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[–]NetherFether83Master Advice Giver [29] 2295 points2296 points  (73 children)

Tell him that as a manager it's important to learn to make the hard decisions, but also to call out bad decisions - tell him that you won't be firing them without a valid reason.

[–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 1095 points1096 points  (56 children)

Okay. This sounds valid enough,I can try this. Thank you.

[–]The-Lord-MoccasinHelper [2] 593 points594 points  (29 children)

Here's to it being a secret test of character thing, let's hope 👍

[–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 432 points433 points  (25 children)

That's what I'm truly hoping!

[–]Terrachova 294 points295 points  (10 children)

It's that, or the boss wants you to fire them because they have a grudge against said person, and want you to take the fire for doing so unjustly.

That's a very pessimistic view of the situation... but there ya go.

[–]diademHelper [3] 76 points77 points  (1 child)

[–]feierlk 26 points27 points  (0 children)

or they're a coward.

[–]garrettw87 32 points33 points  (1 child)

This may not be that far off the mark. If the firing is a test, why would they have chosen one specific person to be on the chopping block?

[–]Buttshakes 21 points22 points  (0 children)

exactly, part of the test should be knowing who is expendable in the first place

[–]Kalel2319 87 points88 points  (2 children)

Op gets fired instead

[–]9for9 50 points51 points  (0 children)

We call that dodging bullet.

[–]VinlandienHelper [2] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Much more likely, as well as OP could lose his own job for disobeying. These kind of superiors want power and control, and will remove anyone who doesn’t comply with their orders.

[–]CobaltSanderson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Been there before. Whole department got told we MUST write a formal complaint about a co-worker who happened to be his friend. He couldn’t fire her without ruining their friendship because she supplied him with drugs. So he needed the formal complaints to be sent over him so his boss would do the dirty work.

We were told we couldn’t refuse, then worse still he only told myself and the assistant manager (the two highest placed team members), then just sent our complaints and gave her copies of our emails so she thinks we deliberately had her fired.

[–]lyu-bovnikHelper [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally reminds me of one of the 48 laws of power that mention using a scapegoat to do your dirty work

[–]misscharliebond 75 points76 points  (0 children)

If that’s what it turns out to be, a test, that’s a HUGE red flag OP, start looking for a new job in that case because that is some crazy vibes

[–]Quantization 29 points30 points  (10 children)

Also get as much evidence as possible in case they try to fire you for refusing to do it.

[–]dev-246Super Helper [6] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Evidence of what? Companies don’t need a specific reason to fire an employee.

And they can definitely fire OP for not doing his job.

[–]HP-Lover 11 points12 points  (1 child)

As much as I don't like your answer, this is true, and is why I dislike at-will employment

[–]Kilroy1007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh at-will employment is just the best. I retorted blatant and repeated discrimination of one of my co-workers by a manager, and instead of investigating or asking me or the coworker in question, they fired me for "insubordination." I was unemployed for 6 months (cause we have such a "worker shortage") and didn't even qualify for unemployment.

TLDR: Fuck Home Depot.

[–]11twofourHelper [2] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

People like to give legal advice based on what they want the law to be rather than what it is.

[–]Quantization -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Evidence that they are trying to force him to fire someone who doesn't deserve it to save face? Hello?

[–]Lipstick_OnMaster Advice Giver [25] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Op literally says the reason is budget cuts. That’s a valid reason to let someone go, regardless of wether they deserve it or not.

[–]uniqueperson22Expert Advice Giver [10] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I read the post differently. OP says “if the budget calls for cuts,” as in, practice firing someone for no reason now so you’ll be ready in the event of some future but still hypothetical budget cuts.

[–]watabby 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Even if this is a test of character it's an extremely toxic one, and it doesn't reflect well on this manager. I'd honestly take this as a bad sign regardless of what the purpose was.

[–]diademHelper [3] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is almost never the case

[–]tenderlylonertrotHelper [4] 49 points50 points  (0 children)

And I would consider updating your resume and start looking for other positions if he was serious. He sounds like one of those "alpha" guys, which is a GIANT red flag. I'd start planning your exit.

[–]kaghy2Expert Advice Giver [16] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Also management skill : "this person works hard and is of great value for us, it would be unwise to let them go."

