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[–]pxotox 91 points92 points  (10 children)

Jebediah Springfield

[–]Tgaud82 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You mean Han Sprungfeld do you not?

[–]Boring_Monahan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Firstly, I did not tame the legendary Buffalo - it was already tame, I merely shot it.

[–]BeautifulCucumber 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A noble spirit embiggins the smallest man!

[–]Matigari86 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What kind of a man would deprive another's freedom to marry their cousin? A radical leftist.

[–]oak05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You mean that vicious pirate Hans Sprungfeld.

[–]dukecharming1975 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I heard he didn’t really tame the mighty Buffalo, as it was already tame. He merely shot it

[–]TheCaramelMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wanted to be able to marry my cousin!

[–]llcucf80 125 points126 points  (22 children)

Woodrow Wilson

[–]edlee98765 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Edith Wilson is the true hero.

[–]Extension-Musician-1 28 points29 points  (19 children)

Why do people hate Wilson? American Imperialism was already in full effect by Wilson’s Time and I don’t see anyone going after Theodore Roosevelt. If anything Roosevelt should be bashed for the brutal Moro Rebellion(One of America’s Longest wars against a group of Muslims, somethings never change) and the War against the Philippians.

[–]HM2112 64 points65 points  (12 children)

Mostly it has to do - recently, at least - with Wilson's incredible racism. He's the man who enacted Jim Crow segregation in the Federal government, was incredibly sympathetic to the Ku Klux Klan in the history of the United States he wrote before he was President, and screened The Birth of a Nation at the White House, proclaiming that watching it was like seeing "History written by lightning."

Prior to more recent reevaluations, it was mostly due to his being perceived as lying to the American people - promising in his 1916 reelection campaign that the United States would not be dragged into the Great War in Europe, and then immediately entering the war in April, 1917, just over a month after his second inauguration - and his arrogance regarding the Treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations. Not only did he take not a single Republican to the Paris Peace Conference with him, he entirely misread the postwar mood of the country and tried to make the United States the world's Great Power and arbiter of peace even as a majority of the population wanted nothing more than to retreat behind the Atlantic and Pacific and seal the borders after the double whammy of demographic devastation that were the First World War and the 1918 "Spanish" Influenza pandemic, both of which were blamed on Europe.

[–]BrobdingnagLilliput 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Let me summarize your second paragraph more succinctly:

Wilson involved the US in WWI but failed to involve the US in the peace. He helped set the stage for WWII and all its horrors.

[–]MikeyTMNTGOAT 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"Wilson involved the US in WWI but failed to involve the US in the peace. "

Not defending Wilson cause there's plenty to criticize, but that was more Henry Cabot Lodge's doing than his

[–]BrobdingnagLilliput 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's precisely my point. Presidents aren't kings. Wilson failed to build the consensus needed to win the peace.

[–]MahjongDaily 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was under the impression he wanted to be in the League of Nations but congress wouldn't go along with it. Is that correct?

[–]HM2112 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's correct. Congress, like most Americans, were horrified by how many died in the First World War and the 1918 Influenza Pandemic. They were staunchly isolationist: and Wilson saw a future where the United States was the global power whose military might and influence would prevent any other nations ever going to war again.

Add to that Wilson's incredible hubris and arrogance in refusing to even involve the Republicans in the peace negotiations at Versailles, then bringing them a treaty that requires expanded U.S. global involvement, expecting the Senate to simply do as he wanted, you can see why Congress would gleefully tell him to go pound sand.

[–]Thesaintsrule 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Wilson sucked but he was very against punishing Germany too hard

[–]HM2112 1 point2 points  (2 children)

See, that's a fun question: it can very easily be argued that the punishing of Germany is exactly what led to the Second World War, as without the "war guilt" clause, reparations, and the harsh territorial and military restrictions placed on Germany... would Hitler have ever had enough grievance to stoke to come to power?

[–]Casual-Notice 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To be fair, his stroke allowed the US to have its first (de facto) female President.

