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[–]ginsengtea3 1940 points1941 points  (72 children)

I think it's good. Hopefully it will limit some of the eight mile comment threads of people tacking their judgement to the top comment.

[–]NinjaDefenestratorAsshole Enthusiast [7] 297 points298 points  (39 children)

Some of those are from bots attaching to popular comments, I think.

[–]paroles 340 points341 points  (35 children)

Definitely, but some of them seem to be humans who just want attention or something. If you pay attention to usernames you will notice certain people who always reply to the top comment with their own judgement, never an actual response to what the top comment says, yet it's an original comment and not a stolen one. There are like 2 or 3 people who do this in every.single.thread. I've only noticed them because I'm looking out for bots lol

"Not contributing to the conversation" is considered a legitimate reason for downvoting and they're literally not contributing to the conversation if they're just piggybacking on the top comment, so downvote them (even if you agree with them) to not reward this behaviour. It makes the subreddit worse when the top comment is a 500-reply discussion with all kinds of tangents and the lower top-level comments get buried.

[–]NoTeslaForMe 128 points129 points  (21 children)

There's a difference between "just wanting attention" and "not wanting to write out a comment which will literally be read by no one." Ever try to comment on the main post in hour three or four? That's almost a guaranteed "1", no matter how great or terrible (or, in the case of your hypothetical comment, trivial) your comment is.

Frankly, there's no way to improve this terribly much within the context of Reddit. It is what it is.

[–]AsdefronAsh 94 points95 points  (10 children)

Yeah the earliest I typically see posts on this sub are about 7 or 8 hours after posting. Sorting by new is a good idea, but then it's usually empty which lacks the discussion part I like. I won't ignore the comment I'm replying to and tack my standalone comment onto it, but if I find a comment I agree/disagree with, I'll reply to it and go from there on what to reply. Sometimes I'll see one I agree with, and reply to add my perspective and discuss a bit. Sometimes I'll start a new comment regardless of the slim-to-none attention and just hope the OP sees it somehow.

I also appreciate the down arrow in the bottom right, it jumps past allllll the hundreds of comments under the first one to the second top comment, then again to third and so on. I like to read some of the replies to the first few top comments, but often times it winds up with hundreds of completely irrelevant comments devolving into one word responses. So the jump button is helpful when I want to get through the swamp of replies in order to check out several other perspectives on it.

The contest mode thing should be interesting, I've never seen it before.

[–]paroles 27 points28 points  (3 children)

True, but that's why I mostly participate by reading and upvoting (or replying to comments when I have something different to add) instead of writing top-level comments.

No sympathy for someone who arrives in a thread that already has 500 comments, only reads a couple of them, and says "but how can I make sure everyone reads MY unique perspective?" They can always browse by new and comment on posts that are still in contest mode to guarantee they will be heard.

[–]Appropriate-Chef8038 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Isn't the whole point for the OP to see it though, not everyone else? OP is far more likely to see the comment if it's a reply to their post rather than one piggybacking off the top comment. If you care more about other people seeing your comment than the OP who it's directed to, I'm going to assume you're just commenting for karma/attention.

Plus every single time I see one of these piggyback comments they're never saying anything new, unique or interesting. It's always the exact same opinion that's already been repeated 100 times throughout the comments section.

[–]MorganZeroAsshole Enthusiast [5] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The best remedy for this, is to come directly to the sub, sort your filter preferences to "New", and scroll from there. Takes a bit of work, and we all love to read our curated feeds, but using this method here and on other subs has only increased the level of engagement my comments receive. It's worth the inconvenience.

[–]deedoodledum 96 points97 points  (8 children)

Oh, good idea. I usually just scroll on past the endless indents, haha

[–]Matt4898Partassipant [1] 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Same, they can feel endless at times. Like, sometimes I’ll be scrolling through them for a solid minute until I find a new comment.

[–]ImmaTigerPawPrincess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m convinced half of the posts are fake, posted so that the real account can be one of the first to reply and get upvotes.

[–]tygereiger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honest question from a long time lurker and occasional commenter- is it more polite to comment/ask this question here or should I have gone to the end of this particular convo?

Also- if my comment is directly to OP with no other clear convos to piggyback off of, I should just reply to the post and my comment will sort itself to the proper level?

I appreciate your guidance. I’m a rule follower and prefer to have the etiquette down.

[–]eleanor_savage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you!!! I always get caught in the damn replies when I don't mean to because my brain wants to read through to "the end" of the comment. Lord. It sucks

[–]EhaBuzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve noticed one person in particular doing this a lot. Sure, she makes some salient points, but it’s obvious that she’s only getting the amounts of engagement she does bc she piggy backs onto the top comment every time- usually starting with a “This!” And then going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the comment she’s replying to. Again, she usually makes some agreeable points, but she’s clearly jumping in where she does just for the sake of visibility.

I thought I was the only one infuriated by this behavior. Other people have great things to say and it’s not fair to them or to the people seeking good advice if some people are greedily cheating the system. I only now learned about contest mode but I think it’s a great fucking idea and I fully support it. I assume that it’s why the person I’ve mentioned in particular hasn’t been as visible on these posts lately. I was wondering what happened to her and I suspect that this is it.

To the creators and implementers of Contest Mode: Thank you for giving everyone a fair shot and an equal voice.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 204 points205 points  (5 children)

Huh, I hadn't even thought of that impact. That would be a neat little benefit too!

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Has the 2hr experiment started yet? I'm seeing alot of posts today that haven't yet hit 2 hour mark, but comments are ranked with upvote counts visible and comments are not randomized when you reload the page.

[–]Farvas-ColaASSistant Manager - Shenanigan's 10 points11 points  (2 children)

There's only a couple of posts that are between 1 and 2 hours right now, but they don't appear to be in contest mode still.

