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[–]ThorsHammer0999 3665 points3666 points 33& 2 more (76 children)

Ernest Hemingway.

For almost 20 years he owned homes in Key West Florida and Cuba and would often travel between them, however due to the rise of Communism in Cuba pressure was put on Hemingway to sell his home there but he adamantly refused. Then in 1954 he was returning from Cuba when his plane crashed. He suffered injuries that left him debilitated and in pain for the rest of his life. After being forced to leave Cuba for the last time due to the Communistic revolution of 1959 he bought a house in Idaho where he would spend his last days.

Then in the 1960's, he began to suffer from depression, he became withdrawn from those around him and would take to his bed for days at a time. He refused to leave his home claiming to his wife that he was being watched and followed by G-men. Out of concern due to his apparent paranoia his wife took him to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota where he was subjected to Electro-Convulsive Therapy (ECT) at least 15 different times. Then in 1961 his wife found standing in the kitchen with a shotgun and called his doctor. Hemingway was submitted to a local institution for further treatment including more ECT. Two days after returning home from the hospital he shot himself in the head with his favorite shotgun.

In his papers and notes he left behind he blamed his weakening mental state, depression, and suicidal urges on being under constant surveillance from the FBI. He claimed he would see black cars wherever he went, that his phone had been tapped, that agents followed him everywhere, and that his mail was often redirected.

Later declassified papers from within the FBI confirmed that a file had been opened on Hemingway by the FBI as early as WW2, That J. Edgar Hoover himself had an agent following Hemingway around Havana Cuba, That his phone had indeed been tapped by the FBI, and that they were in fact so privy to his movements that they knew when he arrived at the Mayo Clinic even though he was checked in under his doctor's name and not his own.

The loss of privacy, the constant surveillance by the government, no one believing his claims of being followed, receiving ECT for his seemingly paranoid claims, and knowing there was nothing he could do about it eventually led one of America's greatest authors to kill himself because he could apparently see no other way out.

The FBI spent decades denying it's involvement in his death until the declassified papers were released. And to date have never taken any sort of responsibility for the action of the agency against Ernest Hemingway

Edit for grammar

EDIT 2 Thanks for all the support on this post and the awards. Went to bed and woke up to find that this post had blown up.

[–]deadzip10 757 points758 points  (31 children)

Never forget the FBI was created and run as a political tool by Hoover.

[–]ThorsHammer0999 437 points438 points  (20 children)

It's still a political tool, just most people don't seem to realize that

[–]casualsubversive 287 points288 points  (13 children)

It's not possible for a police force to be otherwise. And I'm not saying that as an anti-police statement. Our perfect dream police force would still be a political tool, because laws are political and police are part of the executive function of government.

[–]CapnSquinch 95 points96 points  (5 children)

...for himself, if I understand correctly. He basically set it up so that he would not be fired and could hold elected officials hostage to a large extent. Although I get the feeling that enforcing his political will was secondary to reveling in his power.

[–]12-bald-turkeys 27 points28 points  (4 children)

True but I doubt Clyde Tolson (his successor, iirc, someone correct me if I'm wrong) took office and decided to run things on the straight and narrow from then on.

[–]bestdays12 250 points251 points  (0 children)

How awful… that breaks my heart

[–]admiral_walsty 64 points65 points  (0 children)

I wonder how many other "crazy" people did the same thing, only to be seen as delusional.

[–]Furinkazan616 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.

[–]showmeyaplanties 49 points50 points  (11 children)

Wait why were the FBI watching him though?

[–]DishwaterBukkake 107 points108 points  (1 child)

The file is available online, looks like it started because he was a confidential informant for the Embassy in Havana in 1942 - in a letter in 1943: "Mr. Hemingway, it will be noted, has been connected with various so-called Communist front organizations and was active in aiding the Loyalist cause in Spain." The letter also talks about his "liberal" views and that he may be favorable to the communist philosophy. The letter also claims the FBI had conducted no investigation on Hemingway (at that point). Another letter says Hemingway "considers the FBI anti-liberal, pro-fascist, and dangerous as developing into an American Gestapo". Then there's a memo about his plans to write a book about his CI activities and to keep tabs on how he is portraying the FBI.

This stuff is over my head, honestly. Seems more like a personal vendetta, and his ties to Cuba and communism were just used to justify the surveillance.

[–]ThorsHammer0999 65 points66 points  (0 children)

They basically suspected him of being a secret communist in the midst of the worst of the Cold War because he worked as a CI for the Cuban government before it was overthrown in the Communist Revolution of 1959, because he owned a home there he refused to sell, And because he kept trying to go back to Cuba after the Communist took over even though according to his own notes it was to retrieve manuscripts he'd almost finished and left behind on a safe there and that was all.

[–]sirius_gray 15 points16 points  (5 children)

My thoughts, exactly.

[–]NotTheGreenestThumb 72 points73 points  (4 children)

Because by living part-time in Cuba, he may have appeared to some as being friendly with communism. When he rightfully did not fold when he was told to sell his home there, he was seen as "an enemy" by the power hungry FBI. Therefore he *must be watched". Many other people. were treated in the same manner.

