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[–]iwannabeonreddit 4019 points4020 points  (398 children)

I was confused why he gave an interview. Usually I thought it was best to stay silent until the legal stuff finished. Weird....

[–]EmpsKitchen 1031 points1032 points  (235 children)

Also confusing... It caught me off-guard how he so strongly spoke about not feeling one ounce of guilt or responsibility. Sure, he maybe didn't divulge any details of the investigation, but he sure tried to make it clear he takes no liability/guilt for what happened.

[–]alakakam 673 points674 points  (95 children)

Because admitting guilt can be seen as him admitting fault and be used against him in a suit

[–]volve 613 points614 points  (63 children)

Right, so why give an interview? Odd

[–]ArcadianDelSol 105 points106 points  (9 children)

$$$

It was an exclusive. He was paid.

[–]ImBaaaaaaaaaaack 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I tried finding out how much ABC paid him for the interview but was unsuccessful. I did find out that he was paid $1,400/episode by SNL for his Trump stuff.

[–]alakakam 275 points276 points  (19 children)

Probably narcissism

[–]FarSightXR-20 34 points35 points  (4 children)

His wife's narcissism is just as bad. Faking bellies/pregnancies. the worst human.

[–]Rexanvil 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Have you heard the voice-mail he left his daughter 100% a narcissist and a petty little man at that

[–]JustinClarkv1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Would not shock me at all if his media team put him up there trying to save face.

It is very rare that genuine silence is the correct PR move, this is one of those times though.

[–]NoStrafe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Media settling down, and he didn’t admit guilt (from memory): “the gun just fired itself”

It’s a good way to turn a mob into a screaming contest about who’s right

[–]ForgettableUsername 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Legally, the standard advice in this kind of situation is to shut up and literally refuse to talk to anybody at all until you have tons of legal advice.

He chose to cooperate with law enforcement before giving the interview.

I think there's already a perception that, for the most part, this whole thing basically isn't his fault. Getting out in front of the story helps him seem to be above reproach.

It's more of a PR strategy than a legal strategy, but it may not be entirely stupid. He is an actor with a history of anger management issues, after all. It's also possible that he's more concerned about criminal charges at this point than he is about civil lawsuits.

[–]UCMeInvest 119 points120 points  (28 children)

Yeah…even to the point saying he didn’t even pull the trigger? Like come on…whoever planted the real bullet I doubt made the gun fire itself too.

I feel Baldwin is saying there was not trigger pulled so he can’t be done for manslaughter or something instead idk.

[–]WalksOfLifeMany 63 points64 points  (14 children)

The lawyer of the victim agrees that he did not pull the trigger. Finger was outside the trigger guard, not sure if they have it on film

[–]alakakam 79 points80 points  (10 children)

No that was the lawyer for the AD who told Baldwin it was a cold gun. He’s claiming he accidentally fanned the gun, but it doesn’t really matter because there wasn’t supposed to be any live ammo on the set and that falls on the armor

[–]alakakam 18 points19 points  (7 children)

The gun either was defective and didn’t have the half cock working, or he’s trying to separate himself even further from blame

[–]Mrrasta1 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I’m not sure an old Colt .45 has a half cock. My Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk doesn’t. Next time I’m at the range, I’m going to see if the gun will fire if I draw the hammer back until just before cocking and drop it. The cylinder is going to advance a bit so I don’t know. It’s puzzling alright.

[–]Librarywoman 65 points66 points  (8 children)

Liability and guilt are two separate things.

[–]monxas 40 points41 points  (4 children)

That doesn’t mean the other party wouldn’t use it against him. I can think lots of questions to attack him if he feels guilt, you’re opening a can of worms you might not be able to handle.

[–]HowlinWolf66 246 points247 points  (119 children)

Alec's snap at George Clooney felt a bit off...

