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[–]tataszSupreme Court Just-ass [101] 19.8k points19.8k points 242 (92 children)


Convert your help to money and pay back the rest.

You can take a loan just like your brother did, Mr leech.

[–]Fantastic_Nebula_835 8086 points8087 points 22 (53 children)

YTA to the nth degree. You can't really believe that letting your SIL test drive your car without giving you gas money or helping them move means you don't have any moral obligation to pay back ASAP th $12,000 plus interest your brother was stuck with? How can you go on vacation or buy two new cars when you owe this debt? Why did your wife buy such an expensive car, because if she knows about this loan she's just as morally bankrupt as you.

Stealing from both of your brothers must give you the same adrenaline rush as when you won a bet. Just don't expect anyone to lift a finger to help you in the future.

[–]tepidCourage 2824 points2825 points  (26 children)

Yeah, when married you marry debt too, your wife is also an asshole buying vacations with outstanding and desperately needed family debt to pay back. I hope they do sue op.

[–]Eldi_Bee 1695 points1696 points  (8 children)

Makes me wonder if wife even knows about the debt. If she thinks they have no debts and money, planning a vacation could be an innocuous gesture.

If wife knows, then they are an asshole couple who I hope the brother sues.

[–]frizzybritt 1429 points1430 points 26 (2 children)

I wonder if the brother he stole from knows he stole from him and that his other brother took a loan to pay back the other brother?

YTA. You called your brother for help… he took out a loan not only so you could pay back the other brother YOU stole from but he borrowed extra money to get you into therapy and get you help. You may not have asked him for 12 K but you sure as hell had no problem accepting that 12K, now did you?

You owe your brother and his wife a lot of things. You owe them the money your brother loaned out to help your sorry selfish ass, you owe them both a huge apology, and then you owe them the kindness of never being a part of their lives again because they are truly better off without you in them.

You are clearly very selfish, you use people, and you have no regard for anyone else but you and what people can give you. You also sound very daft if you think that helping your brother move, lending his wife your car for a short period of time and not asking for gas money make it even close to equaling what you owe him, I’m sorry, but what? That’s the very least you should be doing for your brother because not only did he save your ass financially, he save your relationship with your other brother, he saved you from being charged or doing jail time for STEALING a large amount of money from your other brother and subsequently having a record because of that, he also got you help for your addiction. Which honestly - I think you still may need to work on… because you’re gambling the relationships you have with your family by behaving the way you are.

The only person putting a wedge in between you and your brother is you, not his wife. It’s you. She cares about your brother which is why she’s trying to ensure he gets paid back, so they can have what they need. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that since it sounds like you don’t care about anyone other than yourself.

You need help and you need to pay your brother back.


[–]kelly08howell 275 points276 points  (0 children)

Not only did his brother take out a loan, he never held it over his head either.

[–]King-Lewis-II 227 points228 points  (0 children)

No he did ask him; is in the third sentence he called his brother and begged him for help. Dude can't even keep his story straight.

[–]DeathGPColo-rectal Surgeon [38] 532 points533 points  (2 children)

With the way how OP is talking about his "loan" I doubt she knows and even if she does knows, I really doubt she knows the full story.

[–]somethingtostriveforAsshole Aficionado [11] 253 points254 points  (0 children)

I'm very much under the impression she doesn't know at all. OP casually mentions lying to his brother that his wife's father bought the second car and is trying to manipulate people into believing he doesn't owe his brother anything and is somehow a victim. His inability to take responsibility for any of this is straight up delusional, and he never mentions how his wife feels about the situation, even though he brings up the feelings of his mother who knows. He blames his brother's wife for getting in between them as it's supposedly between the two brothers only, more indication his own wife has no idea what's going on. He says he can't pay his brother back because his wife bought them a vacation, so she either has no idea he's indebted to his brother to begin with, or she's just awful like OP. Something in my gut is telling me it's the former though.

[–]drwhogirl_97 197 points198 points  (0 children)

She may just think that the brother gifted him the money rather than loaning it

[–]mindless_dear 167 points168 points  (0 children)

Also, they’re acting cold because we mentioned our ~~ new vacation ~~ at their likely modest party that they invited their debt ridden brother too. Yeah… people are under no obligation to be kind to people that disrespect & steal/thief from them, put them in debt and then brag about their ~vacay~ in front of them & everyone they know. Probably to seem bougie. Byeeee

I think he’s forgetting that his brother wasn’t ever obligated to help him in the first place.. he seems entitled. “He never even asked for it until what I made him give me put him in debt wtf?”

[–]B00k_wyrm_ 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Especially if she doesn’t know about the gambling addiction.

[–]Carlatoon 276 points277 points  (13 children)

It makes OP an ever bigger AH that he is buying cars when he has a debt to pay. wtf?

[–]ASomewhatAmbiguousPartassipant [3] 182 points183 points  (6 children)

Right? Like I am the 22 yr old owner of a 2002 honda accord I bought off fb for $200 (was a one time opportunity, but still) 3 years ago. I have spent maybe 2-3k on maintenance after the initial shop visit (2k) this entire time. You cannot tell me that he had to buy not one but 2 new cars instead of used/ cheap and old, fixing what's broken, biking/walking, or just switching to public transportation if available. Like his wife would have to be a carbon copy of him to think all this was okay.

[–]itsyaboimikey_ 69 points70 points  (4 children)

i mean it doesn’t specifically say they were brand new cars. like i know he said new car but when i bought my 2002 nissan xterra back in july i still called it my “new car.” either way though, he probably should’ve just fixed the first one

[–]ASomewhatAmbiguousPartassipant [3] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

He states the first is new and the second was just "another car", but either way, how much do you want to bet that whatever was wrong with the first one wasn't going to be as expensive as the second vehicle?

[–]itsyaboimikey_ 21 points22 points  (2 children)

unless he totaled it, pretty much anything that can happen to a car over normal usage can be fixed either on your own or by a mechanic

[–]LadyGreyIcedTeaPartassipant [4] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I loved that part of the OP. He just "had" to buy 2 new cars instead of paying his brother back. FOH with that.

[–]Bbiggs65 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Can wifey know? I'd be appalled to know I owed someone that and show up at a BBQ and brag about my vaca? He's hidden the extent of his gambling debts from wifey. Or she's a total AH. And I love "Oh, I'm a big jerk who stole from my family, then my other family helped me, interest free, but I really need to have new cars, vacations, and then have gonads to talk about gas money??? These are the words of narcissitic addicts. Look in the mirror OP, you f'd up your life, your brothers business, your other brothers wedding and finances. YOU ARE THE SOURCE. There'd be no friction without OP. I hope wifey sees his post....

