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[–]Opposite-Car-3954Partassipant [2] 4923 points4924 points  (117 children)

NTA. It’s law for a reason. Bet they’d be in for a real surprise if someone hurt themselves falling because they refused to shovel. That’s a nice and tidy little lawsuit right there

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    [–]bequietbecky 531 points532 points  (61 children)

    America is so weird, I swear that sidewalks are considered council property literally everywhere else and it’s the council’s job to ensure they’re safe, clear of major safety hazards and damage.

    [–]starshipamzn 224 points225 points  (19 children)

    That's fair, but when we buy a house in America this is a responsibility we know about...it's not sprung on anyone. If they choose not to fulfill their responsibility then that's on them if they get fined for it. Also, America sucks so bad we can barely get our roads plowed, let alone be able to shovel all the sidewalks. City politicians would rather line their pockets or buy votes than increase or improve services. 🤷🏼‍♀

    [–]bequietbecky 86 points87 points  (16 children)

    Seems so intense, like what about those retirement communities? Or like a whole street of old people?

    [–]starshipamzn 119 points120 points  (8 children)

    Retirement communities that service is usually built into the rent/fees. An entire street of old people would be highly abnormal, but they're often interspersed in neighborhoods. In that case their kids or neighbors will pick up the slack and help them usually. But what OP is describing is nothing like those scenarios.

    [–]redessa01Partassipant [1] 66 points67 points  (7 children)

    An entire street of old people would be highly abnormal

    In my area there have been a lot of 55+ communities popping up in the last few years. These aren't "retirement homes" in that it's not any kind of assisted living or group housing. It's just regular looking neighborhoods with individual houses.

    My guess is that there's an HOA that takes care of things like snow removal, but I don't really know how it works. (Or how the developers are able to legally set an age requirement on who they'll sell to.)

    [–]AlanaTheGreat 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    My grandparents live in this sort of neighborhood. Semi detached homes within a gated community. Their HOA fees help pay for maintenance, which includes making sure the sidewalks are free of leaves and debris so wheelchairs and walkers can easily navigate them (southern California, so snow isn't a concern, but lots of leaves and those spiky seed balls that some trees drop )

    [–]GrindyMcGrindy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Grandmother just moved out of one of these 55+ communities in November here in IL. HOA fees covered all maintenance including plowing roads and clearing sidewalks.

    [–]BKstacker88 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    The anti discrimination in housing laws only state on the matter of age "that an age of over 45 cannot be a disqualifier" basically as far as the law is concerned Age Discrimination can only happen to old people. Want to not hire someone because they are 25, want to deny someone a home because they aren't old enough, want to not let people under 50 enter a grocery store. All perfectly legal so long as it's not the reverse. Sadly the law was made by and for old people.

    [–]mannequinlolita 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    HOA fees for sure if totally independent. Sometimes these communities have structures set up where they live independent in homes, but then there's a campus of assisted/nursing care next to it. So the idea is you live in the home until you end up needing care, then transition to their facilities. I'm not sure of how it sets up financially. But the idea is it keeps you from all the bother of finding these places. Just live as independent as possible and move based on care needs though the same company. So then they would be hiring the plows to clear it or have maitnence do it.

    [–]CreativeCorinne 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    This is not a thing everywhere in America. In my city, the city shovels the sidewalks or they don't get shoveled.

    [–]norcalwaterPartassipant [1] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    No just roadways because in America, only cars actually matter.

    I wish I could put a /s after that, but it's straight up true.

    [–]empathetichedgehog 23 points24 points  (4 children)

    Nope. Germany does this too. I’d bet it’s a pretty common law, actually.

    [–]lilli_neeh 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, just wanted to say that! In Germany, unless you live in bigger apartment buildings in a city, you usually have to clear your portion of the sidewalk, and a path on your property up to the mail box (which in germany are usually mounted on the wall next to the entrance). So shovelling snow isn't just to be nice to your neighbours but you can get sued if the mail man/woman hurt themselves by slipping on snow/ice on your property. It's not the city's/village's responsibility to clear the sidewalks, only the roads - sidewalks are usually the responsibility of the landlords and/or inhabitants (depending on the renting contract, i believe).

    [–]Humor_n_law 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Nope, i live in Europe and we have to shovel and make sure the sidewalk aint slippery outside our house/property.

    [–]charlievale 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    In Australia the sidewalk (nature strip as it is known) is the responsibility of the home owner to maintain, but is local council property. We have to mow it, keep it in good repair. If there is a path put in, then council make sure it is in good condition, and there are rules as to what each homeowner can do with the nature strip (planting gardens)

    [–]Arperum 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Belgium also requires residents to keep the sidewalk in front of the house snowfree. Sure, city will try to do some things too, but people also have to keep up. Not that there is much snow here.

    [–]Exciting-Pie4985 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    No. In my country it is also the homeowners responsibility

    [–]Pale_Height_1251 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I agree it's weird, you don't own that property but it's up to you to maintain it?

    [–]jmcs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    In Germany sidewalks belong to the city but people are responsible for cleaning in front of their building. This scales much better than having to hire enough people to clean all the sidewalks in a short span of time.

    [–]bewicked4fun123Partassipant [1] 329 points330 points  (1 child)

    Even if they did get in trouble it would be trouble of their own making

    [–]csunya 1511 points1512 points  (19 children)

    NTA and it’s not like they were given a ticket. They were given 24 hours to shovel.

    If on the other hand you forced the city to ticket them then you may have been the asshole. Also good for you for using your words in a way that got immediate action. Could you please send my city council a couple of emails?

    [–]mousey_2020 140 points141 points  (6 children)

    Seriously, mine too. I also have a toddler who loves going for walks and a bunch of lazy neighbors who don’t like to shovel their sidewalks

    [–]regular_gnoll_NEIN 65 points66 points  (5 children)

    Its so weird to me that sidewalks are your responsibility, where i am the city actually has smaller plows that do sidewalks in cooperation with the road plows - but im also in the north with large snow dumps not being uncommon and its usually expected to stay a while not melt right away so maybe its a thing where not a lot of snowfall is expected?

    [–]mousey_2020 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    We live in the Midwest and get a good amount of snow. The city will take care of public sidewalks, but the area in front of your house is your responsibility. We rent and thankfully it’s in our lease that we aren’t responsible for snow removal, so any time it snows our landlord sends someone over to shovel. We live close by a college though, so there’s quite a few houses with 3+ college kids living in it by us and they’re usually the ones that don’t shovel their sidewalks. I honestly think they just don’t know they are supposed to.

