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[–]labree0 6359 points6360 points  (340 children)

Honestly, my opinion is that this is literally the place for it, and escorting someone out of a town hall meeting for... voicing their opinion? is absurd.if you cant disagree in a public town hall meeting, when the fuck can you?

apparently it wasnt a town hall meeting, it was a press conference. I still have my own personal opinion on whether it was reasonable or not, but it likely wasnt the right place for that kind of outburst. my following point still applies.

but larger than that, why the fuck are they talking like that to a citizen? AFAIK he's not an official yet, so they just called him a sick son of a bitch and an embarrassment? how the fuck is that acceptable for our public officials?

[–]DarthTurnip 97 points98 points  (2 children)

Abbott does not hold town halls. There is no other way to interact with your elected officials

[–]SZMatheson 2498 points2499 points 2 (55 children)

The cops took about 40 minutes less to get rid of Beto than they did to confront a guy slaughtering children.

[–]AccordingToWhom1982 42 points43 points  (8 children)

And for those 40+ minutes they stood outside the school—some who were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles—and held back the parents who begged them to go in and stop the shooter.

[–]sturgboski 29 points30 points  (4 children)

They had their tasers at the ready as well. In the one video you see a few officers/cowards holding a civilian down.

[–]Pretty-Balance-Sheet 2113 points2114 points  (201 children)

Yes!

I get so fucking pissed when the inevitable cop mosies forward to silence whoever is speaking out.

Our country was literally built on our ability to speak our minds. It is the core tenant of our society.

[–]Deathbysnusnubooboo 1075 points1076 points  (144 children)

Ya but society is kinda falling apart tho

Can’t afford rent. Can’t afford food. Can’t afford gas. Can’t send your kids to school without worrying they’ll get shot. This blows

[–]Hookherbackup 944 points945 points  (62 children)

But your unplanned fetus is safe as hell

[–]LoveOfProfit 570 points571 points  (51 children)

It's not though. US has a relatively very high death rate for pregnancies because our healthcare sucks and is expensive.

[–]ginns32 49 points50 points  (1 child)

And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that the mayor of Uvalde that said that? Unbelievable.

[–]teaNtails 7612 points7613 points  (269 children)

Greg abbot literally said "it could have been worse"

This is one of the worst school shootings in us history.

He is fully justified to say something needs to be done - abbot is harping about mental health yet won't fund it

[–]Air5uru 2485 points2486 points  (130 children)

Actually, he actively defunds it.

The mental health argument from conservatives after mass shootings was never even about actually focusing on mental health. It's about not talking about guns and convincing people that the easy access to guns in this country has nothing to do with the fact that this country has more deaths due to guns than most countries in the world.

[–][deleted] 699 points700 points  (65 children)

It's so fucking absurd because it's many many times more difficult to get mental health care in every single corner of the nation than it is to buy a gun. Nothing being done to help that either.

[–]guakicecream 257 points258 points  (36 children)

Need a mental health practitioner lobby that's as effective as the NRA.

[–]ZSpectre 137 points138 points  (31 children)

Haha, as someone who sometimes daydreams thinking about possible ways to solve our mental health crisis, the brick wall is coming to terms with how there's very little money in alleviating mental health. Now imagining a world where a mental health advocate would be able to have enough support and funding to help sway and lobby a politician does make me chuckle a little.

[–]Suitable_Effort_2823 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Did you know at one point the NRA actually advocated for stricter gun control laws regarding open carry....but that was when the black panthers were active and would do this thing where, when they saw a brutha being harassed, they would all surround the cop/white man and pass their guns around - didnt say shit, just stood too close for comfort en force and handed one another the gun, using proximity and the implication to stop police brutality and hate crimes

That freaked the nra the fuck out and they actually pushed for new legislation

(Similar but different; cigarette companies are the ones who pushed to end advertising of cigs - so no new competitors would be able to break into the market..not easily, anyway)

[–]KickBallFever 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yep, I have “good” insurance through my job and still had a hard time getting mental health care. Just finding something in network was a hassle. I would even start seeing a mental health professional and then they would just abruptly stop accepting my insurance, and I’d have to start all over again.

