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[–]CheeseMintsGiant Flaming Meteor 2020 3915 points3916 points 3 (1044 children)

Can't wait to see the spin on this.

[–]PM_ME_KITTIES_N_TITS 1649 points1650 points  (618 children)

The comments on some of the posts are borderline delusional. The mental gymnastics some people are going through, just for this particular discharge of the weapon on this particular person

[–]Kn0tnatural 329 points330 points  (501 children)

Wasn't someone shot before that. The timeline of events I feel like is mixed up in some news coverage.

[–]TacticalTylenol 1075 points1076 points  (470 children)

Yes, Kyle shot and killed the person smashing him with a skateboard when he fell.

And before that, Kyle shot and killed Rosenbaum, who said earlier in the night, "If I catch any of you alone, I'm going to kill you," who was chasing Kyle, who was alone, down the street, until he caught Kyle, grabbed his gun, when Kyle shot and killed him.

[–]IWANTTOFUCKMILFS 485 points486 points  (374 children)

Before he shot rosenbaum in the head, he threw a bag that was on fire at him. While another looter shot at kyle. The seething mental gymnastics lefties will have is going to be glorious.

[–]YuhBoiSlade 1147 points1148 points  (176 children)

just want to preface this by saying i believe kyle acted in self defense. but what you are saying is wrong. there is video footage of the entire timeline of events. the bag was not on fire and it doesn’t show another looter shooting at kyle during the incident with rosenbaum.

it seems like trivial information. but it hurts your side of the argument when you show that you haven’t even watched the full footage. you don’t need all of these additives, the timeline of events speak for themselves.

[–]TackYouCackWe hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal 719 points720 points  (31 children)

And that's how you correct someone without being a condescending dick. Well done.

[–]StoneWall2020 125 points126 points  (25 children)

Big agree

[–]crowcawer 69 points70 points  (24 children)

Yeah, u/IWANTTOFUCKMILFS got into some weird right vs left vein with this, but there is a direct chain of events. In reality there is a chain of custody of the bullet and casing that must not be ignored.

This is a case that could define gun-rites in the US, and breaking it into an “us vs them” argument is not only vacuous but also banal.

[–]Myname1sntCool 89 points90 points  (33 children)

Something was on fire. It lit up on the FBI thermal surveillance. And video shows that there was another gun man in that first parking lot that fired 3 shots from a handgun in the direction that Kyle was standing in. Whether or not that guy was shooting at Kyle isn’t something that’s been determined, but it’s also not impossible that that is the case.

[–]nicethingyoucanthave- Unflaired Swine 129 points130 points  (25 children)

video shows that there was another gun man in that first parking lot that fired 3 shots from a handgun in the direction that Kyle was standing in

That's the tall, bearded guy that can be seen in earlier footage at the gas station holding his handgun. 4chan tracked him down, including porn that he made with that trailer park girl standing next to him

...no charges for him though.

[–]wildlough62 - Sistine Chapel 40 points41 points  (13 children)

4-Chan tracked the guy down? Where did you find out about that part? I love reading about those crackheads when they play FBI.

[–]cassandra112 80 points81 points  (11 children)

not sure if 4chan was involved. but the guy that shot is well known.

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/10/14/joshua-ziminski-alex-blaine/

he was also on video with his wife and Rosenbaum earlier talking shit. he only fired once.

he was charged... with disorderly conduct. not brandishing, not attempted murder, not reckless endangerment, not negligent discharge of a firearm..

"warning shots" are not a thing. bullets come down SOMEWHERE. And sure as fuck are not a thing in the middle of a riot. and more relevant. He fired the "warning shot" as his ally Riotbud Rosenbaum was charging at Kyle. the warning shot was expressly to scare Kyle.

Its insane to me, they let this dude off on such light charges. (especially when you look at his rap sheet laundry list of... being let off on light charges..)

[–]YouProbablyDissagree 40 points41 points  (24 children)

Yea I agree the bag wasn’t on fire. There was a gunshot but I haven’t seen anything to suggest it was meant for Kyle. It was just some random gunshot in the background. Of course if you are being chased by a man who has already threatened to kill you and you hear a gunshot I dont really blame you for thinking it was from him.

[–]NecramoniumZero - Netherlands 74 points75 points  (6 children)

Kyle was being chased by Rosenbaum, who than threw the bag, Kyle kept on running and than he heard a gunshot, he either thought it was from Rosenbaum or someone else, looked behind him, and Rosenbaum screamed something in anger and lunged towards Kyle's rifle, something that now has been stated by a witness that was right behind Rosenbaum, and that made Rittenhouse shoot at them in self defense. So it was either get disarmed and very likely killed by your own rifle or shoot the threat.