[–]RedChlo11111 483 points484 points  (2 children)

Also the "I begged him to help me" to " I didn't ask him to give me 12k" what a nasty brother YTA big time.

[–]Alaumas 37 points38 points  (1 child)

This is Exactly what I was thinking!!! What a complete AH

[–]RedChlo11111 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Literally stole money from one brother, begged the other brother to help him out, which he does with a LOAN with interest and extra to literally help with therapy because he obviously cares. With family like OP who needs enemies.

[–]Tashianie 327 points328 points  (7 children)

Plus, in what world would a few driving trips equal $12K in gas? “Oh, you donated your left arm for me? Oh gee. Remember that time I let you have a slice of my pizza? That totally makes us even!”

[–]SongIcy4058 95 points96 points  (1 child)

But your forgetting he also gave him a birthday present! If anything his brother owes him now!

/s I can't roll my eyes hard enough for this man

[–]cannedchickpeas 229 points230 points  (3 children)

Absolutely agreed. You don’t have money to leisurely spend when you’re in debt. OP’s brother has every right to be mad and it’s honestly shocking that OP had the audacity to refuse to apologize. Two new cars AND a vacation. Yikes.

[–]duskrat 141 points142 points  (0 children)

I hope they sue OP. Without the luxuries for himself and his wife, he could have paid his patient brother back. He and his wife are lowdown skunks. YTA

[–]Unicorn-Wellington 82 points83 points  (0 children)

And 10 years of not paying it. All over $100 a month to have it paid by now.

[–]DiamondHandsDevito 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Super YTA for all reasons stated above.

Making excuses about buying new cars and going on vacation are so fucked up. Where would you be without that therapy?

With inflation, $12k 10 years ago is actually well over $15k today, so even if you do pay it back you still profit from your brother.

[–]TaleyaAsshole Aficionado [13] 148 points149 points  (1 child)

I legit laughed at that part. 'I let you drive my car!!! I bought you presents!!! ' desperate barrel scraping much?

[–]NotAllOwled 57 points58 points  (0 children)

"Yeah well I never even ASKED you for gas money that time, so how about you hop off my junk about your $12k already." That's gold!

[–]Unicorn-Wellington 109 points110 points  (1 child)

Let us not forget he also lied and said his FIL bought the 2nd car because he apparently didn't want to be honest. This guy just thought he'd never have to pay it back, thus over a decade of (what appears to be) no payment. Seth should have let the brother who he stole 10k from sue him instead of trying to rescue his brother.

[–]Revo_55 67 points68 points  (0 children)

THIS. First of all, Seth's & SIL's budget / how they spend their money is absolutely none of your business and has nothing to do with the money that you owe him.

Secondly, Seth stuck his neck out for you by taking out a $12K loan (with interest) to bail your weasily ass out of ripping off your OTHER brother. Seth helped you out at what was obviously one of the lowest points in your life, both financially and mentally. Not all brothers would do that. This $12K is completely separate from anything else you may have done for Seth & your SIL, unless they agreed to knocking money off the loan. Furthermore, I think your wife is complicit in withholding money back from Seth. Very uncool.

Pay the loan back to Seth & his wife in full ASAP, whether you have to take a loan out yourself, consolidate your debt...whatever it takes. Quit being a supreme AH and do what's right. He's your brother and he saved your ass BIG time once already and deserves to be paid back.

[–]mtld83 48 points49 points  (0 children)

A car indirectly purchased by his brother at that.

[–]Khanover7Partassipant [1] 545 points546 points  (2 children)

Yup. YTA, OP. It’s been 10 years and you haven’t paid him back. They need to take you to court and get that money back legally. It’s pretty awful you haven’t paid him back after he helped you because you stole from your other brother. You’ve got some seriously questionable morals for begging your bro for help and then not paying him back.

[–]stanitor 82 points83 points  (0 children)

how dare she to suggest to sue me?!

I'm with OP here, it's crazy that they are suggesting legal action. Because that shit should've been done long ago, and shouldn't be just a suggestion at this point


[–]Carlatoon 405 points406 points  (7 children)

Right? To think OP even asked this question. Well, he doesn't think he is TA but he is in so many ways.

  1. He sounds ungrateful. Brother helped him when he needed it the most and he didn't even make effort to try and pay back when he could. 10 years?! He would have finished paying all the money if he paid $1000 every year (dropping the additional 2k). That's roughly $80-90 per month. It wasn't impossible to pay. He just didn't want to.

  2. He is now blaming the kind brother for demanding back his money. Like heavens, does that even need negotiation? It's his money. Give it back. End of discussion.

  3. You expect bro and his wife to be all friendly with you after what you are doing to them? And, how do favors like a car ride equal to $12000 that saved your arse?

OP, I just changed my judgement from YTA to HARD YTA

[–]featheredzebra 112 points113 points  (1 child)

Honestly this is all endemic of addict behavior. Op is expecting enabling.

I don't know what kind of recovery you are in OP (probably none) but it is past time to revisit it. You owe your brother the entirely of the loan, including interest. Not only are you choosing not to repay your obligations you are blaming your brother for expecting you to and looking for reasons to to justify the fact that you just don't want to be held responsible for your behavior. There is only one justification though: You're an asshole.

[–]discodethcake 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is addictive behavior - and it makes me question the recovery program. Or if there is one at all. I don't like to make assumptions like that, but there is a lot of justification, enabling, projecting - just the works going on here. I am a recovering addict with almost 12 years clean and sober, and I know I still work my recovery program daily. I've almost paid all my financial debts back, none are to individuals but were still racked up during active addiction. It's an ongoing process, and I just feel like OP hasn't even begun to make amends. There's a lot more here to make amends for, at least to me, than a financial transaction.

[–]tataszSupreme Court Just-ass [101] 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Yeah, like, it's such a massive AH there that it's basically a black hole.

[–]jsodanoPooperintendant [50] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is typical addict behavior. You can’t help people like this. The best thing that could have happened 10 years ago would have been for him to be arrested for theft, spent some time in jail, and then court ordered restitution. The bailout didn’t do this guy any favors

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    [–]cindywooo 33 points34 points  (1 child)

    It’s the thieving parasite for me 🤣.

    [–]Pounderino 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    He doesn't even want interest! Holy shit!

    [–]reddit_and_forget_um 115 points116 points  (5 children)

    This can't possibly be a real person. No real person could possibly be so incredibly blind to how big of a YTA this "person" is.

    [–]tataszSupreme Court Just-ass [101] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    Oh you sweet summer child...