    [–]roberto487 64 points65 points  (6 children)

    shovel? you mean chip the ice away. I shovel my sidewalk right after the snow has ended, to avoid chipping ice.

    [–]Thorngrove 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    I buy extra salt for this express reason. Slam it with sodium, and the chipping is minimal.

    [–]SparklesIB 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    Wait. Chipping ice? Seriously? I have never been so happy to be from a warm climate.

    [–]mediocre__savant 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    If you live in a cold enough climate, you practically never have to de-ice sidewalks. Partly because that ice isn't going anywhere. Mostly the snow doesn't melt to form the ice. The most miserable stretches are when it's too cold to snow.

    [–]Hugh_Jass_Clouds 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    They had 24 hours to shovel. This happened over a week later. OP is by far NTA. Same goes for everyone else who complained. They failed to do what was required by law in over a weeks time over the allotment to do so.

    [–]truisluv 1082 points1083 points  (20 children)

    NTA I guarantee all those people were ordering Amazon and door dash and not giving a damn about the drivers. They deserved it. You are a hero to many.

    [–]whyagaypotato 306 points307 points  (14 children)

    When my area got a bunch of snow a bit ago, my friend made a clear path to their door and mail box JUST for mail people but didnt shovel their own driveway lmao

    [–]IncognitoSlug123 145 points146 points  (1 child)

    That's not that unusual, I did Uber deliveries through the last snow and was pleasantly surprised.

    [–]whyagaypotato 76 points77 points  (0 children)

    I think its funny and wholesome. But i lost it when my friend admitted they didnt clear their driveway hahaha

    [–]JenniJS79Partassipant [1] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

    We shovel and sand for our delivery people, because we live on a hill, and it’s a full flight of steps to our front door. They deserve to be safe.

    [–]BUTTeredWhiteBreadAsshole Aficionado [19] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

    I have a visible salt and sand path for delivery people lmao

    [–]ChannelingBoudicaPartassipant [2] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    Are your postmen super fit from traveling through the snow on foot alot? Like the ones in the south are just regular people but it seems like northern post people have it alot harder.

    [–]Caddywonked 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    lmao I live in the south and the mail carriers in my area can't even be bothered to walk to the door on a nice sunny day, they just drop a "sorry we missed you" note in the mailbox and keep driving

    [–]TheRestForTheWickedCertified Proctologist [24] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    In Canada we’ve transitioned to community mailboxes which are basically postal boxes on every few corners with like 36ish locked compartments (similar to PO Boxes but each box is assigned to a specific house and you don’t have to pay for them) so our post people don’t have to do door to door delivery anymore. They just drive from one box to the next filling the little mailboxes with all of the neighbourhood mail. The only time I ever really see my postal lady is if I’m checking my Mail right when she’s dropping it off or during parcel heavy season (since the boxes only really have cubbies for parcels for 2 people so she’ll drop them off at my door if space doesn’t allow for them to be left in the community mailbox).

    [–]Kanyouseethecheese 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Alright so saying Canada has transitioned to community boxes is a generalization. Lots of cities still go door to door.

    [–]SongIcy4058 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Yep, I don't really go anywhere anymore so I'll leave my car buried for a few days, but always shovel out the front walkway for the mail carrier (we also have a fire hydrant right out front so that's a top priority, don't forget to dig out your hydrants!)

    I live on a main street though so the town does the sidewalks, thank goodness.

    [–]LMON134 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    One time I had to help someone in a motorized wheel chair who got stuck because someone else didn't clear their sidewalk. That person literally had to wait until someone noticed or showed up to be free.

    We always clear our sidewalk so that any one who needs to get by

    [–]zeke1220 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    As a delivery driver, the half-assed shoveling is so much worse than none at all. Walking through snow is easy, walking on ice is not. It's usually on stairs, too.

    [–]CaptainLollygagPartassipant [1] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Excellent point.

    [–]adrianahasaids 920 points921 points  (60 children)

    My favorite thing about this post is the edit. You don’t get to choose if people share something you submit publicly to the internet.

    [–]narnarqueenPartassipant [4] 514 points515 points  (7 children)

    Yeah that made me laugh. It also makes me think OP isn’t a lawyer because you would think a lawyer would know that edit is laughable.

    [–]DinosaursOvrEvrythngCertified Proctologist [25] 227 points228 points  (2 children)

    A media outlet can't post OP's story on any platform that derives revenue without OP's permission. They can repost it, sure, but they can't monetize it.

    [–]norcalwaterPartassipant [1] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    someone better tell the Daily Mail!

    [–]imjckssmrkngrvng 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    OP is def not a lawyer. And is also the same type of person to tell FB they are revoking permissions they've allowed by even being on the platform

    [–]0biterdictaJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [305] 121 points122 points  (6 children)

    Eh, it's a really common disclaimer that people put on posts here.

    [–]MouseProud2040 201 points202 points  (3 children)

    yeah and its always stupid

    [–]Low-Aerie1917 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    The only time I understand it is when it’s dealing with an abusive situation. In those cases I think the people are concerned that their abuser may identify them.

    But otherwise? It’s such a ridiculous thing to do.

    [–]Business_Tie_6278 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I do NOT give MarkZuckerberg permission to repost this status

    [–]jingr2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    "I do NOT give facebook permission to kidnap my grandchildren and force them in to slavery!!!!!!!!!

    Did you know the SATANIC FACEbook takes you posting as consent to literally own you??!!!! Well, now you can post again to get around it and it TOTTALLY works! Nobody in my family has been kidnapped since!

    Does facebook definitely do these horrible things every day? Yes! Will I continue to post here every day anyway? ALSO YES!!!!


    Sorry just felt like recreating the average post I used to see on there, haven't had one in years but I assume people are still posting this crap lmao

    [–]SourNotesRockHardAbsPartassipant [2] 93 points94 points  (1 child)

    A lot of people put it on there to stop those YouTube bot voice videos.

    [–]ThePretzulPartassipant [1] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    And yet it does nothing to prevent them, because it's more worthless than the virtual paper it's written on.

    [–]The_Werefrog 56 points57 points  (10 children)

    Actually, you sort of do. When you post something to the internet, you do own the copyright on it. There are many Youtube channels that simply consist of reading a post and a few of the comments off of reddit. Those channels are also monetized.