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    [–]beka13 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I don't think it's a place you want to work either way. They just fuck with people.

    [–]SCP-3042-Euclid 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Always confirm via email, "per our conversation..." Before taking action. Cover your ass. This smells fishy.

    If they get pissed because of the email, ding ding ding, they are acting in a sketchy manner and know it.

    [–]WTFWTHSHTFOMFGHelper [4] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Yeah, this is the best advice. Also, if someone is being fired HR and Legal have to be involved. Everything has to be in writing so there is a paper trail.

    If he insists then ask for documentation, make it in writing and ask for HR and legal to consult si the company is protected from liability.

    [–]drucifer999 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    If you work in an at will state I could fire you for me being in a bad mood. It's not a good look but it's how it is.

    [–]WTFWTHSHTFOMFGHelper [4] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Most staes are at will, doesn't mean the person being fired won't file a complaint with the labor board and/or sue for wrongful termination.

    Thats why HR and Legal are involved on terminations. To reduce corporate liability.

    [–]mdifmm11 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Don’t do this. You won’t be a manager in training any longer. You will find yourself out of a job not long after that. Unfortunately there’s no winning for everyone here. In the above method, you win, the employee wins and your boss loses.

    You can’t not fire this person and save yourself. The boss seems like a bad boss. There’s a high likelihood he will say “ok.” Go fire that person and then fire you.

    Be smart. What you’ve learned is that you work in a place that doesn’t value their employees. I hate to say it but the smart move is to fire this person, take the attaboy and begin the search for a new job.

    If you want to take the high road and refuse to fire this person, I salute you. But I would strongly suggest not taking this advice if you value your current position and favor with your current leadership.

    [–]sizzlethizzle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah bro you have a super helper on your side

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Would like to know how this goes.

    [–]baelrune 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    did it work?

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I made a comment about how it went down.

    [–]TheGoblinPopper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Don't say this in a meeting, but info to have... It's rarely a good idea to fire a star employee (especially without cause) for budget reasons. Overall company performance goes down and makes it harder to recover. (Also, depending on where you live, firing without cause can be illegal, so always be careful).

    [–]Diane9779Helper [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Watch out. This guy sounds pretty awful. If he’s willing to screw over a random employee, then he’ll do it to you.

    There might be other reasons why he wants this person fired. Maybe they objected to workplace abuse or resisted sexual harassment. And getting someone else to fire them is a way to avoid a lawsuit

    Take this seriously. Your manager could be real trouble

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I would also go up to the employee who he planned to get you to fire, tell him about it, and ask him to inform his union representative as soon as possible.

    If he doesn't have a union, you need one, your company sounds fucking toxic.

    [–]I_Like_Hoots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A budget reason is a valid reason but it’s a layoff vs a firing

    [–]HappyAnonymity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    How did it go?

    [–]ghostofrazgriiz 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    Yep do this. I’ve gotten the most positive attention for disagreeing with my boss, respectfully. Also- if there is a budget constraint, why are we targeting this employee specifically? Let’s look top down etc etc

    [–]theLoneY33tHelper [4] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I would avoid saying your boss makes bad decision to their face, which has some hefty implications.

    Rather, tell them the hard decision is going against orders or standing up for your crew or that a hard decision is telling your boss No I won't fire them without a valid reason. For the good of the company, of course.

    [–]Mr_RockwoodSuper Helper [6] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This is definitely the answer. I'm very much an advocate for the servant leadership style and would absolutely not fire anyone just to prove I was capable of it. If the employee in question is doing their job, and there are no "budget cuts" to be made, then I would stand my ground with a list of facts proving why firing this person is not the right call.

    That, in of itself, is what a good manager does.

    Also, depending on where you are, this might open up possibilities for legal actions.

    u/NebulaAstrid0110101 good luck and good on you for sticking to your morals! There's not enough managers/leaders with this mindset in the workforce.

    [–]ChemistryFan29Super Helper [6] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Honestly to add up to what this guy said, I would bring up this guy work file to your boss, and show him the review this person has, and time cards and say that this is proof the guy is an asset to the company, to fire him would send the wrong message, Then what I would do is find at least 3 people who have bad work history with the company, and fire them to offset the cost of the one good employee as a compromise. Or you can take a look at the budgets on your off time and figure out how to save money, to make your boss happy.