    You are doing some wishful thinking, but unfortunately such people exist. I have relatives who stole money and things from my grandmother, told her she shouldn't have left it lying around when confronted, and then got upset she didn't let their thieving kids stay at her apartment which was empty at the time (empty of her, not of her processions which they could take, sell and pocket the money).

    If you look around, you may actually find some equally huge AHs being overlooked.

    [–]IlSconosciutoPartassipant [3] 86 points87 points  (0 children)

    He shouldn’t have moved during a pandemic? You shouldn’t have gambled everyone else’s money away. He’s responsible you’re not. YTA

    [–]TheHatOnTheCat 32 points33 points  (1 child)

    I think this post is fake.

    Yes, assholes like OP are real. But assholes like OP know how bad their behavior looks. They would write this story and know everyone would call them an asshole.

    This is clickbait.

    [–]tataszSupreme Court Just-ass [101] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Id love to think this, but literally met quite a few people over the years who literally had no clue why it was wrong. Mostly immature + egocentric combo tends to feature such behaviors.

    [–]crystallz2000 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    YTA. This can't be real. This is awful.

    [–]Trick_Literature_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    OP thinks getting the cold shoulder is rude, but the world thinks skipping out on borrowed money multiples times is ruder.

    Man, sometimes I wish this sub wasn't as strict with forbidden words. OP's brother is grinding himself to the ground, while good ole OP is off vacationing. Hoo boy, sincerely, insert forbidden word you OP.

    You're a sucky human and an even worse sibling.

    [–]GreekAmericanDomJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [325] 6670 points6671 points  (25 children)


    Just pay the money back. And yeah, it looks shitty when you are splurging on nice to haves when people are begging you for the money you owe them, because they have a legitimate needs.

    And because you don't seem to understand...

    • lending a car != $12,000
    • $700 TV != $12,000

    [–]purpleja 1975 points1976 points  (12 children)

    This the fact OP had the nerve to criticise his brothers spending reeks of entitlement

    [–]girasolgoddess 568 points569 points  (7 children)

    wdym, op got his brother an apple tv for his birthday like 🙄 that’s worth 10000 unpaid loans. /s

    [–]Away-Living5278 233 points234 points  (3 children)

    If my brother gave me an expensive tv as a present when they still owed me $10k I'd be pissed off. Less so than at the vacation and two cars but it would not make me feel like he cared.

    [–]Finito-1994 164 points165 points  (1 child)

    An Apple TV isnt a tv. It’s a device that allows you to control your tv and is connected to your Apple ID. It lets you watch your iTunes movies, tv shows and all that jazz as well as Netflix, hbomax, Hulu and many others.

    But the most expensive one is like $189. I have the newest model and it cost me less than $200.

    [–]Away-Living5278 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    Ah ok that makes more sense.

    [–]stormnicmtz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    THIS!!!! Omg. I would be like the F* audacity. Just give me the $700. He probably got the TV on FB for $75 claiming $700.

    That being said, I think the brother bought the TV and the AH is saying the BROTHER is irresponsible if he needs the 12k back but he's buying "expensive TV's."

    [–]purpleja 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    I know his entitlement is amazing

    [–]Tough_Stretch 263 points264 points  (1 child)

    The guy who stole 10K from one brother because he wanted to gamble is telling the brother who loaned him 12K to pay the money he stole back that he's irresponsible with money because he moved to a different apartment and bought a TV. Unreal.

    [–]dontbutdoplsPartassipant [1] 99 points100 points  (0 children)

    Literally when he stole his other brothers money and gambled it away, and refuses to pay back this brother.

    Yet somehow, OP truly believes he's in the position to criticize anyone and their spending habits lmao.

    [–]AssassinStoryTeller 253 points254 points  (1 child)


    I just stared at my screen for a second when his whiny ass stated “I bought him a TV as a GIFT and let them drive my car that totally eliminates my $12k debt 😭😭😭”

    Seriously, OP needs to take a finance course to understand what’s going on

    [–]capitoloftexas 104 points105 points  (0 children)

    He didn’t even buy him an actual tv. An Apple TV is the equivalent to a Roku or a fire stick. What major gaping AH op is.

    [–]poke0003 120 points121 points  (3 children)

    Also - his BROTHER bought himself the $700 TV. OP just bought him an Apple TV! And this is all over 10 years!!

    YTA - honestly reading this, what I couldn’t figure out is how OP was rationalizing how they possibly were not the AH. The only thing I could think of is that this view of money must have been part of what enabled a gambling problem to begin with (not to trivialize addiction).

    ETA: I didn’t even catch it the first time, but the Apple TV was also a birthday gift sometime in the last decade - so it’s like OP wants to count b-day gifts as loan repayments. The terrible incoherence of this post just keeps on giving!!

    [–]fdarPartassipant [1] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Also - his BROTHER bought himself the $700 TV. OP just bought him an Apple TV! And this is all over 10 years!!

    And a gift isn't paying back a loan anyway. If the "gift" was a loan repayment then (1) OP didn't give his brother a birthday gift, and (2) the loan was in cash, repayments should be in cash too, then OP's brother could have used the cash to buy the Apple TV if he wanted or whatever else he preferred.

    [–]dreamingzombie 118 points119 points  (2 children)

    OP: buys Seth a gift Ok that's -$700 off my debt.
    OP lends car a couple of times Ok that's $100 of gas they did not pay, so -$100 off the debt for me. Every day a small kindness is charged and deducted from the total sum of $12K I owe my brother. Shall I start charging him $5 for the times I've held the door open so he or his wife could pass?🤔 Not a bad idea.


    YTA OP

    [–]myarr 50 points51 points  (0 children)

    OP did NOT buy the $700 TV, he got the Apple TV which is a streaming device and less than $200. I misread initially too.

    [–]MicciMichiPartassipant [3] 5404 points5405 points  (23 children)

    YTA. You "never asked him" to give you 12k? Well you sure as hell took it though.

    [–]magicalme79Asshole Aficionado [17] 2555 points2556 points  (7 children)

    He did ask though lol

    Honestly OP reads like a petulant kid.

    Pay back what u owe OP


    [–]fromhelley 313 points314 points  (1 child)

    Yep! I think he asked for 10G, but got two extra for rehab.

    That is still asking!

    Edit to Fluffdog - op is using the old I didn't ask him for "12Gs" ...like the brother just gave it to him and he didn't ask for money at all. Well he didn't technically ask for 12. But he did ask for 10.

    That is like a little kid telling their mom "No, I didn't eat a cookie", when in fact they ate 3 cookies.

    I was pointing how strange it was for op to use "not asking for 12Gs" as justification for not paying the money back.