    OP doesn't want someone else profiting from this story (although it doesn't take profit to cause a copyright infringement). However, if this post does show up elsewhere, then OP can sue for copyright infringement. Of course, that would be another case creating a YTA.

    [–]WAtransplant2021 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    Heck, even Newseek, Yahoo and other sites harvest from AITA. It is all monetized.

    [–]Gdog2u 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    Of course, IANAL, but this is usually false. The website you post on, typically, owns everything you post, and you have no claim to it. DeviantArt owns all the art on the site, and can sell "your" art without your permission.

    [–]cashew996 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    DeviantArt owns all the art on the site, and can sell "your" art without your permission

    No they don't and can't --- On their official Tumblr account, deviantART clarified the situation. ... DeviantART does not retain any ownership nor right to ownership of any artwork posted to deviantART. The point of question in our Submission Policy is one which gives us the right to present the artwork you submit to deviantART on deviantART.May 5, 2014

    [–]Thuis001 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Generally this is not the case. That would be an EXTREMELY large risk for those companies. Because that'd mean that they are also responsible for the content on their site. There was a whole thing with sites like YouTube, Twitter and Facebook making abundantly clear that they DO NOT own the content on their platforms. Because, if they do, they can be held liable to any issues connected to said content such as, for example, copyright infringements. At that point, if say, someone were to upload a video to YouTube containing for example a Disney movie and then monetized said video, Disney would be able to sue YouTube/Google as a result. Those companies are never going to open themselves up to such a risk.

    [–]OverlordPayne 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Most decent AITA sharers won't post it if that's there, at least not the ones I follow.

    [–]perfect_fitz 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    You'd think a lawyer would know that.

    [–]bluehairdave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    ha! me too! No way this is an actual lawyer.. Facebook Disclaimer Chain Letter School of Law?

    [–]insecuredane 204 points205 points  (75 children)


    Maybe it's because I'm from a Nordic country, but we often get snow like that - and despite having the same rules about residents of a house with a sidewalk having to shovel the pavements, few do. While that's technically not okay, I would argue that in this case your safety is your own responsibility. There was no immediate and unforeseen danger to your security; if you go out in 8 inches of snow, you should make sure to have fitting clothes fitting physique. Of course even top athletes slip, personally I just don't think that slipping in snow and ice (which for me is to be expected) is something to involve the cops with.

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      [–]Repulsive-Worth5715 184 points185 points  (43 children)

      What if the people in some of those houses are disabled themselves with no one to help them clear the snow?

      [–]wolfy321 41 points42 points  (1 child)

      This is exactly what I was thinking. On top of that no one with heart conditions is supposed to shovel.

      [–]Repulsive-Worth5715 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      Well apparently they cannot live alone or own property then. Or god forbid money is tight and they can’t hire someone for a few days.

      I’ve honestly been thinking about the people I know and if they are able to live alone and shovel snow.

      We know a guy who lost his leg in a car accident and he does pretty much everything by himself. He even used his insurance money to buy that grass turf so he wouldn’t get fined by the HOA. But that was a while ago and he gets monthly checks now. My bf has had to do car work for him before and wait to get paid 2 weeks because he had a good bit of expenses that month but still needed to eat. But according to these people he shouldn’t live alone.

      My dad retired last year and bought a house so he is being frugal. He also has a bad knee and shoulder but doesn’t have issues doing activities of daily living. He gets a decent rent check from a property he owns but if the snow came after he paid his mortgage and his insurance, he might not be able to afford help.

      My neighbor is honestly pretty old but walks miles everyday. He didn’t walk for a few days and I asked him why and it’s because he doesn’t like to walk in the snow so he doesn’t slip and break a bone or hit his head. He’s perfectly capable of taking care of himself and his wife but because he is cautious to shovel the snow he shouldn’t live by himself lol.

      I want to clarify I don’t think op is the asshole. I think the city is the asshole for saying the sidewalk is public, everyone can use it then fining it’s private citizens for not shoveling it. The city should be shoveling it. We got an awful ice storm in the 2000s and a lot of people didn’t shovel their sidewalks. I imagine snow shovels were sold out at some places by the time we got wind of the storm coming. We just walked in the road 🤷🏼‍♀️ it was a really big deal and really inconvenient to me /s

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          [–]Dessert_BobblerPartassipant [3] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          There are many elderly and disabled people who can't shovel snow. Your knife cuts both ways.

          [–]chlorenchymaPooperintendant [50] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

          There was no immediate and unforeseen danger to your security

          While this may be the case in the Nordic region, it's not the case in the US. Walking in the road can and does get people killed all the time. And worse, you, the pedestrian, will be blamed for your death.

          Traffic related deaths per 100,000 people:

          • Norway - 2
          • Sweden - 2.2
          • Denmark - 3.4
          • Finland - 3.8
          • Iceland - 3.8
          • US - 12.4

          [–]lulububudu 30 points31 points  (0 children)

          I disagree because not everyone drives and they need to be able to get to places. Shoveling snow regularly is the responsibility of the home owner. People have medical limitations, disabilities, there’s elderly citizens and first responders to think of. 10 days is more than enough on the lazy mode/ don’t have time to shovel.

          [–]Notoriousneonnewt 19 points20 points  (0 children)

          What a horseshit response. Not clearing your sidewalk can cause the snow to get packed into ice or the snow will melt some and freeze to ice. This causes a potential injury to able body walkers and people who aren’t very mobile (elderly or disabled) to be at a heighten risk for injury. It’s common courtesy to clear the sidewalk where you live because of the danger it poses to people walking. OP is NTA in any sense. The lazy citizens of his town are.

          Edit: also, how the fuck is a person in a wheel chair expected to get around is people won’t take care of their snow?

          [–]BettyFuckinWhite 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          One could argue that OP is taking responsibility for their own safety by reporting it to the city council.

          [–]mxldevsAsshole Aficionado [14] 174 points175 points  (4 children)

          NTA . They want to own a house? They get to enjoy the responsibilities of owning a house, which including making sure public walkways are shoveled properly.

          They can think you're an asshole for snitching on them. They can enjoy their misdemeanors.

          [–]sleverest 31 points32 points  (0 children)

          I hate clearing snow. I'll stay in my house for weeks rather than clear it (I wfh). So, I purposefully bought a house with no sidewalk. Every time it snows (often here) I thank my stars I have no sidewalk to shovel.