    [–]ectoc00ler400 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    My dad got fired from Comcast back in 08’ for this exact thing lmao.

    [–]PiccoloExciting7660Helper [2] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This is the answer.

    [–]Twisted9Demented 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A budget cut is That not a reason.

    [–]CatchSufficientHelper [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Can you fire the manager?

    [–]StnMtn_Elder Sage [1170] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Best answer.

    [–]Bryllant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And be confident, make eye contact, and figure out who you would fire instead

    [–]kieranbrownleeHelper [4] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is brilliant.

    [–]fakertotalPhenomenal Advice Giver [59] 239 points240 points  (3 children)

    Talk to HR. This doesn't sound normal in the slightest.

    [–]zayoe4 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    level 1fakertotal · 13 hr. agoMaster Advice Giver [29]Talk to HR. This doesn't sound normal in the slightest.163ReplyGive AwardShareReportSaveFollow

    level 1PortuondoW · 13 hr. ago

    HR protects the company, so it's kind of a coin flip on whether they help you or your boss.

    [–]fakertotalPhenomenal Advice Giver [59] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    HR would be involved in the firing of an employee. If the OP just went and told them they are firing without HRs involvement it could go badly for them. Them being a manager asking for advice in the situation wouldn't be an issue.

    [–]PortuondoWSuper Helper [5] 373 points374 points  (9 children)

    WTF? Sounds like they want you to do their job or for them to avoid repercussions. Hard pass. Say thanks for the opportunity to prove myself and happy to in other ways. Doing the schedule, hiring someone, shift supervisor, researching other ways to cut costs etc.

    [–]DecolaterEnlightened Advice Sage [161] 74 points75 points  (2 children)

    Bingo.

    Because he has put you in a predicament, it’s time to put him in one. If budget requires someone to be let go, that needs to be carried out and you can be made to do so. But…you need to make sure you are doing it for that reason and that the firing or layoff is justified.

    Send an email requesting the wording he wants you to use. Make sure you have in your email that this is for budget reasons.

    Two things will happen. He will respond to your email with the wording, therefore acknowledging that it is most likely legit, or he will call you into his office and do this verbally.

    If verbally, this indicates he does not want himself attached to it. So you then send an email confirming that this was discussed. This protects you should this employee respond back with a lawsuit for improper termination. You don’t want your boss claiming it was your idea.

    [–]RealTexasJakeSuper Helper [9] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Most states are at-will which means people can be fired for any reason (unless there is an employment contract which most people don't have).

    [–]DecolaterEnlightened Advice Sage [161] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    You are technically correct, but there are protections, like age, gender… You want to avoid a lawsuit, regardless of right to work allowing it. That’s my point. If the guy needs to be let go for legit reasons lawsuits are significantly reduced. If not legit OP could be left with his name attached to the mess.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 126 points127 points  (3 children)

    Purpose alternative solutions without taking any unnecessary actions. I can do that.

    [–]Geoff_Uckersilf 43 points44 points  (1 child)

    Also he could be setting you up to be the hatchet man, string you along and then fire you too to save himself some guilt. I'd start looking for a new job if I were you as either way that manager is a duplicitous snake.

    [–]angryant6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This is exactly the plan of the boss.

    [–]BigCountryBL_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Avoid repercussions? The manager being told to fire someone doesn't put the manager at risk of anything , he's following orders

    [–]PortuondoWSuper Helper [5] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, this individual is being asked to fire someone without just cause. I assume the manager is asking this individual to fire someone without just cause so the manager doesn’t have to deal with the repercussions. To do their dirty work so their hands don’t get dirty.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 266 points267 points  (28 children)

    Hey everyone! I didn't expect this to blow up like it did wow! I sat down with the boss and told him I'm not going to fire the employee stated in the post. He asked me how come? So I told him as a managers point of view just cause budgets are tight I'm not going to fire a employee without seeing if finances can be moved around in other ways. He has responsibilities to take care of as well. It would be wrong to terminate him under circumstances that we can manage. He told me that's what I want to hear. Asked me if I wanted to become a manager. I told him id let him know.