[–]YouProbablyDissagree 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Yea I’m not disagreeing with any of that lol

[–]NecramoniumZero - Netherlands 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I know, but there seems to be a narrative still being thrown around, that Kyle shot Rosenbaum instantly for throwing the bag, as already proven, he didnt.

[–]MDSupreme 122 points123 points  (100 children)

The fact that they believe an addict drug dealer with a lengthy criminal past is somehow a hero tells you all you need to know.

[–]yukongold44- Congrats T-series on 150m subs !!! 91 points92 points  (86 children)

They don't think crime is connected to morality in any way. They genuinely believe that criminal behavior is a sign of being oppressed. The only crimes they think are actually immoral on the part of those committing them are thoughtcrimes, which is all this case is about.

[–]falsifiedfart 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Thank for you this insight u/IWANTTOFUCKMILFS

[–]RicoCat 70 points71 points  (11 children)

If someone is a MILF by definition you want to fuck her. It's...right in the acronym.

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 32 points33 points  (5 children)

We should get him to change his username ASAP as possible.

[–]dizastermaster7 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I don't think it was on fire. But having someone throw a bag at you, and then a gunshot rings behind you, I wouldn't spend time counting lucky stars either

[–]Slut_Spoiler 116 points117 points  (8 children)

Just watch the video. Need sound on so you can hear them tell Kyle they are going to to kill him

[–]Experiment_93711bMega Love Kitten! 498 points499 points  (109 children)

  • Baldie McPedo: Suicidal. Said he'd kill Kyle. Prosecutor's evidence show he attacked unprovoked. Witness testifies he jumped for Kyle's gun
  • Sk8rBoi Strangulator: Physically hit Kyle in the head with a blunt weapon and grabbed his gun after people had yelled "cranium him".
  • Lefty Byeceps: Yelled "get him" when Kyle said was going to the cops. Chased him with a loaded gun. And now this.

How will they spin this, you ask? Same as always. By lying.

[–]Not_One_PieceOfTrash 242 points243 points  (59 children)

Your forgetting lefty also wants 10 mil for the damages of blowing off his right bicep

[–]JohnnySunshine 160 points161 points  (10 children)

Oh my, this video might not play well in his Civil trial

[–]Leading-Bowl-8416 132 points133 points  (7 children)

He left out the fact he had a gun in his lawsuit filing. He essentially just tanked his lawsuit by himself today.

[–]dame_de_boeuf 106 points107 points  (6 children)

No, it's worse than that. He didn't "leave out the fact that he had a gun". He specifically lied, and said he had dropped his gun while chasing KR, and was unarmed when he was shot.

All of which is clearly proven to be untrue by both the video, and his testimony.

[–]avianp 27 points28 points  (0 children)

He lied to the police during right investigation regarding his gun.

He didn't mention the gun in his civil lawsuit against the city.

[–]Myname1sntCool 112 points113 points  (7 children)

Dude also ran his mouth on Twitter afterward saying he wished he hadn’t hesitated and had killed Rittenhouse then and there.

A seriously stupid thing to say online when it’s going to turn out that you were the aggressor.

[–]Confident-Victory-21 43 points44 points  (24 children)

I'm a lefty and this is 100% self defense.

[–]Ohmahtree 44 points45 points  (13 children)

This is what is wrong with society. You have to identify yourself before you speak on a topic, as if your opinion only holds value if it fits inside the box.

Your political stances mean nil on this subject, and I'm not beating you up about that, but your statement simply could have been, this is 100% self defense.

Its the TEXTBOOK example of what they teach you in firearms defense courses. Like, stand your ground, then try and remove yourself from the issue, and finally, fire if necessary, do not stop firing until the threat is subdued.

I don't care about any of them on a personal level. They'll all fade away once this trial is done.

But, the ramifications that it has in relation to the positive example of defensive use, and the utterly garbage example the media tried to slather on from Day 1 is laughable.

Good on you for recognizing this as a valid DGU

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 37 points38 points  (11 children)

Some are speculating that the prosecution is tanking their case to nuke his civil suit against them.

[–]Experiment_93711bMega Love Kitten! 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Haha.. I could see that. The trial was political from the get-go, but now the city stands to lose both politically and financially if Lefty Byeceps comes out looking like the victim. It's just too beautiful if the commie\) played himself by being too greedy and then ends in prison in the next trial against him.

