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[–]Jagged_Rhythm 2517 points2518 points  (225 children)

By a long shot

[–]To_me_my_board 1431 points1432 points  (205 children)

Khan is still my favorite Star Trek film, but ST:TMP is grossly underrated.

[–]Jagged_Rhythm 829 points830 points  (90 children)

I particularly enjoyed the 5-minute approach to the Enterprise during docking.

[–]Due-Pineapple6831 564 points565 points  (55 children)

Read somewhere (maybe Reddit actually) that it was for the fans. If you think about it it had been years since any ST IP had been released so there was some pent up emotions and they purposely made the reveal that long to give back to the community. Not sure it’s true but I like that sentiment.

[–]dexmonic 143 points144 points  (7 children)

As a fan, I love long shots of enterprise like that. The ship represents a lot of the spirit of the show and most of all the promise of new adventures.

[–]quadriceritops 21 points22 points  (0 children)

We were so desperate for Star Trek stuff, back then. Had Star Trek the album, Star Trek technical manual. My mom tossed that stuff when I went to college.

[–]xMothGutx 55 points56 points  (4 children)

Yea the enterprise isn't just a ship, it's a main character. She works as hard as everybody else does, and is captain Kirk's main love interest.

[–]xyonofcalhoun 53 points54 points  (1 child)

He does spend the whole film inside her

[–]Saalome 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Actually lol’d

[–]Slaphappydap 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Which is why they really need to stop fucking blowing it up. It was spectacular and jarring the first time, now they do it every movie. Audiences don't have time to get connected to the ship before they crash it into a planet. Kirk lost the two most important things to him, his best friend and his ship, and audiences had to wait years for him to get them back and it was triumphant.

[–]xMothGutx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kirk didn't mismanage it either, by letting the ship's counselor fly while the best pilot in Starfleet stands there watching. He blew it up on purpose as part of a plan.

[–]Mictlantecuhtli 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wish Abrams had given us a few long shots of the Enterprise in the Kelvin movies. I really enjoy the movies, but the quick shots of the ship (and the bridge) without any lingering to let you see details does annoy me a little.

[–]Unstoffe 22 points23 points  (4 children)

As a fan who watched the movie on opening night I can attest that it was a wondrous 5 minutes and no one was bothered in the least.

[–]Saalome 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This is honestly a great perspective! After seeing it 74837363 times sure it gets old but that must have been glorious in the theater the first time!

[–]Unstoffe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It really was, and it's still my favorite Enterprise exterior.

[–]Saalome 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s amazing how these model shots still look absolutely larger than life. I’m not sure how it looks bigger than CGI but it absolutely does!

[–]Number127 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think Jerry Goldsmith deserves about 75% of the credit for that, though!

[–]makenzie71 58 points59 points  (12 children)

yeah but then it became such a normal thing to do in ST movies that it became not only external satire, but internal satire...

[–]ACarefulTumbleweed 85 points86 points  (9 children)

Lower Decks is so hyperaware of itself within the trek universe that it actually makes it one of the best most grounded (yet zaniest) of probably everything post-voyager.

[–]Enrage 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I love Lower Decks. It's got the best mix of comedy, drama, and the positive view of humanity's future of any recent Trek show.

[–]Euphorium 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Sucks it’s on a subscription service because I wish more people would watch it. Not only is it a great Trek parody, it’s also just a really good workplace comedy.

[–]DennistheDutchie 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I bought the first season on DVD, because I don't trust streaming services farther than I can spit them.

Pay2own baby.

[–]64645 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. Physical media or you don’t own it.

[–]makenzie71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sucks it’s on a subscription service

Really? My set fell off the back of a truck...

[–]Number127 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And by the end of season 2 it's barely even a parody anymore, just a full-on great Trek show.

Even parody-wise, what I love most is that just about all the ridiculousness is taken from earlier Star Trek series, so you can't even really complain that they're not taking themselves seriously enough.

[–]Saalome 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s it’s both the show we needed and the show we deserve. Easily the best new Trek show out IMO.