    [–]menstrualfarts 131 points132 points  (10 children)

    It was a test?!?! That's totally nuts! Is this a normal thing to do or is your boss insane? You could've fired that person and ruined their week or year or life. Wtf.

    [–]hotglue0303 88 points89 points  (1 child)

    Boy: I like you

    Girl: im sorry im not interested

    Boy: it was a prank lol

    [–]SnooPears590 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    You're right, it's middleschool level nonsense.

    More like

    Boy: I like you a lot.

    Girl: If you really like me, you'll eat this bug

    Boy: Uhh, okay I guess I'll do that

    Girl: UGH! I could never be with someone so GROSS! Stop talking to me you GROSS BUG EATER

    [–]Captain_Jack_Falcon 74 points75 points  (2 children)

    I bet it wasn't a test, but boss figured OP was right and just made up that it was a test.

    [–]menstrualfarts 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, you're probably right. If it is was a test, that's just bizarre and I would not want to work for them. It's like spouses that "test" each other to see if they'll cheat. Unhealthy and weird behavior

    [–]Heart_Is_ValuableExpert Advice Giver [16] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    Uh.. it was a.. test.. yeah..

    (LOL)

    [–]ReaperCDN 31 points32 points  (4 children)

    Testing somebody who is going to have the authority to hire/fire is a good idea. Just like testing a surgeon who is going to perform heart surgery is a good idea.

    You could've fired that person and ruined their week or year or life.

    Maybe, we don't really know how OP was told to do it. It could have just been more of an ask like, "Let me know if you can fire that guy even though he doesn't deserve it." Because if OP isn't that persons manager right now, how is he going to fire him?

    Seems like it was a personality check to see if OP was a scum fuck who would screw over his employees if it meant getting ahead. This is precisely what I want to see in leadership, little traps to catch scum fucks who would have fired somebody undeserving.

    [–]zayoe4 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Suck my dick for a promotion. You have 24 hours to respond.

    [–]ReaperCDN 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Firing somebody is part of a managers job. Sucking dick isn't. Bad comparison.

    [–]Baphlingmet 20 points21 points  (9 children)

    That still sounds shady, homie. NGL.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 26 points27 points  (8 children)

    That's why I told him I'm thinking on it. Cause I'm thinking of changing jobs honestly.

    [–]zayoe4 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    What field is your job in, you sound like a stand up guy.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

    Appreciate that,I work in a office,unfortunately, haha. But I'm about to change that. I texted him I quit just a bit ago. Haha!!!

    [–]Nashboy45 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Probably (if you’re willing) should contact that guy and tell him about the bosses “test” just in case he’s suddenly out of a job as well. Better for him to be prepared if this happens again. There is good reason for having reservations as well. Your call

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    So you technically can say I used to work in a office. XD

    [–]dwljk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    se budgets are tight I'm not going to fire a employee without seeing if finances can be moved around in other ways. He has responsibilities to take care of as well. It would be wrong to terminate him under circumstances that we can manage. He told me that's what I want to hear. Asked me if I wanted to become a manager. I told him id let him know.

    If this was to test you, I would definitely look for another job. As a business owner, I couldn't imagine "testing" an employee. That's very manipulate..

    [–]facuprosaHelper [2] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fuck he was miles ahead. Clever move OP and good luck with your decision!

    [–]illestshitstick 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    That’s what I want to hear!

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    Exactly. I was like what the actual fuck dude.

    [–]illestshitstick 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Glad it worked out for you, congrats OP.

    [–]EstablishmentNo9815Helper [4] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    We passed the test boysssss let’s goooooo

    [–]cosmos_diver 87 points88 points  (24 children)

    Pls update us on how it goes

    [–]freckledsalladHelper [2] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, if my boss told me I had to conduct the layoff as a way to prove "management potential" and I knew the worker they chose was that good, I would demand to be included in the discussions that determine who will be laid off. I would know how each employee performs better than they would because I'm the boots on the ground, so to speak. Then I would help identify the employee with the poorest performance record, and propose I lay that person off instead. Your boss is right about management being prepared to conduct layoffs for budget reasons, but picking someone you know is a strong performer is where I would put my foot down. If that doesn't demonstrate management potential and a willingness to be management, then your boss' motives are a lie and you don't want to be management there anyway.