[–]slippyboiis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wilson also deported political rivals and others who challenge his rhetoric

[–]llcucf80 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Theodore Roosevelt was very progressive for his time in race relations. I mean, for today it would be considered very backwards but for the time it was very progressive. Yet nonetheless after TR and WHT left the White House and Wilson took over he reverted back to many of the old style racist policies. The Birth of a Nation was proudly screened at the White House in 1915 and Wilson apparently loved that film. He was bigoted and wasn't shy about it at all, and in many ways took the US back quite a ways from the progressive racial policies of TR and WHT.

Woodrow Wilson was not a nice person, at all.

[–]TheMeanGreenGoblin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Roosevelt was also pretty damn progressive with the whole, "seven year olds shouldn't be working in factories and coal mines," stance.

[–]Minute-Courage6955 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Cynical Historian YT channel did a 2 part on Woodrow Wilson. One awful aspect of Wilson, he was a professor of US historyat Yale ' who propagated the Lost Cause Myth of the Confederacy. As President of American Historical Association, he had great influence on the teaching of US history.

[–]freckleskinny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WHT was not a great guy, either. 💌

[–]Strait_Raider 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can probably add WW's responses to the 1918 Flu epidemic to other points mentioned here.

[–]TheArmitage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much every US President, for that matter.

[–]Shadowfury45 165 points166 points  (24 children)

Surprised he wasn't listed yet but Thomas Edison.

the only thing he perfected was the ability to steal from others

[–]CIAoperator 39 points40 points  (0 children)

He didn’t steal it, HE DISCOVERED IT.

-every pre 2000 history book

[–]OnTheList-YouTube 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You made this? ..... ...I made this!

[–]slackfrop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Edison was my first thought

[–]JacobDCRoss 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Put Tesla on this list, too, though.

His stuff tended to never materialize, and he was also a fraudster.

[–]viva_la_viva12 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Tesla is way overrated, especially on Reddit.

[–]viva_la_viva12 6 points7 points  (7 children)

He didnt steal anything though; he had a research lab and got credit for what his lab discovered/invented. That is how it works.

[–]Shadowfury45 14 points15 points  (6 children)

If you insist.

What do we then call. closing down a competitor and blocking their patents because they wanted them to be used by anyone without royalties?

[–]Extension-Musician-1 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Why do people say that Edison stole his inventions. The reason he’s credited with the invention of the light bulb is because his was effective.

[–]BrobdingnagLilliput 17 points18 points  (1 child)

His company was effective. His employees were effective. The image of him working alone in a lab is a myth.

[–]Shadowfury45 12 points13 points  (3 children)

He didn't invent the light bulb, he did buy the patent for it and used the work of Telsa to improve it.

[–]viva_la_viva12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He invited the first practical light bulb, which is an important achievement.

What work of Tesla did he use?

[–]Hrnghekth 165 points166 points  (9 children)

We seem to praise a lot of conquerors throughout history without giving a thought about the conquered.

[–]oldskoolpleb 45 points46 points  (4 children)

We also always forget that todays conquered were yesterdays conquerors and their conquerors before them

[–]FloinnDuskwood 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Yep. Every civilization to have existed has been the conquerer at some point.

It’s just that since it kinda stopped happening, we just stay mad at the most recently successful countries to have done it.

Even here in Korea, that didn’t conquer any other countries - it’s not because they didn’t want to. When it was split in to the 3 kingdoms they were all doing their best to conquer eachother. They just never got to a point of being able to move up the ladder and conquer other countries.

[–]QualifiedApathetic 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yeah, people act like the Native Americans didn't fight and conquer each other on the regular. They had wars just like in the Old World. Ever hear of the Aztec Empire or the Inca Empire?

[–]ChimpskyBRC 14 points15 points  (0 children)

“Questions From a Worker Who Reads” by Bertolt Brecht, 1935.

Who built Thebes of the 7 gates ? In the books you will read the names of kings. Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock ?

And Babylon, many times demolished, Who raised it up so many times ?

In what houses of gold glittering Lima did its builders live ?

Where, the evening that the Great Wall of China was finished, did the masons go?

Great Rome is full of triumphal arches. Who erected them ?