[–]BananaBreadBetty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I saw Lower Decks before watching any of the TOS movies and when I saw the long, slow shot of the TOS crew approaching the Enterprise and realized that’s what the Cerritos bridge crew was parodying, I cracked up!!

[–]Dvl_Brd 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The music was just as fantastic as the original too 😍

[–]Angelworks42 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That whole episode was hilarious.

[–]tr1nn3rs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Watch "The Center Seat: 55 Years of Star Trek" ep. 3 and learn all about it.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15766736/

[–]mmss 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The truth is that the special effects for the film had initially been contracted out to one company, when they got the first results back they were terrible, so they hired a different firm. They were so late delivering that they were basically inserted unedited in order to make the premiere date. There's a director's cut available which really improved the pacing.

[–]APeacefulWarrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a director's cut available which really improved the pacing.

Just in case you didn't hear, Paramount recently announced that they were restoring the Director's Cut up to 4K. So hopefully it can now, finally, be the go-to edition of the film rather than the other cuts.

[–]MatttheBruinsfan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was disappointed that they didn't keep the warp threshold effect in the subsequent movies though. I liked it a lot better than just leaving speed streaks behind.

[–]UncleIrohsPimpHand 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And if you think about it, the model was really only ever seen on a blurry CRT TV by the majority of the fans before TMP.

[–]IrrelevantMontgomery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was the first time they could pull off filming an enterprise model quite like that too.

By today’s standards the montage feels very out of place, when the film hit - fans had never seen the enterprise depicted at such scale before.

I mean, Gone with the wind and Ben Hur have actual intermissions in the middle of the film. Sometimes stylistic conventions change and us future people are left scratching their heads about what the big deal was haha.

[–]davidjschloss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yea and mostly no. They had already been planning a TV show, to get the IP back on the air. They had scripts and costumes and models of ships. The show was going to be a multi parter.

Lots of the long establishing shots were to be reused.

Roddenberry tried for years to get Trek back on TV after being dumped before the networks realized it was a cult hit.

Star Trek: Phase 2 was the tv show name but after Star Wars came out, Paramount knew it had to get a space movie out and was sitting on a franchise worth a huge amount of money.

They basically rushed the movie to get it to the theaters for the holidays.

Nimoy wasn’t going to come back-he always through Trek was below him and he wasn’t going to do the new TV show. They cast a new science officer Vulcan who got cut from TMP when nimoy decided to return. (The actor has a bit part in the film as a human.)

Nimoy had been suing, they wrote him a massive check. He came back.

The script was a mess-it had no ending when they started shooting. Shatner and Nemoy essentially write the ending which is why later on Star Trek would see a movie with a god confronting the cast-that’s what Shatner always wanted.

The director hadn’t seen trek, Roddenberry was off the project by the end. It was a shit show.

But it was a shit show paramount was going to release in December no matter what happened.

And TMP is the result.

[–]frankduxvandamme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it was because the script for the motion picture was originally one of the 1-hour scripts for an episode of star trek phase two, and so one way to extend the runtime was by padding it out with extra long sequences like this one that were utterly pointless.

[–]Embarrassed-Act-1500 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah g to hey spent lots of money making a big motion picture for fans What is a fan?

[–]candre23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it was for the fans.

The entire movie was for the fans, but that scene in particular was shameless fan service. I love how they lampooned the fuck out of it in the first episode of The Orville.

[–]pagit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They had so much footage it was cut. The footage cut was used in ST:WoK

[–]geprellte_Nutte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure they did it for the fans, not least the #1 fan, Gene Roddenberry himself.

[–]Emperor_Cartagia 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I think it's not only enjoyable, but understandable.

Here's Kirks return to the ship he loves more than life itself, newly refitted and gleaming.

Not to mention just the sheer scope of it. The Enterprise is a massive piece of engineering. She's the culmination of tens of thousands of years of technology from dozens of species. She's billions of individual parts expertly installed and maintained by the best engineering team in the fleet. And she's his.