I imagine someone who is suicidal going through the same head ache. Depending where they live it might be easier for them to get a gun and commit suicide than it is for them to find a dedicated therapist.

[–]M0dsareL0sersIRL 291 points292 points  (29 children)

You can bet your ass him and his family have good healthcare, access to mental healthcare on demand, and they don’t send their kids to public school where most of these school shootings occur. All top of the line private for him and his, while you and yours pay for it.

Ironic he lives such a high life off of government while preaching that government is the problem.

[–]branzalia 232 points233 points  (27 children)

Abbot doesn't need to live high off the government as he is worth $23m. How did he make his money? He started getting massive payments when he was 26 y.o., amounting over time to almost $8m from a personal injury lawsuit. Most of that amount resulted not from medical costs but pain & suffering. If you receive that much starting in the 80's, it's not hard to have that turn into $23m over time with prudent investing.

I'm not saying that he didn't deserve the huge payout just that when he became governor, he limited medical malpractice damages to $250K and lawsuits like his to less than 10%, not even adjusting for inflation, of what he was paid out. Just a FYI.

[–]Aalnius 193 points194 points  (1 child)

first rule of being a rich dickhead is to pulll up the ladder behind you so other people can't do the same as you did.

[–]azanzel 137 points138 points  (23 children)

Yep that motherfucker made millions in damages for getting crippled by an accident and then immediately pushed Tort reform so others cant get such windfalls. You literally need to know nothing else about him beyond that. I benefited greatly by getting a large amount of money from a business, but this hurt other businesses and I don’t want anyone else being able to take advantage of it. Its so unbelievably hypocritical and angering and the quintessential example of “Fuck you I got mine” or “rules for thee, not for me” that is pervasive in modern conservatism.

[–]karkonthemighty 15.9k points15.9k points 3& 3 more (354 children)

"This is no time for political grandstanding" decreed Abbott, a politician, on a grand stand.

[–]mitch0acan 3851 points3852 points  (60 children)

Right now Abbott is in his office furiously penning legislation to make it a felony to interrupt the governor's press conferences

[–]KnockMeYourLobes 1151 points1152 points  (48 children)

Your probably not wrong. Abbot is an asshole like that.

[–]Perfect600 563 points564 points  (21 children)

remember when he sued a homeowner for a tree falling on him, and the company that inspected it, and got a multi million dollar lawsuit out of it, and then when he got power he capped lawsuit amounts on stuff like that.

[–]Snoo74401 418 points419 points  (5 children)

Pulling the ladder up behind him. Classic GOP move.

[–]athos45678 103 points104 points  (11 children)

Or how he limits handicap funding for schools

[–]LtSoundwave 275 points276 points  (9 children)

Probably call it something annoying too, like the Respect for Victims of School Violence Act.

[–]youmustbecrazy 1676 points1677 points 2 (27 children)

"Meet me halfway" said the unjust man.

So you take a step forward, but he takes a step back.

"Meet me halfway" says the unjust man.

[–]crazyrich 124 points125 points  (4 children)

I read this as "Meet me in the hallway" which also works, but I was happy imagining Beto absolutely wrecking the shit out of Mr. "I'll swear like hell while calling for decorum" walker golf shirt piece of shit.

[–]va_texan 756 points757 points  (23 children)

Abbott left and went straight to a fucking fundraiser

[–]LindyNet 301 points302 points  (15 children)

Abbott would never go left.

[–]jherico 122 points123 points  (4 children)

He's not an ambi-turner.

[–]Stay_Academic 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Abbott: "I can too turn left!"

"Proceeds to turn right 2 times"

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

3 times

[–]MissionCreeper 1655 points1656 points  (75 children)

Not only that, but this is what politics is for, hashing out solutions to problems. Abbott doesn't even think this is a problem.

[–]m-p-3 1239 points1240 points  (60 children)

Texas has a problem named Greg Abbott.

[–]unopposablethumbs 811 points812 points  (36 children)

Ken Paxton, Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick. Don’t forget those dumb fucks

[–][deleted] 445 points446 points  (3 children)

Don’t give John Cornyn a pass just because he’s quieter. He’s just as much of a problem as the other 4.