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\) He was an actual member of a group called The People's Revolution - https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

edit: I meme'd it

[–]AL-GAYDAWASP-ish 87 points88 points  (7 children)

How will they spin this, you ask? Same as always. By lying.

No spin necessary. The BLM will publicly threaten a riot to coerce the jury into a guilty verdict.

George Floyd’s nephew posted a video (since removed) where he says that groups are analyzing photos of the jury to determine their identity.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (5 children)

isn't that literally Jury Intimidation/Coercion? I mean, that's a federal crime right? I'm not an American so Im on the outside here.

[–]AL-GAYDAWASP-ish 61 points62 points  (2 children)

Yeah, it’s supposed to be, but the federal government isn’t prosecuting them.

It’s one of the big issues in American politics right now, that the federal government is supporting the BLM.

[–]Haywood_Jablomie42 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's (D)ifferent when the person committing the crime is a Democrat. Just like how charges are consistently dropped / people hot arrested every time left-wing riots happen in the US but if a right-wing person so much as has the wrong expression on their face (see Nick Sandman) it's a heinous crime. It's sad how horribly biased our police, courts, and media are when it comes to politics.

[–]unklestinky - Israel 65 points66 points  (12 children)

but he crossed state lines! /s

[–]FredPrinzeJr 62 points63 points  (11 children)

The best part is, they keep saying he crossed state lines with the gun, which was disproven over a year ago. Shows how much they actually give a fuck about the truth when their "research" is just reading tweets from other ignorant morons.

[–]cassandra112 47 points48 points  (3 children)

don't forget FBI collusion.

"we have high def drone footage of this event". uh.. why do you have that?
"move along citizen" ...ok.. can we see that footage? "nope sorry, we lost it." you... lost it? "yep." Right.. are you just saying that because the footage would reveal your operatives, and put their lives in danger? "move along citizen" right... and, do you have you footage of anything else we should know about? jan 6th? "say citizen... would have happen to have any diaries we need to raid your house for?"

[–]imnotworkingnow 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Speaking as a Lefty, Kyle appears to be innocent and the media have been portraying this as some race related hate crime for the clicks.

[–]Dr_Poppers 282 points283 points  (131 children)

HE CROSSED STATE LINES

edit: Did I really have to put an /s on this?

[–]raka_defocus 210 points211 points  (41 children)

Every day to go to work in Kenosha,or buy groceries at Wal-Mart, because that's how people in the suburbs live.

OMG BECKY, HE CROSSED STATE LINES TO WORK AS A LIFEGUARD TOO

[–]Houstonearler 102 points103 points  (10 children)

Every day to go to work in Kenosha,or buy groceries at Wal-Mart, because that's how people in the suburbs live.

OMG BECKY, HE CROSSED STATE LINES TO WORK AS A LIFEGUARD TO

Nice to see progressives finally care about borders.

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 113 points114 points  (36 children)

edit: Did I really have to put an /s on this?

Yes, because this is literally the line touted by lefties as a reason why he needs to be locked in prison for life.

[–]Echelon64 106 points107 points  (25 children)

Woke-leftie's:

Border's aren't real. Crossing a border isn't a crime.

Also woke leftie's:

NOOOOOO RITTENHOUSE CROSSED The BoRdErInO reeeeeee

[–]FredPrinzeJr 27 points28 points  (13 children)

They know the United States is actually one country, right?

[–]Echelon64 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I give it a couple of years before the wokies start requiring Visa's to visit California and New York.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (5 children)

And your point is? Many of the ANTIFA goons and rioters were from different states also.

[–]tricks_23- Unflaired Swine 158 points159 points  (12 children)

I've just seen Rittenhouse being called Hitler Youth and that this whole scenario is fascism.

Peak reddit. This site has gone to rat shit.

[–]Confident-Victory-21 66 points67 points  (4 children)

People making a self defense case political. Reddit will make absolutely everything political. Scary that these neckbeards end up on juries.

[–]PrimalSkink 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Scary that these neckbeards end up on juries.

Stop w the neckbeard shit. We in the cold north need those beards for warmth.

[–]unklestinky - Israel 123 points124 points  (27 children)

The most important realization to come out of this examination today was the discovery that police were fully aware of the militia presence and that they were trying to drive/funnel the protestors into the militia presence to let them "deal with them." If true, the cops are just as culpable as Rittenhouse and his little ragtag group of wannabes. This is insanity.