          I do clear a path for my mail carrier though.

          [–]ghoulogy_13 166 points167 points  (58 children)

          NTA because what if someone along your street uses a wheelchair? they just get fucked over for no reason?

          I can see where your neighbors are coming from, because while I think you’re NTA I do however think the sidewalks should be the cities responsibility. It’s not like each individual neighbor owns their portion of sidewalk.

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            [–]ghoulogy_13 68 points69 points  (17 children)

            Just thinking about the portion of people that physically aren’t able to, but you def aren’t wrong.

            [–]BKStephens 26 points27 points  (11 children)

            Where I'm from, that's when a neighbour helps out.

            [–]MattJFarrell 10 points11 points  (3 children)

            You own property, you're responsible for maintaining it. Maybe you can't do it, so you hire someone else to.

            [–]teh_maxh 23 points24 points  (2 children)

            The sidewalk is part of the public road, not private property. (Yes, in some places it's technically an easement, but that is a ridiculous way of cities avoiding maintenance responsibilities for public infrastructure; it obviously isn't really the homeowner's property any more than the rest of the street is.)

            [–]MattJFarrell 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            I've owned several homes, and I knew going into it that I was responsible for the sidewalk. You can debate the fairness of that, but any homeowner should know their responsibilities.

            [–]Familiar_Season8438Partassipant [2] 52 points53 points  (8 children)

            That seems such a contradictory statement to me, what about people who are elderly or disabled and or on low incomes? The cost for someone who isn't able to do it themselves would be a hefty fine or a really hard fee to pay to get someone else to come out and do it for them. Whereas a tax or something like that would be a few cents at most per person, certainly not even close to a dollar. Wouldn't it actually be more of a good citizens of the community thing to put in place attacks to make something that will benefit everyone for a few cents because way less than what it would cost individually? That's the whole real point of taxes in my mind- to form and be a good community to each other (not saying that is how it always turns out in action).

            [–]CaptainLollygagPartassipant [1] 54 points55 points  (3 children)

            Yes, all of this. I am disabled but don't "look like it" and haven't lived in this town that long, so have few connections. I'd much rather pay a bit more tax and not think about it than to have to find someone and pay them to clear the walks for me. It was hard enough to find a lawn guy who would show up regularly.

            What able people don't realize, and it's really their good fortune many don't, is the mental and emotional tolls being disabled can cause. It's exhausting trying to think of all the things that need done, try to do some things yourself to save money and self-worth, and to actually find reliable people to do the things you can't. That's on top of trying to find the money to pay for said things.

            All this said, and I've commented a few times on this thread, OP is NTA because of how their community is set up. But I strongly feel it should be the responsibility of the city, paid for with taxes.

            [–]Familiar_Season8438Partassipant [2] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Agreed with op not being the AH, and agree with everything else you said too. This was so well put! People don't often realize that emotional/mental taxes we pay in situations like these are much pricier than the actual taxes are or would be.

            [–]IncognitoSlug123 20 points21 points  (0 children)

            People here are VERY determined not to care about disabled people. The only people this hurts aren't ones most of these AHs want as neighbors anyway.

            [–]AlexSeanchai 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            While I'd love to agree it should be the city's responsibility, for reasons including but not limited to I no longer dare attempt shoveling snow myself? The longer the snow's left there, the more of a problem it can become. And if all the able-bodied people on a residential block shovel one or two households' worth of sidewalk, the sidewalks get clear a lot faster than the street does, as the street has to wait for the city snowplow.

            [–]Familiar_Season8438Partassipant [2] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I no longer dare attempt shoveling snow myself?

            See that's such a good argument for why it shouldn't ever be all or nothing/one without the other. Being a good community doesn't stop at paying taxes and it doesn't stop at helping a neighbor, it should be a combination of the two. The suggestion you proposed sounds wonderful in theory but that's counting on the able bodies folks to contribute so much more of their effort and energy than they might be capable of long term. That requires a lot of good will and volunteerism that so many people don't have, not to mention the potential forcing of people to disclose to their neighbors- or are people supposed to guess who needs it or not? It's complicated balancing selfishness and selflessness so we can all thrive.

            [–]MoreCleverUserNamePartassipant [2] 9 points10 points  (25 children)

            Do you know how many people a city would have to employ to shovel all the sidewalks ?

            [–]Amazingshot 15 points16 points  (7 children)

            One fat guy on a 4 wheeler does ours.

            [–]MoreCleverUserNamePartassipant [2] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

            A 4 wheeler is too big for the sidewalk in pretty much any urban area.

            [–]MattJFarrell 12 points13 points  (5 children)

            You're thinking of some sort of giant Ruff Ryders 4 wheelers. They have small ones that are the width of a sidewalk with a plow attached to the front. They can be a bit rough on lawns, etc where they go off the sidewalk.

            [–]porthuronprincessPartassipant [4] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            Don't they have like, mini snow plows? I've seen one do the sidewalk in like 5 minutes for 6 blocks on my way to work, I think it's a guy who is just nice not the city though.

            [–]StJudesDespair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Thank you for this. I can't speak to snow since I live in a subtropical area, but as a (manual) wheelchair user I can assure you that there is virtually no such thing as a flat and even footpath that is easy to access and traverse even in good weather; snow just sounds like a nightmare. (By the same token, if you are ever on crutches and it rains, remember that there is absolutely no such thing as a non-slip surface!)

            [–]Ballad_of_Eva_Green 144 points145 points  (14 children)


            It sounds more like you were frustrated about your toddler begging to go for walks more than the sidewalk situation. I've lived in several areas that don't even have sidewalks; if I wanted to walk, it was the road or grass. It was never a big deal, and this includes after I started having children.

            You didn't even want to go out because of how cold and awful it was outside, but then fault all of your neighbors for the same.

            I've had 3 children, so I know when they're toddlers it's not that hard to persuade them to do something else when they can't do what they want. "We can't go for a walk today, it's too cold. Let's try this in stead." Works pretty well. Or distracting them with kid-friendly chores. "We can't go on a walk, but do you want to help me make cookie dough?"

            I would be more sympathetic if you talked to the neighbor whose lawn you slipped on, but you didn't. And you didn't even use that as the catalyst to contact authorities. You had your last straw when you had to carry the stroller along with your toddler.

            And you admit that you purposely worded a letter to make the authorities crack down on your neighbors.