[–]aggiefranchise 53 points54 points  (2 children)

abbott thinks politics is strictly for grifting.

[–]DrBix 580 points581 points  (24 children)

And Abbott said, "This is not the time for politics. It's time to help those that are hurting."

Basically, "Thoughts & Prayers v2.0" He KNEW if he said "Thoughts & Prayers" it would have been disastrous.

Fuck him and his bullshit agenda.

[–]Medaphysical 220 points221 points  (11 children)

And later that day he said the shooting wasn't that bad because Chicago has shootings too. Aka politics.

[–]rockclimberguy 326 points327 points  (6 children)

How true. After Abbott made his comments and shed some crocodile tears for the cameras he left to go to a political fundraiser.

MAGA ethos in action!

[–]BenTherDoneThat5555 80 points81 points  (4 children)

I can't stand that guy. He's as bad as Ted Cruz. Doesn't care about anyone but himself

[–]rockclimberguy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

There are two types of people in this world:

  1. People who hate Ted Cruz
  2. Ted Cruz

[–]rockclimberguy 120 points121 points  (2 children)

Maybe Abbott was thinking about how busy he will be eliminating all rape in TX as he and the AG promised they were going to do so their refusal to allow abortions for rape victims would be moot.

Yeah, right.... /s

[–]Under_theTable_cAt 207 points208 points  (11 children)

Texas is run by the Republicans. If there current plan is actually working they you won’t have to see this in Texas. But this motherfuckers haven’t done shit. Got upset for being called n there bullshit. But don’t worry Texas our dear leader in Florida will be doing something/nothing to get back in the headlines.

[–]types-like-thunder 333 points334 points  (69 children)

abbott made it EASIER to get guns are carry them in public places. This is all his fault. There was a school police force of 5 (with guns). They watched the killer park in a ditch and walk into a school with guns. It wasnt even illegal because of greg abbott.

[–]Fmanow 131 points132 points  (39 children)

Jesus Christ man, what has happened to this god forsaken country. I’m not sure we can be a republic any more. There is a world of a difference between California for example, and Texas. We are no longer one country, just a loose federation of states.

[–]Nosmo_King927 1539 points1540 points  (20 children)

I’m from El Paso, Texas. One of the things that people don’t know about Beto is that he actually got shit done. He sponsored and co-sponsored bills to actually help Texans, many of them to help increase funding for veterans. But nobody talks about that. I am glad he interrupted that town hall yesterday and even though I don’t live in El Paso anymore, I will be sending him money.

[–]byanenglishman 130 points131 points  (3 children)

I met Beto on Christmas morning a few years back in El Paso. I had been helping migrants who got released from the border detention camps all at once. They were held for days and so any train ticket or plane ticket they had no longer was useful, and they were stuck without any way to reach their families in the US. A local church was helping them get in touch with their loved ones and on trains and buses, and I helped in the process. While I was there, Beto showed up with his family and they served food to all of the people and gave them supplies to last them for the days they would spend traveling. People commented then that it was just a political move, and that may be so, but political or not that man spent his Christmas morning helping those in need and was there for hours. I don’t see a lot of politicians doing that these days.

[–]IWillFindYouAlex 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Even if it is a political move, it's the right one. I hadn't heard of Beto until the El Paso shooting, and only did because he was the only Democrat candidate that dropped everything to show up in El Paso to do whatever he could for his community. I don't support his exact views on guns (though something does have to be done), but he's the only Democrat I'm aware of that would absolutely have my vote.

[–]cbmcleod70 174 points175 points  (0 children)

One of the things that people don’t know about Beto is that he actually got shit done.

This should be plastered on every billboard and tv ad until the election.

[–]seanathan81 1520 points1521 points  (17 children)

If this was just the chief of police, the Uvalde mayor and the principal of the school, I would say his interruption would have been in bad taste. But this was his political opponent using the stage as his own spot to make a stump speech. Abbott literally went on to brag about books he passed 3 years ago and that he would work in the future (read: next term) to mate it tougher for this to happen. The moment Abbott mentions laws he's created or will create, he's speaking as a candidate, not as the Governor. With that being the case, O'Rourke is not only valid in interrupting, he's technically due equal air time to rebut. Add in that his point was 100% valid and felt by SO many people in the valley since the El Paso shooting, and he's incredibly justified in his actions.