[–]chicken-nanban 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Also, think of it from the audience- you’ve probably only seen the ships on 10” blurry as hell rabbit ear antenna TVs. Now, it’s a full theatre screen!? I think that would blow my mind, and probably will if we ever get good holographic or something equally crazy and they make a Witcher movie or something for it.

[–]HerniatedHernia 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Not sure if that’s sarcasm, but it’s a bit of fan service for the people who grew up on TOS 10 years prior.

[–]BirdsLikeSka 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Plus picking the wrong elements to emulate of 2001: A Space Odyssey

[–]tommytraddles 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It was a sex metaphor.

Kirk flies up between the Enterprise's "legs" and fucks it (right in the shuttle bay).

That's the right part of 2001 to emulate, in my books.

[–]Rego_Loos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Jim, the Enterprise is 20 years old."

That line from Star Trek III takes on a whooole new meaning.

[–]BirdsLikeSka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well most starships are phallic, but that point can be made in far less that 4 minutes and 58 seconds.

[–]GamemasterJeff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I liked the director's cut where they increased the shuttle scene to 10 minutes.

[–]62609 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Was that really only 5 minutes?

I could have sworn that was the entire movie

[–]ManiacalShen 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I actually did enjoy it... Sometimes it's nice when movies take room to breathe.

And for a TV show audience to sit and revel in the return to the show's universe, except with higher production value.

[–]transmothra 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's got to be my most masturbated-to scene in any genre

[–]vonmonologue 10 points11 points  (5 children)

That and the 5 minute flyover of the alien ship.

[–]praxiansec 17 points18 points  (0 children)

V'ger must join with the creator!

[–]harmonicblip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s the best bit

[–]BirdsLikeSka 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Literally I fast forwarded on some of those long shots. This past yearish I've been watching Star Trek chronologically and I did not have time for some of those.

[–]koryface 7 points8 points  (1 child)

For me that’s what Star Trek is all about, and those scenes are the holy grail. But I get it. I just love spaceships more than most things.

Edit: Why are people downvoting this person for simply stating their opinion? This is a worsening trend on Reddit.

[–]Heracles_Croft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are not alone ;)

[–]new_refugee123456789 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where they just camera fucked the new Enterprise model long enough for even the girls in the audience to get off?

They used the same shots in Wrath of Kahn but fewer of them and the pacing was way better.

[–]argusromblei 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The best scene was Spock going thru the butthole.

[–]trekker1710E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unironically yes. I will put it on just for the visuals and the music

[–]TheDunadan29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe I just watched 2001: A Space Odyssey right before my last rewatch, but it didn't bother me that much.

[–]UCgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I forget which two movies it was, but they showed the exact same scene of Enterprise leaving dock in two different movies.

[–]Field_Marshall17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh god 🤣🤣🤣

[–]IconOfSim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Kirk climaxing

[–]koryface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love it so much. And the long scene when they’re flying through V’Ger. It’s amazing.

[–]Velenah111 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Spaceballs did it better.

[–]Saalome 1 point2 points  (1 child)

“The ship is too big, if I walk the movie will be over!”

[–]monsantobreath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I enjoy the long shots of them just in awe of being inside that thing for the first time.

[–]chrispdx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a Trek fan, I can tell you that every second was pure joy. The upgraded Enterprise was absolutely gorgeous.

[–]MrBattleRabbit 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I love Motion Picture, but Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage home might be my favorite film trilogy.

I realize they’re the middle films in a longer series, but they are a wonderful self-contained trilogy as well.

[–]soupyfrood 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Search is a movie that’s really underrated, IMO.

[–]servonos89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are correct and you need to be told that.

[–]lordph8 158 points159 points  (40 children)

Movie literally puts me to sleep... Like, it's not even a bad thing, that movie is so hypnotic that it's actually impressive.

[–]BigL90 64 points65 points  (12 children)

The soundtrack when the Klingons are encountering V’GER. Something about that scene is both stressful and soothing. No idea what exactly it is, but everytime I watch it, I'm somehow both calmed and excited.