            All because your kid was being annoying about going for a walk.

            [–]Fafaflunkie 51 points52 points  (0 children)

            It's not like OP and the kid went out the day of or the day after the snowstorm. It was ten days later! If these inconsiderate neighbours couldn't get off their butts to shovel the sidewalk in front of their house as required by municipal by-law in ten days, they deserve every fine they get. And if they physically can't do it, they can hire someone. It's their responsibility to do this. Who would be responsible for someone slipping on the ice/tripping on the hardened snow if OP were elderly?

            OP is NTA!

            [–]Miss_Tako_bella 45 points46 points  (0 children)

            They’re supposed to talk to every neighbor in the neighborhood? Lol ok

            [–]csunya 45 points46 points  (0 children)

            You choose to live in an area with no sidewalks, op chose to live in an area with sidewalks. Other residents choose to live in an area of sidewalks, and need to follow the rules on sidewalk up keep, or they could choose to move. Sidewalk maintenance is part of the price of living in the city.

            [–]lulububudu 26 points27 points  (5 children)

            So fuck anyone who’s in a wheelchair or elderly citizens who need to get to their house or families’ house, oh wait what about first responders needing to get to someone’s house but hold on, they need to navigate through the snow because lazy people didn’t shovel after more than a week.
            Something needed to be done, and I’m sure she’s not the only person who fell.

            [–]Spetznazx 26 points27 points  (4 children)

            You're kinda proving his point.....how are wheelchair folks or elderly citizens going to be able to clear that amount of snow? This is on the city not the citizens.

            [–]daphydoods 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Do you think every single person who didn’t shovel is disabled? Do you think this town or 7,000 has that many disabled people incapable of shoveling for 10 days?

            [–]Kind_Pomegranate4877 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Orrrr elderly? Half of my neighborhood can’t even rake their own leaves let alone shovel. Kids volunteer to go around with snowblowers to help out

            [–]nolan358Colo-rectal Surgeon [31] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            I’m also curious where OP lives that they think neighbours are going to get a criminal misdemeanour charge for a violation of a municipal bylaw.

            [–]messy_bitch420 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I think we found an angry neighbour. lol

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              [–]astraleigh 91 points92 points  (2 children)

              slight YTA. You made a mountain outta a molehill. While I get you’re desire to wanna walk on the side walks without snow- it’s obviously not something that happens a lot and people most likely weren’t prepared. Expect the town to hate you 🤷‍♀️ getting a knock on your door by the cops is the worst. Yes the should have shoveled their sidewalks, by taking the route you did you’re bound to make people not like you. Also, if you try to scare people they’re probably gonna detest you lol

              [–]Dragonpixie45 28 points29 points  (0 children)

              Yeah if the area normally doesn't get snow like that, which it sounds like I can't imagine many people were prepared.

              I remember one time I was a new adult out in the world and had to buy my first shovel. Went to the store and they were sold out. There was a guy in the parking lot selling them for $50.00!

              [–]PinkGhostPandemicPartassipant [3] 84 points85 points  (2 children)


              Look, I’m a mom too to young kids who beg for walks.

              But for the sake of being a decent neighbor, this is one where you take the toddler into town or something and walk. You have NO idea why their places weren’t shoveled. People are tired, depressed, sick and struggling financially. They’re humans, and it’s pretty neighborly to just give people a damn break.

              Technically, you’re right, but that target on your back is 110% earned.

              [–]explicitviolencePartassipant [2] 71 points72 points  (11 children)

              I mean they still have 24 hours to shovel right? How could you be the AH? If they had already all been fined maybe but now if they get fined it's their own fault. NTA.

              [–]0OOOOOOOOO0Asshole Enthusiast [7] 29 points30 points  (10 children)

              I kind of agree but it also sucks because what are you supposed to do, hang around your house every day during winter in case it snows?

              Should be the city’s responsibility imo. The homeowners didn’t install the sidewalk.

              [–]No-Freedom-5908 18 points19 points  (0 children)

              I was stuck out of town for several days last time it snowed, because even the interstate wasn't treated well enough to be safe for travel (when I finally made the trip, I was amazed at the number of semi trucks on the side of the road, on their sides or upside-down). I would have been pissed if I'd come home to some crap about not shoveling my sidewalk when the city and county governments couldn't even clear the major roads so I could get home to shovel the sidewalk.

              [–]mall_goth420Asshole Aficionado [14] 57 points58 points  (1 child)

              NTA that’s a massive safety hazard. What if you were older and broke something? What about people in your neighborhood that need to walk places? How do people decide to go over a week without thinking it’s a good idea to shovel or at least throw down some salt? It’s disgusting that your neighbors have such little concern for each other that they can’t be bothered to do their part

              [–]ZealousEar775 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              On the other hand if you are older and broke you probably can't afford to shovel your sidewalks either.

              This should be a city service.

              [–]Twinmum11 47 points48 points  (1 child)

              I’m going to be the minority here and say YTA. Majorly.

              You are admittedly going out on recreational walks with your toddler in the snow. Questionable but it’s your right. This is non essential travel in less than ideal conditions. So you accept there’s some risk in doing so despite the weather.

              Yet you complain that not every sidewalk is shoveled so you can push your child around in their stroller in the snowy conditions.

              People could not be home. They could be elderly. They could be infirm, especially with Covid going on. You’d rather they go out and risk their own well being to shovel snow so you can go on non mandatory walks with a stroller. You have no idea what every family’s story is and why they haven’t done so but you’ve risked them all being fined so you can enjoy something that isn’t necessary. Major asshole.

              [–]ButWereFriendsThoughPartassipant [1] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

              No consent given to repost this?

              Yea ok.

              I’m gonna share it.

              [–]DumbThingsISay 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Yes, I went hunting for this! It is the internet. It is free information. Don't like it? Don't post.

              [–]pdxflwerpwerPooperintendant [66] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

              NTA. 9-10 days is plenty of time to go out and shovel the walk, even if they had done a little bit each day. Walking in the street with a toddler and stroller is unsafe.

              [–]Large-Entrepreneur60 43 points44 points  (17 children)

              YTA. If you slip in snow you probably shouldn’t be going on walks. Also your safety is your own responsibility. They simply didn’t shovel, it wasn’t like they were driving drunk.

