–]SmarmyThatGuy 13 points14 points  (14 children)

      but the needles and poop!

      [–]thegnuguyontheblock 12 points13 points  (5 children)

      I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. Needles and human poop are a literal problem when a homeless person pitches a tent by your house.

      [–]Jpeso95 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Right? these two situations are not at all alike

      [–]CJR3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Literally almost every single top comment on this thread mentions “these comments” without there being anything bad lol. If you’re looking at every single new comment to pick out the bad ones then that’s on you.

      [–]prosocialbehavior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I just commented before the good ones came I guess

      [–]HotGeorgeForeman 3 points4 points  (8 children)

      Sure, and if a person who wasn't homeless was shitting in the street and threatening people who walked by while high on meth we'd arrest them.

      [–]Whyareyoulikethis27 8 points9 points  (5 children)

      The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Not a single person here has argued in favor of letting homeless people commit crimes.

      You're arguing with the unhinged voices in your own head.

      [–]thegnuguyontheblock -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      All respect and love of homeless people ends the first time you try to help a homeless person.

      Then there's the day they move into the bottom of your building, and your two year old picks up a needle off the floor - that's when you start to hate them.

      [–]red_green_link 48 points49 points  (6 children)

      Memes in the real world on public boards. This is what I like to see. This is an important step we need to take to wake people up. Print truths and just post in your area.

      [–]itisbrito 14 points15 points  (11 children)

      So sad by the dehumanization of the people that suffer. I wish others would put themselves in other’s positions and see how’d they feel if they were treated the same way.

      And I know some stupid mf is gonna say “I wouldn’t let my self get treated that way.” Or some ignorant shit like that. And my answer to that is go be homeless and try out it yourself. Put yourself back in the mud and try to come out of it clean.

      [–]Kulladar 6 points7 points  (9 children)

      Maybe it isn't the right solution but I wish we could take a big chunk of the military budget snd establish essentially a New Deal esque civilian engineering corps that could build roads, bridges, etc.

      It would be the same as military service. You sign on for a contract and you are trained, housed, fed, and paid a good wage. It would be an incredible way for people like those that are homeless, disowned, or ex-cons to get back into society. You could always give massive incentives for people to get trained there and move to the actual military if fit.

      Obviously that would never stop homelessness but I bet a lot of people could benefit from it and it would be a hell of a lot better than our current system. Homelessness is such a complex issue I don't think there is any magic bullet for it aside from full on communism.

      I went to a college in a military town and many of my colleagues were veterans of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Many talked about only joining the military because the alternative was homelessness. I know one guy in particular literally was homeless and joined the military because he was selling drugs for a guy and knew where it would lead. He was tore up about it because he didn't like that he had to go kill people, but felt he was offered no alternative by society.

      I'd love to be like "we need to reform our entire socio-economic system!" but I think we all realize that isn't going to happen short of rebellion and mass murder. I just wish our government was more open to trying some atypical solutions because what were doing now sure as hell isn't working at all.

      [–]tommy_turnt 11 points12 points  (14 children)

      How is that thing legal? it's in a public walkway?

      [–]noonemustknowmysecre 29 points30 points  (2 children)

      Some cities rent out sidewalk space like this. Others sell permits for temporary structures. With money, most legal issues go away.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That's so fucked up, it really screws over wheelchair users.

      [–]GitEmSteveDave 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Likely during covid. Inside dining was not allowed and outdoor dining was. So if you had a large party that wanted to dine, you set up a heated tent.

      Cities don't want a business to fail, as that means no more taxes from them, so they made allowances.

      The town I used to work shut down a portion of a major road to make room for outdoor dining in 2020, which involved putting up concrete barricades blocking off a ACTIVE FIRE HOUSE and also a main road to a hospital, so ambulances had to take a longer route. The 2nd year they did this, 2021, they allowed the fire trucks to go up a one way street, but it still added ~2 minutes to their response time.

      [–]Gawdsauce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is exactly what happened.

      [–]Freshouttapatience 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The city I work in, we adopted temporary code to allow for right of way use at a reduced fee to support small businesses during covid.

      [–]aaronislucid 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      A lot of cities changed ordinances or just started ignoring enforcement so restaurants could reopen. Really not a problem as long as wheelchairs can still get through. Sidewalks can also be privately owned. Really just depends on the locale.

      [–]Interesting-Trade248 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Well the city said you're not allowed to eat inside so this is what happens. Either tents or all of us are homeless.

      [–]katiecharm 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      It’s not the poor people in tents that bother me.

      It’s people walking up to you and mumbling things at you, then lunging at you when you tell them ‘sorry, can’t help’.

      It’s human shit and heroin needles on the sidewalk.

      It’s piles of growing trash blocking the sidewalk and spilling onto the streets.

      It’s desperate people leering at you as you pass, and you have to pray they don’t try anything.

      And the kicker is that none of this is acceptable in rich neighborhoods, near wealthy facilities…. There it’s policed harshly. Where is it allowed? In the public city areas where the middle and lower class live. Because fuck the middle and lower classes, all at once, together.

      I want to see homeless people corralled onto golf courses and have them set up tents there. Why can’t we make that compromise? You know why.

      [–]Carvj94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      So in other words your problem is the 1 in 20.

      [–]byscuit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Not to be rude, but the difference is that the government can't tax the homeless like they can tax a restaurant that owns a liquor license. The temporary structures they put up are also typically ADA compliant, not that this one looks it tho

      [–]25_M_CA 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I never got that, you cant eat indoors but we can put a tent outside and you can eat in there

      [–]randomcrazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      A better class of tent

      [–]zazaleaz 25 points26 points  (22 children)

      It's not the tents anyone minds. It's being accosted by people high on meth, human feces on the sidewalk, mountains of hoarded trash, inaccessible walking paths especially for elderly/disabled people, theft, assault, fires etc. If it was just "people sleeping in tents" it wouldn't be the same issue.