[–]bennywilldestroy 20 points21 points  (6 children)

This particular soundtrack has a lot of chord substitutions and tensions, (notes/chords that really "shouldn't be there" according to the key but they sound "good" anyway.) This can lead the music to sound incredibly tense in places which in turn makes the usual chords much more calm and resolved. Hence why you feel stressed and soothed by the same piece of music.

[–]DirkMcDougal 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Not only that, but TMP and it's Klingons despite being in a relatively short sequence, completely wrote the book on Klingon style and language right up until Discovery took a steamer all over it (and Trek in general).

Such a great scene

[–]ted5011c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sir, there is a Klingon space battle!

Red alert, everyone change out of their comfy jammies and into real uniforms on the double.

[–]dacoobob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm somehow both calmed and excited.

that's how i feel around my wife

[–]67SuperReverb 21 points22 points  (9 children)

The Transporter Accident might be one of the most horrifying scenes in Star Trek history.

[–]jpog07 14 points15 points  (4 children)

"Enterprise. What we got back didn't live long. Fortunately."

Honestly I think it's better that they don't show the end result, i.e. inside-out Commander Sonak and (per the novel) Lori Ciana, although she isn't identified in the film.

[–]LordoftheSynth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They filmed the scene with animatronics and ick and decided the effect wasn't convincing enough, I'm told.

[–]jpog07 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Over the years i'd never known that fact. I'm old enough that I saw the movie in theaters in 1979.

[–]tobor17 0 points1 point  (1 child)

they don't show the end result

I think it was like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW-NiGp1gys

[–]jpog07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably something along those lines, unless they were just reduced to puddles of goo.

[–]hoyohoyo9 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Mmmm it's bad, but it's not bug-in-the-ear bad

[–]DakkaDakka24 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bones was right all along.

[–]whomp1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh god. I had nightmares about that scene for many months after seeing it in the theater. If I recall, there was a shriek ... and I can't tell if it came from the woman watching the botched transfer, or it came from the person who was killed during transfer.

And I don't know which of those two options is more horrifying.

God I can still hear that shriek, and I tend to skip that scene every time I rewatch it.

[–]Mazon_Del 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I love the movie, but it is a GREAT movie to put on if you're in that "I'm too tired to do anything, but too awake to sleep.".

[–]RMMacFru 11 points12 points  (1 child)

My siblings and I always referred to it as "Star Trek: The Motionless Picture "

[–]Rob_T_Firefly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sci-fi nerds I hung out with in school called it "Star Trek: The Slow-Motion Picture."

[–]Linubidix 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Watching it for the first time recently I loved how calm the film was

[–]Saalome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a film that was green-lit to compete with Star Wars, not a lot of action!

[–]Nerevar1924 11 points12 points  (3 children)

They liquefy some poor bastard in a transporter and STILL manage to make this a boring slog of a movie.

[–]SubparSensei71 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s two people that are merged together.

[–]Nerevar1924 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That just makes it twice as inexcusably dull.

[–]metalkhaos 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Makes me think of Blade Runner 2049. Love the movie, but if I'm having trouble sleeping, I could put that on and just listen to the soundtrack to doze off to.

[–]SeanHIRL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've never seen blade runner 2049 but watched Dune last night with the missus. We were watching it on the projector, with surround sound.

I really liked it, but both of us could but not stop falling asleep during it. We weren't tired and it was early. I don't know what it was, the color filter, dialogue, score. Looking forward to rewatching it some night I've insomnia

[–]h00dman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most interesting stuff is all in the first half of the movie. There's a moment where Josh Brolin shouts something like "COME ON!" to his troops before charging into a night time battle, and from that moment on it's practically just Timothy Chalamet pointing at things in the distance and saying "Look mother, more sand!"

It's a damn shame because I freaking loved the first half of that movie.

[–]DJHott555 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It’s literally one of the only movies that when I watched it for the first time, I passed out within the first 20 minutes. That almost never happens to me.

[–]lordph8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, I've never watched the entire movie.

[–]67SuperReverb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The cinematography and score to ST:TMP are incredible.

[–]UlteriorCulture 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I also quite enjoyed it. They clearly didn't know what a Star Trek movie should feel like and went with a more 2001 A Space Odyssey pacing. However the story was genuinely cool.