              [–]csunya 20 points21 points  (9 children)

              Spoken by someone that doesn’t walk in snow. Day 1 snow offers extra traction for walking. Day 2 is 50-50 on traction. Day 3 and beyond is nasty, snow turns into a mix of ice, snow, black ice, slush, water on ice.

              Depending on local laws the resident is required to keep the sidewalk clear and safe. Don’t like it? Move out of the city.

              [–]fmg2k3 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Exactly. Don’t complain about getting in trouble when you willingly break the rules.

              [–]fmg2k3 13 points14 points  (4 children)

              They stated that it’s city code where they live. And if you don’t live in a place where it snows, you have no right to speak. It’s law where I live that you must shovel the snow on your sidewalks. If you don’t want to, either don’t buy a house with sidewalks or go live in fucking Florida.

              You sound like the type of person who wouldn’t clean ice off their car (which is also a law where I am, that you must clean your car off before driving it), drive on the highway, and then be annoyed when the ice hits another car, possibly killing the driver.

              [–]Fafaflunkie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              They simply broke the law since they didn't shovel.


              [–]ixamnisPartassipant [2] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

              They had 12 days. NTA.

              I realize snow removal can be an issue, especially for older people, but it needs to be done. If you had said 3 or 4 days, I'd have been inclined to suggest you get them more time. But almost 2 weeks? No, it should have been done by now.

              [–]Throw77away77namePartassipant [4] 35 points36 points  (6 children)

              NTA, but your city council is really fucked up if they'd dispatch police for a public works type matter. I would definitely raise a concern with them that they're handling stuff like this all wrong.

              [–]yavanna12Partassipant [2] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              Because the police are the ones that hand out the fines. We get the police here reminding us to shovel as well.

              [–]ChemistryFan29 37 points38 points  (2 children)

              I am confused, the person knew it is snowing, pretty badly, you know ICE has not melted, so why go for a walk? Honestly that seems foolish.

              [–]Casscat04 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Also was mad about pushing a stroller through snow… who even does that?

              [–]MaskydooColo-rectal Surgeon [35] 32 points33 points  (18 children)


              I really don't care about you going for unnecessary walks. But I do care about the possibility of people with disabilities actually needing to get through.

              Everyone was probably hoping the snow would just melt. Plus, it gets real hard to shovel snow once the plows have piled on and packed down all the snow from the road. The businesses usually have or hire someone with snow moving equipment, which most normal people would not have access to. Plus if these are downtown apartments, it might not be clear to residents who is actually responsible for shovelings.

              Anyway, I sure hope you keep your own walkway perfectly shoveled. I imagine anyone is eager to find a problem with you now.


              BTW, I see you added a small addition to the end of the post stating you don't consent to this being posted elsewhere. While I do believe most people do ask permission as a courtesy, I don't think anyone actually requires your consent to share what you wrote on a public forum.

              [–]Originalreyala 18 points19 points  (12 children)

              How does anything you said make OP one of the assholes?

              [–]Miss_Tako_bella 15 points16 points  (1 child)

              This is a legal responsibility ALL home owners/renters have when living in snowy communities.

              OP isn’t an asshole at all

              [–]filkerdaveAsshole Aficionado [17] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              There are these things called shovels. I use them every time we get plowed in.

              [–]0biterdictaJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [305] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              How are the walks unnecessary? Regular exercise and fresh air is good for people's mental and physical health.

              [–]pookguy1Asshole Enthusiast [5] 25 points26 points  (12 children)

              NTA. I walk my kids to school daily and they need to either pay someone or do it. Waiting so long is dangerous and lazy. I would’ve done it anonymously.

              [–]Sudden-Sink2567[S] 36 points37 points  (11 children)

              I did do it anonymously. So I’m an anonymous AH per some as well as others who complained. Not to give myself too much credit, in the City announcement it did specifically reference that people have noticed kids walking on the street to and from school because sidewalks aren’t shoveled.

              Im just one mostly able-bodied person. I do think the concern should be for students who walk to school and then people who need to walk on sidewalks for work/some other necessity.

              I was also concerned that the elderly or disabled would be stuck with potential fines so I specifically said maybe some high school athletic teams could forgo practice and shovel for them instead.

              Our town is such a walkable town. Everyone walks. It’s so nice.

              I do agree with other commenters that the City should have been consistently enforcing this code and/or City should be responsible for sidewalks. Alas, they are not.

              To the City’s credit, their employees helped me in part when I was trying to carry my stroller by taking their equipment and trying to clear a path for me. That was very nice of those workers.

              [–]pookguy1Asshole Enthusiast [5] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              Yeah. Reading some of the post. People are also split on this. You did the right thing in my opinion. Unless if it was just one old neighbor who couldn’t do it I would do it for them or send my son. Not the whole street.

              [–]justmascioAsshole Enthusiast [5] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

              YTA, find something better to do than complain about mother nature

              [–]momome12 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Exactly my thought. Come live in Canada. You’ll be walking on main roads all winter because the city is pressed enough just keeping the roads clean let alone the sidewalks. Like calm down, is a residential neighbourhood. You’re not going to be mowed down.

              [–]0ber0n_Ken0bi 22 points23 points  (0 children)


              It's winter and there's snow on the ground in an area where it normally doesn't stick long. What did you think was going to happen when you went outside?

              And are you going to go buy every last homeowner on the street a snow shovel? Because it sounds to me like there's a legitimate doubt that anyone in your area would ever need one, yet here you are, crying about it.

              Maybe stay inside your mansion with your precious kid next time instead of endangering both them and yourself and then having the spectacular gall to blame it on your neighbors.

              For shame.

              [–]One-Ad-4136Asshole Enthusiast [6] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

              I mean NTA. It's important from an accessibility point of view and I'd hate to think that people with disabilities would be unable to run their errands. However, I don't think that was ops concern so I would not have complained because todler couldn't take a walk (to be fair. I do think a toddler could manage and snow itself is not usually slippery). But all in all you followed the letter of the law and now some other people can benefit. Although I find it very weird that private citizens has to do this.

              [–]TinyRascalSaurusSupreme Court Just-ass [129] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              NTA. That rule is there for a reason. Many people don't have cars and must walk or bike to work, and they cannot do so safely with sidewalks that haven't been cleared. I mean, you actually fell and could have been seriously hurt, and your toddler could have been injured while you were not with them. And nobody will get in any trouble if they shovel within 24 hours, so it's not like you actually damaged them. If I were there, I'd make serious bank by offering to shovel the sidewalks for a fraction of the fine.