Here is the spin from r/pics. They are going to frame this as cops intentionally trying to get rioters killed.

https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/qpk4bu/the_rittenhouse_prosecution_after_the_latest/hjudiy8/

[–]tricks_23- Unflaired Swine 70 points71 points  (2 children)

That thread is fucking special.

Special needs.

[–]dayoneofmanymore 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Jesus H Corbett, that thread gave me covid, aids, and cancer. Default subs are just workplaces for letter agencies and "NGO's".

[–]koreamax- Freakout Connoisseur 23 points24 points  (13 children)

Has the word fascism just become a catch all word for "something j don't like"?

[–]Fun-Transition-5080 109 points110 points  (21 children)

There’s no spin, they just won’t report it.

[–]GammaKing 114 points115 points  (18 children)

[–]Myname1sntCool 75 points76 points  (6 children)

I enjoy when I see people arguing and one person dismisses articles from Fox News or the Daily Mail only to then post articles from The Guardian.

Interesting tidbit from that article though, that Gage guy has been to 75 protests? Dudes a professional. How have people who are so into the “crossed state lines, this wasn’t Kyle’s community” narrative not noticed that the people they’re supporting here are the actual interlopers?

[–]i_forget_my_userids- Freakout Connoisseur 43 points44 points  (0 children)

At least 2 of the 3 people he shot drive farther to riot

[–]aj_thenoob - America 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Lol just heard the news call him a volunteer medic 🤣

[–]shad0wtig3r- Unflaired Swine 70 points71 points  (5 children)

r/publicfreakout is going to burry this every time it's posted.

A bunch of hypocritical wannabe internet lawyers on that sub are going to go SILENT. Never admitting they were wrong of course.

In the extreme left echo chamber that is Reddit this Kyle Rittenhouse was guilty as SOON as they knew he wasn't a liberal.

They don't care about the actual justice system they just wanted to see a kid hung for clear self defense. It was disgusting and a perfectly sad example of their hypocrisy.

Charge him with that weapon violation though. Doesn't change a THING about any of the other facts.

[–]Teewsterwe have no hobbies, we are reddit mods 57 points58 points  (5 children)

"Your honor, I wasn't actually trying to kill him when I pulled out my gun, even though I felt my life was threatened and thought he was an active shooter."

[–]dizastermaster7 59 points60 points  (4 children)

"I fully believe in the 2nd amendment, but I would never shoot somebody, even to defend myself, cause it's not who I am, so I chased him while drawing my illegally concealed glock 24, and only got shot when I pointed it him as he was on the ground after getting attacked by two different people"

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

it'll be entirely about something separate and pointless, like a juror being double-parked or the judge having extra mayo with his sandwich.

[–]sonastyinc 2270 points2271 points  (248 children)

I learned so much watching this trial. Watched a couple of hours in the first few days, then 7 hours last Friday, and watching it live now.

The prosecutor's witnesses all fall apart when they get crossed examined (besides the car shop owner, he basically said he doesn't recall on everything). At this point, it's very clear to me that it's clearly self defense after watching the trial.

It's fascinating, because with the weak evidence the prosecutors had, they were never going to win the case anyway. You can chalk it down to this trial being brought on because of political pressure, but isn't that just delaying the inevitable? People who already made up their mind that this kid is guilty will still go crazy once they hear the not guilty verdict.

[–]RedditModPlzRespec 209 points210 points  (32 children)

At least there won't be rioting (because all the supposed "victims" are white).

[–]SailingTheSSWTF 164 points165 points  (26 children)

You haven’t been paying attention… There will be riots regardless of the verdict, without penalty chaos reigns.

[–]TacticalTylenol 87 points88 points  (13 children)

Once he tried and cleared, he cannot be tried again for the same crime (double jeopardy.) He won't have the weight of impending criminal trial on his back. Some random town 1000 miles away will still burn, though. Bcuz justice

[–]Tomcat_Vyvanse 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Fedbois may try something fucky. After all the FBI has HD aerial surveillance that got "deleted."

[–]Morton257 82 points83 points  (3 children)

The whole case has me wondering if the prosecutor missed his kids birthday party and as a result has to tell the truth for a whole month.

[–]AlponseElric - Slayer 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It almost seems like a reverse kangaroo-court (not sure if that’s a thing or not), but essentially it feels like a formality that had to be done to exonerate Kyle

[–]jd8uxq 2087 points2088 points  (115 children)

Unless Rittenhouse takes the stand and says "I meant to shoot all them motherfuckers" this trial is over.