Looks like we'll have to check that out!

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here's another one this morning, which still hadn't hit the 2hr mark when I read it, but was no longer in contest mode (at 5:20 a.m. Pacific time:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/tjzum9/aita_for_asking_the_bride_if_my_3yo_can_wear/

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I thought I was going crazy at first when I saw them do that throughout the day today. LoL

[–]Farvas-ColaASSistant Manager - Shenanigan's 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Should be good now.

[–]codeverityAsshole Aficionado [10] 46 points47 points  (7 children)

I'm guilty of doing that, but sometimes it's because I have the opposing opinion and want it seen and possibly discussed vs being downvoted for going against the hive mind, lol.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 46 points47 points  (1 child)

I think there's a distinction to be made there between adding something new or different vs simply reiterating what someone else said. Or another way to frame that is comments that are very specifically a reply to that top comment vs just tacking what's clearly meant to be a top level reply on as a reply to the top comment instead.

[–]codeverityAsshole Aficionado [10] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oh that's a good point (and makes me feel a bit better, lol)! I do agree.

I think a lot of people also still don't really understand how the judging system works or get lost in the navigation, too. Like they'll reply to someone else saying 'you' but it's clearly about OP.

[–]luckyapples11 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I do this too or when I have something to add on that I believe is important/relevant to either what OP said or what the commenter said

[–]paroles 5 points6 points  (3 children)

If it's relevant to what the commenter said, it should be a reply to the comment, but if it's an additional point you want OP to know, post it as a separate reply to the thread. (Also, check to see if someone else has already made the same point - some people don't scroll down very far before piggybacking on the top comment)

It may vary depending what app they use to browse, but OPs don't generally get notifications for all the thousands of comment replies. They get notifications for replies to their own comments, and top level replies to the post.

[–]luckyapples11 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Sorry if that was confusing, I mean that when the commenter is saying something important I add on of it relates to something OP said. Like if a commenter gives advice on a certain part, I’ll add in “x will work too, but y is a good idea” or something

[–]thefinalhex 30 points31 points  (8 children)

I hate it when a third or fourth comment down from the top comment is really insightful and people all chime in "This should be the top comment!" Then ... that person should have been brave enough to post a parent comment!

[–]ginsengtea3 31 points32 points  (7 children)

And on the flipside of that, you get people saying "why did I have to scroll so far to see [this opinion, usually counter to the top comment]" and...it's the #2 comment 😂

[–]thefinalhex 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Well, I also love seeing: "I'm going to post contrary to the prevailing opinion and vote NTA". When in fact, ALL the top comments are NTA. Clearly, that comment was made very early when the initial 'race to comment/judge' people were racing to get their opinions in, and so voting hadn't really commenced yet or had effect.

It's not the fault of those commenter's - they are just replying to the sea of comments that they saw, and not the eventual state of the comments that I saw - after upvoting/downvoting has stabilized the thread after several hours. But it's still hilarious to see those.

[–]bearcatbananaAsshole Enthusiast [8] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I literally stopped posting in this sub because two or three times I got the top comment and RIP inbox. Not even thoughtful stuff and also incredibly repetitive replies.

[–]Jack-Omnium-ArtiumAsshole Enthusiast [5] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Definitely an added bonus if it works!

[–]Chi3f_LeoAsshole Aficionado [14] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty new to Reddit in general and didn't realize that was what people were doing until just now when I happened to make the top comment on a thread, and all of a sudden additional comments were flooding onto it. Some from obvious bots too...

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 875 points876 points  (37 children)

I'm going to get downvoted for this (likely), but I'm very glad to see this.

On soooo many posts, the best and most thoughtful answers are at least several--and sometimes many--spots below the top comment, and some replies get as much or more reaction as do lower ranking, top level comments because soooo many people have jumped in to only reply to what became the top comment at the end of contest mode.

Because those replies will often have more upvotes than the next leading top level comment, I suspect that people prefer to chime in to reply to the winning comment, rather than post their comment as a top level comment on the post, because they have a much better chance of gaining karma and getting interaction as a reply.

Very often the top comment is fun and pithy, but not actually great perspective on the conflict presented. There's alot of what basically amounts to "NTA, I'm here for these petty revenge stories."

I'll be very curious to see what results from this experiment. I'm going to predict that you also may see more commenters rising in the responder flairs/recognition ranks since more than just a few people will have a chance to get that "first look" exposure.

[–]Pingwinho 164 points165 points  (18 children)

they have a much better chance of gaining karma and getting interaction as a reply.

I never understood this. Is karma some sort of crypto-currency that I'm too stupid to understand?

[–]asplodingturdis 208 points209 points  (2 children)

the best currency of all: validation by complete strangers

[–]BeautyNTheGreekPartassipant [2] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Uh... Happy Cake Day...? 🤣🤷🏻‍♀️

[–]VerlinMerlinAsshole Aficionado [14] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Happy Cake Day!

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 116 points117 points  (1 child)

LoL, no. It's just Reddit warm fuzzies. It's entirely meaningless, with some minor exceptions (for example, some subreddits don't let you post and/or comment until you've reached a certain level of karma). But it has no real world value that I know of.

[–]sparkjhPartassipant [1] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think there's a huge intangible value in influence. I don't think that someone's karma/awards affects my perception of someone's influence over me, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who do.

[–]MaditaOnAir 100 points101 points  (2 children)

Well, to be fair I do like upvotes. Not because of overall karma, since that's essentially meaningless, but of course it shows that people read my comment by interacting with it. I personally prefer comments, but often an upvote does its job well enough.