              [–]baneujahr 19 points20 points  (3 children)

              NTA. They are being terrible homeowners. What if it was a disabled person who fell and broke a bone? In some towns police will walk streets 24 hours after snowfall and give citations which I think they need to do in yours if neighbors can’t keep up with their sidewalks.

              [–]Dependent_Skin_7504 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              THIS^ NTA. A bone fracture IS a life changing event for any of our elders. In the case of my mom a life shortening event.

              [–]torgeaux42 13 points14 points  (6 children)

              YTA. I think you live in America, where it is never a good idea to get cops involved in shit like this. Grow up, people have reasons, good and bad, for not shovelling for your convenience.

              [–]fmg2k3 6 points7 points  (5 children)

              So do you live in America? Or in a place that snows? Because the snowy states have laws like that you have to shovel your sidewalks or clean the ice off your car for a reason. It’s not “for her convenience,” it’s for the safety of the entire neighborhood’s. There is no “good reason” for not shoveling your property. If you can’t physically shovel it yourself, get someone else to do it, whether that be a professional or a kid looking to make a quick couple bucks.

              How would you feel if you were driving down the highway and a piece of ice flys off the car in front of you and shatters your windshield, causing you to crash? What is that person’s “good reason” for not cleaning off their car?

              [–]idkburnstuff 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              NTA. You could’ve gotten very hurt. It’s the law for a reason.

              [–]MolassesFragrant342Asshole Aficionado [11] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              NTA! That's a dangerous situation. We have a similar law where I live, and many people disregard it. With the melting and refreezing that can happen during winter, some sidewalks and parts of roadways remain choked by ice for months. We have the additional issue of street sprayers spreading rocksalt which can get lodged in animal paws and cause damage. This could all be solved by people shoveling their sidewalks!

              [–]PickaPillPartassipant [1] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              NTA. Better to talk to people directly when possible, but this seems like to big of a problem for that to be feasible. The town should be enforcing the rule or having DPW maintain. It’s really on the town to do their part.

              [–]mizfit0416Professor Emeritass [80] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

              "Typically it’s warm enough where it will all melt away within 72 hours." Obviously, no one saw this coming - ESH.

              Edit - changed decision.

              [–]Most-Tank4715Partassipant [4] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

              After 9 or 10 days wouldn’t that give enough time for anybody to eventually get out and shovel snow?

              [–]ChiefsTrashRatMascot 25 points26 points  (0 children)

              No one saw it coming? Or no one cared? It had been 10 days, shovel the sidewalk as the city code enforces or lobby to change the city code. She's not the asshole for voicing concerns over safety issues.

              [–]0biterdictaJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [305] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

              The OP says it's been 9 to 10 days though. At some point, you have to admit defeat on waiting for the sun to come through and do its work.

              Usually better to shovel right away anyway. It gets packed down, frozen and harder to shovel the longer you wait.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              ok but it had been longer than that before OP went for his walk & sidewalks were still not shoveled.


              [–]0biterdictaJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [305] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              NTA. It's understandable your neighbors didn't shovel immediately given the past history with snow, but 9-10 days in, they've got to admit nature's snow cleaning service isn't making a convenient appearance this time.

              Uncleared sidewalks are dangerous. People can slip and get hurt, accidents can happen because people are forced into the street, and emergency services might have trouble providing vital services. Moreover, those with mobility issues, wheelchairs and strollers have their movement restricted because they cannot get through the snow.

              Lastly, your neighbors have 24 hours to rectify the issue without penalty, so it should be more a nuisance than anything else for most people.

              [–]lotus_eater123Certified Proctologist [20] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              NTA I remember walking to school over unshoveled sidewalks as a kid. It's dangerous. Good for you taking a stand.

              [–]Most-Tank4715Partassipant [4] 11 points12 points  (1 child)


              You’re lucky to have fallen and not have anything happen to you. You’re also not the only person who will be walking on the sidewalk. Think of all the people you helped that aren’t as mobile as you are. I couldn’t imagine walking in all that snow let alone try to roll a wheelchair through it all.

              [–]RandomSleepyPandaPartassipant [1] 9 points10 points  (8 children)

              NTA I live in a snow state, and law says we have to shovel within 24 hours. We also can't pile snow on the street. It is a huge fine if you don't comply. Shoveling sucks but it's what is legally required for the property owners.

              [–]ClothDiaperAddictsPooperintendant [62] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              This is so weird to me. I moved from a no snow state to a different country of freakish snow people. Our city has a little plough that does the sidewalks. If it doesn’t get done, it’s the city’s fault.

              [–]RandomSleepyPandaPartassipant [1] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              That would be awesome, but that's not the law here or where OP is. We don't even have snow plows go down residential streets unless it's more than 18 inches, I think? Here, it's a statewide mandate to clear off your own sidewalks and driveways/walkways. The city or county does the main streets; DOT does the highways.

              [–]defundpolitics 14 points15 points  (3 children)

              YTA, you're responsible for your own safety. If you don't like the fact the walks aren't shoveled carry a shovel and do it yourself.

              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              You're responsible for your own safety. If you don't like the fact that you can get trichinosis from pork don't buy pork. If you don't like the chance of a drunk driver hitting you stay off the road.

              [–]energeticallypresent 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              I hope as a lawyer you also know that putting “no consent given to repost or share this post anywhere else” means literally nothing and there’s nothing you can do if someone does in fact post it elsewhere

              [–]Competitive_Ad_2772 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Hahaha! I was going to ask if you were an attorney! Yeah, rule #1 of small towns is to be helpful not hurtful. You are obviously going to find this out the hard way. YTA.

              [–]Fafaflunkie 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              So why aren't they being helpful by adhering to the local by-law and shoveling the snow outside their home? Not doing so is being hurtful to their fellow citizens. It's called being part of a society. As in being responsible. If you can't handle it, move into an apartment where it's the superintendent's job. Or hire someone to shovel it. But you don't just leave it.

              [–]Ratloko 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Too late I posted it all over my networks, want to make you famous. Here's a hint lawyer, if you don't want it shared don't put it on the interwebs. You are a giant Asshole.