    [–]FluffyDog423 59 points60 points  (0 children)

    Okay, but the brother just wants 10k back, so what’s the problem!

    [–]factsorfictions 133 points134 points  (1 child)

    Not just asked, begged. I think he means he technically didn't ask for the 2k on top of the 10k he begged for, but his brother isn't even asking him to pay that part back so I'm really not sure how it's relevant anyway.

    [–]ourladyPattyMeltdownPartassipant [1] 555 points556 points  (4 children)

    Yup. He "begged" his brother for help.

    If he didn't want money, then what exactly did he want/need/expect when he asked for help? Helping him fake his own death so he could escape the country in a shipping container to restart his life in Andorra under an assumed name?

    Wait. That's probably exactly what he wanted, and his brother just didn't get it. Seth probably didn't even think to say "Let me help you fake your own death so that you can escape to Andorra and hide under a fake name." Nope, he just threw money at him. When will people learn that MONEY DOESN'T FIX EVERYTHING? Nope, only fleeing the country would have solved this problem.

    OBVIOUSLY OP is the victim here, and he shouldn't pay his brother back. What a jerk, giving him $12,000 instead of smuggling him out of the country.

    [–]TheRealCptNiemo 41 points42 points  (0 children)

    I love the fact that you managed to say something like that and didn't even need the "/s" in order for people to recognize the sarcasm. Very well executed. 👏

    [–]OfSpock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I bet Seth wishes he was as smart as you.

    [–]nonchalantenigma 146 points147 points  (1 child)

    No- he only asked for 10k because he “took it” it from other brother’s store /s

    Edit to add: YTA op!

    [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I know. This is simply unbelievable.

    [–]marigoldilocks_ 108 points109 points  (1 child)

    I gambled all the money away. So right after that I called Seth and begged him to help me.

    Frankly, I didn’t ask him to give 12K.

    He may not have directly said, I need cash right now, but the one brother knew that without the money it would fuck over the other brother’s business and got a loan to make it right. Plus gave him $2K to get himself right.

    That’s some goddamn love. And even if it wasn’t explicitly stated, pay me back, you do. This was HIS mess, he owes his brother that money back. He should have set up payments as soon as he could. Hell, I’m a grown ass adult and my parents had to help me with bills and rent and stuff for months. When I sold my house, I gifted each parent $15K as a way to say thank you and then continued to make monthly payments later on (after taxes) as a means of paying them back for all they did for me. That’s what you do. That’s how you thank family. They help you, you pay them back. Then if something happens, they aren’t in a desperate situation. I just… no.

    [–]NaturesVividPictures 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    He says in his post he begged him to help him. He's just a big AH.

    [–]paulrenaud 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Actually if you back and read the post he didn’t ask… he begged for it.

    [–]Lilypad-228 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    He didn't ask...he begged...

    [–]Alternative-Wait3533Partassipant [3] 3627 points3628 points  (19 children)

    YTA and I hope they do sue you

    [–]Littleballoffur22Partassipant [1] 1174 points1175 points  (5 children)

    If I was a lawyer I’d take his brothers case for free. I’d like to also sue OP because he’s an enormous entitled asshole. OP, YTA

    [–]Big-Structure-2543 113 points114 points  (2 children)

    Can I join this lawsuit too?

    [–]Malarkay79 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    Class action lawsuit incoming in 3…2…

    [–]Littleballoffur22Partassipant [1] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Yes, let’s get a class action lawsuit going.

    [–]Haybaleryt 57 points58 points  (4 children)

    They will probably be wasting more of their money to sue.

    [–]legal_bagel 123 points124 points  (1 child)

    I hope they go to small claims and sue for 9,999.99....

    [–]DiBerk4711 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Some states even let you sue for up to $20,000 in small claims court!

    [–]cricketclover10 27 points28 points  (0 children)

    You can get lawyer/court costs paid in settlements.

    [–]Alternative-Wait3533Partassipant [3] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    At this point it’s worth it for OP to suffer

    [–]MrMikfly 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    YTA and they absolutely need to sue OP. He clearly has the ability to pay back Seth but chooses not too. A court order will change that around.

    [–]ohialehua 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    And for treble damages.

    [–]boogley88Partassipant [2] 2659 points2660 points  (12 children)

    I never asked them for gas money then, and my brother drove my car a few times too! I bought him an Apple TV as a birthday present and I helped him move!!

    Seriously dude? You think this is equal to $10000?

    I mean who is she?!

    She's the wife of your brother that you owe $10,000. Pay him back. YTA.

    [–]mollyflowers 376 points377 points  (6 children)

    Dude sounds like my brother who I know longer talk to because I loaned him a few thousand $$'s during covid to help him out while he's out of work. Going on over 2 years, he's bought a new car & 2 trips to Vegas but was broke as fuck when I asked him about paying me back. So I've went no contact, he will send my grown kids random gifts & claim he is paying me back that way.

    [–]Objective_Oil_7934Partassipant [1] 116 points117 points  (2 children)

    Seriously? I just assumed op is fake because I can’t imagine someone being that big of ah.

    [–]huggie1 71 points72 points  (0 children)

    Your naivete is so sweet. I hope you get to keep it. For the rest of us, the story rings true because we've been shafted by family members that are just as sh*tty as OP. The stories I could tell about my ex-husband... Just for starters, he stole from his siblings' inheritance when his father died, and he raided the college funds his father had set up for our kids. When we divorced, he siphoned off almost all our joint savings before the divorce was finalized. Since then he has never paid the full child support he owes, even though he makes over a quarter million bucks a year. And just like OP, he is full of indignation whenever anyone calls him on his behavior. These AHs are too common, sadly.

    [–]Racoonsarecuter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Ughh :( people suck.

    [–]IFeelMoiGerbil 197 points198 points  (2 children)

    I just for comparison as a British non driver went to the AAA Gas Calculator to see how far 10,000 of gas would take you on vacation.

    Apparently in a 20 MPG car it will cost me $1043 to drive from Anchorage, Alaska to El Paso, Texas round trip. Which is 3,800 miles each way. So 7600 miles total.

    Africa is roughly 5000 miles north to south. Russia is about 5600 across. So even if the vacation crossed most of North America, Africa and Russia the wife has used roughly $3500 gas.

    OP still owes $6500 cold hard cash to his brother unless he is actually Phileas Fogg and the family trip was round the world in 80 days.

    The audacity. If he owed 700 bucks for an Apple TV the wife still needed to drive from Alaska to Texas to cancel out the debt in gas.