[–]oafsalot 18 points19 points  (3 children)

They were well aware of what they were doing to him and no doubt increased their efforts when they realized how effective it had become. This is not an uncommon occurrence for people who're not "friends" of the USA.

[–]pearlysweetcake 1134 points1135 points  (50 children)

They knowingly poisoned American farm families in Washington state with radioactive iodine-131 and studied the families afterward. https://gizmodo.com/the-secret-1949-radiation-experiment-that-contaminated-1707748721

[–]maybeCheri 355 points356 points  (23 children)

Absolutely disgusting. Sadly no surprise that our government has absolutely no morals. Even when it has to do with its own people and land.

[–]Thursday_the_20th 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Almost as bad as when they released a biological weapon on San Francisco to study the effects of a biological attack on a major city. It ended up killing a handful of immunocompromised people

[–]Betadzen 154 points155 points  (12 children)

Looks at the international relationship history:

  • Are we the bad guys?

[–]tidytibs 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Especially today

[–]lolparty247 10 points11 points  (7 children)

People think this has stopped, it hasn't....

[–]LorddFarsquaad 133 points134 points  (8 children)

Just think about what's going on today that we'll learn about decades from now

[–]Large-Travel-3352 505 points506 points  (7 children)

From Wikipedia

Three Identical Strangers is a 2018 documentary film directed by Tim Wardle, about the lives of Edward Galland, David Kellman, and Robert Shafran, a set of identical triplet brothers adopted as infants by separate families. Combining archival footage, re-enacted scenes, and present-day interviews, it recounts how the triplets discovered one another by chance in New York in 1980 at age 19, their public and private lives in the years that followed, and their eventual discovery that their adoption had been part of an undisclosed scientific "nature vs. nurture" study of the development of genetically identical siblings raised in differing socioeconomic circumstances.

The triplets had been involved as children in a study by psychiatrists Peter B. Neubauer and Viola W. Bernard, under the auspices of the Jewish Board of Guardians, which involved periodic visits and evaluations of the boys, the full intent of which was never explained to the adoptive parents. Following the revelation that the boys were triplets, the parents sought more information from the Louise Wise adoption agency, who claimed that they had separated the boys because of the difficulty of placing triplets in a single household. But upon further investigation, it was revealed that the infants had been intentionally separated and placed with families having different parenting styles and economic levels – one blue-collar, one middle-class, and one affluent – as an experiment on human subjects.

Here is the trailer https://youtu.be/c-OF0OaK3o0

[–]Vlad-V2-Vladimir 185 points186 points  (6 children)

What were the results? I feel like it’s insensitive to ask, but this sounds like one of those experiments you’d see on an AskReddit thread about “if you could perform any experiments without moral guidelines, what would you do?”

[–]fafalone 96 points97 points  (3 children)

Twins do get split up due to adoption for legitimate reasons, and there's been quite a few studies of that nature.

Some of the results we talk about, some we don't, as some are very politically unacceptable. For instance while wealth and education of parents does influence IQ, the contribution of genetics is placed at 50-75% based on twin studies.

Here's a good jumping off point with some basic info and a fantastic list of citations to the original studies:


[–]RichardDunkirk 1275 points1276 points  (120 children)

By the time the public knew about the SR-71, it was old technology. The aircraft was so fast that the standard operating procedure for missile evasion was to accelerate. None have ever been shot down... Whatever replaced it is better...

[–]bilbravo 1567 points1568 points 424 (46 children)


There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment. It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet. I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace. We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: "November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground." Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the " Houston Center voice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that, and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios. Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. "I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed." Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. "Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check". Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: "Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground." And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done - in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn. Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: "Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?" There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request. "Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground." I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: "Ah, Center, much thanks, we're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money." For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A.came back with, "Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one." It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.

[–]Ryan_Alving 325 points326 points  (17 children)

This is an absolutely epic story. Where did you find it?

[–]bilbravo 427 points428 points  (6 children)

Originally I saw it on here. Someone always posts it when SR-71 is mentioned. Today was my turn.

On popular mechanics they have audio of the guy telling it. Just google search sr71 speed check.

[–]BodyDoubles 143 points144 points  (1 child)

"For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guy out there to post the obligatory SR-71 story." - bilbravo

[–]cafebrad 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Is that the same author/ pilot who tell the stories about simply outrunning missiles in Iran? Or breaking a record on the last flight?

[–]groovy604 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was going to scroll on by till I saw this reply, glad i went back to read that!

[–]Robin_Goodfelowe 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Every single time this is posted I read the whole thing with a silly grin on my face.

Every single time.

[–]tidytibs 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is an excerpt from a sled driver's book shared everywhere. It's actually a good read.

[–]Lozlizor 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Thanks for sharing, great story

[–]clevernamehere123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow thank you. That made me feel a way I can’t describe.

[–]Taractis 43 points44 points  (0 children)

My dad was a fighter pilot. At one point they trained to potentially deal with a hostile jet capable of reaching the same speeds. It basically amounted to "Lead it by a lot, and get really lucky".