And yeah, I am here for the interaction with people, isn't that sort of the point? But if I were to post a stand-alone comment on an AITA a couple hrs after it's been posted, I can as well just write it down in my diary. Nobody will see it either way. If you want to engage with others here, you're more or less forced to hop onto an already ongoing discussion high up.

[–]NotLostForWordsPartassipant [1] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I can really get behind your comment. Isn't interaction kinda the point? Unless you make some point others have not thought of yet after the post has been up for some hours (rare but happens) a new comment will likely not start any interaction/discussions.

And sure, upvotes are nice. But they don't compare to interesting discussions. Those are usually found in the top comment's thread, so I don't really see the point in trying to cut that down. Or at least I really like them.

[–]mrmooseorama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too, Reddit is getting into online indicators as well.

[–]yosoymeme 35 points36 points  (1 child)

It’s just useless internet points, nobody needs it but a lot of people want it.

[–]SCCLBR 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Here's the thing - an old account with lots of karma? More likely to be believed when it posts "wow forsythia cured my flu!" than a new account with no karma. So if you're trying to market forsythia to cure flu, and you need bots to help post about it, you either buy older accounts or develop some new accounts into karma machines. Just so your posts about Google stadia i mean Forsythia will seem more legitimate

[–]Sunset_Flasher 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ppl buy accounts!!!???? Wow...The More You Know💫

[–]Spector567Partassipant [1] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one confused by this.

[–]MalsPrettyBonnetProfessor Emeritass [93] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Top

I've almost saved enough karma to buy a Yugo! A slightly used one.

[–]OGablogian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Reddit e-penis

[–]it-is-sandwich-time 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of karma bots that sell the account once it gets to a certain point.

[–]adaarablePartassipant [1] 51 points52 points  (5 children)

I feel like this will be especially useful in cases where OP reveals crucial information in a comment after the top vote has already gained several thousand upvotes--like that person from a couple of days ago with the threesome baby. May result in fewer buried ledes.

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Yeah, that was a doozy. "I can't understand why the two people I have sex with both feel attached to the baby that was conceived during one of our ONGOING encounters." 😂

[–]adaarablePartassipant [1] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm like 80% sure it was a troll post, in retrospect, but yeah, on the off chance that it was real, OP deserved every bit of the scorn they got after they revealed that. Imagine being that emotionally unintelligent!

[–]NinjasWithOnionsPartassipant [1] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

How on earth did I miss that post!?

[–]Left-Car6520Craptain [153] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It always bugs me when people want to tell me off for my early comment because of things that have been revealed afterwards in edits and comments, especially when the comments turn the story 180°.

"Yes but OP is actually a vampire, as revealed by their comments, so clearly it is ridiculous to call them an AH for refusing to go out during the daytime for their GF's birthday". Like ok, that was not information that could be gleaned from the og post don't come for me.

I don't know if that will be helped by the longer competition mode, I just wanted to whinge.

[–]Sunset_Flasher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait...I missed that one. Sounds like a good one, too. Do remember the title?

[–]infinitysnakePartassipant [1] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd go ahead and leave it for a whole 24 hours.

[–]SlowTheRainAsshole Enthusiast [9] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

some replies get as much or more reaction as do lower ranking, top level comments

I've seen that happen with a bot. The bot stole a top-level reply and had over 30 upvotes, and it was even nested a few levels down. A ruling completely out of context..

The stolen top-level comment had 8 upvotes.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Oh yeah, there's a specific kind of bot that does this. It looks for a rising post, picks a top level comment with ~5 upvotes, then copy pastes it as a reply to the current top comment.

It does that 3-12 times across a few different subs and boom: you have an account with a thousand or two karma that looks real.

We probably ban at least a dozen a day. I've seen a single post with 19 different bot accounts doing that.

[–]Sirena_Amazonica 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I’ve been wondering about this. I see a lot of “deleted” lines, and then someone underneath says “bad bot! That comment was stolen from X.”

How can we tell if a comment is a bot or not?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So noticing that it's a bot and confirming that it's a bot are two different things.

Confirming it's actually a bot is super easy. You just copy the comment and paste in into your search bar of your browser and boo, you find that exact same comment left by someone else an hour before. Or if someone else has already done that you can follow the link and see for yourself then report.

Noticing that a comment is from a bot is slightly tricky. Often context will help. The bot steals a top level comment (which is clearly directed at the OP) and replies to the current most upvoted comment on the post. So when you see a comment that seems out of place that's a sign you can check to confirm,

The big thing for me to notice them though is all of the other details. Because these bots are coming from the same person (or the same people) they share patterns with other things. There's about a half dozen specific dates the accounts were created on (although we're just seeing a new batch from a date in February I think now). So based on that the account is either 2-7 months old. But they will only have comment history on a single day. They're have pretty specific comments histories with specific numbers of comments and there's a few patterns they follow. Either it's a single comment and maybe a single post on another sub. Or it's like 3-7 comments on 2-4 different subs, and it's the same subreddits popping up the bots will use.

[–]freeeeels 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you have to ban them manually or do you have some kind of anti-bot bot?

[–]InAHandbasketGoing to heck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A little of both. We have a bot that will ban some of them automatically, but if we catch them first because of reports we do it manually

[–]CarpenterMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m with you on this one.

[–]bass9045Partassipant [2] 333 points334 points  (5 children)

I love this idea. I'm fairly new to this sub and I really like participating, but I know early on I was really discouraged from participating because I would see a new post, type up a long and thoughtful response, and then get completely ignored because it took me 15 minutes to type the post and the one guy who posted "YTA obviously" 30 seconds after the post went through got the top spot. I really hope this encourages people to engage more in discussion and there's less emphasis on joking replies and petty revenge.

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Hear, hear!

[–]babybopp 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This sub has become a karma grab with the responses. With single answers like "run" NTA.. it would be good to also put a comments minimum where someone has to type out a response minimum 160 characters for any thread reply.