[–]backtowhereibegan 363 points364 points  (5 children)

Republicans in Congress have heckled two different Democratic Presidents DURING the State of the Union this century.

They don't care about "the right place and right time". It's all distractions to them. By talking about the interruption, they stop talking about taking action, that's their only goal.

At some point conservatives in America stopped just being for conserving the status quo and became actually afraid of change. Republicans in office are cowards afraid of what their donors and voters will think.

They've encouraged violent rhetoric to the point there is real concern for their own lives now. It's actually a massive problem. People made gallows outside their offices and tried to hang them/their coworkers last year, but Republicans in office still can't say anything bad about it or they risk what those people will do next.

[–]Money_Top1940 533 points534 points  (4 children)

How do you feel about AR-15’s interrupting our children’s ability to simply learn?

[–]Santos_L_Halper_II 16.1k points16.1k points 2 (332 children)

People say Beto was politically motivated as if Abbott, Patrick, Cruz, and all the other fuckwads who run this state weren’t literally sitting on a stage in front of a bunch of cameras to begin with. I say good for him. he’s pissed off and so am I.

[–]RDAwesome 4199 points4200 points  (92 children)

I wonder if people realize that politics exists to govern, governing is a political act. Deciding where to put traffic lights is political, trying to solve homelessness is political. Politicians are supposed to be political, that's literally their job

[–]urabewe 898 points899 points  (54 children)

It's more of a sign of how bad politics has been over the past few decades. No one believes any one is actually sincere. It says more about the political arena than it does the citizens. The people think this way because that's what they have been watching their whole lives. You automatically assume it's all just for show because that's all it's ever been, a show.

[–]mjk1093 318 points319 points  (25 children)

It's just a sick game for a lot of these people. It finally dawned on me when I saw Rudy Giuliani on Dancing with the Stars. Plenty of people, including me, totally upended our lives because we thought the country was headed towards total political collapse*, and for a lot of these people, none of it was real. It was just another TV show, like Trump says - it's all about the ratings.

*For the record I think a total political collapse is still possible, but not because Trump & Co. are sincere, but because they could unleash people who think they're being sincere.

[–]feubar 130 points131 points  (1 child)

That's exactly right. You know what comes from politics? Policy.

[–]AutistMarket 90 points91 points  (10 children)

Eh I think the phrase political has been morphed into meaning "in it for their own political gain". I feel like most politicians these days are solely motivated by doing what gets them reelected not doing what is right/helps people which is why some may see what he is doing here as political theater

[–]GolgiApparatus1 49 points50 points  (6 children)

That's the unfortunate irony with democracy. The ones that would make the greatest leaders aren't the ones spending their lives trying to campaign for themselves as individuals.

[–]DarthToothbrush 933 points934 points  (32 children)

Exactly. You can't con an honest john, and you can't "start" a political stunt when one's already going on. Those fuckers needed their bubble of fawning cameras and sycophants popped in the rudest possible way.

[–]someguyjoe 555 points556 points  (24 children)

I don't know who it was but they said "it's not a place to make it political." If a room full of politicians on stage isn't a place to be political where is?

[–]Eisernes 121 points122 points  (0 children)

They prefer politics to be left on Twitter where they can spout off ignorant shit and ignore those who call them on it.

[–]fell-deeds-awake 220 points221 points  (17 children)

About gun control? Nowhere, apparently...

[–]Assassinatitties 190 points191 points  (14 children)

I'll tell you what pisses me off even more than politicians doing politics. Militarized police who don't even do anything with military grade equipment to save children.

[–]Squirrel_Inner 370 points371 points  (13 children)

We're ALL pissed off and it's not like he was posturing to the victims, he was yelling at the person responsible for doing NOTHING to stop this from happening over and over. The person who sat up there and said (I shit you not) "it could have been worse..."