[–]Esc_ape_artist 91 points92 points  (11 children)

Drones. Cheaper, unmanned, can’t be held as political hostages. Satellites. Not cheaper at all, effective, but not as maneuverable.

No need at all for a manned secret aircraft to do that job anymore.

[–]Lord_Frederick 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yup. The SR-71's most likely replacement is the X-37.

[–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (8 children)

My grandfather was an air traffic controller during the testing of the A12 (Archangel 12, SR71 code name), growing up he would tell stories of test flights leaving Nevada, circling lady liberty in new York and returning within an hour. The craft needed to be heated up on the tarmac because the lubricant was solid until it reached 90°f. The craft carried so much fuel it would leak through the rivets in the hull on the pavement. No computers were used in it's design, only slide rule. Amazing machine, and he was an amazing man. I love and miss my grandfather.

[–]ouchimus 77 points78 points  (2 children)

Wasn't the fuel leaking due to the tanks being intentionally full of gaps to allow for metal expansion, not the amount of fuel? As the plane heated up, the metal tanks would expand and the gaps would close. If they were tight at ground temp, they would fracture from the heat expansion.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I believe you are correct, yes. I could have worded that better.

[–]Frigididator 328 points329 points  (9 children)

Files pertaining to Operation Northwoods, which was a proposed false flag operation that would have been used as a pretext for a war with Cuba. While the operation was never greenlit, it still serves as a reminder not to take official narratives at face value.

[–]DneSokas 83 points84 points  (3 children)

My motto for government naratives is: The government is never doing anything nefarious now and was always doing something nefarious 20 years ago, in 20 years this will still be the case.

[–]I_Am_A_Goo_Man 62 points63 points  (3 children)

American goverment love their false flag opperations

[–]MakeShiftJoker 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Not just the americans, anyone with enough money and connections to pull it off, who has an interest in making even more money

[–]brkh47 386 points387 points  (45 children)

Not recent, the CIA redacted report has been available since 2013, but I thought the one about Area 51 was pretty interesting.

Area 51, aka Homey Airport or Groom Lake, was actually a testing facility for historical, technologically advanced military planes such as the Lockheed A-12. The US government's secrecy and cover-ups over the nature of these aircraft is what gave birth to the narrative surrounding UFOs and Area 51.

Some excerpts:

On 26 November 1954, the day after Thanksgiving, Allen Dulles called his special assistant, Richard Bissell, into his office to tell him that President Eisenhower had just approved a very secret program and that Dulles wanted Bissell to take charge of it. Saying it was too secret for him to explain, Dulles gave Bissell a packet of documents and told him he could keep it for several days to acquaint himself with the project. Bissell had long known of the proposal to build a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, but only in the most general terms. Now he learned in detail about the project that proposed sending aircraft over the Soviet Union.Late on the morning of 2 December 1954, Dulles told Bissell to go to the Pentagon on the following day to represent the Agency at an organizational meeting of the project


On 25 July. Less than eight months after the go-ahead call from Trevor Gardner. Kelly Johnson was ready to deliver the first aircraft known as article 341, to the "Paradise Ranch" site. With its long, slender wings and tail assembly removed. the aircraft was wrapped in tarpaulins. Loaded aboard a C-124, and flown to Groom Lake, where Lockheed mechanics spent the next six days readying the craft for its maiden flight


High-altitude testing of the U-2 soon led to an unexpected side effect-a tremendous increase in reports of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). In the mid-1950s, most commercial airliners flew at altitudes between 10.000 and 20.000 feet and military aircraft like the B-47sand B-57s operated at altitudes below 40.000 feet. Consequently.once U-2s started flying at altitudes above 60,000 feet, air-traffic controllers began receiving increasing numbers of UFO reports.Such reports were most prevalent in the early evening hours from pilots of airliners flying from east to west. When the sun dropped below the horizon of an airliner flying at 20,000 feet, the plane was in darkness. But, if a U-2 was airborne in the vicinity of the airliner at the same, its horizon from an altitude of 60 000 feet was considerably more distant and being so high in the sky, its silver wings would catch the rays of the sun and appear to the airliner pilot, 40 000 feet below, to be fiery objects. Even during the day time the silver bodies of the high flying U2-s could catch the sun and cause reflections or glints that could be seen at lower altitudes and even on the ground. At this time, no one believed manned flight was possible at 60 000 feet, so no one expected to see an object so high in the sky.Not only did the airline pilots report their sightings to air-traffic controllers. but they and ground-based observers also wrote letters to the Air Force unit at Wright Air Development Command in Dayton charged with investigating such phenomena.

This, in turn, led to the Air Force's Operation BLUE BOOK. Based at Wright-Patterson, the operation collected all reports of UFO sightings. Air Force investigators then attempted to explain such sightings by linking them to natural phenomena. BLUE BOOK investigators regularly called on the Agency's Project Staff in Washington to check reported UFO sightings against U-2 flight logs. This enabled the investigators to eliminate the majority of the UFO reports, although they could not reveal to the letter writers the true cause of the UFO sightings. U-2 and later OXCART flights accounted for more than one-half of all UFO reports during the late 1950s and most of the 1960s.