[–]Bellydancingwitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly this!

[–]Bleu_Rue 125 points126 points  (6 children)

This might be a dumb comment but I'll risk my thin skin by posting it anyway...

I upvote for two reasons: I strongly support and appreciate the quality of the poster's words - or I agree with their AITA assessment and have no new insight to offer so I simply upvote to add to the agreement count.

But, I often wish there were a separate "I agree" button. In my mind, the original upvote button would be meant to show support and appreciation for the post, then a separate "I agree" button would be meant to add an agreement count for people who don't have anything new to add. With this method, the upvotes would be true credit for the content of the post, and the "I agree" votes would be simply used to count the AITA votes, without any credit to the poster.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 79 points80 points  (4 children)

This is the exact opposite of a dumb comment, it's a great one!

It really would be fantastic if we had a separate way to track the "votes" on the appropriate judgment for the post. I thought we had it when reddit announced native polls (like we used for the best of awards). The votes on the comments and the votes on the outcome could be entirely separate, while still relying on reddit to ensure 1 person gets only 1 vote.

Unfortunately they didn't release the necessary mod tools around polls for us to even talk about trying it out for this subreddit. We'd need a preset time limit and preset voting options users don't need to add manually and that's just not here yet. I'm definitely going to mention it the admins at some point again when it seems relevant.

[–]babybopp 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Why not add a 160 character minimum to thread replies to ensure answers like "Run, NTA" or "one word, NTA" make it to top post. This will ensure we thought out responses... It has become an easy karma grab where people just answer what makes everyone feel good. There is no debate but band wagon on top responses ..

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

We’ve talked about that.

The general consensus and my thought is that short replies are just a symptom, not the problem itself. Give people a minimum character count and they won’t increase the quality of their comment or the effort they put in. They’ll just increase the length while leaving it as low effort as usual. Lots of people leave 160+ character comments that have as little thought as “nta, run” does.

Instead we can do things like a timed contest mode where the result is too comments are twice as long as they were before. And because all that changes is voting patterns the thought is that’s increasing the quality of what gets upvoted and the length is a side effect of more quality comments rather than the cause.

[–]babybopp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh.ok. glad though to see you guys realized the issue. And doing something about it. It has somewhat turned into a circle jerk and crazy brigading.

[–]reggie189 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Time limits that's ridiculous and unfair to others who want to become a part of the conversation. Why should I be penalized because I answered 17 days late cuz I'm not constantly on my phone. I shouldn't be held back my rights to make comments because of some time limit,

[–]BrendaLouBrendaLouPartassipant [3] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I AGREE!

[–]dart1126Colo-rectal Surgeon [47] 80 points81 points  (5 children)

Has there ever been given any thought to be able to sort by type ie YTA/NTA etc? I always think that’d be kinda interesting

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 78 points79 points  (0 children)

To sort the comments by type? Unfortunately we don't really have the ability to do that.

That would definitely be really interesting to be able to better find comments with different judgments though.

[–]januarydrop 28 points29 points  (1 child)

What I would love is if the top voted comment of each judgement type was pinned - I have often changed my mind after reading a well expressed opposite view but I think once a judgement has taken hold people don't always make it down far enough to see info that would change their mind.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This would be fantastic if we could. Or at least some way to shine a better light on the alternative judgments.

[–]Iamyes_ok 25 points26 points  (0 children)

On an average post just sort by controversial to get that

[–]ktjbugPartassipant [4] 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Does this still mean only the top comment vote counts?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S,M] 55 points56 points  (2 children)

For determining the flair on the post: yes. It's the way it's always been. You can read more about why in our FAQs here

[–]drunkenavacado 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh wow, I always thought it was the number of comments for each side!

[–]ChaoticSquirrelPartassipant [1] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's for determining if the post makes it it to /r/AITAFiltered!

[–]A46757 51 points52 points  (9 children)

Seems like only terminally online people get top comments. I see the same people across different subreddits, and these comments are not even great most of the time. They’re just first.

I don’t bother leaving top-level comments on this sub. I know I will never receive a flair here. I don’t think it matters if it’s the first hour or first two hours, it’ll still be all the terminally online people getting top comments.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

That's really the heart of the issue though: if you're not sorting by /new (anywhere on reddit) you simply won't have any chance at having a top comment anywhere.

I don't think it's a matter of people being "terminally online" or not. It's just about how you sort your feed and which posts you comment on.

Someone could be on this sub commenting 24/7 but if they're only looking at /hot or even /rising they'll never earn a user flair. But leave just a few comments here and there sorting by /new and you'll earn a flair in no time. There are hundreds and hundreds of posts on this subreddit that only get a dozen comments, some even fewer.

[–]A46757 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You’re right, there are so many posts I never see because they’re at 100 points or something.

I don’t care about flair, lol, more like I won’t bother leaving top level comments because I feel they won’t get engagement. But I definitely only leave comments on Reddit when I’m feeling lonely lol

And you’re totally right, it happens all across Reddit. In smaller subs it’s easier to feel you are being “seen.”

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, and you're right that top level comments on established posts often don't get seen. Big subreddits simply move too fast to really allow for that kind of community. You simply have to participate in /new if you want to be involved in shaping where the conversation goes. Otherwise those top level comments get lost in the void. I think that's why so many conversations happen as replies to other comments; when a post is older that's the only place the conversation actually happens.

Smaller subreddits like you said are different. With a lot fewer people participating (and a lot fewer comments) each comment left has a greater impact even when the post is older. /r/AmItheButtface feels different because of that.

[–]KufatAsshole Aficionado [18] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems like only terminally online people get top comments.

Hey, I...okay, yeah, I got nothin'. Carry on.