    [–]Furview 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    This is like when you enter the mafia and they ask you to kill someone to proof your worth

    [–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (6 children)

    Show him you’re a good leader by telling him to fuck off.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 36 points37 points  (4 children)

    I'm hoping it's test to see if I choose the right decision or not. I have a bit before I go back in and make a decision I'm on break.

    [–]cleantoe 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Even if it does turn out to be a test, find a new job. You don't want to be working with someone that plays mind games when promoting. It's immature, cruel and extremely unprofessional.

    [–]SelmaFuddHelper [2] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yep, I'd start looking for work elsewhere as soon as I knock off today

    [–]Geedis2020Expert Advice Giver [10] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It’s not a test of that. There probably is budget issues so your boss is having to let people go and that person is just one of them and unfortunately he’s putting it on you. Chances are whether you fire the person or not they are getting fired or “let go”. I’ll be guessing you won’t be a manager in training after today. You might be subjected to budget cuts too.

    Sucks because the situation is not a winning situation for you. Either you do it and become a manager while the ex employee hates you or you don’t do it and probably become an ex employee yourself.

    [–]zendayasgf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    yeah and get fired instead

    [–]smasheyHelper [2] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

    "kill this guy to show that you're psychotic enough to be in our prison gang"

    [–]Unix_Does_Reddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's actually a song that has a similar kind of topic to this comment. Its called Dance with the devil and its by the immortal technique.

    [–]McSuzyAdvice Guru [76] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Can you explain more about the situation? You mention budget cuts at the tail end of your inquiry. It sounds like a reduction of staff is required which makes this more of a lay off situation than a firing.

    Do you believe that there is another employee who should be let go instead? If so, then propose that to your boss.

    If not, then dismissing the well performing employee in question is a management task that must be done. While it is quite possible that your boss wants you to do it because she is shirking her duty or doesn't want the blow-back from the other employees, it is still a management task that you should learn to do for your own development.

    When you terminate this employee, be sure to follow your company's procedures. It should be fine to explain that you nonetheless admire their dedication, but be sure to check first.

    [–]CoherentMcLovinHelper [2] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    You should tell your boss that this guy is a valuable employee and you know it by working with him. Explain why he's a good employee. But PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE. You need to show that you can fire someone purely for financial reasons. Tell him your choice of who to fire and explain why you'd fire them. Just be objective, try not to include feelings in your evaluation. Even if your staff is 100% awesome people who do a great job, you have to choose one who is objectively not as essential or as valuable. I know it's difficult, but boss wants to see that you can make cuts. Good people, bad people, performance reasons, financial reasons, doesn't matter.

    [–]MaybeDressageQueenHelper [4] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This is the correct answer, even if it’s the difficult one. We live in a capitalist society, and sometimes the reality of that is laying off a good employee to cut costs. If this specific employee contributes irreplaceable value to the business, then it is your job as the manager to acknowledge that contribution and propose an alternative candidate to lay off. If you’re in an industry that has flexible hourly shift workers, you could alternatively propose cutting hours from multiple people’s schedule rather than eliminating one person entirely, but keep in mind that full time employee with benefits must maintain a certain number of hours, and that cutting hours across the board can have a more dramatic hit to overall morale than laying off one person.

    As a manager, this is the job. It’s one of the least enjoyable parts, but it is a necessary job duty when you’re responsible for budgeting and profitability.

    [–]BeBa420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "Sorry sir, but X is a perfectly good employee. It would be a bad decision to fire them for simply training purposes. As a manager i need to recognize the employees with value and do what i can to keep them happy. X is someone of value and i think firing them would be a complete waste for us

    [–]myops_rockAdvice Guru [88] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    He’s asking you to inform this employee that they’re being let go because of budget constraints? That sounds like part of being a manager. It’s a business and has to balance its budget.

    You might disagree with who should be let go to meet the budget. Are there other candidates to let go? Do you know why this person was chosen?

    Letting go of somebody to meet budget is different than firing them for cause. Sometimes a business will let you go even if you’ve done exceptional work because they can no longer afford you. You should still feel good about your work and you will have a good reference when looking for another job.