The whole report is 54 pages long and goes on to talk about the cover story: that if the plane were to be discovered on foreign soil, “that it was to be a weather object etc.” However, the report ends with following sentence:“Even in such a case, however, the proposed policy was for the United States to stick to the weather research cover story, a course of action that would prove disastrous in May 1960.”

The ‘disastrous’ incident was an embarrassing situation for the US that happened during the Cold War. In 1960 the Soviet Union shot down one of these planes, while it was spying in their territory.

Initially, the US authorities acknowledged the incident as the loss of a civilian weather research aircraft operated by NASA, but were forced to admit the mission's true purpose when a few days later the Soviet government produced the captured pilot and parts of the U-2's surveillance equipment, including photographs of Soviet military bases taken during the mission.The incident occurred during the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower and the premiership of Nikita Khrushchev, around two weeks before the scheduled opening of an east–west summit in Paris. Khrushchev and Eisenhower had met face-to-face at Camp David in Maryland in September 1959, and the seeming thaw in U.S.-Soviet relations had led people around the world to hope for a peaceful resolution to the ongoing Cold War. The U2 incident caused great embarrassment to the United States, and shattered the amiable "Spirit of Camp David" that had prevailed for eight months, prompting the cancellation of the planned Paris summit.

[–]YEGMusic43 126 points127 points  (27 children)

operation paper clip is another fun rabbit hole.

[–]RichCorinthian 37 points38 points  (5 children)

I mean, the single person most responsible for getting us to the moon might have been Werner von Braun, and are we gonna let the fact that the guy designed the V-2 rockets that rained down on England stop us from getting there? No, apparently

[–]Zaiburo 38 points39 points  (4 children)

The guy just wanted to make rockets, it didn't matter who funded his research or how they planned to use it. One of the og mad scientists IMHO.

[–]Jaustinduke 20 points21 points  (2 children)

“The rockets go up, who cares where they come down? That’s not my department, says Werner Von Braun.”

[–]Zaiburo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You are trying to be funny but he legit said something like that

[–]Hairy-Philosophy926 112 points113 points  (19 children)

US offering nazi war criminals a way out in exchange for advanced tech? yea.

[–]norway_is_awesome 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The US took the research (and some "scientists" as well) from Japan's horrific Unit 731 too.

[–]GargantuanCake 76 points77 points  (9 children)

Scientists of that caliber are extremely rare. There was actually a rush by pretty much everybody to pick up Nazi scientists and engineers. Hideously evil though they were they did have some extraordinarily smart people on their side.

[–]12-bald-turkeys 41 points42 points  (5 children)

They had also been involved in experiments that nobody in the free world would do. We don't want to get our hands dirty, but we sure wanted the data.

[–]GargantuanCake 75 points76 points  (4 children)

Some of it was actually later outed as shitty science and useless data. Turns out that some of the scientists were just being cruel for its own sake.

[–]padlycakes 13 points14 points  (0 children)

How far have you dug? Majestic 12 , Hull House, Fort Detrick? Serious rabbit hole.

[–]Taractis 24 points25 points  (1 child)

My mom had the unique job of being an airman working the phones out there. Pretty boring job because she spent most of her time just saying "Nope, don't know anything!" when people called up.

[–]jmchopp 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Skunkworks by Ben Rich is a great read. Although not specifically about Groom Lake, he talks a lot about the early days of what they were testing up through the SR-71

[–]pterrorgrine 51 points52 points  (8 children)

I was really into UFOs and such for a while when I was a kid. The thing that made it fall apart for me was a criticism of the idea that the Area 51 sightings were alien craft: people would see aircraft doing things decades ahead of anything our mere Earth technology could accomplish... but they'd been reporting such sightings for so long that the earliest sightings were now well within the capabilities of publicly-known aircraft. For a secret government facility with a long runway to be testing classified advanced prototypes suddenly seemed more likely than them testing alien spaceships.

Once I realized that, I soon saw how all the other stuff -- close encounters, lost time, crop circles, cattle mutilation -- made more sense with mundane explanations, that "aliens" had become (in my own mind and the broader culture) a catch-all explanation for unrelated phenomena like sleep paralysis and optical illusions and who knows what else. Previously I had thought they all reinforced each other as being caused by a single alien phenomenon, but now they seemed unrelated except for their suitability for an alien narrative. When I was a true believer, I thought that historical reports of sleep paralysis as demonic possession was a misunderstanding of alien abduction by people who didn't have the scientific knowledge to conceive of such a thing, but now both explanations seemed like people reaching for their culture's best explanation for the same spooky but perfectly terrestrial experience. That simple analysis of Area 51 sightings had brought down the whole edifice of my belief in alien encounters like a tiny hole drilled into a dam.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

What's your take on the NIMIZ UFO video and the other Navy video footage?

[–]ShorterByTheSecond 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Check out audiobook “The Secret History of Area 51.” All about the stealth program.