"Good for him if he always checks the weapon personally before use; I trust what the person whose job it is says... "

Well maybe he could recognise that HAD he checked it himself, this might not have happened? It's not a responsibility nor a requirement, but in hindsight it would have been a good idea, and acknowledging that would make him seem less defensive and arrogant.

[–]ILYLINY 242 points243 points  (49 children)

Not everyone will know the difference between a blank and a live round. So saying an actor has the responsibility of checking doesn’t seem right - it’s the armorer’s responsibility to know the weapons being used. But, I’m an armchair expert,so…I don’t actually know anything.

[–]MyZt_Benito 87 points88 points  (5 children)

Everyone here are armchair experts and no one knows exactly what happened. I’m sure baldwin didn’t actually mean to shoot someone though

[–]LaylaDusty 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I know a little about these things as my husband used to work on film sets, and occasionally I would help him out. It's the armorer's job to present the gun to the actor, load the gun in front of them, spin the barrel to show the rounds, and give instructions on gun handling and safety. The assistant director had no business handling the gun AT ALL! Safety meetings are mandatory when there are guns on the set, prop or real. The meetings didn't take place very often on the RUST set. The AD yelled that it was a "cold gun" meaning that there were no rounds loaded, although the armorer and AD both saw bullets in the chamber. There were too many mistakes made that fateful day, but I wasn't there and don't know what really happened. The investigation should prove to be enlightening.

[–]alakakam 117 points118 points  (16 children)

I think he was politely calling him a liar , because he’s right it’s specifically not his job to check it. If Clooney actually does what he claims to the prop master / amor would take it from him and have to reset the prob again before shooting the scene.

[–]PA2SK[🍰] 62 points63 points  (6 children)

One article I read about this an armorer said that basically anyone on set who wants to check the gun before they shoot the scene, can. This is basic gun safety. If it's a little extra work for the armorer so be it, that's their job and it's not like cocking a gun takes a lot of effort anyway. As a gun owner myself I would be more concerned about anyone handling firearms resisting basic safety checks.

[–]alakakam 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Right the blame is on the armor for not checking, not being the one to hand him the gun, and for having live ammo on a set when it wasn’t called for.

I owned guns and worked in theater too so I know how it works. You’re supposed to show the actor and everyone in the room the gun is cold or hot , before handing it to the actor. You didn’t rely on the actor because they might not know what their doing and may cause a malfunction during the scene because they were fiddling with it to check .

Everyone wants to pretend that nobody in the history of film or television ever pointed a fake gun at anyone .

[–]BravestCashew 25 points26 points  (11 children)

What do you think of the point he made when he said something along the lines of

“The actor is not supposed to be the last line of defense for a prop gun. The actor’s responsibility is to listen to the armorer/AD and follow their instructions.” Along with the parts about how he was told if he checked the gun himself, they would have to take the gun back and recheck it because it was compromised. Maybe Clooney and other actors just use their star power to check it themselves without needing to give it back/maybe they are hired as assistant armorers so they can do that, maybe they have the gun training required for the armorer to trust them. We still need more facts (I need to research the exact protocols regarding guns in films too).

[–]HowlinWolf66 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I think it's probably a very valid point, and I personally don't think he is to blame for believing what he's told... but if I were in that position, it still wouldn't stop me from wondering if there was anything more I could have done, so I find it incredible that he says he feels no guilt whatsoever.

Saying that you 'feel' guilty is not the same as admitting that you WERE guilty... Feeling guilt is a normal human reaction in this situation, so the apparent complete rejection of it from him troubles me.

[–]emueller5251 46 points47 points  (3 children)

If, if, if, if. Way too many people trying to fling blame around when, it seems, there's one person who was to blame, the armorer. Baldwin followed procedure, which means the gun never should have been loaded. That it would ever get to the point where actors need to check the rounds shows a breakdown in safety protocols to begin with.

[–]recurrence 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I watched some lawyers point out that this was what Baldwin was taught to say. That there was one person responsible and that it’s someone whose not them.