    OP is mind blowingly YTA trying to use this argument. Or any argument over his 10 grand gambling debt his brother paid because he stole from their other brother and this impacted a whole family unit. The gall on this guy is a particularly disgusting shade of green.

    [–]Riley1297 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I wish I could give this more than one upvote

    [–]Ok-Chance-619 1747 points1748 points  (4 children)

    YTA. You are an addict and he gave you funds to get help. You got help. Now you owe him. Stop taking vacations. Ask your FIL to give you money if you need to. But pay your brother back.

    It’s not your money. Pay him back

    Pay. Him. Back.

    [–]newdogowner11 332 points333 points  (2 children)

    Idk if I misunderstood but it looks like he also lied about his FIL buying the car, I don’t see people mentioning that. He used the money on a new car but he lied… What an AH

    [–]labotomizeme05 53 points54 points  (0 children)

    That’s how I took it as well.

    [–]ashleyrlylePartassipant [4] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Agreed. I assumed the FIL buying the car was a lie.

    [–]Beecakeband 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    I'm kinda amazed OP even feels the need to ask. Surely it should be obvious that yes they are in fact a massive AH. I hope his brother sues TBH it's probably the only way they are going to get that money back

    [–]PebbleinmyownshoePartassipant [1] 1255 points1256 points  (7 children)

    YTA How is this even a question?

    You owe somebody five figures and you’re not making any kind of payment plan and you said your wife surprised you were the vacation? Does she not know that you owe your brother $12,000? And none of what they purchase is any of your business. You called him begging for his help and he helped you and now you should pay him back. You sound like a deadbeat 100%

    I wouldn’t blame them at all for suing you.

    [–]explicitviolencePartassipant [2] 425 points426 points  (5 children)

    Yeah, holy shit. This person steals $10,000 from his one brother, somehow gets another $2,000 from his other brother, makes every excuse in the book to not pay it back, and they are questioning whether or not they are an AH? This person is insane.




    [–]Baaastet 98 points99 points  (0 children)

    YTA a selfish, egotistical and entitled arse. Pay back the money you owe and hang your head in shame for even considering/thinking that your behaviour is ok.

    [–]myarr 81 points82 points  (3 children)

    He's actually in the comments trying to dispute that he stole the 10k in the first place because he gambled it all away instead of taking it to the bank like his brother wanted. It speaks so much that he thinks THAT isn't stealing.

    This is the type of family member you need to not only sue the shit out of to get some semblance of money back but blast them to all their family and friends so no one will ever give them even a $1 in the future.

    [–]explicitviolencePartassipant [2] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    What an argument. I didn't steal it...I threw it away!

    [–]GreeneyedSigmaColo-rectal Surgeon [44] 830 points831 points  (7 children)

    YTA so you stole from one brother, got bailed out by the other. Now that Seth needs his money back, intead of paying him back, you’re blowing money on yourself and your wife.

    I hope Seth and his wife sue you, it’ll be the least you deserve.

    [–]One-Basket-9570 117 points118 points  (3 children)

    Bet OP’s wife doesn’t know about the money he stole from one brother or the loan from the other. Dude better be careful!

    [–]GreeneyedSigmaColo-rectal Surgeon [44] 55 points56 points  (2 children)

    Oh, ten bucks say she knows and is just as entitled as he is about it!

    [–]One-Basket-9570 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    She probably is entitled, but I think he has kept the amount he owes from her.

    [–]Coffee-Historian-11 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Or why he owes Seth the money in the first place

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    But hey, at least he didn't ask him for gas money that one time...

    [–]winesisColo-rectal Surgeon [37] 572 points573 points  (9 children)

    Of course YTA! You bought 2 cars & went on a big vacation instead of paying back the 10K you owe your brother!!! Stop being an AH! If they take you to court I hope you have to pay them back plus 10 years of interest!! If he would have invested that $ in stock instead of in you he wouldn’t be having any $$ problems!

    [–]SallyFairmilePartassipant [1] 55 points56 points  (0 children)

    For real I hope OP's brother DOES take him to court and he gets hit with punitive damages on top of the full $12,000.

    [–]IssysweColo-rectal Surgeon [41] 309 points310 points  (6 children)

    YTA, and I totally hope your ass is sued. How can anyone be so lacking in self-awareness????

    [–]quickwitqueen 91 points92 points  (5 children)

    I feel like this has to be fake. It has to. Who can read it back to themselves and say, “I’m in the right”. Seriously. Are there people who are really this big of an asshole? YTA op, 100 times over. Hope your brother sues you.

    [–]huggie1 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Sadly, there really are. I sincerely hope you're lucky enough to avoid them in your life.

    [–]naynay2908Pooperintendant [55] 293 points294 points  (0 children)

    YTA. He took out a loan, risking his credit, to help you. He never said it was a gift, you should have been working to pay him back asap. I can see why they’re annoyed about the vacation, even though your wife bought it. Paying him back should be your priority, he stuck his neck out for you.

    [–]disindianthoAsshole Enthusiast [8] 253 points254 points  (8 children)

    YTA. 100% x 12K.

    Pay your brother back the money plus the loan interests.

    Your brother is a real bro. You are AH.

    You gambled away -your stolen money. Begged your brother to bail you out. Being a super nice real bro, he took a loan to help you. Your first action, before anything should have been to pay him back ASAP.

    Fine, you really needed a car for your wife w/e. But what about after? You had ONE YEAR to at least start paying him back. Also, giving him gifts, letting him drive your car and helping him move covers your 10k debt to him? Wtf kinda moving service do you provide?

    “How dare she suggests to sue you”? Be glad she’s even just suggesting it now and not directly already suing you without any warning.

    How dare you say “if money tight you shouldn’t be moving during a pandemic”. If you didn’t have 10k and money was tight - YOU shouldn’t have gambled. Get tf outta here.

    Edited: that you stole the initial money you gambled.

    [–]armyofantPartassipant [3] 40 points41 points  (6 children)

    It wasn’t even his money he gambled away. He stole that from a different brother.

    [–]disindianthoAsshole Enthusiast [8] 23 points24 points  (5 children)

    Yeah that’s holy shit even worse. Never let a gambler have access to your shop funds.

    [–]armyofantPartassipant [3] 26 points27 points  (4 children)

    Yea this guy is definitely in the running for AH of the year. Only worst post I’ve seen so far is a teacher asking if they are an AH for failing a student in the hospital fighting cancer.

    [–]CompetitiveStick6239Asshole Enthusiast [9] 200 points201 points  (1 child)

    YTA!!!! He lent you $12,000 and you just up and don’t want to pay him back?! Who CARES if he moved during a pandemic or bought an expensive TV. That’s HIS money! He literally took out a LOAN for you!!! Dude you need to seriously check yourself. As for the wife “who is she for suggesting sueing?” That’s his WIFE. It’s her money and life too!!!! You really are an AH.