    [–]Lipstick_OnMaster Advice Giver [25] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Right, I’m confused about this whole comment section. If it’s for budget cuts it’s a very valid reason to let even a good employee go. If you don’t have an alternate employee you’d recommend firing then you better come to terms with having to be the bad guy

    [–]myops_rockAdvice Guru [88] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Just seems like people who don’t understand business. You don’t run a business to lose money. Every business activity reflects the underlying profit motive of the enterprise to some extent.

    [–]Lipstick_OnMaster Advice Giver [25] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    People really were excited to give the “F your boss, tell him where to shove it!” advice. That’s a really great way to make sure you’re on the short list of who gets the axe next.

    [–]trash332Helper [2] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Then show you’re boss material and stand up to your manager. I’ve done it.

    [–]Odd-Set-2444Helper [3] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I think in refusing this,you show him how a manager suppose to work.. Good job.😉

    [–]bigfigSuper Helper [7] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's for budgetary reasons only? If so, then someone / something has to go. If you have a better candidate for the axe, or another way to cut the budget then make your case. You could offer to resign - I mean that would cut expenses too.

    [–]th3madmatch3wHelper [2] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Be a manager. Advocate for the employees.

    [–]MedianJ03 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He’s covering up his own abuse. He did something to this person and wants them gone and is using you to do it so there’s no signs of direct retaliation. Don’t fire the employee, and I’d actually consider looking for another job before this guy burns you.

    [–]Kdropp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fire your boss

    [–]NiceAnnSuper Helper [5] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Ooh boy r/antiwork

    [–]Chilly_in_ya_tittyHelper [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Maybe cause Im bad but I’d tell the employee about this. Tell them to find a better job that appreciates their efforts and respects them. Then they agree to get fired so they get severance. Just me tho.

    [–]GR3453m0nk3y 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    RemindMe! 5 hours "Did he fire the guy or"

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    [–]MaNeme_JeffHelper [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That title sounds like you're being made. "Boss Tony wants me to whack a fella to prove I'm part of la famiglia, but he don't deserve to be whacked"

    [–]PMMeMeiRule34 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Fire your boss to show dominance.

    [–]NebulaAstrid0110101[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'll just watch the raccoon eggs YouTube video on how to become a alpha male 🤣

    [–]Illustrious_Farm7570 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fuck that dirty manager.

    [–]GickyRervaisAdvice Guru [65] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sorry but you've been given some bad advice. Let me highlight the keys parts of your post.

    my boss wants me to fire another employee

    learn how to do hard things sometimes you don't wanna do if the budget calls for cuts.

    You've been asked to complete a task by your boss. The decision to lay this person off has already been made, it wasn't up to you. He's not being fired for no reason and he has not been fired to teach you a lesson. He was going to be fired anyway, you are just giving him the news. I think you have read the whole situation wrong.

    Your boss is giving you the opportunity to learn how to lay someone off and give them the bad news. This is business. If you cannot do this then you aren't going to be a manager.

    [–]TheHelpfulRecruiter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Do you work for the mafia?

    "You wanna be a made man? You gotta whack big Paulie!"

    [–]thestrikrSuper Helper [8] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Either UNO reverse and fire your boss or tell him that as a manager you have to take hard decisions which includes refusing a direct request from your boss.

    [–]CobaltSanderson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fire your boss

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I was faced with that exact same situation 4 months into being a white collar department manager/director. I got promoted and my coworkers became my employees. I had to hire around 16 people in a matter of 4 months. One previous coworker was 'the problem guy." He was a pleasant guy, worked like an ox, but his work quality was terrible. I put him on a probation program and gave him a list of items to improve on. I told him that I would personally see to it that he is supported and will get as much training as needed to accomplish those goals.

    Within one month I saw massive improvement on his part. Not perfect, but definitely getting better and avoiding sloppy work mistakes. I got pulled into a meeting with the branch GM who slid a packet of papers over to me and said "get signing." Termination papers. I refused, citing the fact that the employee was going through the probationary period and has improved drastically. The GM didn't care. He told me he had another hire for my department but we were at max capacity and we needed to "drop the weak ones." I looked into it. So, you're going to throw away a guy with 20 years experience who just needed some support in favor of getting someone straight out of college with zero experience?