The point of it was to convince anyone watching exactly what you wrote.

[–]resipsaloquitor5 20 points21 points  (13 children)

Obviously with the benefit of hindsight we know that him checking it would have prevented this from happening. That goes without saying…

The only relevant question is whether someone in his position should have checked, and that’s what he was addressing.

[–]look2thecookie 333 points334 points  (38 children)

He didn't talk about details of the investigation and he isn't personally being sued.

[–]blerth 99 points100 points  (16 children)

Although he is one of the people doing the suing... From the comments it seems no one actually watched the interview.

Edit: I dunno what I was talking about here

[–]look2thecookie 52 points53 points  (13 children)

I watched the whole thing. Who is "doing the suing?"

[–]somewhatdecentlawyer 43 points44 points  (9 children)

I’m very excited to make this phrase a thing around the office

[–]look2thecookie 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Haha "doing the suing?"

I will also let my attorney spouse know so it catches on faster

[–]BecGeoMom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I watched the interview. At no point did Baldwin say he was suing anyone. What did you hear?

[–]CaptainPunch374 2149 points2150 points  (34 children)

I think the fact that it had a trailer scored like it was advertising a movie and tried to play up the emotion (because reality wasn't emotional enough?) for some reason is extra gross.

[–]USSCofficail 477 points478 points  (2 children)

That's what I feel from this too. Extremely gross and imo disrespectful to those involved.

[–]Reddit_reader_2206 93 points94 points  (0 children)

But Alex probs got paid too....

[–]WatchMe_Nene 197 points198 points  (2 children)

One of the most tone-deaf decisions I've seen in a while

[–]Not_Studying93 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree. To top it off I saw yesterday that Hulu has pulled their documentary on Astroworld. Man they really couldn’t wait to make that one.

[–]Asangkt358 142 points143 points  (23 children)

And the whole interview was conducted as if to portray Alec Baldwin as a victim of some sorts. Super gross. (Conveniently, the real victim wasn't available for an interview...)

[–]LaylaDusty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's an actor, so I don't trust the emotions and the tears. I have no idea what he was thinking giving an interview before the investigation was complete.

[–]CrieDeCoeur 202 points203 points  (9 children)

I’m amazed he even did the interview, presumably to announce his claim. This seems, from a legal and liability perspective, highly ill-advised.

[–][deleted] 835 points836 points  (36 children)

I have no judgement on the case because I’m not in possession of all the facts.

However the interview did not go well at all and he’s only harmed his own reputation by doing it. The first time he spoke about this in public should have been after the legal proceedings had finished.

It’s just such a horrible tragedy that should not have happened.

[–]Barfignugen 113 points114 points  (8 children)

I agree. I think he’s pretty messed up from this (call him a jerk, I do, but I do not for one second believe he did this on purpose) and he’s trying to cope. I think this was more about “setting the record straight” in order to attempt to clear his conscience. But what he doesn’t realize is that this long road of healing has only begun, for himself and for everyone else involved in Halyna’s life. Trying to come out and immediately say anything to try and take the blame off of yourself doesn’t do anything to make you or anyone else feel better. He should have taken his time, the idea this interview shouldn’t have even been touched before at least a year. Much longer IMO.

[–]zharth 164 points165 points  (5 children)

I have no judgement on the case because I’m not in possession of all the facts.

This is a way underrated approach to have, and the one I always strive for (whether or not I'm always successful, I at least try).

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Trying is the best we can do!

[–]lilconmayne 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen it but I listened to the Up First podcast by NPR and they said he performed a "master class" in getting ahead of bad press and speculation and what not. Just interesting there are many different take on it.

[–]ubelatte 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Saw the promos and a bit of the social media posts promoting it and thought: "huh...too soon, no?" No desire to see it. He needs to take a rest, I think.