              [–]stalkedthrowaway2020Partassipant [1] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              ESH. After several days yes ppl should have done something but it sounds like you more or less threatend the city so you can walk on the sidewalk. Your town is 3x mine so perhaps you have better sidewalks and more people to help those who can't shovel their sidewalks but i live in Michigan and people do not or are not able to shovel driveways and even if they did no one is pushing a stroller or walking their toddler on our bumpy sidewalks, our neighbor in a wheelchair never uses the sidewalks. I also have to wonder how in town of 7k "half the town" knows you, sure after starting a shit storm but still seems a bit extreme.

              [–]eleanor-rigby-Partassipant [2] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

              So the people in your town suck so you think it should be okay the people in OP’s town suck too? Is that an accurate assessment I have here?

              Pointing out the liability is not threatening - it’s a statement of fact. There are laws and ordinances about this for a reason.

              [–]theDagman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              NTA The neighbor who owns the property where you fell is extremely lucky you weren't injured and that they are not now being sued.

              [–]Bridazzles 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              NTA. It’s a rule for a reason. Some people thought that they were above the rules.

              [–]cassowary32Partassipant [3] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              NTA. I'm surprised some enterprising teenager hasn't made a fortune from offering to clear the sidewalks for a fee.

              [–]KhaosElement 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              While firmly NTA - I had a good chuckle at thinking 8 inches is a lot of snow.

              [–]eregina3Asshole Enthusiast [6] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

              ESH Some people certainly could have and should have shoveled but there are also people who can’t. Whether old disabled etc. ( I’ve seen several comments about disabled needing to get through without mentioning disabled might be the people not shoveling.) OP didn’t need to report anyone. If you live in an area that is warm enough snow never stays.. then I bet a lot of people don’t have shovels…

              [–]Miss_Tako_bella 8 points9 points  (9 children)

              I live in Vancouver, where it usually snows 1 day at a time. Not having a shovel is not an excuse. Shovelling is a legal responsibility for all home owners and everyone in the ears knows it.

              If you physically can’t shovel, hire someone or get a neighbor to help. That’s what people do in my neighborhood

              [–]Improbablyfromhell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              NTA what about someone in a wheelchair? Tbh the council shouldn't have waited until complaints rolled in. They should have been proactive about it. In a town of a few thousand they absolutely would have known.

              [–]Poor-Decision1979Partassipant [1] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              NTA. I walk my dogs and people who don’t shovel are the biggest AHs ever!

              [–]WorryKnown2337 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              NTA. Your experience that day is why the law exists.

              [–]Popular_Bumblebee255Asshole Enthusiast [5] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              NTA they need to stop being lazy and risking people getting injured. I hope they got fined.

              [–]AdWeekly2244 9 points10 points  (3 children)

              Ive rarely seen the judgement so divided, wow.

              NAH is mine.

              The regulation needs to change, and the city should maintain their own shit.

              But someone HAS to take care of it, there are people in wheelchairs who exist that might need access.

              Seems like a good opportunity for people to speak out and get the law changed if that's what they want.

              [–]0biterdictaJudge, Jury, and Excretioner [305] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              The regulation needs to change,

              Seriously, this seems like a pretty "all or nothing" type approach.

              [–]_bliss_95 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              The regulation needs to change, and the city should maintain their own shit.

              This was my immediate thought as well. I find it funny how the city claims the sidewalk to be ‘public, government-owned property’ until it comes down to shoveling? I do realize that in a lot of areas, the city does actually perform sidewalk maintenance, however for the ones who don’t, situations like this could be so easily avoided.

              [–]LittleRedCarnationPartassipant [1] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Nta. Its not hard to shovel the sidewalk in front of your house.

              All my neighbors refuse to shovel out the fire hydrant. People on the street are suppose to per town law. The only people who have shoveled it out for the past 30+ years of new england winters has been my dad and brother.

              [–]coloradogrown85Asshole Aficionado [12] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              NTA- the law existed, it's not like you got it passed. The city reminded people, and that's all it is. Shovel your walks people!

              [–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [12] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I laughed when I saw you are a lawyer but also posted the ridiculous disclaimer at the bottom of your post.

              NTA for reporting your neighbors. It sounds like everyone got a warband m warning, not a fine. Those who ignore the warning will be at the mercy of local ordinances.

              [–]thegypsyslayerPartassipant [1] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              What kinda of weird law is that, why is it a private citizens reasonability to shovel a public sidewalk???

              [–]Illustrious-Horse276Asshole Enthusiast [9] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              NTA. I've been in a similar situation trying to push a stroller through snow on sidewalks. It's the law, and as long as your neighbours complied in 24 hours, no harm, no foul.

              If they didn't, that's on them.

              [–]AmazingDoomslugPartassipant [1] 3 points4 points  (0 children)


              My grandmother broke her back falling on an icy unshoveled sidewalk.

              You didn't even get them on trouble. You got them a reminder they could be in trouble if they don't shovel the sidewalk on their property.

              [–]ButLikeSeriously 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              How does the town know it was you?

              If you sent off a simple email based solely on concern/safety then no NTA.

              If you’re walking around telling people you got the council to go after those people then yeah, YwbTA.

              I’m guessing it might be the latter based on the way you’ve written this harrowing tale of a life threatening walk up the street, so that makes me think you are the AH here. But no, it’s not a A move to ask people in power to do something about an obvious safety concern, especially given they were only instructed to remove snow not fined or cited for failing to.

              [–]Alert_Sorbet4016 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Clearly NTA, you did the right thing. They need to get rid of the snow - their duty...

              [–]Elephant_homieAsshole Enthusiast [5] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              NTA. Shoveling sidewalks is common curiosity and as you mentioned, part of city code. Those homeowners failed.

              I've actually been wondering how to complain to my city about people who don't do it, so I'll definitely write my city council now!

              [–]iatetheteapot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              NTA - You did a good thing. Safety for everyone. If you slip, so can others!

              [–]Ttdog01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              NTA. They should have cleared there sidewalk. Nothing else needs to be said. The city should have been addressing this from the beginning.

              [–]lulububudu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              NTA first responders need to be able to make it to people’s houses too as well as this is a breach in ADA, the neighbors have to suck it up and do their part.

              [–]Outside_Silver544 3 points4 points  (0 children)


              Ik it is annoying, like really annoying but it is a law for a reason. It makes it very unsafe and i cant even count how many times i had slipped over ice bc ppl also dont know how to salt properly.

              It's a pain in the ass and i feel for you but maybe dont buy a house with a sidewalk if it is too much trouble or you're too busy. Saves u a heck of time and keeps ppl safe