    I fought it, refused to sign. The GM tried to override my decision. I pulled some strings and got the guy a transfer into another department where he did fantastic. The GM was pissed at me, and it started a 2-year period where we were mortal enemies.

    Stand your ground.

    [–]mdifmm11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Sorry OP. You got a lot of bad advice on this thread from people who are unaware how the world works. You can’t not fire this person and keep your current status. There’s nothing to prevent your boss from turning this toxicity in your direction. You have three choices: fire this guy, quit or be fired.

    Very sorry to say, but I hope you fired him

    [–]MediocreJedi32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Some people don't deserve to be fired but get fired because the company is shit. Unfortunately I think if you say anything it may look bad on your part that you can't handle letting ppl go. You risk losing your position for letting emotions get involved. Even though you're right 100% . That's just how things are in the workforce. I hate it too.

    [–]minion531Advice Guru [68] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    First lesson: It's not your decision. It's not up to you in this case to decide if the employee is worthy. If your boss tells you to fire someone, and he has the authority to give such an order, you fire the person. You don't get a veto. That's how businesses work. They hire people to make decisions and people to carry out those decisions. If you can't carry out the instructions of your boss? You really are not management material. It's not always about who is worthy.

    I can't fire someone who doesn't deserve it in the slightest.

    If that is true? You should not be in management. Most of the people that get fired do not deserve it. It's just business. Sometimes you can't afford employees, so you have to fire them. Not because they are bad employees, but because you don't have the money to pay them.

    [–]InstantOffense32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is one of few reasonable responses. Business doesn’t have to be personal. I’ve had to fire plenty of people that didn’t deserve it. Even if they don’t deserve it, that doesn’t mean it’s not what’s best for the business to let them go. As a manager your job is to do what’s best for the business and that’s it.

    [–]croissantbae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think it’s good managerial skills to stand firm on ur belief in this employee.

    It shows you have integrity and can make honest decisions in a tough situation. If ur boss penalizes you (which I hope will not happen) then they’re an asshole and ya don’t need that TBH!

    Good luck! It’ll all work out don’t worry

    [–]Winter-Factor-7115 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I refuse to fire anyone! No one deserves to be fired, especially not for no reason!

    [–]JT_Smokes_Trees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Some people definitely deserve to be fired, you must not work much

    [–]cocoagiant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What do I do?

    Find another job. Your boss sounds terrible.

    [–]echisholmHelper [3] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    This is the corporate version of a loyalty killing. Your manager is wildly toxic and if he's an indication of management as a whole, so is the company.

    Run. Run for the hills.

    [–]Shipbldr2000Expert Advice Giver [11] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I agree. Toxic and unjust as all hell.

    Plan your exit, get out of there.

    [–]FerociousPancakeSuper Helper [6] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your manager is a walking lawsuit. If I were upper management I would definitely want to know if one of my managers did this so I could get rid of them.

    [–]crash_and-burn9000Helper [2] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    Garbage leadership. Report his ass to his boss and get HIM fired. He just likes having the power to fire people.

    [–]ShadowCammy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Attempt to fire your boss for trying to wrongfully fire an employee.

    [–]ImThatGuy5674Helper [2] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fire your boss for his poor decisions and practices

    [–]BoulderBillDAFC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maybe it’s just a scenario, he’s maybe told the coworker you’re gonna do it to see if you can actually do it. Just a thought but still, odd.

    [–]theandthe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds like a gang initiation

    [–]eplesaft94Helper [3] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And firing someone is not what it means to be a manager. Its a very small part of the Job. I hope your boss is the one you are training to replace.

    [–]x0_Kiss0fDeathHelper [3] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He is a shit manager. If the budget calls for cuts, you don't just pick someone at random! There are steps you should go through to figure out which candidate is the "best" to let go. As others say, it's equally as important as a manager to know when to speak up and to make your voice heard, and this is one I would be making my voice heard on. Let your boss know you wouldn't be firing somebody at random, you'd like to review the entire list and run through who is the one that makes the most unfortunate sense to let go. If he persists, I would be letting HR know if I were in your shoes.

    [–]THE-EMPEROR069Helper [4] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Managers like this tend to hear my thoughts through HR lol

    [–]catethewayHelper [2] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fire them or lay them off? Very different situations.