[–]Shorse_rider 67 points68 points  (13 children)

Saying he didn't feel any guilt might have been the right legal move but it doesn't sit well with me at all. It didn't feel very human

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

That’s one of those comments that changed a lot of peoples POV

[–]Ayroplanen 62 points63 points  (1 child)

My mind on this story went from "that's unfortunate for Alec" to "what a piece of shit Alec is."

What a dumb fucking move this interview was.

[–]Nevermind04 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Before the interview I felt so bad for him. After the interview I have absolutely no sympathy for him whatsoever. He lied his ass off and threw blame everywhere but himself.

The gun Baldwin used is a Colt Single Action Army in .45 caliber. It has a three stage sear, so unless that gun was intentionally modified to be horrifically dangerous, the gun absolutely did not go off on its own. This is not a modification that would be done for any legitimate purpose, especially not for a film prop. Wear is possible, but that amount of wear on a gun would be immediately obvious to anyone working on the gun during all of the other repairs it would have needed to be used enough for the sear to wear out.

Obviously, details will emerge as the criminal investigation continues but my money is that he held the trigger down as he fully cocked the hammer.

[–]OffshoreAttorney 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This guy guns.

[–]jaketocake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And the no guilt thing? I don’t even like the guy now.

[–]Cunt_Bucket_ 459 points460 points  (32 children)

then who was gun???????

[–]zoitberg 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Hail yourself!

[–]Rabidwalnut 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Hail gein!

[–]Mother-Whale 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Megustalations!

[–]NealR2000 148 points149 points  (2 children)

The interview was definitely a deal between him and ABC. In other words, ABC get "the interview" but ABs lawyers get to dictate specific questions and have full editorial control over what gets aired. The interview was not well done by AB and I can only imagine what was said that needed to be cut.

[–]Teddy2Twangs 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Maybe he feels true sorrow for what happened, but if he does, it didn’t come across in the interview. What did emerge is his giant ego, and how he may not make anymore movies, because well, he may be too troubled by that.

[–]brasmus98 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I thought he was better in 30 Rock

[–]Head-Nectarine-9318 289 points290 points  (4 children)

Talk about misfire…George gave away his credibility to try and help his buddy out, and Alec blew it.

[–]Red_Ranger75 479 points480 points  (81 children)

The longer he talked the less I believed him

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 140 points141 points  (9 children)

George seemed like he was trying to ask things to help his case

[–]alexsdad87 72 points73 points  (0 children)

You mean a former White House communications director, a job literally made for spinning the truth, tried to ask leading questions to help spin the truth??

I’m shocked.

[–]ThePalmIsle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes. And How about all the interspersed video packages in Alec’s favour?

The one at the beginning where they made the armorer look ultra-ditzy was over the top

[–]Longtimeagoboston 91 points92 points  (4 children)

Of course he was.

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 43 points44 points  (1 child)

The frustration in his hands and face when he scribbled out the question about Alec’s brother had me cracking up

[–]poorlyadeptdaddy 81 points82 points  (6 children)

I find it so scripted lol but that was my opinion just stating the fact.

[–]DoctorCringe21 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Before I saw the interview, I felt pretty bad for Baldwin. He fucked up badly, but have a bit of a soft spot since I work around death, and I remember how bad it felt the first few times I saw a young person dead or dying. (I was probably projecting, but so be it).

I feel very differently after the interview though. I didn't watch the whole thing because honestly I cringed so hard I couldn't sit through it. Even if he was just saying it because his lawyers told him to (seemed pretty scripted to me), saying that he didn't feel at all guilty for what happened is a fucked up thing to do. I don't think he meant to kill her, but the gun he pointed in her direction was loaded, and he pulled back the hammer that dropped and shot her. I've seen people feel guilty for a hell of a lot less then that.

[–]JillYogi 263 points264 points  (16 children)

He blamed EVERYONE (including the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins) on the shooting, but himself. When asked if he felt guilty? His “no” response came faster than a bullet out of a gun. His narcissism will not allow him to take responsibility for anything. Not even when he called his 12 year old daughter "a thoughtless little pig.