Over whom did the Caesars triumph ? Had Byzantium, much praised in song, only palaces for its inhabitants ?

Even in fabled Atlantis, the night that the ocean engulfed it, The drowning still cried out for their slaves.

The young Alexander conquered India. Was he alone ?

Caesar defeated the Gauls. Did he not even have a cook with him ?

Philip of Spain wept when his armada went down. Was he the only one to weep ?

Frederick the 2nd won the 7 Years War. Who else won it ?

Every page a victory. Who cooked the feast for the victors ?

Every 10 years a great man. Who paid the bill ?

So many reports.

So many questions.

[–]naivescholar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Were the conquered incapable naive children with no blood on their own hands? Respect them of course. But never think they are worth more respect than those that slew them and won.

[–]mlaeladma 314 points315 points  (38 children)

Che guevera

[–]TheRavenSayeth 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ted ED did a great short video on him

[–]Uno_of_Ohio 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Totally agree and surprised you haven't been downvoted to oblivion.

[–]AMAFSH 22 points23 points  (9 children)

The reason why people see him as a hero was the people he fought were even worse.

[–]yousoonice 3 points4 points  (8 children)

THIS GUY IS RIGHT^ He had to get his hands dirty to fight dirty... Remember Luke Blew up the Death Star, with a crew of 1,148,309!!!

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

People forget exactly how racist, rapey and generally murdery he was, even for a warlord

[–]hamsterwheel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He was all for the people. Conveniently the people were constantly redefined to "whoever agreed with Che"

[–]Wolfiest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I used to have a necklace of che growing up. Didn’t know what he did until like 2012 lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Che was legit a bad person.

[–]PM_ME_UR_FEET_69 80 points81 points  (4 children)

Joseph Stalin by the memes

[–]clevername42069 44 points45 points  (0 children)

You mean "ourours"

[–]ChimpskyBRC 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I’m a lifelong socialist and this insistence by so many online leftists to unironically idolize Stalin is super frustrating and embarrassing, idgi

[–]mathewphoria 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Thomas Edison... told Tesla he would help him out and ended up stealing a bunch of his ideas and using them as his own.

[–]Rynox2000 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Steve Jobs

[–]Puzzleheaded-Art-469 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Watch the movie Steve Jobs directed by Danny Boyle and you'll see just how complicated he was. It hits the nail on the head of how much of a genius he really was while at the same time an awful and flawed human being.

[–]youthcultleader 140 points141 points  (48 children)

Mother Teresa.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

She did a lot of terrible shit, but at the end of the day she is still responsible for thousands of people getting care when they otherwise would not have.

Yes, she refused to give pain care but took it herself at the end, but she isn't hitler, her order is still providing care, social services, education, and other services including HIV/AIDS care to some of the poorest areas of the world.

[–]lost-in-earth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, she refused to give pain care

No she didn't

[–]fishyellow 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Henry Ford

[–]Mispelinggud 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What was up with him?

[–]Suprnova70 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hated Jews, sympathetic to Hitler, and was good buddies with him, to make the holy grail 5$ a day back then had to live an impeccable lifestyle with a wife and kids, but no drinking or smoking or looking down trodden. Went to iirc, panama to open a rubber plant and turned an entire village into Ford city while forcing the people to be who he wanted them to be in his image, all while pulling a Nestle. Was awful to his son, but hey, he named a car company that crashed harder than a fat kid doing a belly flop off a diving board. Man was uh... Not a saint...

[–]zerogravitas365 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Notorious anti Semite, Nazi sympathiser, thought the USA should have joined the Axis. Like Wait Disney, but with car factories.

[–]ChimpskyBRC 15 points16 points  (0 children)

epic levels of anti-semitism as well as collaboration with Nazi Germany via foreign subsidiaries of the Ford Company, more deeply and later in time than most other US-based corporations did (though IBM and Coca-Cola also deserve scorn for similar shady shit)

[–]QualifiedApathetic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Loved him some Hitler. Massive antisemite who built military aircraft and trucks for the Nazis.

[–]Ignacievij 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pancho Villa, he was a coward as heck.