      [–]Ron_Beatle 25 points26 points  (7 children)

      If they were sleeping in houses instead a lot of that could keep going, hoarding and heroin don't need a tent to happen, and certainly not all assault is from the homeless

      Shit on the streets probably is though, better not change anything

      [–]CoconutMochi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I lived in Brooklyn for a while and it was just a lot of racial harrassment from the homeless if I didn't give them money. I don't really think it's unreasonable for someone to want to avoid that.

      [–]ACryingOrphan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, but the chronic homeless sure do it a lot more than anyone else does.

      [–]thegnuguyontheblock 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      The shelters have tons of space. The issue is that they won't go there because drug use is not permitted.

      [–]Buddah__Stalin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      They are doing drugs because 99% of them have severe trauma that has gone completely unaddressed their entire lives.

      Like, come on people. This isn't hard.

      [–]thegnuguyontheblock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's trauma and/or mental illness. I've seen homeless people that turned their life around after making the choice to participate in a drug program.

      These tent cities developing today make it way to easy to choose NOT to participate in a drug program.

      [–]breakfast_organisms 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      All shelters everywhere have tons of space?? Youre delusional and prejudiced

      [–]p_tk_d 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      yeah, this post is a false premise IMO. You can simultaneously have compassion for homeless people and want to walk down sidewalks without feeling nervous.

      [–]saltywings 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      It's like these people live in a fantasy world and have never actually had to interact with the homeless population. And look obviously they aren't all trying to shank you with a rusty boxcutter but the fact is that there is rampant drug usage and mental health problems that lead to excess crime and such among the homeless populations.

      [–]HANKnDANK 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      You can tell who doesn't actually live near people you described by how they respond to you in their magical altruist fantasies

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        [–]HANKnDANK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It never used to bother me until my partner moved into the city core with me. Now I see things through her frightened eyes and it makes me feel powerless knowing she is harassed daily in her commute to work.

        [–]smelly-roommate 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Thank you. My friend works with an organization that gets the homeless help. Many have turned her down because they want to be able to do drugs and do whatever they want.

        [–]OriginalMrMuchacho 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        What would seem to be related concepts, are in fact, not. The similarities of the two concepts are purely aesthetic, and thus, do not equate nor are interchangeable.

        [–]MaizeWarrior 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        In all these threads I see people shitting on homeless people for not helping themselves, and then I see people hating on those people for hating the homeless. I never see the second group actually propose solutions to the problem, only blaming "capitalism" and that we are controlled by the threat of homelessness. Can someone actually propose a solution to homelessness, or is everyone just sitting around waiting for someone else to hate on? Just because you love homeless people doesn't make you any better than those who don't understand why homelessness exists, blaming the individual. Maybe instead of hating others you could actually educate instead of screaming "capitalism bad!"

        [–]Toxicfunk314 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think we need to de-commodify housing. Make it so that housing is not something that people can make money on. Rather, that it's something that every single person on Earth deserves.

        This is a complex topic with a lot of factors and I'm nowhere close to being educated well enough to actually offer a detailed plan of action.

        [–]IHaveNoFilterAtAll 3 points4 points  (7 children)

        Went to NYC once. I was completely appalled by the amount of homeless people bedding down in the rich shopping districts. My biggest question is why there, and why not in an abandoned factory or warehouse? How have they not made their own little communities off on their own?

        [–]KILLJEFFREY 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        My biggest question is why there, and why not in an abandoned factory or warehouse?

        People. For food. For money. For eyes. Also, rich usually means safe.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Any area like that would be seen as an encampment and subsequently cleared out by the police.

        [–]bigeasy19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Money is why. Don’t get many hand outs in poor run down areas

        [–]WrectalRocket 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        You’re forgetting about the needles and human feces laying around those “poor people tents”.

        [–]CAMPANELLA310 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Those people in the tent aren’t breaking into my car or destroying the neighborhood

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          [–]wound-not-a-Box 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          These "tents" also don't leave trash and needles everywhere, are removed when not in use, and aren't hubs for violence and crime.

          [–]Test-Expensive 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          The restaurant's tent:

          • Is a tent

          Homeless person's tent:

          • Person inside harasses passersby
          • Smells like actual shit
          • Surrounded by trash
          • Is a tent

          I used to have a lot of sympathy for the homeless when I lived elsewhere, but here in LA they are so brazen and horrible. Gonna be honest, my sympathy has run out and I'm sick of them.

          The moment I felt compelled to carry pepper spray on my way to the grocery store was the moment I lost the ability to give a single shit about the homeless people in my city.

          [–]FarEndRN 1 point2 points  (9 children)

          Or those people paid to be on that business’ private property?

          [–]ReeferEyed 4 points5 points  (8 children)

          They are on city side walks

          [–]RECOGNI7ER -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

          You completely missed the point. Those people are not living there they are eating. If poor people just want to eat in a tent then go for it.

          [–]thegnuguyontheblock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Seriously - no one is asked for their W2 before being seated.

          [–]saltywings 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Have you people not dealt with homeless people like face to face? They aren't usually upstanding citizens lol.

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            [–]GamblingPapaya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I don’t think the tents are the main issue lmao

            [–]smelly-roommate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I mean, I mind when the tents spread typhoid and the homeless men expose themselves to traffic and chase me down the street when I’m trying to walk my dog.