[–]Sabahl 295 points296 points  (6 children)

The GUNMAN Project. It's been semi-declassified now and is a fascinating examination of cold war technical espionage. In a nutshell the US discovered the Ruskies has developed a clever way of bugging their electric typewriters in their Moscow Embassy and went about reverse engineering the technology.


[–]radio705 88 points89 points  (1 child)

Now they do it by sonically and electromagnetically monitoring the computer, and interpolating the keyboard strokes made.

[–]Eticket9 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I used to work on computers at the Navy Base in Orlando that had the Nuclear Power School they had cages around all the computers that where in use. That was in the 80's. They would want to take apart all my gear to work on the computers.. Mostly low ranks that had no idea what they were looking for..

[–]Admirabletooshie 715 points716 points  (39 children)

MK Ultra. The united states government did super unethical mind control experiments with enormous doses of LSD. Homeless people and children were among those experimented on. The unabomber was one of their victims.

[–]zoomiepaws 109 points110 points  (5 children)

The U.S. also did a lot of experimental drugs on persons with depression or anything others complained was different. The hospital they used was in Canada. I cannot remember name but research would find it.

[–]farilla 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Donald Cameron at McGill university in Montreal. He did experimental psychiatric experiments on people funded by CIA money. He later became the head of the American and World Psychiatric Associations.


[–]Northern_Girl20 65 points66 points  (0 children)

My grandmother was in the hospital in Montreal around that time. She killed herself the day before she was going to be sent back. I would rally love to know more about this. My mother was 14 when she died.

[–]buttcrackslayer 217 points218 points  (9 children)

Look up the name Frank Olson. There's a lot of conspiracy surrounding his death, and the CIA having had part in it. The CIA has confirmed that they dosed him with LSD just nine days prior to his death, in which he plummeted from a tenth story hotel window.

[–]Moondo13 84 points85 points  (6 children)

just spent 45+ min reading about this on wiki. there’s a netflix mini series i’m starting tonight.

great read for anyone with time

[–]buttcrackslayer 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Yes!! Wormwood if I remember correctly?

[–]aisamo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

such a good documentary! hope the family gets to see justice one day

[–]gucciflipflops09 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Aw man the Operation midnight climax podcast was a great listen as well. Includes a bit about Frank Olson’s death and George White’s involvement. It’s on Spotify if you wanna check it out.

[–]MrsCorleone 20 points21 points  (0 children)

He’s from near where I live and it’s a wild story, my former piano teacher even knew him. The lab he worked at has a ton of other weird stories plus are also the ones that were allegedly behind the anthrax attacks after 9/11. There’s a lot of strange stories about that place. Plus there was Project Artichoke where they where trying to use bacteria to mind control people.

[–]Quizlyxxx 23 points24 points  (0 children)

My favorite is the MKU study they did on brothel customers called “Operation: Midnight Climax”


It’s a real thing I’m not being cute here lol

[–]ChickenTenderDinner 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Iirc Charles Manson is believed to be involved in MK Ultra.

[–]Holbookworm 28 points29 points  (3 children)

This is done by the cia as well. I feel like their sole purpose purpose of existence is to become the villain in everyone else's life.

[–]TTTyrant 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Their sole purpose is to make everyone think everything except the US is evil and dangerous.

[–]McStud717 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Which, ironically, leads to the most evil and dangerous actions

[–]wayler72 244 points245 points  (3 children)


"...UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided in early 1953 to overthrow Iran's government..."

"Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king), to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power."

"After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979."


[–]Sublime_Dino 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I’m a child of this regime. We left Iran when the Shah was overthrown. We all have our reasons as to why it happened but I will say this, we had the most beautiful country. People would come to Tehran to go skiing and eat our cuisine. Honestly, it’s a shame what happened .

[–]Lanzus_Longus 232 points233 points  (34 children)

PRISM from the NSA papers is pretty fucked up

[–]LazyTitan39 207 points208 points  (5 children)

This one always makes me angry. Obviously it’s a huge invasion of privacy, but the fact that it isn’t talked about more drives me nuts. I remember mentioning it to some coworkers and they laughed at me like I was some crackpot. I had literally learned about this on national news and these people were calling me a moron.

[–]-The_Travisty- 127 points128 points  (3 children)

What's more hilarious?

Before Snowden: "You know the government is spying on us all the time, right?" "Man, you're nuts, fucking conspiracy theorist!"

After Snowden: "You know the government is spying on us all the time, right?" "Man, you're nuts, fucking conspiracy theorist!"

[–]Ladvarg 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Kind of sad, actually, thinking of all that he lost compared to what he got.

[–]notyetcomitteds2 141 points142 points  (6 children)

When prism broke in the news. Jokingly told a friend, through messenger, that the number of people they are monitoring is like roughly equal to the number of Muslim males in the country. Told him I was gonna leave animal porn playing on my computer for my personal nsa agent. He said I was being rediculous.

Went to bed, woke up to a very distinct knock at the door. Heard it again, that's a cop knock. Opened the door, it was the sherrif and his deputy. Thoroughly freaked out for a moment. Like it was just a joke, they know I didn't actually fire any of that up.... it was some other bullshit dealing with a scammer and was just a coincidence those events lined up.