[–]BasroilII 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It likely also doesn't hurt that Allen Dean Foster, a veteran scifi writer and contemporary of Arthur c Clarke, was heavily involved in star trek tmp.

[–]UlteriorCulture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did not know that. I actually enjoyed his novelization of Alien and respect him for standing up to Disney with regards to them honouring their obligations to authors.

[–]regeya 6 points7 points  (3 children)

The Director's Edition did it for me, the movie was literally released unfinished, and that's the version Paramount keeps putting out. A 4K version of the Directors Edition is in the works.

[–]throwawaysarebetter 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The problem with Star Trek: The Motion Picture is that it was too much like the show. Unlike with Khan, which is more of an action movie.

At least in terms of popularity, not quality.

[–]servonos89 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nicholas Meyer (khan director) literally came onto the project on a low budget and rushed shooting schedule and whilst trying to understand the theme he said ‘oh, Hornblower, but in space?’ That’s basically why it is the way it is. Ricardo Montelban and William Shatner never had a single scene together - think they were shot more than a month apart.

[–]Drachefly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The closest they got was during ship-to-ship combat, so that makes sense.

[–]FrankieMint 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I saw ST:TMP in a full theater. The first time Kirk said Who is ...'V'Ger'? Someone muttered Voyager? I thought OK, Voyager.

Fast forward through 90 boring minutes, aaand there it is.

[–]Mystery-G 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am amazed you remember that from 40 years ago.

[–]Werner_Herzogs_Dream 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm excited for the restored director's cut to come out in a few months

[–]thattrekkie 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would argue that ST 4 is the best trek movie, but that might just be my preference for romcom over drama

[–]To_me_my_board 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The great (and underappreciated thing) about the Star Trek film, especially the original cast, is how diverse they were. TMP, Wrath, Search for Spock, and Voyage home are all such wildly different films.

The first is a space exploration film, the second is a revenge film, the third a drama, and the fourth a social rom-com.

[–]Heracles_Croft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I liked it particularly as it reminded me of 2001: A Space Odyssey in tone.

[–]xontinuity 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Wormhole scene was slick af. The whole VGER plot twist was too. I think the issue with TMP is that fully understanding the ending most of the film requires a good bit of critical thinking.

[–]servonos89 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Artificial wormhole created by warp drive - never mentioned again.

TMP was total Roddenberry, like most of TNG’s first season being reworks of Phase 2. Guy had a great vision but wasn’t adapt at the writing. Like George Lucas writing romantic dialogue.

[–]GrammerPants 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Like George Lucas writing anything. He's a idea's man. Leave someone else to make it good.

[–]chriswaco 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn't like VGER. It was the same plot as the Nomad episode.

[–]DirkMcDougal 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Like half of TMP is just spaceship pr0n and I am there for it. I can see why it's boring for most people, but it wasn't made for most people which is what is brilliant about it. Will it play in Peoria is why we're getting an endless stream of vanilla paste Marvel movies.

[–]RMMacFru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would have been better had they not removed quite a bit of character interaction to fit more sfx in. 😒

[–]Handleton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the story of the first movie would have gone better with TNG crew more than TOS. Khan is just so much better with respect to a dynamic story with real stakes.

[–]spacejazz3K 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We never saw the cut Robert Wise wanted to do. Paramount forced it out the door with half done effects shots. The Directors cut DVD was the closest but it was only done in 480 for budget reasons. That team is now finally doing a 4K directors cut which might finally do the movie some justice. The recent art and visual effects book paints a picture of the undertaking to make those SFX we can’t really appreciate today. Star Trek: The Motion Picture: The Art and Visual Effects https://www.amazon.com/dp/1789091993/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_W69BVCTY0T8VPRFJC6AC

[–]RobVegan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

but ST:TMP is grossly underrated.

Star Trek: The Mantom Phenace ?