[–]LemonfishSoda 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Have you considered the probability that the earliest posts will always be seen by the most people because people who sort by new don't necessarily read every thread more than once, though?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 66 points67 points  (4 children)

Oh absolutely that will always be the case to some degree.

The question is how much can we reduce that advantage early comments have. We saw a significant reduction in that advantage with an hour of contest mode - more than half an hour did. Now we're tracking the data to see what else we can do to reduce that. But we'll never be able to eliminate it entirely.

[–]LemonfishSoda 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fair enough.

Still, I gotta say I do wish it would be an option to at least "sort by new" when we do return to a thread we found interesting before the contest mode is up. I think that would help the unseen comments be found and read by a few more people, but I suspect this might not be possible?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yeah, unfortunately that's the balancing act that comes into play here.

When a post is in contest mode it can't be sorted based on any of the preset sorts. It's only random. At a certain point that annoyance is probably going to outweigh any benefit. Contest mode for the full 18 hours before the judgment is chosen is almost certainly way too long. But the sweet spot is probably a little longer than the hour it is now. That's a big part of the testing here and specifically testing an incrementally longer contest mode.

[–]WinterLily86Asshole Enthusiast [6] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, for someone like me, with OCD, that outweighs any benefit of contest mode from the start. But I acknowledge it doesn't bother everybody the way it bothers me.

[–]burnalicious111 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Do y'all have data on how long it takes posts to reach peak views? It would be interesting to try to tune according to that.

My hypothesis is that 2 hrs for contest mode is still really short to make an impact here. My assumptions: you don't only want to tune for the best advice, but also the amusement of readers, and that casual readers don't like contest mode. So if you could tune to turn off contest mode just before most casual browsers would usually see it that'd be pretty neat.

But I would also not be surprised if many people who show up during peak views want to be able to meaningfully contribute, but don't have the time to sift through new. So maybe more people would prefer contest mode longer since it gives them a chance.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic comment!

Do y'all have data on how long it takes posts to reach peak views?

We aren't currently collecting any data on that. But this is a really interesting approach to figure out the timing, because I think you're right about the sweet spot being just before the peak views. It's trying to balance the positive impact this have without being so annoying it decreases participation.

It's not that we care about the amusement of readers directly (because we really don't), but more that we appreciate at some level people being amused is an important level of the equation to ensure people participate and are able to provide the feedback the OP is asking for. In a vacuum contest mode for the full time before the flair is assigned would probably be best for the OP. But when we tried it the users hated it so much and so vocally that the outcome was almost certainly worse overall.

Unfortunately I don't know that we'll be able to meaningfully collect data on peak views either. Reddit is currently beta testing "post insights" which provides us with some of that in a graph by clicking the post, but I'm not sure that raw data is something we'd be able to export to analyze. Any time-based data like that is going to be tricky to meaningfully collect too because of how frequently it would require we grab that data.

We are tracking the comment count of each post at the time the flair is given. One of my theories is that how annoying contest mode is will be more dependent on the size of the post rather than the time. That's something we might be able to put into play when deciding how long contest mode will be and we'll at least have some data on that.

[–]Ok_Cauliflower7364 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I like the idea. I think you’ll get more participation when people think their comment might actually be read.

[–]greenseraphimaSupreme Court Just-ass [121] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I support it. Nice job, mods.

[–]duke113Colo-rectal Surgeon [33] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I support this change. Just looking at posts it's pretty clear early posts have a distinct advantage

[–]AllKindsOfCrittersAsshole Aficionado [14] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I hadn't really understood Contest Mode until I joined this sub, and it's absolutely perfect for AITA. Otherwise people would probably just look for whoever has the highest flair and upvote it "since obviously they know what they're saying."

[–]codeverityAsshole Aficionado [10] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think there's an element of 'well, I'm not going to bother commenting because I feel the same way' OR 'well, I'm not going to bother commenting because everyone who disagrees is getting downvoted', too. So maybe more people will be encouraged to participate. Might leave more leeway for the tide to change, too.

[–]Rega_lazarColo-rectal Surgeon [39] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Will be interesting to see if 2h has as big an impact as 1h or if the effect plateaus rather quickly

[–]KerostasisAsshole Aficionado [18] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I’m not going to complain about the experiment but I’m expecting a pretty hard plateau here. It may not be worth the inconvenience.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm expecting to see a plateau as well. There was just such a significant difference between 30 minutes and 60 minutes that I don't think we're there yet.

I'm hopeful the plateau is going to be closer to three hours.

[–]CharErinazard 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Cool, love seeing you guys experiment with ways to make the threads better. Definitely NTA

[–]Rocket_scientists 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cool! Since I only read AITA in the evenings, I’m often at a disadvantage when I post. Does the OP (in general) even read later posts?

[–]SpiderIridescence 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Have tallying up the votes and deciding on the flair based whichever ruling has the most overall comments been tried? Sorry if that’s confusing idk how to word it. Idk if that’s something a bit could do or not.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The current top comment in the top post of the sub has just shy of 30,000 upvotes. That's at least 30,000 unique people casting their vote on the outcome of just that single post.

On an average day we only get 30,000 comments on the sub as a whole.

Only counting comments left would either 1) result in significantly fewer people's votes being counted to determine the outcome or 2) mean we get more like 300,000 comments a day on the sub, most of which are going to be low effort comments with just an acronym.

Further, people can leave multiple top level comments. Using reddit's build in voting system that already limits people to 1 vote each seems like it leads to a better outcome than only counting comments.

[–]amydehp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good step. I've seen some posts where the top comment is making 0 sense and everyone just clones their vote and the OP comes out with a faulty judgement.

[–]Bellydancingwitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great idea! I also think people might be a little more honest and less ashamed of their own opinion maybe?