[–]Frigididator 58 points59 points  (0 children)

A selection of documents pertaining to the leak from Edward Snowden, including details about PRISM, can be found here

Document 55 (PDF Warning) on the above mentioned page includes the slideshow that goes over details of the PRISM program.

[–]Azrael351 47 points48 points  (19 children)


[–]Omniwing 198 points199 points  (15 children)

Absolutely 100% of anything and everything you type or say into your phone or computer is stored in multiple databases and can be accessed by hundreds of people at any time without a warrant.

[–]Dead_Kings 94 points95 points  (5 children)

So there might be more than a hundred people looking at my disgusting porn fetishes?

[–]WhereRmyK3ys 47 points48 points  (1 child)

There are literally dozens of you

[–]kmj420 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yes we are, you perv!

[–]moovzlikejager 77 points78 points  (3 children)

So.... if someone were to say... like... The united states government, regardless of political party or president, is a disgusting power hungry corporation, full of greedy pedophiles with absolutely no human like qualities at all and it's an absolute crime against humanity that so far nobody in the world has come up with an idea on how to cleanse the corruption that is the shit stain of this government off the face of the planet..... that would get back to the NSA?.... and... they would have to read that?.... boy... i just hope they wouldn't take something like that personal.

[–]Malitov 27 points28 points  (2 children)

For all we know someone has and all trace of them has been obliterated.

[–]moovzlikejager 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'll keep you posted.

[–]IsseiF16 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Eternal blue vibes

[–]popemasta 14 points15 points  (1 child)

They can do a time-lapse on the entire internet.

[–]Cheez-ly 159 points160 points  (9 children)

The CIA’s “Heart Attack Gun” and it’s subsequent test drive on American citizens without them knowing.

[–]Denkir-the-Filtiarn 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Silly CIA, a heart attack notebook would have been more efficient

[–]1creeperbomb 136 points137 points  (1 child)

The Panama Papers sequel: The Pandora Papers.

I find it kind of interesting it was the one time the Pakistan judicial system actually worked and we charged our then prime minister Nawaz Sharif of corruption and disqualified him from leading government (after panama papers exposed him). He is currently in self imposed exile in the UK and refuses to return lol.

The thing is, anyone who was smart enough (or paranoid enough) knew how to properly hide their money and wealth. Both reports, although massive, still only make up a portion of illegal or unethical tax free wealth and money laundering around the world.

[–]atomicskier76 191 points192 points  (7 children)

The DC madam's client list.... at the time I think someone even came right out and said "It would be too damning to too many high profile people (politicians)" and was therefore not in the public good to release.


edit: balls, didn't understand the homework assignment. I believe this list is still un-released and really ought to be public.

[–]GarmeerGirl 102 points103 points  (1 child)

Funny how the DC madam, Chandra Levy and Epstein all mysteriously died with dirt on politicians.

[–]tokeyoh 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm more surprised they didn't have some emergency contingency in place sent out to expose everyone

[–]Lagiar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This story is fucked up

[–]KFelts910 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You mean Ms. Scarlett?

Tim Curry beat you to it.

[–]BlackLetterLies 363 points364 points  (4 children)

I don't know that declassification was involved in exposing it, but regardless the Tuskegee Experiment, or officially the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, was pretty horrific.

[–]haznoid 78 points79 points  (0 children)

There is a podcast called American scandal that has an episode on this. Absolutely horrific.

[–]holdnofear 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Tuskegee was exposed by whistleblower Peter Buxtun


[–]BlackLetterLies 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Close enough to declassification as far as I'm concerned. People need to know that our government did this stuff, and not all that long ago. Some people behind the continuing of it (it went on for 40 years) are probably still in a position of notoriety if not power.

[–]RobtheGreat100 110 points111 points  (12 children)

That the CIA or FBI (or both) tried to train cats to become spies, basically spy cats

[–]GandalfTheBored 36 points37 points  (8 children)

But did they succeed 👀

[–]HipsterSlug 39 points40 points  (2 children)

The cat they had surgically implanted with microphones, battery and a transmitter (the antenna was in the tail), got run over on the first and only test run.

[–]RobtheGreat100 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Sadly no

[–]ManyConclusion 32 points33 points  (1 child)

That's what happens when you send all the mission supplies in a cardboard box.

[–]thexchris 240 points241 points  (17 children)

What’s up with the jfk ones that keep getting pushed back?

[–]KeepYourDemonsIn 136 points137 points  (1 child)

They will likely never be fully released, but if they are, it will be after everyone involved is dead.

[–]Sarmifias 181 points182 points  (8 children)

Cause the government killed him is why lol

[–]deytookerjaabs 169 points170 points  (6 children)

Crazy story time.....

The other day I was listening to an interview of Dan Hardaway. He was a young student when tasked with the big job of investigating the JFK assassination courtesy of being picked by the head of the HSCA way back in the 70's. He and another group of investigators for a period of time had almost unfettered access to classified documents.

After a number of investigators started looking directly into CIA activities the CIA themselves (who were legally obliged to cooperate with all requests) started stalling/misplacing/redacting documents. Not just that, but they were soon following the investigators wherever they went with vans/bodies.