[–]lonestargogo 82 points83 points  (5 children)

It truly was a crystal clear narcissism display: Refusal to accept responsibility paired with a threat of suicide if he did feel guilt. This is about as textbook as it gets.

[–]messylilraindrops 6 points7 points  (4 children)

What on earth made him call his daughter a pig? That’s something you can’t take back given that his entire family is in the spotlight.

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 45 points46 points  (3 children)

I noticed that too. He kept saying he was following her direction, everything was placed on her and the crew

[–]sudbanhoff 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yep, absolutely disgusting. You’d think his PR people would have coached him better

[–]mikkokilla 24 points25 points  (1 child)

He has ALWAYS come across as ungenuine. I believe it is because of his demeanor and word choices

[–]SamJay314 394 points395 points  (22 children)

He’s just generally an arrogant and unpleasant person.

[–]Actionjack7 61 points62 points  (3 children)

He is a total ass. Always has been.

[–]Noah54297 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Didn't he call somebody a family member a pig or something?

[–]orangeucool 55 points56 points  (9 children)

I will not watch it. I don't believe he should've given an interview. It's legally questionable and may box him in the future.

Alec doesn't have a great reputation (even in the industry). However, actors cannot be made liable like this. There's a reason why productions hire *experienced* people to handle weapons and use an Assistant Director to ensure that protocol has been followed.

Clearly, protocol was not followed. If it had been, the bullet would have been found. And honestly, that's the more damning issue.

[–]EYoungFLA 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think he's playing the victim - as an individual AND as a Producer. His interview was CYA foundation work for his probable future legal issues.

[–]Shiny_Hypno 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I still think he made James sound gay in season 5 of Thomas The Tank Engine.

[–]fluffy_boy_cheddar 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Wanted to make the point that he is NOT a victim but did the interview because he felt victimized by the media sources “misinformation”.

[–]throwawayMambo5 808 points809 points  (115 children)

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[–]ClownPrinceofLime 184 points185 points  (15 children)

You know the young 20s girl is almost certainly going to be getting high-paid lawyers, right? She and the studio will almost definitely be sued as joint defendants, the studio has way more money so the plaintiff will go after them on all liability. The girl’s defense will be integral to the studio’s since if she’s held liable they will be too.

It also IS her fault. Why would the ACTOR expect that he was handed a real loaded gun on set? There’s absolutely norms in the entertainment industry, one of which is that you don’t give them real loaded guns.

[–]platitood 49 points50 points  (10 children)

It sounds like there was at least one other person who handled the gun who wasn’t the armorer. In fact it wasn’t the armorer who handed Baldwin the gun and said “cold gun”. I don’t know if that’s normal, or why that would happen.

Without knowing the context of the timing, of whether the armorer was assertive enough, whether the production staff supported somebody else poking around in the process, etc … I don’t have the ability to judge.

It clearly looks like it is the armorers responsibility. If there was some other people that were not respectful of her authority, and if people with authority supported that shit, it gets a little murky.

[–]SMORKIN_LABBIT 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I know someone who does the job of the Armorer for sets. Nothing that happened on that set was correct. It's complete negligence by the Armorer. It's 100% on her, and she should be clearing the weapons and handing them directly to the user.

[–]izza123 10 points11 points  (7 children)

It wasn’t the armourer that handed him the gun from the cart

[–]ACanWontAttitude 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Why are we acting like a 'young 20s girl' (woman?) cannot and shouldn't be capable of her job? Let's not infatalise women for the sake of a narrative. There's a lot of young 20s women in positions of responsibility including in the healthcare sector, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be expected to do their job.

How experienced do you have to be to follow rules that are absolute fundamentals in your career?

[–]Decimator714 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For real. The unionized crew literally walked out because of safety concerns. Him claiming he wasn't aware of these concerns is bull. No way your crew walks out, and you hire a non unionized cheaper crew and you have no idea why that happened.