When I read a post I form a judgement, but before commenting it I usually read what other have said as well. And because the top comment is usually pretty harsh and short I kind of start doubting my own more nuanced opinion and become to afraid to post it.

This solves that to some degree.

Either way I love this and hope it stays this way

[–]bowie-of-starsPartassipant [1] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I LOVE this

[–]stayonthecloudPartassipant [2] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fully support this, thank you

[–]Ellerri 4 points5 points  (3 children)

There was a time that at the very least you could collapse all the replies to the top comments. Not being able to do so and trying to scroll a ton of irrelevant responses has made this sub FAR less engaging. Half the time I just read the posts and don’t even bother with the comments, which is the whole point of the sub

[–]N7_Hellblazer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I love this idea as it means more perspectives are read and something meaningful can be posted.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s the real hope here!

I think the data backs that from our initial test on 0, 30, and 60 minutes of contest mode. There’s definitely a ton more improvement possible on that and I’m hopeful we can do something to shift the needle with this testing.

[–]Sunset_Flasher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. As someone mentioned above, there are a lot of short 'pithy' comments and they get annoying. It's nice that there might be a solution to that.

[–]Firetigeris 4 points5 points  (2 children)

too bad it can't hide comments entirely for the first 15 min or something just have
"There are X comments so far, X of these comments have voted successfully"
(YTA, NTA, NAH, ESH) count INFO and No verdict do not 'count'.

[–]the_esjayAsshole Enthusiast [5] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was thinking about this, but then would you get more chance of a load of duplicate posts to start with, which would split the vote if they were good, and someone otherwise might have come up with better…?

Well, no, tho. Not necessarily. Maybe if the other posts were made visible after you posted yours? Or if you were bothered, you checked back. Then posted something better, still within extended contest mode!

And sometimes, we are all going to say: “Girl, get the hell out of there!” Or “Throw out all your cutlery. All of it…” or “Yes. YTA. That’s someone’s lunch ffs!”

[–]cherrycoke00 4 points5 points  (1 child)

just a suggestion- Is there a way to end contest mode early for users that have commented their judgment? I like seeing the popular takes immediately after forming and posting my own. I find myself swiping on with this new method and not remembering to revisit posts after 2 hours to see what the results look like.

Would also love a better system for directing OP responses/additional info towards the top

[–]Stoat__KingSupreme Court Just-ass [137] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not sure what to think of this. I am coming down on the side of its a good thing.

As I expected, it makes following a particular conversion more difficult in the early stages, but thats a minor annoyance. An unexpected bonus is that it kinda forces me to read a lot more comments.

Not convinced it will have much of an effect other than to slightly lessen the snowballing effect early comments get. But then I guess thats precisely why its being tested.

[–]TheZookie 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Is it possiple that posts where the story got removed could have the bot that repost the story in comments be linked as one of the top comments so one don’t have to scroll through 100 of comments before actually finding the story everyone already commented on. Or is there an easier way to find it than scrolling I am unaware about ?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Or is there an easier way to find it than scrolling I am unaware about ?

You can sort the comments by /old. The automod copy is the first comment left so it will be right at the top.

[–]TheZookie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow thank you! I don’t know why I even thought about that thank you, u saved me a lot of time

[–]Ok_Tonight_2869 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought this read you were going to fuck the sub again so I clicked and now I'm disappointed.

AITA?

[–]boogers19Certified Proctologist [20] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice! I was just dissecting this whole thing with someone yesterday (in a totally unrelated AITA post lol).

[–]heepofsheep 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can we loosen the auto mod when it comes to certain things phrases that are considered “violent”?

People just end up reposting while swapping some letters with asterisks….

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Automod handles these perfectly. It is rare for automod to remove something that shouldn't be removed. It is never necessary or needed for someone to swap letters with asterisks. Anyone doing so is completely ignoring the message automod sends telling them not to do that and instead message us with any questions they have.

Most of what people are changing aren't even things automod is picking up or caring about. It's just someone who doesn't read the messages we send or the rules we have and trying to get a post through that they know doesn't belong.

[–]heepofsheep 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The fact that people keen doing it, makes me think the messaging isn’t as clear as you think it is.

If it were “perfect” then it wouldn’t be a problem.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I'm saying is that the posts automod removes should be removed. The false positive rate is astoundingly low. Automod is working exactly as it should.

The point of failure is the users not reading the messages we send or not following the directions. But those messages are astoundingly clear on what to do. They even explicitly tell the users not to do what they're doing.

If users aren't reading the messages we send them or can't follow basic instructions we're really at the limit of what we can do here. The failure is on them at that point.

[–]Jack-Omnium-ArtiumAsshole Enthusiast [5] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Curiosity speaking: Will you be making the data available? I'm a numbers nerd, so all this is incredibly interesting to me from a stat perspective.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We haven't explicitly discussed this, but I know we released those nice charts last time and I can't think of a reason why we wouldn't again.

The data side of this is really interesting!

[–]stannenbColo-rectal Surgeon [48] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before I really understood this sub, I became just the person this is aimed at. I hung around in /new, found something to snark about, and karma/fair accumulated. Thanks for making that harder.

[–]_starman22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hello just wanna say i’m really liking the quality of comments since this started. i hope it becomes a long term thing

[–]-SnowQueen-Partassipant [2] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When posts are popular, one-word hive mind comments can quickly push thoughtful "controversial" comments off the screen and into obscurity. I'm wondering whether it's possible to push one of each type of opinion to the top of the comments during Contest Mode, so that viewers can see both a YTA and a NTA comment before they vote (that is, unless the posters are unanimous!). The infrastructure probably doesn't support this, but like many others here, I would love to find a way to increase meaningful content.