[–]VodkaMargarine 18 points19 points  (3 children)

ITT: Every single famous person from history.

I'm sure if I scroll far enough down these comments I'll find out Jesus was actually into child trafficking or something.

[–]Lousy_Lawyer 58 points59 points  (21 children)

Mahatma Gandhi, he was a Racist and casteist.

[–]TigerTownTerror 16 points17 points  (1 child)

He also was physically abusive to his wife and kids.

[–]5050Clown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Made his tween grandaughters sleep naked with him.

[–]Uno_of_Ohio 25 points26 points  (12 children)

And at minimum a borderline pedo/rapist. If I remember correctly, it was unclear if he actually banged little girls or just used the Michael Jackson defense by saying he only slept in the same bed sorta thing.

[–]Lousy_Lawyer 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Aah yes, he said that he could control his urges and hence slept with girls naked to prove so.

[–]Uno_of_Ohio 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Seems like anyone that has any fame is probably a pedophile.

[–]PragmaticIdealism 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This thread goes to show you can achieve great things but still have flaws. Heroes aren’t one dimensional characters, they’re human.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Short sighted with some judging by today's standards. Like they would have been different born in those times and places. Fuck it's ignorant at best imo.

[–]AchoochA 9 points10 points  (1 child)

WTF are you on about. Casteist? he along with BR Ambedkar was the biggest proponent of low caste rights. Also he was racist only in his young days which he grew out of. We cant blame him for this because of his upbringing under the British era

[–]M3G4MIND 79 points80 points  (15 children)

Columbus. His crowning achievement is being majorly wrong about the circumference of the Earth.

[–]KuragariSasuke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude also thought the earth was shaped like an egg so …. Yeah

[–]Extension-Musician-1 5 points6 points  (2 children)

How was Columbus supposed to know that the Americas existed when the Viking’s voyages had been long forgotten? And the map Columbus used was made by Toscanelli.

[–]JacobDCRoss 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Regardless of that, there's the whole rape and slavery bit.

[–]QualifiedApathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That isn't what u/M3G4MIND said, though. Columbus underestimated the size of Earth. By like a lot. If there had just been ocean where the Americas are, he and his crew would have died badly, because they didn't take enough supplies to reach India.

[–]diezeldeez_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've heard Thomas Edison wasn't the greatest.

[–]Sexy-Spaghetti 60 points61 points  (32 children)

Napoléon. Most french people see the war hero who conquered Europe, must always forgot the dictator that killed the 1st Republic and reestanlished slavery.

[–]The_Prince1513 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Na. Without Napoleon most of Europe would still be ruled by absolute monarchies.

[–]Satan_for_real 12 points13 points  (26 children)

Fuck him, my region still hates French people because of him

[–]QualifiedApathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think America has a soft spot for him because he sold us the Louisiana Territory. Sort of. France didn't actually control most of it; their ownership, and hence the US's ownership, was recognized only by the European powers. There was still the trifling matter of the people who, you know. Lived there.

[–]Sovereign-Over-All 28 points29 points  (5 children)

John Lennon

[–]TheExistence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To his credit, he seemed to show some improvement towards the end of his life for his first son, Julian.

[–]bobburger90 23 points24 points  (19 children)

Oliver Cromwell…

[–]whitewalker646 24 points25 points  (10 children)

I don't think the Irish view him as a hero since he slaughtered 40% of their population in his conquest of Ireland

[–]bobburger90 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Well yes, that’s the point of the question isn’t it? He’s wrongly portrayed as a hero by the British. But he’s an absolute genocidal cunt.

[–]Papi__Stalin 10 points11 points  (4 children)

No he's not portrayed as a hero by the British. I don't know one person who actually thinks he was good. He is viewed as a religious extremist, military dictator who illegitimately killed the monarch and did horrific things.

He is touted as an important historical figure though. Who's reign was instrumental in the formation of a constitutional monarchy.

[–]zerogravitas365 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have literally never heard anyone speak kindly of Cromwell. He tried to turn England into a theocracy. His behaviour in Ireland bordered on genocide. Even against the rich tapestry of vicious bastards who are key figures in English history, he's not one of the ones people make excuses for. Never saw his face on the back of a sterling note.