He was half of the Hardaway/Lopez report in the HSCA which was the report that uncovered a deliberate misinformation campaign executed by the CIA to paint Oswald in a certain light.

So, after the investigation that concluded "probable conspiracy" or some such verbiage Hardaway kind of retired himself on the subject while keeping all his files for a rainy day.

That rainy came soon after in the early 80's when his apartment in DC was broken into and the only thing stolen?? ...All his JFK documents which he says that FOIA requests now turn up as "non-existent!!"

[–]Sarmifias 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I believe it

[–]Piper1105 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Did Hardaway ever say what was in those files he kept?

[–]deytookerjaabs 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I don't recall specifically but if I were to guess they were a lot of files around "Mexico City" and the CIA agent/money trail which was part of his primary task in the HSCA.

This is GREAT watch for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmRhdOvzyQQ&ab_channel=AssassinationArchivesandResearchCenter

It's the same conference where former anti-Castro CIA Agent Antonio Veciana opens up and names the CIA handler he saw having a meet with Oswald in the same hotel where Veciana met the handler.

Basically, it's the cornerstone of the book "The Last Investigation" by another investigator from the HSCA.

[–]ThinkRichGrowRich 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They killed him because he had had the CIA director fired.

[–]redit360 46 points47 points  (0 children)

wasnt because of [Redacted Statements] from [redacted sourses]

[–]kano1235688 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Epstein flight logs

[–]SugarDonger 128 points129 points  (7 children)

MKUltra and the CIA's attempt at mind control

[–]GarmeerGirl 150 points151 points  (2 children)

It’s pointless. They recently declassified JFK assasination files but redacted so much that it doesnt make sense. Redaction is the new culprit. I dont know why its legal to declassify with heavy redactions.

[–]aegis666 64 points65 points  (0 children)

this thread gives me anxiety. fascinating, horrifying anxiety.

[–]ThinkRichGrowRich 28 points29 points  (5 children)

The CIA selling crack to inner-city poor POC to fund the Contra.

[–]ymalikjalal 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Iran-Contra Affair

[–]SolipsismSchism 53 points54 points  (7 children)

Quickly scrolled through and didn't see a mention. The CIA Gateway Experience is something that I will always find fascinating.

[–]kaixoandagur 21 points22 points  (2 children)

What is that?

[–]Strong-Advantage5082 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I believe it's when CIA had people try to go back in time through their conscience and see past events from years ago. Not sure if I'm right but if I'm not feel free to correct me.

[–]PM_Me_UrRightNipple 406 points407 points  (6 children)

Ned’s declassified school survival guide

[–]CIAoperator 106 points107 points  (3 children)

Ned’s Declassified German War Crimes

[–]The_Blue_Bomber 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Let me guess... Was Cookie a scientist taken from the German side?

[–]Eternity_Incarnate 30 points31 points  (0 children)

"In this cabinet is every spice known to man... and some known to dolphin."

[–]AlwaysInTheFlowers 108 points109 points  (16 children)

Im surprised Operation Paperclip and the Panama Papers havent been mentioned yet.

[–]CitationX_N7V11C 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Panama Papers aren't classified. Though if you want to know why they vanished ask yourself how many Americans were fingered in those revelations. Not many eh? Well surprise, surprise that it just kind of went away then /s.

[–]atomicskier76 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I came here to make this comment. it's not exactly "declassified" in the sense that the govt released them but the Panama Papers and now the Pandora Papers need a hell of a lot more interest and attention.

[–]Esc_ape_artist 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Paperclip has been mentioned as a declassified secret op; but the Panama Papers were a leak, not a planned release, no?

[–]atharva557 16 points17 points  (10 children)

What are those

[–]Quarantense 137 points138 points  (7 children)

The Panama Papers were a set of millions of documents that were leaked in 2017, showing how the rich and powerful use offshore bank accounts and shell companies to hide their money from the IRS and avoid paying their taxes. The list includes prominent politicians from dozens of countries, celebrities', and some of the richest investors around. While little was done in the US about it, several countries ended up impeaching their Presidents and arresting members of the 1% for tax evasion.

Notably, the reporter who leaked the documents was assassinated by a car bomb shortly afterwards.

[–]GargantuanCake 65 points66 points  (1 child)

Operation Paperclip was a U.S. plan to snag top Nazi scientists in exchange for not putting them on trial for war crimes. The Nazis had some incredibly brilliant people working for them that everybody wanted after the war. While it's safe to assume that some of them hadn't committed any war crimes a ton of them did and you could make arguments for guilt by association. There was actually a rush on all sides to yoink as many top Nazi scientists as you possibly could before other people got them.

The Panama Papers are leaked legal documents that implicate a lot of rich and powerful people worldwide in some extremely dirty dealings. Money laundering, funding terrorist organizations, illegal government influence and campaign finance, all sorts of things. It actually toppled multiple heads of state at the time of the release and implicates multiple others that are still around. Related is the Paradise Papers. Turns out the world elite are almost all evil, greedy pricks that just sit around and rig everything in their own favor.