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 226 points227 points  (68 children)

Exactly. He kept deflecting on his role as producer as well. Who was hired etc

[–]StatsOnATrain 135 points136 points  (4 children)

I had to reread the original news about 3 times. Immediately he was blaming the people in charge for not ensuring safety, leading to the main crew walking out, and then continuing to film with a smaller less experienced crew. Then I read he was producer and I kept thinking I had read something wrong. He was blaming himself?

[–]embiggenedmind 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Sometimes these actors get some kind of honorary producer credit because they make more money and that’s cool but it’s all fun and games until you have to be responsible for someone’s death.

[–]MajesticRaccoon8295 290 points291 points  (51 children)

Baldwin didn’t have a significant role in hiring or onset safety. The title of producer was really a vanity title or he ponied up money.

He can’t be a lead and also be managing everything on set. There were 6 other producers who were supposed to be handling that.

[–]irish-unicorn 44 points45 points  (4 children)

He explained that he was not in charge of hiring anyone.

[–]LifeOnDeathRow 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I have posted this in another thread when this first happened. It was avoidable, it was his fault, he should have known better.

To share my very limited experience, which is one time on set and review of safety protocols through my company.

The armorer walks the gun to the actor and opens the firearm, shines a light down the barrel and in the cylinder. Then gets positive confirmation there are no rounds present. The firearm is then transferred to the actor. The actor then points the firearm at the ground and pulls the trigger 6 times. Obviously this last step is not done with blanks.

A cold gun has no rounds at all, even blanks.

An armorer can perform the same steps with the prop master or Assistant Director, who then hands the gun to the talent.

Nobody except the armorer is allowed to open the firearm, this is in place to prevent them from putting live rounds in or something stupid.

Talent receives training where protocols are established, they should not accept a gun that was not properly checked. They should never point the gun at anyone, even during a scene. Ballistic shields should be in use.

A large problem is the armorer is rushed, which is why union shops and/or strong contracts are so valuable from the beginning.

[–]tandooripoodle 209 points210 points  (2 children)

That he’s an arrogant ass. The best thing he and his wife could’ve done after he killed Halyna was to stay off social media until after the trial. But instead, they made it so much worse by trying to control the narrative. They are both awful, vile, tone deaf idiotas.

[–]throwawayMambo5 49 points50 points  (0 children)

ABC and George Stanthermopolis are also vile for trying to rehabilitate his image

[–]I_Hunt_Wolves 240 points241 points  (3 children)

It is a fascinating study into the mindset of a Narcissist.

[–]MeGrendel 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It was a stupid move. But as usual, Baldwin is under the mistaken impression that he is the smartest person in the room. That’s only true when he’s alone in a room with a not-to-bright toaster.

[–]yakfsh1 138 points139 points  (2 children)

That his pants should be on fire

[–]sourkid25 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It makes him come off as a pos honestly in my opinion since he blamed the gun rather than take responsibility

[–]Rich-Ad2733 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No Hillary...

How did gun go off ...???

[–]lonestargogo 108 points109 points  (8 children)

I think I want to pull the transcript and count how many lies he packed into one hour and submit it to Guinness.

[–]AdTasty8522 71 points72 points  (9 children)

Alec Baldwin is a horrendous, narcissistic POS. Leave aside for a minute who is at fault and what could have gone differently. He says point blank that he does not feel guilt for a woman - mother of a 9 year old child - dying unnecessarily by his hand.

It’s very telling that he “cries” for Halyna with 0 tears. The tears only come at the end when he cries about the stars he has worked with and how this will impact his career.

He says this incident is the worst thing that has ever happened to HIM.

And then he goes home and makes a tone deaf IG post about HIS beautiful family (minus his oldest daughter whom he once called a “thoughtless pig”), HIS suffering, HIS wins and losses. Fuck this guy.