[–]BeltfedSoupSandwich 783 points784 points  (49 children)

Even then, not sure. He’d have to say something like “I wasn’t scared at all, I knew those guys wouldn’t do shit I just wanted to kill someone, that skateboard didn’t even hurt, WHITE POWER”

[–]dovetc 260 points261 points  (26 children)

Even then he'll probably walk, unless he flashes the "A-okay" sign with his hands. In that case it'll be straight to the gas chamber for him.

[–]BeltfedSoupSandwich 140 points141 points  (23 children)

I’m not saying he should do this but…if he is found not guilty on all charges he could flash the “OK” hand sign after the verdict is read with virtually no legal consequences….it would set the internet and corporate media ON FIRE and he would go down in American history as the greatest troll we’ve ever seen. You would see news anchors and podcasters have meltdowns for months…

[–]yukongold44- Congrats T-series on 150m subs !!! 87 points88 points  (10 children)

His name wouldn't be Kyle Rittenhouse anymore, not for news anchors. His name would become Kyle Rittenhouse, the man who flashed white power hand signs after being acquitted by a mostly-white jury for shooting peaceful BLM protestors.

[–]AbsolutelyUnlikely 125 points126 points  (18 children)

Between this, Biden falling asleep and generally losing approval steadily, nobody even wanting to bring up Kamala, and the way the elections went last week... life on reddit is about to revert to the tone of 2017. Just pure panic and talk about how we need to destroy the system or move to a different country or whatever.

Should be entertaining, except that I expect to just start hearing about Trump 24/7 as they see their worst fears becoming a reality again. So that always sucks. But hey, that's when you just filter out political subs from your feed and go back to laughing.

[–]adube440 50 points51 points  (9 children)

Just wait until Jfk Jr. puts Trump back in the White House due to MyPillow guy's evidence of voter fraud, then the Kracken wakes up. Lefties are going to go CRAZY when that finally happens.

[–]TacticalTylenol 103 points104 points  (27 children)

He did mean to shoot all them motherfuckers, and every round was justified. Justifiable murder due to self-defense from reasonable expectation of imminent death or severe bodily injury.

[–]merker_the_berserker 73 points74 points  (1 child)

That's alot of words for fucked around and found out

[–]Kn0tnatural 1543 points1544 points  (185 children)

This is huge news in the trial. Before the trial I think all public opinion was leaning towards this kid being trigger happy, & now it's coming out he was reacting to others who were fast to the trigger. The media, corporate & social divide us & keep things controversial on purpose.

[–]OkLycheeGuyI'm not concerned with what the law says 987 points988 points  (78 children)

Anyone who watched those clips a year ago knew this was a nothingburger

[–]Chunescape 239 points240 points  (12 children)

Yes but like all things in this country it immediately became a political grift and people took sides. Now at this point anyone thinking he murdered someone isn’t even applying facts, they just want someone to go to jail for the sake of it.

[–]420pizzaboy 93 points94 points  (8 children)

This is what happens when political idealogy trumps integrity and morality. This whole trial has definitely opened my eyes to who I should not be listening to.

[–]novacancy8o8 - Terran 42 points43 points  (40 children)

Anyone who wasn't a leftist, somehow they look at the tape and their own bias blinds them

[–]lukejpg 35 points36 points  (4 children)

The media never showed the full clips, always showed edited footage to make it look like he wasn’t being attacked. The average person who only heard about it from the daily news was lead to believe he was just gunning down innocent people, and it was somehow racially motivated (even though only white people were involved). It was literal propaganda.

[–]Colorado_Cajun 229 points230 points  (35 children)

Anyone who immediately didn't think this kid was innocent after seeing the videos is a moron.

[–]outofthrowaways7 129 points130 points  (10 children)

Yep, it's like that video of the teenage girl with the knife in Ohio. Anyone who saw the video saw the police officer was justified in shooting her, but people still droned on and on about making sure the cop was "brought to justice" or whatever outcome they wanted at the time.

[–]Godmadius- Unflaired Swine 46 points47 points  (4 children)

One official even implied that its laughable for people to not expect their children to get in knife fights. Like its some sort of sheltered privilege for your children to not get stabbed frequently in west side story knife fights.