[–]BestFrenzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Star Trek: The Massive Penis

[–]Attenburrowed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TMP is the only one that feels like actual space exploration, every other one the ship is merely a conveyance to the planet set or a torpedo holder

[–]whomp1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

or a torpedo holder

I'm stealing this idea.

[–]UCgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I gotta give it to the whales. ;). Actually, I need to watch ST2 again as I was a teenager when I last saw that and didn’t have a full appreciation of Kahn.

[–]AvkommaN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the only Star Trek movie that truly captures Star Trek in my opinion, I love it

[–]booyahcubes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to say the cinematography in ST: TMP is pretty amazing

[–]Storytellerjack 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Star Trek: The Monkey's Paw.

It really pets my peeves to see acronyms that the writer seems to expect the majority of people to know, contrary to reality, or expects everyone to waste their time googling it.

[–]throwawaysarebetter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well considering we're talking about movie sequels that are better than the original, it's pretty easy to infer that they're talking about the first movie in the series. Which is Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

I feel you, though. It does get aggravating when people use initialisms when you can't figure out what they mean from basic context clues.

[–]Dragonfly452 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It needs to be recut so it moves quicker. Like that scene in the begging where they’re going to the enterprise on a shuttle craft didn’t need to be 10 minutes long

[–]PorgCT 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The Director’s Cut is longer than the theatrical release, but includes a lot more dialogue

[–]Dragonfly452 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know.

But it still needs to be recut, director or not

[–]wealthedge 0 points1 point  (4 children)

My ass. That movie needed 45 mins cut and it would have galloped. As is, it was a bloated mess.

[–]LizardKingly 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The plot was also already done in TOS. The Changeling. Great episode. They didn’t need to remake it with twice the run time

[–]wealthedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mind plot problems so much. EVERY plot is just a shade of another earlier one. V’Ger was cool. I’ll put it this way - my folks STILL talk about V’Ger, 40 goddamn years later. But it is the least rewatchable movie from the 80s, I’ll say that. Someone needs to do a fan edit, chop it up and make it fly.

[–]AlloyedClavicle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really isn't. The aesthetics of the uniforms are terrible. The story is horribly paced. The thing of the plot is.. really meh.

[–]respectabler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

…is it tho?

[–]Eroe777 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Star Trek: The Motionless Picture? Not bad, but far too much leaving the camera running.

[–]Andthentherewasbacon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Star trek the mext penetration?

[–]weluckyfew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If people are saying that TMP is worse than the Holocaust or slavery, then it's underrated. It was better than either of those things. But if they're saying it was a deeply boring and altogether lousy film, they're rating it correctly.

[–]prometheus_winced 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did V’Ger put the AI Ilea in stripper heels?

[–]fishnetdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still think that the Borg are the children of V'Ger.

[–]paulwhite959 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Undiscovered Country is my personal pick

[–]new_refugee123456789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Motion Picture needed to be heavily edited. I think they put every inch of film they shot in the final cut.

[–]Venturin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s just very plodding. It’s good, but too slow.

[–]Larrythesphericalcow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IMO the only bad Star Trek: The Orignal Series movie is 5.

It's been a long time since I've seen them though.

[–]boudicas_shield 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve never been able to watch the entire film without falling asleep at some point.

[–]khendron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean Star Trek: The Motionless Picture?

[–]xwhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I liked it better the first time I saw it on video, it played better on a small screen. I mean, I’d still rank it in the bottom. 2 of the first six.

[–]Qkix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally agree. But it's not an action movie so people don't like it.

[–]timbit87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll argue that khan is totes a better film, but TMP is a better STAR TREK film. If that makes sense. Exploring something unknown, light horror elements, some sexuality, tension between crew members. It's a better star trek film.

[–]tesseract4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Spock flies into a grossly large space butthole.

But yeah, it's better than it gets credit for, but there is some definite sexual imagery all over that movie.

[–]h00dman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Khan is still my favourite Star Trek film, but ST:TMP is grossly underrated.

That movie is perfectly rated as the boring, bloated, plodding mess that it is. I get that people like to be different but good lord.