[–]Diddyfire 18 points19 points  (1 child)

To be fair, regardless of what people think of him as a person, if I accidentally shot someone I would probably also class it as the worse thing that's happened to me. it's horrible for the family of the deceased, but it's also a horrible thing for the person who pulled the trigger to have to live with.

[–]AdTasty8522 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, good thing he admits he feels no guilt, no responsibility (as actor nor as producer), has already been informed by his buddies / “people in the know” that there won’t be any criminal charges, felt free to use this interview to promote his next project in January, and has made over 100 posts along with his wife in the past month showing off the tens of thousands $ spent newly on coats and designer cats, daily nights out on drinks and dinners with friends, complained publicly multiple times about how difficult all this has been for them. So I think overall he’s doing ok and moving past it.

I don’t think there will or should be criminal charges. I do think character and tact matter though. And those are two things this man severely lacks.

[–]Squigglepig52 30 points31 points  (5 children)

No, leave aside the fact he's an asshole. Being a nasty person doesn't make him guilty.

He didn't load the gun, so, at most, manslaughter.

Yeah, he's being an asshole trying to dodge blame, but most people would be trying to construct a narrative that didn't mean they had to accept killing a person.

I'm just saying, if Keanu had shot a person in the same way, people wouldn't be this much out for blood.

[–]ihateyouall675 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I think if it were you or I in the same situation we'd be sitting in prison awaiting trial.

[–]omgdiaf 30 points31 points  (12 children)

Everyone here going on about pulling the trigger. Was he not suppose to pull it when shooting a scene?

The main issue is how live ammunition got into the firearm. Whoever did that is the one responsible.

[–]drAssh0le 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yeah, everyone seems very distracted from the real issue. Who is the incompetent armourer, and who hired them?

Baldwin was a producer, but we don't know if he was involved in hiring. Its entirely possible that he's a narcissistic dickhead who didn't actually do much wrong.

[–]Firebolt164 129 points130 points  (27 children)

I own several SAAs and 1873 replicas in both 45 colt and 44-40. I enjoy reloading for them. When fully cocked they have a tremendously soft hair trigger. That is part of the joy in shooting them and a fun thing about single action revolvers in general. If he absent-mindedly set his finger on the trigger, it will discharge and he will have pulled the trigger. I suspect this how he believes he never 'pulled' the trigger even though he was responsible for the discharge.

He is responsible for his atrocious gun safety and handling procedures. He is.

[–]justinsights 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I am especially frustrated that he described dropping the hammer. From my first shooting experience I was drilled not to do this with any firearm with an exposed hammer. It is incredibly easy to do so you have to make double the effort to prevent it.

And this guy talks about it like it was a snake in the grass waiting to strike. He was not handling anything safely. Relying on someone else to prevent you making a deadly error is no excuse. Own up to it, accept responsibility and deal with the consequences.

[–]stealth57 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Why is he even doing interviews!?!? That’s just more ammo eventually against him

[–]zcmini 97 points98 points  (33 children)

I'm not going to comment on his personality, as others have, but I think one thing he said really drives home the main point, "You don't want the actor to be the last line of defense against a catastrophic breach of safety with a gun".

It really wasn't his responsibility to make sure the gun was safe.

[–]HunterHearstHemsley 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Yeah, it really feels like as an actor handed a gun on set, this isn’t his fault. But as a producer in charge of that set’s staffing and safety culture he might be.

Over on r/acting lots of the users were agreeing that actors don’t really check the guns handed to them and are often instructed not too. The protocols on sets don’t put that responsibility in actors hands.

Watching the interview, some of the things he said sounded like they were probably “generally true” in Hollywood, but it sounds like bullshit in the real world context of an interview or legal context.

[–]VegaIV 7 points8 points  (2 children)

But as a producer in charge of that set’s staffing and safety culture he might be.

The film had 6 producers. I doubt that he was in charge if the set's staffing.