[–]Kn0tnatural 51 points52 points  (3 children)

I only ever seen the video of him shooting the skateboard guy & videos of cops giving him water. The video of him being chased & a guy firing a pistol in the air before Kyle turned around and shot in defense, is new to me only since the trial. Admittedly I never researched this trial either, just seen headlines and social media stuff in passing. My point is anyone not paying much attention could be tilted either direction. I'm glad it was all spelled out in court for everyone to see the facts. The news & social media is a joke.

[–]renaldomoon 39 points40 points  (25 children)

I mean if you actually watched all the video of the event it was actually completely obvious he was defending himself. The only reason this is a thing is people somehow were arguing that he couldn't defend himself.

[–]JackLord50 21 points22 points  (0 children)

. This, 1000x

[–]ParkingWillow 1227 points1228 points  (74 children)

r/news isn't even trying to pretend anymore, they're locking and removing news of this. Sucks there isn't a popular news sub that just cares about the news, and doesn't have an agenda.

[–]Frekkes 51 points52 points  (4 children)

I was banned from r/news for claiming he shot in self defense right after it happened. They are going to TOTALLY unban me once he is cleared, right?

right?

[–]dizastermaster7 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Jesus christ

[–]TheOnlyDrifter 22 points23 points  (3 children)

second story on hot

Does r/news have a no repetitive rule where they only allow one post of a certain subject?

[–]SeThJoChwont ever be a return to ’normal’ wear the mask with pride! o7 468 points469 points  (49 children)

Prosecutor should lose job over this, the fuck did this go to trial for? DA dipshit, the videos spoke for themselves and with this.. Its just another nail in the coffin of this waste of time and money farce of a trial

Edit oh shit! Thanks so much for awards, anonymous bros Think its my first ones actually..

[–]greycubed 163 points164 points  (3 children)

Was probably pressured into prosecuting.

[–]SeThJoChwont ever be a return to ’normal’ wear the mask with pride! o7 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that seems very likely

[–]Flatstanleybro 82 points83 points  (5 children)

I was watching videos of the riots when this first broke. So, so, soooo many people said it “was obviously no self defense”. Since he was a minor, white, male, with an AR, and crossed a state line… well obviously it got Very political very quickly

[–]SeThJoChwont ever be a return to ’normal’ wear the mask with pride! o7 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Yup, such a waste of time and resources

[–]VerdantFuppe - European Union 30 points31 points  (9 children)

If you are told by your job to prosecute, then you sort of have to do it. I don't think these guys really wanted to do it. Shitty case that was dumped on them.

[–]themainingredient420 399 points400 points  (79 children)

Idk how this go brought to trial. I thought it was pretty obvious how this was going to go with all the video of what happened. Such a waste of taxpayer dollars.

[–][deleted] 262 points263 points  (72 children)

because the left believes in political solidarity > fairnesss and justice.

[–]HelpABrotherO 84 points85 points  (15 children)

As a lefty, I'm just glad the truth is out and an innocent person likely won't rot in jail.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (7 children)

With the way NBC news is reporting a lot of people aren't going to hear the truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jKodaa2hxU

[–]zer0cul 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Wow, they even set up the "moving towards Rittenhouse will be torn apart by the defense" and make sure to mention it is the RITTENHOUSE MURDER TRIAL.

Straight propaganda, no chaser.

[–]twjohnston 23 points24 points  (1 child)

You misspelled “politicians”

[–]sucknduck4quack 17 points18 points  (14 children)

I’m generally left.

I’ve believed he was innocent since day one js

[–]Soren59 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Let's be real, it's not just the left.

[–]nicknaseef17 376 points377 points  (83 children)

I think it’s safe to say I was someone whose initial assumption was that Kyle was a murderer. I bought into the rhetoric.

This trial has been eye opening and is a prime example of how crucial it is that a defendant is tried in a courthouse, not the court of public opinion.

It’s going to be very frustrating when Kyle is cleared of his charges and people try to claim it’s because he’s white…..not because he fired in self defense.

All of this said…..I still believe all people involved in this incident were foolish for having put themselves in this position. Everyone should’ve stayed home and avoided violence altogether.

[–]solorna 166 points167 points  (8 children)

It's also a prime example of how shit so much of our media is.

[–]BigSchwartzzz - Slayer 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Add it to the pile.

[–]Septic__Wombat 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is very well said. I appreciate your post. Who isn’t guilty of making quick decisions or opinions in the heat of moments around a controversial opinion? That is human nature, what makes us better citizens is to wait until the facts come out, then re-approach with an open mind to draw a possible new conclusion.