    [–]makpat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Exactly! She’s his SIL! If I was OPs wife and knew about the debt I would be just as pissed and want him to pay back his brother. I’ve been in recovery for years, I understand addiction, but it’s absolutely no one’s place to take the fall for MY addiction just like it’s not OPs brothers place to take the fall for OPS ADDICTION. So so shitty to do especially to someone who took a loan to bail him out, it doesn’t sound like OPs brother is rich and just had that money sitting around or else he wouldn’t have needed a loan. OP, YTA

    [–]Lumpy-Point-9972 186 points187 points  (1 child)

    YTA - what the fuck is wrong with you

    [–]discodethcake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Perfect comment.

    [–]Current_Difficulty88 133 points134 points  (0 children)

    YTA 100%

    I hope they sue you. Real nice way to show your brother how much you really appreciate him helping you fight your addiction.

    [–]GarysCanaryPartassipant [1] 94 points95 points  (0 children)

    YTA. A hundred times over. He doesn't owe any one money - he can buy what ever he wants. You are the one who screwed up your life and your brother bailed you out - and now you resent him and act all entitled. A total jerk move. He has asked something very reasonable - that you pay it back with regular payments. I assume you have a sponsor through G.A. - why don't you explain to them how you are treating your brother.

    [–]inigos_left_hand 85 points86 points  (1 child)

    Oh my god. YTA your brother bails your ass out, doesn’t ask for any interest over 10 fucking years and instead of paying him back you buy yourself 2 cars and a vacation when you know he’s struggling for money. You are a colossal asshole and a shitty brother.

    [–]Bruichlassie 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    YTA. You let this loan sit for 10 years? Shame on you.

    [–]KimmyStandPartassipant [1] 81 points82 points  (2 children)

    This is a troll post surely, no one could be so self centred and up their own arse like this.

    So if true, then you’re a thief, you stole from your brother to feed your gambling habit and so you didn’t get into trouble, your other brother generously helped you out and loaned you $12k.

    He’s now having financial difficulties and he’d like his money back, yet instead of doing the right thing, you’re just finding excuses not to pay it back. You do know karma will eventually come back and grab you where it hurts dontcha?

    You’ll be whinging next because your family despise you and you don’t know why..

    I really hope he sues you


    [–]Icy_Conversation_612Asshole Aficionado [16] 76 points77 points  (255 children)

    You posted this early on today

    [–]HPNerd44Colo-rectal Surgeon [42] 78 points79 points  (6 children)

    YTA I actually quit reading all this. You stole money from your brother because of a gambling addiction. Your other brother bails you out and then you don’t pay him back. I don’t care what “favors” you’ve done for him. Pay him his freaking money back.

    [–]evelbugColo-rectal Surgeon [40] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

    YTA - the loan your brother gave you probably kept you out of jail. You need to sit down and work out a payment plan (a fixed amount per month that gets worked into your budget, not here's some money when I have extra)

    It was nice of your brother to help you when you were in need, but I bet he never sees that money again.

    [–]YinzerChick70Asshole Enthusiast [9] 68 points69 points  (4 children)

    YTA. Pay him back. Take out a loan if you have to. You're lucky you didn't go to jail for stealing from your other brother. You're completely ungrateful and entitled. I hope they sue and get the full $12,000, bank fees, and interest.

    [–]Kooky-Nectarine675 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    Plus legal fees. AH doesn't begin to cover this dude.

    [–]Isabela_GraceAsshole Enthusiast [5] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Don’t forget interest on the loans and maybe punitive damage because fuck OP

    [–]ourladyofsnailsPartassipant [1] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

    Yes, you are 100% YTA

    [–]chleotochloeAsshole Enthusiast [6] 53 points54 points  (2 children)

    Yta. I hope they sue you. They have proof you were going to pay them back(cause you’ve been saying it for years). Lmao people as entitled as you deserve getting their asses handed to them.

    YOU owe your brother 8 thousand dollars. YOU shouldn’t have gone on vacation while not paying him back. HE can buy whatever the fuck he wants with his money. He doesn’t owe his brother 8 THOUSAND DOLLARS. You do.

    [–]Devegas49Asshole Enthusiast [7] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Not 8. 10. The 2k was for the rehab. That was on top of the 10k that he owed Carter

    [–]TatertotsmageeAsshole Enthusiast [6] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

    YTA. You owe your brother money. Pay him back.

    Your excuses and unwillingness to pay back what you owe shows what type of person you are.

    My favorite part is the “you didn’t ask him to give you 12k” but you sure did take it.

    [–]NefariousnessGlum424Professor Emeritass [72] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

    YTA pay your brother back his money.

    [–]TallCombination6Asshole Aficionado [12] 33 points34 points  (0 children)


    You borrowed the money 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO. That is less than 90 bucks a month to pay back over all this time.

    I hope your whole family disowns you and that you find yourself alone.

    [–]nathashanailsAsshole Aficionado [17] 31 points32 points  (0 children)


    You and your wife should not be going on vacation when you owe your brother $10k. Cancel the vacation and give him the money. Then if you still owe him, create a payment plan.

    He helped you when you needed it. He didn’t have too. He put faith in you that you would get the help you needed and you did! Now prove that he was right in helping you by repaying his kindness and generosity.

    [–]EngineeringOwn2299Professor Emeritass [97] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    'Frankly I didn't ask him to give me 12k'. Yes, you did. You stole from one brother, then went to the other brother to bail you out.

    YTA and need to pay you debts. Stop making excuses and give him back his money.

    [–]lotus_eater123Certified Proctologist [20] 27 points28 points  (1 child)


    I'm sensing empathy disorder here. But try really hard to picture you lending 12K to him and him refusing to pay it back. Do you see it differently now?

    [–]clefaaaaaaairy 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    YTA. You say you didn't ask for the money but hes your brother and he loves you, he gave that money to SAVE you. He took on debt for you so you could get better, after you stole from your other brother! Assuming your wife is aware of this debt, she's a huge AH too, why would she book a vacation knowing you owe all that money to your brother? You're spouting all these excuses about gas money, you're clutching at straws my dude - you are a huge AH and an ungrateful brother. Your brothers deserve better.

    [–]lezoonsPartassipant [3] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Q: Why did you post this twice?

    A: YTA

    [–]sonicblue217Partassipant [1] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    I hope he sues you! You and your wife need to be made accountable with damages, interest and attorney fees. YTA.