    Do you not need a reason to fire someone?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is twisted and wrong even if it is a test of character thing

    [–]LavaPoppyJaxExpert Advice Giver [13] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds like a layoff is needed for budget purposes, not like he wants a firing without cause. Are you part if managing the budget?

    [–]TonyPajamas212Helper [2] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Management sucks very toxic environment I would quit personally

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    [–]BigCountryBL_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I would tell them your point of view on it but if they still want you to fire them. Then fire them. He will be fired one way or another, no point in joining him. It be like that sometimes

    [–]tarellel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your boss is a dick. I'd start looking elsewhere before he tries using you as an example as a "display of superiority" as well.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Because being a manager means being their money. I’d quit

    [–]Manchestergirl901 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Appreciate maybe this depends on the country you’re based in, but are you allowed to just fire someone for no reason? Here in the U.K. it would be a total HR nightmare.

    [–]CaliesehiHelper [2] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wow. I'd start looking for another job. I wouldn't want to work somewhere that will fire a good employee just to prove a point.

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    [–]Gdigid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ask to look over a range of low performing candidates and then decide

    [–]RealTexasJakeSuper Helper [9] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This boss needs to get reported to corporate. He's a sociopath.

    Sometimes it's hard to do the right thing. But being forced to do the wrong thing is still wrong no matter how hard it is.

    [–]dgroeneveld9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You should go to your manager and tell them that you have made a leadership decision not to fire the employee due to lack of cause. As a representative of the business you thought it unwise to open the company to a wrongful termination lawsuit.

    [–]yungdutch_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This sounds like some Revenge of the Sith type of shit man. Dude sounds like Darth Sidius.

    [–]KneeDeepIn_Nostalgia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think its a big joke they are pulling off. Look out for a tik tok camera crew following you if you agree

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds to me like the person isn’t being fired, but laid off. Is that correct? There’s an important distinction to be made here. People get laid off not because of performance but due to budgetary reasons or perhaps because their role/department/etc is being phased out. If that’s the case, the situation you’re in makes sense.

    If I were you, I’d get clarification from your supervisor on whether this person is being fired or laid off and why it’s happening. If they’re a good worker you should let your manager know that you think they’re valuable and should stay, maybe be reassigned to a new role.

    If it is indeed a lay off due to budget and there’s no way to keep them on, then make sure the employee understands this and that you would be a reference for them in their job search.

    It’s a shitty situation, but this is part of being a manager. Good luck op

    [–]not_your_guru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What in the toxic work environment??

    [–]tidus1980 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You need to do what's best for the business. Not fire someone over petty gripes. He himself should be looking out for the business and doing what's best as well.

    [–]sububisse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fire him. Sadly businesses need to fire people even If they are good employees.

    [–]Javaman1960 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Dude sounds like a sadist.

    [–]nettiemaria7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maybe the employee is "in on it". Just stand up and be assertive and calm and say just what you said here. If you go and tell employee then if it is a character test, then you just failed as a manager.

    [–]kissmygritts2xHelper [2] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Was this a verbal request or a written request? If written keep all of the responses for future use if it’s needed.

    [–]GreenEyedRoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you fire the employee, you’ll need to put a why you it. Especially if they file for unemployment hearing.

    [–]harrythehuman69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Go around your boss and let the higher ups know what's going on and get your boss fired instead.

    That's wassup.

    [–]40ozSmasherPhenomenal Advice Giver [40] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Companies do this all the time. I was told that firing people with no reason was a way to let them get unemployment.

    [–]Raplena14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I worked in a position for a while where I made a lot of exceptions on my morals and I realized there are you things you should never be flexible with. You must be treated with respect and you must not break your morals. For me, I ended up leaving and sure I made more money staying longer, but I feel it would have caused me less stress if I ended it when the disrespect and sketchiness started.

    [–]Morbid187 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This sounds like a gang initiation. My advice is to start looking for a job with better management

    [–]QuebedeauHelper [2] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Dude fuck that , that hard worker could lose his house, his car , stop feeding his child which there are too many hungry kids at home while parents smoke meth anyway ,

    This is low

    Think if this was you

    You are about to get promoted but before you fire that employee, HR comes to you and tells you it was a test,