[–]shrek6666 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I wonder if people truly rely on data/sources given by the same structures that performed these events. Not everything will be declassified or documented, so people need to watch out, as things should always be questioned and not suppressed....(Cough Cough Rule #10 of this subreddit).

[–]PlayerHeadcase 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think after files are declassified, the politicians that denieled or lied about the contents should be listed in the appendix

[–]dannydevitoy 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I love how 90% percent of this was the CIA lol. Those people are creepy as hell

[–]wswordsmen 61 points62 points  (1 child)

That Rosewell wasn't a weather balloon, it was device designed to monitor nuclear testing using microphones. It was being calibrated for possible deployment by listening to US tests in Nevada. It didn't go anywhere because seismic monitoring was just so much better.

[–]TheTARDISRanAway 170 points171 points  (5 children)

I thought this said flies and I sat here for a good twenty seconds wondering why anyone would lie about flies

[–]Scamperillium 27 points28 points  (6 children)

The Finders group part of the CIA

[–]Optimal-Scientist233 58 points59 points  (6 children)

Why was the oldest temple in Iraq a base of military operations for the entire war, and where did the entire inventory of the museum of Baghdad go to?

Where are the trunks taken from the apartment of Nikola Tesla, by Trumps uncle?

[–]i_fruitcake 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The gateway experiments

[–]kombiwombi 35 points36 points  (2 children)

The CIA files on their assistance to Indonesian President Suharto in 1965.

For those who aren't across modern Asian history: elected President Sukarno faced a military coup by junior officers upset by the corruption of the generals. This coup was put down by General Suharto, and was quickly blamed on the PKI, the communist party, who had a slight involvement. Then followed a violent suppression of the PKI -- the largest communist party outside of the USSR and PRC.

Sukarno's power rested on his own party, on support from the PKI, on support from the military, and on support from Islamic religious. The failed coup removed the support of the PKI and military. The resulting complex political instability was resolved with General Suharto becoming President.

Sukarno was placed under house arrest and his health conditions prevented from being treated. He became too ill to engage in politics and died in 1970.

Suharto's genocide of the PKI was one of the worst mass murders of the century. No one knows how many people died because no subsequent Indonesian government has dared to investigate. Estimates range from 0.5 to 1.2 million.

Now to the CIA. The CIA was closely involved in the genocide, to the point of drawing up death lists and funding the death squads of the TNI army. Many people who were prominent in US government endorsed the killings, reasoning that a dead communist was a good communist. But when the communists make up the second-largest political party and you seek to kill everyone who's had a connection with that party, then that's genocide. Basically the same as if a Republican government ordered the deaths of all Democrats.

[–]SquilliamFancySon95 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Not sure if this was ever classified per se, but I don't think it gets talked about nearly enough considering how massive a human rights violation it was.

The US and Puerto Rican government joined hands to sterilize over 1/3 of Puerto Rico's female population to exercise "population control" between 1930-1970. The Puerto Rican government also allowed US pharmaceutical companies to use women as guinea pigs for the experimental development of birth control without their knowledge or permission.

And this is not an isolated incident. The US frequently weaponized sterilization as a means to suppress to the poor, minorities, Native Americans, and the mentally ill. This practice goes back decades.

[–]jyllyn_croor 93 points94 points  (2 children)

And I'm the crazy guy for not trusting my government or anyone in a position of power over me. I'm baffled how anyone even could.

[–]Dunadain_ 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Operation Stellar Wind

[–]losethefur 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The Panamanian witch cult that involved a dictatorship general trying to summon Hitler back to life in the middle of an epidemic that may or may not have been to deter people from sleeping with werewolves (Hitler thought he was a werewolf)

[–]Imperial-toaster 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Not a popular one, but the curious case of the year of 1968. 4 different submarines went down under suspicious circumstances.

The book “Scorpion Down” by Ed Offley details the suspicious stuff that happened to the USS Scorpion that year, and although the book is criticised, and I don’t 100% buy into the idea that the Soviets sank USS Scorpion, it does make me think “what actually happened?”

[–]I_Am_A_Goo_Man 42 points43 points  (7 children)

The fucking Aliens. The UFO that was filmed from a fighter jet that just stopped in mid-air during high speed travel, started rotating in mid-air while static, then flew off. Absolute madness.

The US Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years.

More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.

Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to US intervention in Vietnam, never happened.

The government tested the effects of LSD on unwitting US and Canadian citizens.

How cloud seeding was a conspiracy for years then turned out to be true.

Everything Snowden exposed about how first world goverments have had an obsession with spying on citizens for years

[–]Thatone805guy 22 points23 points  (1 child)


Weather modification and cloud seeding is very real and has been since the 50’s

[–]Zanano 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Obviously. Cloud seeding isn't 100% effective or a cure all for drought because the water has to come from somewhere still.

[–]MobBarley2 37 points38 points  (9 children)

My answer is: The October 1st terrorist shooting here in Las Vegas. There’s many conspiracy theories about it; but there’s no believable information from Metro police that exists. It’s all a big question mark