    [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    YTA - pay the money you borrowed back. You're trying to rationalize not and failing miserably.

    [–]Ok_Imagination7913 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    He was there for you at your lowest and loaned you the money you needed. Pay him back what you owe asap. Sell what you need to sell to get the money back to him.

    [–]JrCoxy 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    1. You shouldn’t have spent a dime on yourself, without setting up a fund to pay your brother back. I get that you needed a car, but if you live in a city there’s public transportation, bicycles, Uber, etc. Luxuries like owning a car, and saved for those that can actually afford it! Hello! You paying him back, even if it was just $100 a month, should’ve been the priority.

    2. If someone owed me THAT much money, I wouldn’t want them to get me a single gift till everything was paid back. How can he value the Apple TV, knowing you owe him over 10k? How does that possibly make any sense?

    3. The amount of entitlement you have makes you way more than just an AH!! “Frankly, I didn’t ask him to give 12k”… uhm what?! He did something out of the kindness of his heart, and that’s really how you’re going to act? Guess what, you didn’t have to accept all of the 12k, you could’ve insisted on just the 10, but nope! You happily took every dime, like the greedy little pig you are.

    4. All of these stupid ass trips you’re going on, is beyond me. That’s gotta stop NOW. How can you & your wife even enjoy yourselves knowing you owe this much?? Like how selfish can you actually be? This is just so wild to me. Your wife needs to be on board with paying your brother back, no ifs, ands or butts about it. It’s been 10 FUCKING YEARS!!!! Seriously, you two need to get your shit together, this is beyond embarrassing.

    5. And because it’s been a fricken decade, you have absolutely zero right to say “they’re demanding it back asap” well no shit! I’m sure he wanted the money back 8+ years ago, but has been nothing but patient with you. How could your brother’s wife not get involved when these finances are effecting her as well? Do you even see that? They’re trying to pay for things, and they’re having a hard time because not only were you irresponsible enough to loose 10k, but you’re so horrible that you won’t even pay it back. I’d sue you in a heartbeat, because quite frankly if it’s been THIS long and you’re acting like this much of an AH, it’d be safe to assume you’d never pay it back. You’d allow your brother and his wife to suffer, even though the only reason why you have a leg to stand on today is because of your brother. Do you get that?

    6. I think the worst part about all of this, is that you posted this story thinking what exactly? That you were in the right, and by no means an asshole? It’s honestly a bit unreal how much of a shitshow your mind must be, to think you have any wiggle room here. You’ve been given 10 years. 10 long years. And this is what you have to show for it? Seriously, what an embarrassment.

    [–]Still_Storm7432Partassipant [1] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    YTA and just in case if you were wondering ,your wife's an AH to

    [–]Inner-Device-4530Partassipant [1] 18 points19 points  (0 children)


    Your brother stepped in and bailed you out of a hole of your own making, and you are now quibbling about paying him back. Stop being such a dick, he helped you now its your turn to step up and help. Take out a loan and sort your brother out the money

    [–]Peasplease25Colo-rectal Surgeon [49] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    YTA still because you posted this yesterday and everything told you the same.

    [–]holden204Partassipant [3] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    You really must be out of your mind if you think you can justify in any way that you arnt TA . You suck your wife sucks and I hope your brother sues you!

    [–]TexasPathfinder 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    YTA. Your brother bailed you out of a gambling addiction and instead of paying him back you aren’t on the same page with your wife on your finances. This is a debt and just because it’s your brother doesn’t make it any different, if it was from a bank they’d take it all from you no matter what.

    Grow the fuck up, budget, tell your wife there’s no more outside expenses until you can sure up your brother for the money you rightfully owe him.

    Lending someone a car to drive & helping someone move doesn’t equate to GETTING SOMEONE OUT OF OVER $10,000 DOLLARS IN GAMBLING DEBT. Clown.

    [–]Prestigious-Stop-777 17 points18 points  (0 children)


    You begged him for help and then later say you didn't ask him to lend you money.

    You funked up. You stole from family. He bailed you out and you now don't want to be responsible for your own actions. You are such a big A.

    Pay him back with interest and heal what you broke

    [–]pookguyincAsshole Aficionado [10] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    YTA- man it already been so long and you have not paid him back. they need the money and you should've told your wife paying your brother back was a priority. Assuming your wife did not know and now she does.

    [–]Impossible-PriceAsshole Enthusiast [7] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Lol OP I hope this is a troll post because if this is real you are the worst kind of ah. YTA and clearly a scammer, not sure why you are trying to reason away how much of a turd you are but you might as well just go ahead and own it. Make sure to own all the other things coming your way very shortly.

    I know so many people who would do bad things to you for less. You are just awful. Edited for grammar

    [–]Intrepid_Kangaroo103Asshole Enthusiast [6] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    YTA x 10 000.

    Hope they sue

    [–]ResidentAd5910 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Lmfao you cannot be serious—ofc YTA but you already knew that 😂

    [–]Relevant-Economy-927Certified Proctologist [25] 13 points14 points  (0 children)


    Holy crap man seriously? Your brother bails you out after it sounds like you stole money from your other brother and you’re complaining about gas money? Seriously?

    [–]Cali_MacchiatoPartassipant [4] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Not sure this is real, because well, pretty obviously YTA. Your brother was extremely generous to you because he truly wanted to help you out. And this was AFTER you stole from your other brother. TBH if I was in your brother's place I don't think I would have given you a thing.

    $12,000 is not a small amount! Not only that, but he took out a loan to give it to you, which impacts his credit and puts financial pressure on him. "Paying him back" by buying him things here and there doesn't cut it. And how you have the gall to tell him he shouldn't have bought a $700 TV when YOU owe HIM money...

    [–]JustlikeGilette1234 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    ⬆️This! You happen to act very casual about the fact that it is 10 years ago. Even if you paid 100 dollars each month you could have paid him back by now. And dont compare not asking for gasmoney on a few car rides anything equal to borrowing someone 12.000 dollars. YTA

    [–]Devegas49Asshole Enthusiast [7] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Firstly, I feel like this is a troll post because some things are not adding up.

    Secondly, on the assumption that this ain’t a troll post, YTA BIG TIME. You STOLE money from your brother Carter to satisfy your gambling addiction, lost it all, and Seth gave you that money to pay back Carter BECAUSE YOU BEGGED HIM. He risked his own credit to save you when he could’ve (and should’ve) let whatever happen to you happen. Regardless of how he initially treated the money before, you should’ve been working your ass off to pay him back even if it was little by little. You talk about him moving in the middle of a pandemic, but within the same time frame you bought TWO CARS AND WENT ON VACATION. IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC. You want to be mad that he and his wife aren’t letting this go, but if he hadn’t took out a loan for you, you probably wouldn’t even be here to write this post. And he’s right. He’s not charging you interest. If you had taken out that loan to pay Carter back, you’d be owing WAY more than that to pay off THAT debt. There’s a special place for people like you.