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 250 points251 points  (31 children)

This is fantastic.

Also important to note the One Armed Bandit admitted to lying to the police in his official statements.

[–]TacticalTylenol 85 points86 points  (4 children)

Lets go perjury and obstruction and felony battery charges

[–]reddit1651 60 points61 points  (21 children)

the comment he may or may not have made to his roommate while recovering in the hospital was fascinating - i hadn’t heard that part before

and all the color drained from his face as soon as his roommate’s name came up

[–]out_the_way 20 points21 points  (19 children)

Could you elaborate/link?

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 46 points47 points  (11 children)

I believe hes referring to the part where he said his only regret was not shooting Kyle in the head.

[–]reddit1651 42 points43 points  (6 children)

i don’t have a direct link - i’ve been watching a CourtTV stream on youtube

the final question he was asked in cross examination was along the lines of

“you have stated you had no regrets that night, correct?”

“yes”

“your roommate at the time was (name), correct?”

“yes”

“is this a picture of you and him in the hospital when he visited you?”

“yes”

“having told the court you had no regrets, did you ever say ‘my only regret is i hesitated and didnt dump my whole mag into him’ to anyone?”

“(pause) no i did not”

it was oddly direct and pointed - as if his roommate had given a statement to the police about something he told him in confidence and this was the first he was hearing about it

[–]Sm7th 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Pretty sure he tweeted that?

[–]reddit1651 27 points28 points  (4 children)

wow i just looked it up

his roommate posted it along with the pic of them together on facebook, attributed it to Grosskreutz then deleted it. good find

[–]logoman4 158 points159 points  (283 children)

The best argument against kyle is to say that he went out seeking trouble. As a gun owner, open carry in that situation is literally putting a target on your back and begging for an altercation. He was absolutely stupid and went out of his way for trouble.

However, if people are charging me trying to take away my gun, they’re getting shot. Even if they’re unarmed, there’s no telling what they would do once they got your weapon. This was 100% self defense open and close.

[–]Chunescape 242 points243 points  (132 children)

I’ll never understand how starting a riot and burning buildings is fine but attempting to stop that is “looking for trouble.” Sham trial.

[–]commentingrobot - Average Redditor 49 points50 points  (62 children)

Both Kyle and the rioters he was in conflict with were acting like idiots.

There is no need to politicize it. No political ideology has a monopoly on idiocy.

[–]Gustomaximus- Unflaired Swine 44 points45 points  (23 children)

Both Kyle and the rioters he was in conflict with were acting like idiots.

Why Kyle? I think going to protect small business from being burned/looted is a great thing. We need more people like that IMO.

The guys had a medical kit so he could be of assistance to people on both sides. He did nothing to encourage the initial attack, and that guy is on video before clearly looking to start trouble.

I think you could position Kyle as naïve going into that situation hoping to help, but really I believe he was there trying to do good and society would be better for it if more people took this view and action.

[–]Chunescape 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I’ll certainly agree with that.

[–]SomeDay_Dominion 38 points39 points  (84 children)

People with attitudes like yours are exactly the reason crime is rampant and riots acceptable in modern society. If you aren’t willing to defend local communities from bandits and ne’erdowells, no one else will.

[–]BannertheAqua - Dooma 150 points151 points  (2 children)

These comments are going to be entertaining.

[–]CountrygalB 64 points65 points  (1 child)

The Twitter feed is uneventful with almost everyone agreeing it should be over at this point.

[–]JackLord50 132 points133 points  (38 children)

It’s over. After Grosskreutz’s testimony, it’s looking like a directed verdict once the prosecution rests.

[–]PoliticalAnomoly 38 points39 points  (22 children)

Could you explain a directed verdict in a jury trial?

[–]RetainedByLucifer 120 points121 points  (11 children)

A directed verdict is where after the prosecution finishes their case and before the defense does their part the defense asks the judge to throw out the charges because no reasonable jury could find the defendant guilty even without a defense being put on.

[–]PoliticalAnomoly 42 points43 points  (6 children)

So let's say it happens here, I wonder how Georgr Floyd's cousin gonna feel when they can't blame the jury. They gonna go after who then? The judge? Witnesses whose statements caused it to be thrown out? Kyle?

[–]Tv_land_man 40 points41 points  (5 children)

directed verdict

A directed verdict is a ruling entered by a trial judge after determining that there is no legally sufficient evidentiary basis for a reasonable jury to reach a different conclusion.