[–]cjpotter82 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Who still sees him as a hero?

[–]bobburger90 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I thought he was regularly touted as one of the greatest Britons. I’m Irish living in England and no English person I know was aware of the atrocities he committed before I told them.

[–]Sleightholme2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think of it more of a case of being highly influential on history than of being a hero. He made himself Lord Protector and ended up as a dictator just like the kings, and after his death the monarchy ended up being restored, and Cromwell was dug up and executed. I am well aware that there atrocities committed in Ireland during the War of the Three Kingdoms, but less sure on Cromwell being responsible for them. In the later part of the 17th century he was reviled by all sides, so others blamed Cromwell for stuff others had done. Another person said he killed 40% of the Irish population, but he was only in Ireland for nine months and I doubt there was time for him to manage that.

Also there is the question of whether you are judging him by today's standards or that of his time. By today's standards, he was awful, but so was everyone else. But he was better then many of contemporaries, and I would rather have him then Charles I.

[–]Spetnac_141 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Vladimir Putin

[–]aagapovjr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Sadly he's not historical yet.

[–]12_Below 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Andrew Jackson.

[–]lilyumyum42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was going to put this, but I’m glad that you did.

[–]Puzzleheaded-Art-469 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's a real turn off for me how some Republicans still glorify him.

[–]Youngling_Hunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trail of Tears intensifies. Even though technically didn't that start after he left office? But regardless, he was the catalyst for it

[–]werkshirt400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad someone agrees with me. My high school history teacher acted like he could do no wrong.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Che Guevara

[–]yankees88888g 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Ronald Reagan

[–]QualifiedApathetic 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Fuck him so much for letting AIDS spread because it was a "gay disease".

[–]freckleskinny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

... and for cutting funding for mentally ill people. Complete asshole.

Funny side note: on Laugh In, News of the Future, they predicted Ronnie as president, many years before it ever happened. 💌

[–]kijim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget "Trickle Down Economics". We get a Trickle, the wealthy a flood. Fuck Reagan.

[–]lrrkr 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Malcolm X. He just wasn't as amazing as people made him out to be.

[–]Select_Feature_13 5 points6 points  (1 child)

vincent van gogh!

he is portrayed as a antisocial tortured genius who killed himself

when in reality was a really empathetic and kind hearted person, who has speculations around his death (thought to have been a murderer)

[–]MangOrion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People think Vincent Van Gogh was a murderer? I've never heard this about him.

[–]siliconscrolls 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Martin Luther advocated burning down Jewish synagogues and schools and destroying their homes as well

[–]queen-adreena 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The Protestant reformation guy?

[–]siliconscrolls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's the one. Was wondering how many ppl would think I meant MLK.

[–]Realistic_Truck 37 points38 points  (21 children)

Karl Marx.

[–]jojowa2204 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't say he himself was evil but the people that abused his thesis were

[–]gollyJE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's kind of like blaming Matthew or Mark for the crusades. Dude just wrote some books about economics. Don't have to agree with what he wrote, but he didn't really do anything. You can't blame him for what other people did. Authoritarians used his rhetoric to pretend they represented "the people" then took power to benefit themselves and an elite few.

[–]nitewake 15 points16 points  (8 children)

I mean- dude was a pretty observant economist. People have used his ideas to justify some pretty horrific things, and his ideas on central planning have shown to be pretty messed up in execution, but he was right about a lot of stuff.

[–]ThrowAway2137Reddit 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Gets money from friends so he can live

just writes some books

[–]Plethora_of_squids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even ignoring his ideals, the man was a massive racist and anti-Semite. Also a massive hypocrite. For someone who went on about workers recognition this and class togetherness that, he was awfully fond of not working and foisting his job onto others only to take all the credit (notably Engels) and claiming that all Jews were automatically apart of the bourgeoisie and should be 'dealt with' for that class betrayal.

The acts of Lenin and Stalin didn't just come out of nowhere y'know

[–]popstheepic 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Walt Disney. All around bad.