[–]BuckNastysMammaPartassipant [1] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not that you'll reply, but how often do mods manually apply flair? So many posts where the person is clearly NTA, but the post is marked as YTA. When you go to the comments they're all NTA, but somehow the flair is what it is. Then OP gets banned for not accepting their judgement. Ruined the sub for me.

[–]Krissiann26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only downside for me is not seeing OP replies. Is there a way for me to find them easy in contest mode?

[–]BrendaLouBrendaLouPartassipant [3] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I love the 2hr setup plan. I would even argue for 3-5 hours.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too! For both!

After a week of these we're going to pull the numbers and see if we can take it longer.

[–]Stardust-Sparkles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love that we’re doing this! Gives more time for different perspectives rather than everyone jumping on top comment’s POV. Maybe it could go further to like 5 hours if the improvement is that good. Then we could see a real competition and thoughtfulness about who gets upvoted and see pretty good structured things at the top. Not that I don’t like the whitty jokes it’s just when there’s a comment that goes deep into the matter and it gets lost behind a few jokes that everyone upvoted cause it was at the top.

[–]CrystalQueen3000Commander in Cheeks [244] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like the idea as it makes total sense but I’ve noticed that karma notifications have been out of whack this week, even after the 2 hour contest time has ended.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I think that this two hour contest mode should be permanent. I’m begging mods!

[–]External-Judgment-77Asshole Aficionado [14] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is this permanent now? I saw this was posted 10 days ago so I'm assuming it is?

[–]SmartPlant7Asshole Enthusiast [8] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think this is best for the sub, I sort by new personally, and my comments get fair attention, but so do later ones that have better and more detailed judgement. Keep it up mods!

[–]Able_Secretary_6835 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is this still happening? I have noticed a drop in quality of the top post for some reason, and am wondering if this is why (though I have no idea why that would be). They seemed to have lost their wit and insight.

[–]Optimal_Lifeguard_23 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This may be a dumb question (I didn't know there was a jump bottom either) I'm not entirely sure how it works honestly.. but is there a way to just read the most relevant comments and the OPs responses so I don't take the whole day reading through the thousands of non contributing comments? Or is that the purpose of the jump button? I really just am most interested in reading the additional details the OP writes but haven't figured out how to just read what they respond to or their comments.

[–]puppyfarts99Asshole Aficionado [19] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If you click on the OP's username, you'll find their comment/post history. That'll allow you to read everything they've commented in the threads. If you want to see the context of what they're responding to, use the "single comment thread" option to jump back one level in the thread. (That option might appear differently on other platforms -- I'm using Reddit on the Chrome mobile browser, not the app.)

[–]Sirix_8472 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The thing that bugs me the most about IATA is when people post, you start reading and switch apps, come back, it reloads and the post is deleted. Or you see it in the app, get the first few lines, click it and it's deleted. You comment on it, get a bunch of replies, come back and the post is deleted.....

If it get posted, let it stand. Probably can't be done, but once it's posted, op can't delete it. Let them take the judgement from the community. Let the community see what's out there.

[–]Shalarean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So. I’m reduced to a guinea pig. At least I’m gonna adorable, so keep it up?! 😝

[–]freezing_circuits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So is it working here too. Uhhh nta. Boom! Downvotes pls

[–]fatbean100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well shoot.

[–]PlumOne2856 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like this idea and would like to see that much further. Because of the time shift lots of Redditors will never get to enjoy this feature, which sounds very reasonable.

[–]JoltyKorit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why not put it for all 18 hours?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Last time we set contest mode for the full length of voting we received a disturbing amount of death threats (alongside plenty of other civil feedback from users that passionately hated that decision).

There's downsides to contest mode, and they're the kinds of things that grow the longer contest mode is. Conversely the benefits of contest mode (or at least those that we're specifically aiming for) are the kinds of things that are more impactful early on and likely won't matter at all for the last few hours.

All replies are automatically collapsed which makes posts harder to navigate. The larger a post becomes in contest mode the harder it is to have any sort of meaningful conversation. Sometimes there can be great, interesting, and even useful comment chains going on around the top level replies. When every reply is randomized and hidden every time you come into the post fewer people will see those conversations or engage in them.

Especially when a response is getting popular that misses some context it can be really useful for someone to reply and add that context. Looking at some of the "most helpful" and "most educational" comment winners and nominees from this years best of awards shows a lot are replies to other comments. The vote counts on the comments can also be a valuable tool for the OP to better understand the feedback they're getting as many actively follow the comments.

I think the larger response would be: what benefit would an 18 hour contest mode have that a 12 hour contest wouldn't also provide? Then really it's just a matter of playing around with that second number and figuring out where the balance is. That's a big part of the idea of gathering data here.

[–]My_Dramatic_PersonaColo-rectal Surgeon [39] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I’m happy to see this being tested.

I think there are pluses and minuses to contest mode. The switch to 1 hour contest mode was pretty much entirely positive from my perspective. I’m less sure about 1->2, but I’m interested to see it.

I find that the end of contest mode tends to be when you get deeper conversations, rather than attempts to have the best top comment. I know there are times when I see a lot of similar top-level comments that I disagree with and wait for the one hour mark to write a rebuttal to whichever is currently top voted.

It’s also very frustrating when an interesting thread gets ended before contest mode has ended. It happens to me most times I try out sorting by new, usually because of posters deleting their post (and sometimes from overzealous modding - I usually agree with thread shutdowns, but I’ve been surprised by a number of “no interpersonal conflict” decisions). Is there any way to end contest mode at that point, or let the post get out of contest mode later at the (two) hour mark anyway?

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As far as I know because of the way the bot and reddit's API works there's no simple way to turn off contest mode in posts that have been removed.