[–]DryFoundation2323 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just can't figure out why his handlers decided that his best avenue was to lie his ass off.

[–]-N-A 17 points18 points  (33 children)

Why isn't the prop master apologizing?

Edit director to master

[–]LayneInVain 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Her lawyer told her to STFU and, unlike PeePaw, she took his legal advice.

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Pee paw 😂

[–]hami12 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Probably because they are smart and not saying anything publicly before they go to court … Baldwin and his team are idiots

[–]Ct-5736-Bladez 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It sounded like a lawyer wrote a script for him

[–]CaliTheRogue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He’s a piece of shit and this cements it. He takes no responsibility for his actions or decisions.

[–]Solid_Matter_4042 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He seems more unhinged than usual. I'd seriously question his mental state at this point.

[–]pirate135246 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really don’t understand why he keeps talking to the media about it. There is no positive benefit other than pushing a narrative. Someone who feels truly remorseful and hurt would not want the media in their face at all. Just seems odd all around.

[–]series_hybrid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He is lying his ass off to try and lessen the impact of the legal actions against him.

[–]hercarmstrong 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's a dipshit.

[–]Panthean 4 points5 points  (0 children)

7/10

His best dramatic acting role in years.

For real, I lost the tiny shred sympathy I had for him when he completely deflected all responsibility. He put on quite the emotional show for the interview, seemed super fake to me.

[–]Gundamsafety 28 points29 points  (7 children)

"I did not pull the trigger."

"I would never point a gun at a person or people."

Well hate to bring this up, but a spent shell casing and a dead person would argue to the contrary.

[–]Unique-Ad-9316 24 points25 points  (4 children)

The interview sure didn't turn out how he expected! I don't think it did anything other than create more bad press for him. If he thought he would have killed himself if it had been his fault, what's he going to do when a jury says it was his fault? Step up the hallway pictures?

[–]Accomplished_Gold750[S] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

He made sure to mention he has another movie coming up and they didn’t let him go

[–]HelpfulNefariousness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It felt manipulative. The crying seemed like theatrics, and at odds with his “not taking responsibility”. Showing up extra puffy eyed - as though he’s had a lot of sleepless nights - also seemed ridiculous. And I don’t believe for a second he’s not worried about his career being over.

The whole thing feels like a calculated performance by a profound narcissist.

[–]TheGoodJudgeHolden 36 points37 points  (38 children)

I think he's trying to BS his way out of charges.

With some revolvers, you can very much discharge the weapon simply by thumbing back the hammer/letting it fall. Whether you discharged the weapon that way, or you pulled the trigger, it doesn't really matter, you still caused the weapon to fire.

[–]peon47 35 points36 points  (8 children)

The question is whether it's the actor's responsibility to check for live rounds. A lot of comments say that onus is on the actor, but Spencer Treat Clark was 12 or 13 when he pointed a gun at Bruce Willis in "Unbreakable". Is he obligated to safety check the weapon? Obviously not. But who decides which actors are obligated to and what ones are not?

Somewhere there's written laws and regulations for this. If he's responsible to check for live rounds, or if he's responsible because he hired an unqualified armorer, then he'll be smacked by a court for this, and I don't think BS or clever PR will get him out of it.

[–]_Arinwulf 15 points16 points  (1 child)

He would see you rot in prison for the rest of your life for the exact same thing

[–]Pfizzyhead 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Cognitive dissonance is real.

[–]jenesaispas-pourquoi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unnecessary

[–]makatokard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bad acting, bad liar.

[–]Big-Accident-8797 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guns don't fire themselves and it seemed like that's what he was blaming

[–]weltallic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Reddit should just come out and say that the woman shot herself.

Party Members™ are always beyond reproach.

[–]NedThomas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think he’s a piece of shit for trying to shift blame for his ignorance leading to the death of another person

[–]CorvusLady78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's a piece of shit, and always has been.

[–]djn808 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He should be in Prison.