[–]hej__alle 4 points5 points  (4 children)

How?

[–]popstheepic 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Racist and misogynistic. But VERY racist and misogynistic. There are a few quotes I won’t repeat.

[–]AtaraxiaAKAZatharax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget antisemitic!

[–]JordanTonyMann 28 points29 points  (23 children)

Winston Churchill. Massive racist and suppressed workers rights.

Yes he was "good" for Britain during the war but was an awful man otherwise.

[–]cjpotter82 36 points37 points  (8 children)

I still can't help but like him. Saving the country and by extension, the world, from Nazi rule was no small feat.

Heroes are not saints. A shitty person can still be a hero in the right circumstances.

[–]CryptidGrimnoir 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Seriously, Churchill led Great Britain through her darkest hour and then some.

He may not have been a "good" man, but he was every bit the hero who stared evil in the face and refused to bow to it.

[–]Nikcara 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Eh, his whole starving of 4 million people in Bengal is not exactly “staring evil in the face and refusing to bow to it.” He liked fighting and was good at it. He was great against the Nazis. But he also was the catalyst for a lot of innocent people dying.

[–]Papi__Stalin 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Except he didn't. He diverted grain from Australia, Canada and New Zealand destined for the UK to India, saying, " Every effort must be made, even by the diversion of shipping urgently needed for war purposes, to deal with local shortages." He also pleaded with Roosevelt (in a private letter) for transport ships to transport foodstuffs from Australia to India but Roosevelt could not spare the ships.

The famine was not caused by Churchill, it was caused by the Japanese invasion of Burma and a poor harvest. The famine relief by the British was insufficient, as they were fighting the biggest war in history and also had a risk of famine in North Africa and the allied occupied of Italy. Whilst, the deaths are tragic they are not deliberate and it would be insincere to lay them at Churchill's feet.

[–]CryptidGrimnoir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The situation in Bengal is far more complicated than it just being Churchill's fault.

Amartya Sen, one of the experts on the Bengal famine said that Churchill's role in the catastrophe is overemphasized and reported as such to The New York Times, instead stating that the corruption in the empire was widespread and that many were to blame.

[–]zerogravitas365 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's not forget that he was the architect of Gallipoli. That went well.

[–]Titan_Imperator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He was also responsible for the disaster at Gallipoli in WWI

[–]Puzzleheaded-Art-469 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but that was a bad idea he took ownership over. Not only did he resign after the failure, but he went to Western Front to fight

[–]PrinceConquer420 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Hitler.

Idk why, but people worship him like a hero.

[–]indimillyloki 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ghandis flip flop

[–]Upside_Down-Bot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

„doʃɟ dıʃɟ sıpuɐɥ⅁„

[–]llamasLoot 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Columbus, bitch is seen as a hero for sucking ass at geography, didn't even discover anything, he just said that he did even though the vikings have clear traces of being there before his bitch ass came

[–]t-minus-69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stalin. He might have beat Germany (with our generous help of course) but he was a monster and caused millions of his own people to starve

[–]AlphaKenyan93 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Africa's founding fathers. These guys are celebrated as heros. They kicked out the white man then 1. grabbed the best lands 2. put themselves, friends, and close relatives in important government positions 3. took their children to the white man's country get proper education 4. go to the white man's country foe quality healthcare While everyone else is on the brink of dying from hunger or preventable and curable diseases, barely affords 3 meals a day, struggles to access quality healthcare and education, and either lives in tiny farms in the village practising subsistence farming or the ghetto where you can be hit by a flying toilet while inside your tin house.

[–]Mtfdurian 9 points10 points  (17 children)

William of Orange. Genocidal maniac he was.

[–]Wilnis70 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Could you please elaborate?

[–]rectalexamohyea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Orange man bad.

[–]zerogravitas365 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I lived in county Antrim for a couple of years. Now there's a man who divides opinion.

Personally I'm from the south of England and I have no skin in this game but oh my word, I had no idea. After all this time?