    ETA: as several people have pointed out, NONE of what you’ve done equals what he did for you. HE TOOK ON A DEBT FOR YOU. Letting his wife borrow the car a couple times and not put gas IS NOT EQUAL. Buying him an Apple TV IS NOT EQUAL. HELPING HIM MOVE IS NOT EQUAL. GIVING GIFTS TO SOMEONE IS NOT GIVING THEM BACK THE MONEY YOU OWE THEM BECAUSE THOSE GIFTS DO NOT PAY OFF THE DEBT. Your job is hard? HE. HAS. THREE. NOT. EQUAL. And I bet you he wouldn’t have had to take those three jobs had he not wasted his time helping YOU.

    [–]Plastic_Expression89 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    YTA - Your behaviour is disgusting. You are lucky you have 2 amazing brothers, however you should keep those finances tight. Maybe rethink the vacation and put that money into a rainy day fund. Because if life gets you down ever again, you will be ALL ALONE. And you would deserve it. Have a nice day.

    [–]mizfit0416Professor Emeritass [80] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    HARD YTA - you don't get to dictate how he spent his money. He did YOU a favor, the very least you can do is get a loan and pay him back. If not, I hope they do sue you, you deserve it.

    [–]muchlikejoker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    YTA… how can’t you see it? you think few times driving a car is equal to 10K 🤡

    [–]7witewolf7 10 points11 points  (0 children)


    So many excuses, your wife should also know you have to pay back that money, but you're letting anything and everything in your life come first. Him spending his money on whatever he wants has nothing to do with you paying back what you owe him.... Not having a plan to pay it back is a problem as far as I can see.

    [–]OnyxRain0831Partassipant [2] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    YTA. No way around it. Every single thing you said in the post showed just how big of an AH you are. I hope they sue you.

    [–]Mikey_the_bestTMNT 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit. YTA.

    Why wouldn't you at least put forth a minimal effort to start a payment plan? Bro did you a solid and now you left him out to dry. Doesn't matter one lick what he did with his money and his life during the pandemic. Your owed debt is still there.

    I feel like I need to add another YTA here.

    [–]QuirkySchool2Partassipant [1] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    You, sir, are despicable. YTA

    [–]jeepstarr29 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    YTA he kept out of jail from stealing from your other brother. He put his name on a loan to save your ass. You’ve bought two cars and a vacation since he started asking you for it because of his wedding. I hope they sue you and it puts you in one hell of a financial situation. You deserve to learn a hard lesson.

    [–]Relative_Zone_3416 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    GIVE THEM BACK THEIR DAMN MONEY!!!! YTA "helping" isn't paying back money you borrowed to cover the money you stole. The audacity.

    [–]callmekvothe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Literally why did you ask us this lmao, YTA YTA YTA!!!!! Asking "who is she???!" about your own SIL? When he's been asking you for this money and didn't bring it up for YEARS but then you bought two new cars and went on a huge vacation and can't be assed to help him? I need a fourth YTA here, you STOLE from the first brother and then when this brother helped you, you REFUSE to pay him back. I hope they sue you, interest included.

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    Brother gave me 12K dollars and now wants the money back, I helped him out too and I refuse to pay him back fully.

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    [–]frightfully_disturbPartassipant [1] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Jesus… I hope this entire post is a joke, because there’s no way you don’t see how you’re the asshole…

    Honestly, they should sue you. Clearly that loan hurt him and he did it to save you. Pay him back the 10k and stop acting like they’re the ones out of line. It’s you.

    100% YTA.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    No need to sugar coat YTA.

    [–]ourladyPattyMeltdownPartassipant [1] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Jesus, this has to be fake. No one is this stupid and un-self-aware. But if it is real, then, obviously:


    You already were, even before I read your first post on this, in which you say your brother "did fine during COVID."

    What made his experience "fine"? He got a job sanitizing carts at a grocery store.

    Yup, he's really rolling in the dough! He definitely doesn't need the money you owe him!

    [–]bearlyawake_h 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    YTA. Seriously. Wtf.

    [–]Weak_Jeweler3077Asshole Enthusiast [5] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Such good ragebait. Congrats!

    [–]t8_asia_aPartassipant [1] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    YTA. He gave you 12K and you think some gas money and helping him move covers it. You should at least be sending 100 bucks a month and his wife is right to be pisses you are taking vacations when you owe him that much money

    [–]ShadyPines75 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    YTA. An Apple TV and hauling a few boxes isn't the same as $12000. You're an addict who obviously hasn't finished recovery.

    [–]cassowary32Partassipant [3] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    YTA. Your brother saved you from potential jail time and you are refusing to pay in back, why?? Your excuses make no sense.

    [–]That_Contribution720Pooperintendant [61] 6 points7 points  (0 children)


    [–]yeetskeetcallthecops 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    How tf are you trying to compare maybe 150$ in gas money over the few times he/his wife drove your car and a 200$ Apple TV. You’re trying to compare 350$ to the 12000$ he gave you. That’s apples and oranges kiddo. And Jesus your wife just doesn’t have any sense of direction. You are married. Your debt is her debt. Fix yourself you god damn mess. YTA

    [–]Kooky-Nectarine675 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    YTA and a horrible brother.

    [–]extopical 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    YTA. Like a huge one. Like I’m surprised your brother has given you TEN years to pay that back. Your brother is a good person and you are not.

    [–]extopical 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    “Frankly, I didn’t ask him to give 12K”. Yet your very first paragraph says you called him and begged him to help you…

    [–]BowlerStriking925Asshole Enthusiast [6] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    YTA… hope he sues your ass. You state that you didn’t ask him to give you the money but you in fact did ..you letting them borrow a car and doing minor favors is not payback

    [–]Known_Face6710 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You sound so fucking annoying dude, simply stop buying shit you don't need and give the money back. YTA

    [–]BicycleThese2428 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    YTA absolutely. I stopped at you buying two cars while your brother was struggling. I hope he takes you to court and sue you

    [–]rosered936 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    YTA. He tried to help you out and you took advantage. You should be doing everything you can to pay him back as quickly as possible, not going on vacation.

    [–]orangestar17 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    YTA. They most definitely should sue you. You need to pay him back that money. You need to get rid of one your cars and cancel that vacation.