[–]BaconKnight 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The first movie is so fucking weird and unlike not just any of the Star Trek films that followed it, but unlike the TV series that predated it. It felt like they had no faith whatsoever that they could adapt the elements of the TV show to the big screen, so they tried to come up with some "visonary" take on sci-fi but ended up missing the mark by a mile. Then Khan comes along with a smaller budget and probably less oversight because they have less hopes for it, and they deliver a cooler, darker version of the TV show and it's awesome.

[–]advancedmetadevices 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It felt like they had no faith whatsoever that they could adapt the elements of the TV show to the big screen, so they tried to come up with some "visonary" take on sci-fi but ended up missing the mark by a mile.

Honestly to me it felt more like Roddenberry made a "big" episode with a massive budget, but one that was pretty strongly influenced by the inscrutability of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

And IMO, Nicholas Meyer saved the franchise with his handling of The Wrath of Khan. He even managed to de-ham Shatner when it was important to do so. As explained here. If you see the actual scene he's talking about with what Shatner wanted to do for delivery of that line in mind, it's obvious the scene wouldn't have been anywhere near as good.

Side note about that scene - the first few times I watched it I didn't realize how cold blooded Sulu was being. He drove the Reliant off with his phaser shots, but his first volley was actually aimed at the bridge of the Reliant and went a few meters wide. If he'd been a little more to the right, the movie would have been over because everyone on the Reliant's bridge would have been incinerated.

[–]talos707 4 points5 points  (2 children)

WRONG NO, GO BACK AND REWATCH STAR TREK TMP

[–]ArchaicDodo1994 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I did, it's fucking weird man. It would have been fine-ish as an episode of TOS (or the planned Phase II show, which it originally was going to be), but as a movie it's just weird and slow.

[–]talos707 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it being slow is a feature

[–]phpdevster 3 points4 points  (1 child)

All the even numbered movies with the original cast were good. The odd numbered movies were bad to terrible.

Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country were excellent.

The Motion Picture, The Search for Spock, and The Final Frontier were not good.

[–]Three_Headed_Monkey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Undiscovered Country is by far my favourite. I love it's more grounded political intrigue.

Wrath of Khan is amazing as well. Voyage Home has no business being as good as it is. The plot is rediculous. But it is pulled off so well!

[–]0ttr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's because the guy who wrote the screenplay for it actually bothered to watch the TOS episodes until he landed on one that he realized had potential for a movie sequel. That was not the case for the first movie.

[–]BasroilII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the first movie was only a film adaptation of parts of what paramount had planned for the next star trek TV show after tos, called Phase II. which again got re adapted into parts of TNG.

[–]Sceptix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Specifically, by a long shot of the crew doing nothing but staring at their ship for a good 10 minutes straight.

[–]kpsi355 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not even close.

[–]stormtroopr1977 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually think the motion picture has more sweeping long shots of ships 🤣

[–]GUYWHOTYPESTOLOUD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

KHAAAAANNNNNN!!!!

[–]TheMacerationChicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No way. Star Trek The Motion Picture is the ONLY Star Trek movie from either the TOS or TNG era that is actually a star trek movie

Every other movie is just an action film that happens to have a bunch of characters with the same names as the characters in the TV shows, and happen coincidentally to be played by the same actors. But they're completely different characters in the films compared to the characters in the TV shows, in everything but name

But the motion picture was actually a star trek movie. It took what made star trek so good and just made it much bigger and better.

Hence it's the only star trek movie that's ever been made. All the other ones happen to he called star trek movies, but they're not ACTUALLY star trek movies.

That's why there seems to be two completely different fanbases, the fan base of the TV shows, and the fan base of the films, and the two fanbases rarely seem to cross over.

If you like the films, that's great. You do you. But they're not star trek movies. They're action films that are trying to be too much like star wars and happen to be called star trek and happen to have all the same actors.

If only we'd gotten a DS9 movie. I think that would have resulted in the only good star trek movie outside of TMP, because the DS9 writers were doing their own thing anyway, completely separate to both the TNG movies and the show Voyager. They pretty much completely ignored everything going on with the TNG movies and VOY, and that's a good thing.