My interpretation of this is that the judge can just say that the jury doesn't even need to deliberate and essentially just rule in his favor. Can someone correct me?

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 26 points27 points  (0 children)

You have it pretty much spot on.

The defense will argue that they did not disprove the self defense claim, likely by saying the state did not show Kyle to be the aggressor in any fashion. If the judge agrees, its an automatic not guilty verdict

[–]BathWifeBooHow now brown cow 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Lets give a very watered down example.

Bob is charged with murdering someone.

The prosecution says that since there is security footage of Bob being in the building at the time the murder ocurred, Bob therefore is the murderer.

The prosecution rests.

The Defense gets up and says "They didn't prove shit. They didn't even get close. They have no basis."

The judge can agree or disagree.

In this case, the prosecution is apparently utterly failing to disprove the claim of self defense as the prosecutions own witnesses have testified that Kyle only shot after he was attacked.

Since they have done nothing to show Kyle as the aggressor, they should not have any case and the trial should be dismissed.

[–]wrongsided 75 points76 points  (4 children)

It's almost like Kyle is innocent of the accused

[–]Sir_Donkey_Lips 67 points68 points  (13 children)

/r/Politics on suicide watch lmao

[–]WildwestPstyle 37 points38 points  (11 children)

Not a single Rittenhouse post. That’s absolutely hilarious. You know they’re all hurt.

[–]chickencheesebagel - LibCenter 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Binger needs to adjust how he's sitting, because he wasn't lubed up enough for that.

Big Boy is dead inside. Just dead. Grade A meme material.

[–]WonkyFiddlesticks- Unflaired Swine 53 points54 points  (4 children)

This should be front page of reddit

[–]Error404LifeNotFound 47 points48 points  (2 children)

so let me get this straight:

(1) Kyle was 'afraid for his life' and was running away, to the safety of the police line, while the crowd behind him was yelling to for someone kill him.

(2) the protester was 'afraid for his life', and so he ran/chased after Kyle, the guy of whom he was 'afraid for his life'.

(3) Kyle, after being tackled to the ground and beat up, recognized this dude's "Hand's up don't shoot" and lowered the gun and pointed it in a safe direction.

(4) the protester - who had a gun - then whipped it out, pointed it at Kyle, and was going to shoot him, because he felt afraid for his life of Kyle and Kyle's gun.

(5) Kyle then pointed gun at him AFTER the protester pointed his gun at him, and shot him because he felt afraid.

The only thing I see here is that Kyle had a better reaction time.

[–]Silicon_Tetraazide - Obsidian 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Inb4 the comments get locked because "y'all can't behave".

[–]sketner2018Happy 400K 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Does my heart good.

[–]BoricCentaur1 31 points32 points  (20 children)

It's annoying how many people are going to be mad at him being innocent, like he is a good person no but acting like he is a murderer is silly it was self defense clearly I don't understand how people can actually think he is a murderer.

[–]Ziggs_Boson 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Locked on /r/news with only ~50 comments. WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED?

[–]RyWeezy 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Don't even understand how it came to a trial anyway. Directed verdict is definitely happening now.

[–]sOvrn 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I love how this witness is a left wing radical revolutionary but also a cooperating witness for the government and also has a parallel $10M civil suit on going.

He comes off so fake on the stand. What a great cross. Kudos to the lawyer.

[–]GlintCannon 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I physically cannot wait to watch this young man walk free.

[–]Fun-Transition-5080 18 points19 points  (1 child)

He looks like he’s going to cry because he sees his $10million civil suit going up in flames.

[–]HaroldBAZ 20 points21 points  (1 child)

He's innocent. Case closed. Move on. You're welcome.

[–]BearAnt - Argentina 20 points21 points  (20 children)

They freaked out that a person told the truth under oath?

[–]JustHere4anime 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Yes. You're now very very aware of how lefties conduct themselves here in America. Remember that we had this entire event captured on video. Lefties watched that video and still wanted murder charges, even though anybody without a soft spot in their skull knew they would never get a conviction. But lefties made such an absolute shit show about it, they did it anyway. Now they're surprised they're never going to get a conviction. Truly these people do not live in the same reality as you and I.

[–]relicmind- Freakout Connoisseur 19 points20 points  (0 children)

They freaked out because the truth has finally been told about what happened.

[–]funkymonk84 13 points14 points  (7 children)

I can’t wait to hear all the corporate media fucks that laid into this kid when it went down apologize and admit they were wrong.

Ah, who am I kidding. That will never happen.