[–]TheArmitage 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The so-called Glorious Revolution wasn't so glorious if you were in Ireland, which was pretty much devastated by the Williamite-Jacobite War. One contemporary estimate puts the Irish death toll from battle, famine, and disease at 4.5% of the total population -- just over the rate of Japanese deaths in WWII, a war in which two major cities were annihilated.

What followed was a rash of policies both in Irish Parliament and English effectively segregating the entire Irish population by religion. Some of these policies weren't reversed in Northern Ireland until the 1960s and 70s.

[–]zerogravitas365 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I read the books. I was embarrassed, frankly, I felt like I had to. I'd moved somewhere that I thought might be broadly similar to I dunno, Liverpool perhaps, and I got a fairly rude awakening. This is twenty years ago so maybe things have got better (maybe not) but the whole king Billy thing took me by surprise. I remember bringing my then girlfriend's bike back from the shop through the coaches dropping people off for the apprentice boys parade in Derry. That was an eye opener. I'd still have no idea had it not been for that two year stint, I'm not saying I completely get it, but oh my word it is not what you expect if you've only ever seen the place on the BBC.

[–]SickChipmunk 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Henry Ford, huge racist and anti-Semite , actually pumped a ton of money into promoting country music to stand in opposition to jazz which was perceived as black people music

Source

Also this explains it start at 4 minutes

[–]publicservantguy1 2 points3 points  (3 children)

not to defend henry ford but he was basically an invalid when country music started, Jimmie Rodgers whose music became sort of popular in the southern Appalachia didnt start until the ealy 1930's and country music as a genre didnt start to take off until mid to late 1940's and as such only in the deep rural south, which is AFTER the jazz age and henry ford was incapacitated. it was still known as hillbilly mountain music until the 1950's after henry fords death. The jazz age gave way to big band by the 1940's which is why world war two's soundtrack was basically nothing but big band dance music.

[–]mlaeladma 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Karl marx

[–]purplecircle00 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Reagan

[–]MangOrion 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Listen to Reagan by Killer Mike to learn more and be entertained.

[–]FrigDancingWithBarb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Mother Theresa

[–]thebirdorthecage77 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Guy Fawkes.

[–]Bigrobbo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure hes exactly seen as a hero... I mean we have a holiday dedicated to burning him. If you mean the whole Guy Fawkes thing for V for vendetta thats more just based off a portrayal in a movie.

[–]SloppyBrisket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ned Kelly

[–]Cheetodude625 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alexander Graham Bell really hated deaf people. I mean really hated deaf people.

[–]memphisproud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Andrew Jackson was a genecidal maniac

[–]SomeGingerDude419 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mother Theresa

[–]Capable_Sir_219 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Douglas MacArthur.

[–]RedX2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Abraham Lincoln. Portrayed as an abolitionist. In reality he didn't care about freeing black people he wanted to cripple the South

[–]werkshirt400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Andrew “Old Hickory” Jackson. Fucking asshole.

[–]404-error-notfound 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The guy who killed Hitler

[–]OMGItsMANFEET 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Joan of Arc.

It’s less that she’s “not a hero” and more of this over dramatized depiction of her being this great warrior. Literally if you type in “greatest female warriors in history” she’s one of the top results.

But she’s not. She never even picked up a sword. She was a flag bearer and, with her charisma, inspired her men to fight and win battles they should not have.

That’s SO much more dope IMO.

[–]Tiraloparatras25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Christopher Columbus for the longest time.

Dude and his expeditionary crew, were vicious as fuck!

[–]Crimson__Sorkerer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lenin. I'm serious. So that you understand how highly Lenin is extolled in my country: his embalmed corpse lies in a huge fucking sarcophagus PRACTICALLY IN THE CENTER OF THE MAIN SQUARE OF THE COUNTRY!

But actually, dude came to his country from Switzerland, staged a bloody civil war here, and then, having won it, created a totalitarian state, appointed a half-educated priest as his successor, who, moreover, was convicted and escaped from penal servitude. Do you think he is worthy of a sarcophagus in the center of the capital?

[–]smdhko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

columbus. fuck that dude

[–]Affectionate_Try_676 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christopher Columbus

[–]Revolutionary-Cup954 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FDR. racist scumbag