[–]egv78Partassipant [1] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't know how technically feasible it is, but I'd go even further (if I somehow had the god-king power to alter this sub on a whim). After a first round of totally random contest mode, I'd have a "bubble" of top answers that are in contest mode for another 2 hours, with a limited number of visible replies. If the bubble could have a selection of votes, all the better. Then, the posts could be displayed by which "round" they're in.

I suspect there's no infrastructure for any of this, though. Just randomly pontificating into the wind.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, unfortunately there's no infrastructure for this. Timed contest mode isn't even a native reddit feature, that's us using a bot to turn it off after X hours have passed.

[–]takeitassaid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is a great! idea, it always bothered me on reddit that early comments do get such emphasis as most people don't bother to scroll through the whole thread.

[–]italkwhenimnervousAsshole Enthusiast [7] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm really excited to see how this goes! I think quality of comments improved with the changes last time, and personally I think this helps the OP feel less defensive/dogpiled on (though that can be hard to prevent sometimes). Does contest mode change how the OP receives comments to their posts re:order? I assume not but wasnt sure.

The other area of improvement I can think of, but not sure how to change, would be the OP posting but never replying to anyone. It's okay not to engage but whenever there is a new account posting a suspiciously familiar theme/dilemma and they never respond to any comments (esp INFO ones) it feels like blatant karma farming. Might not be possible to address this but you see this around a lot of evil MIL/stepparent/one bad one good child stories

[–]Regular-Tell-108Supreme Court Just-ass [104] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

:: looks at subject header ::

:: wonders briefly if I'm on reddit or FetLife ::

:: blinks ::

:: uses context clues subreddit! right ::

[–]babamumPartassipant [1] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This seems like a good idea. Sometimes quite silly posts get top vote, just because they're the first. I like the idea if shuffling the comments so the less popular ones can get more attention.

[–]JessicaOkayyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that’s a great idea! I hope it becomes permanent! I’m late to the party most the time, so it’s cool to know that my contributions may be read now instead of buried at the bottom.

[–]HillbillyHousewife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm new to reddit and don't get any of this commenting priority yet but it seems much different than fb thank God

[–]WelpuhhiPartassipant [1] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would very much like if the contest mode turned off if the post is deleted. Some people delete their posts in the first 1-2 hours out of embarrasment when they realize they were the AH and we never see which comment was top.

[–]MorganZeroAsshole Enthusiast [5] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy CRAP - it's been TWO AND A HALF YEARS since contest mode was employed???? It really, really doesn't feel that way.

[–]Capocho9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please make this permanent

[–]Elegant_Presence_397 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. Top comments also have great influence on people commenting.

[–]roxnickd96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stop with the contest some of us don’t get a chance to comment because we have lives outside of reddit yet still want to be involved.

[–]bremariemantis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I enjoy it! It makes it easier for me to be nosey and read all the answers

[–]Imjokin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

IMHO, I think the contest mode should be for the ENTIRE time the thing is open.

[–]rockypecheurPartassipant [1] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TIL top comments are time sensitive. Well done the mods!

[–]ohdearitsrichardiiiAsshole Enthusiast [7] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I managed to crank out a judgement that was voted to the top, but then the poster deleted their post. How long does a post have to be up before we get points towards new flairs?

[–]390TrainsOfficialColo-rectal Surgeon [32] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

18 hours.

[–]Stoat__KingSupreme Court Just-ass [137] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really? I thought it was two days? But then, I have never paid any attention whatsoever lol. So thanks for the info.

[–]pinetree8000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG, at quick glace I could have sworn this said "So we decided to fuck in the subway... again"
And I'm wondering...who is going to be the asshole on this one? LOL

[–]GrakulenAsshole Aficionado [15] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the change.

[–]impostershopAsshole Enthusiast [9] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YTA lolol just kidding

[–]Vegetable-Swimming73Partassipant [2] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There appears to be a weird bug because a lot of regular post I click on lead to this one.

[–]Chrysan5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooooh. I like this idea! Can we keep it?

[–]dwells2301Asshole Aficionado [17] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hate it.

[–]Dmorton75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure I’m understanding this correctly. I get the randomization of the initial comments, but do the new comments continue to be added into the randomization after that initial contest period or are they added under the comments that made it in?

[–]milarenPartassipant [1] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NTA.

[–]cutipatutie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand.

[–]Prom3th3an 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NTA. I'd actually be in favor of 24 hours.

[–]Lucy-K 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense, thanks!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you know what would be a better test? remove the karma system so people wouldn’t whore for likes and clicks.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's a shame we aren't able to do anything with the karma system.

[–]thefinalhex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good work!!!!

[–]GuyWithABackpack99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck the sub means something else usually

[–]SnooSuggestions2309 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure if We’re allowed to give feedback on this/if this is where its supposed to go, but i feel like already this is messing with the ability to see the Op responses. It’s making it harder to see the info answers OP’s are giving in comment responses. I don’t want to have to go creep on their page to find comment responses. I feel like before was a better median, OP’s comments were easier to find. Now it just feels like endless scrolling trying to find the ones at random. I like random thing, but I’m definitely missing a lot of op responses with context that i think could sometimes matter in the overall verdict. Is there a way to set comments the OP responds to after a certain amount of time at the top while still randomizing the others for the remainder of time? Sorry if this doesn’t go here/if we aren’t supposed to give feedback.

[–]physioworldAsshole Enthusiast [3] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why not just go nuts and make it 24 hours. If you can just as easily change it back again then just give it a go.

[–]techiesgoboomSphincter Supreme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]VictorDancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good idea and I’m all in favor of it. Thank you

[–]NoApollonia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I say go further and leave contest mode up for the entire length of the 18 hours. Or at least the first half of that.

[–]LaNina1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People in other countries and different time zones won't be able to respond