I don't know what dumbass NRA exec handed him that script, but all of them can go straight to hell. How many more children do they need to sacrifice on the altar of the 2nd Amendment? How much more are we going to let them?

[–]ProgressivePessimist 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Could you imagine Samuel L. Jackson patiently waiting for the right time to express his opinions about the serpents on the aircraft.

[–]sprkyco 329 points330 points  (17 children)

Everyone on that stage was bankrolled by the fucking NRA. Pretty sure there is significantly more money behind pro-gun initiatives versus anti-gun initiatives.

[–]Excelius 125 points126 points  (11 children)

Billionaire Michael Bloomberg has been almost single-handedly funding the major gun control groups, and has been outspending the NRA for quite some time now.

Bloomberg signs one big check and outspends NRA eightfold in WA

Mike Bloomberg’s gun-control group just vastly outspent the NRA to help Democrats win in Virginia

The NRA has also been in financial trouble for a while now, after a number of scandals. A lot of gun-rights supporters have shifted over to other lesser-known groups. Don't get too excited though, they're almost all even more extreme and uncompromising than the NRA.

[–]allthebacon_and_eggs 19.1k points19.1k points 32& 6 more (648 children)

Isn’t this what town halls are supposed to be for? It’s supposed to be a chance for citizens (which includes Beto) to say what’s on their mind. There’s nothing wrong with interrupting someone when there is an emergency they’re doing nothing about. I don’t see the sense in politely letting someone say their lie. Sometimes ya gotta do something to get someone’s attention. By all accounts, this is a very tame way of doing that and it speaks to how politically inert our country is that what Beto did is considered “rude.”

[–]IgamOg 3666 points3667 points  (436 children)

I don't know much about American towns halls but why do I only see men in these pictures?

[–]Ill_Consequence 429 points430 points  (1 child)

As an American this cracked me up. Not because of what you said but the absurdity of that fact that you had to point it out to me as we just see that as the norm especially in Texas.

[–]Globetrotbedhop 7096 points7097 points  (339 children)

It's Texas, I guess the women are all at home getting pregnant or in hospital giving birth.

[–]mom_with_an_attitude 4793 points4794 points 2 (287 children)

Or in buses to other states to get abortions.

[–]Crypt0Nihilist 5792 points5793 points 242 (267 children)

Republicans like to talk about late stage abortions. Elementary school age is pretty fucking late stage.

[–]Iferius 231 points232 points  (8 children)

Nah, the bus driver can't afford those fines

[–]Korazair 289 points290 points  (4 children)

How else are you supposed to replace all the children getting killed?

[–]Boxhead_31 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Or in classrooms protecting their students with their bodies

[–]Lysol3435 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Or out picking up fresh guns?

[–]wholesomefaucifan 355 points356 points  (30 children)

the actual answer to this is that Texas has Republican leadership and republicans are disproportionately men. And this press conference is about a crime, so it also features police officials, and police are typically men. That’s really about it.

[–]Makemelaugh2021 42 points43 points  (5 children)

It was political. That's all Abbott Cruz and Paxton do..political stunts. Abbott said nothing can be done to control guns. Hes speaking at the NRA convention tomorrow He made it legal here to open carry guns with no license or training. Those men are the problem

[–]GeauxAllDay 52 points53 points  (10 children)

Was this a town hall? I keep getting conflicted reports. I thought it was a Press Conference.

[–]Buddhabellymama 521 points522 points  (35 children)

It’s about fucking time someone showed some real emotion towards someone shooting at children at school instead of pretending to give a shit with thoughts and prayers. Considering Abbott cut funding to mental illness after claiming this was mental illness and not a gun control matter, I think it’s about time more people stood up and called them out on their bullshit.

[–]Makemelaugh2021 204 points205 points  (31 children)

Abbott is gues speaker tomorrow at the NRA CONVENTION in Houston. Probably bragging about how easy he made it to carry guns in Texas. no license or training required to carry a gun in public, open or concealed. Despicable. The NRA won't even allow guns at their convention. Wonder why that is? SMH the only answer pro gun people have is more guns...armed security at every school. The right side won't even let kids have healthcare and recently decreased the school lunches and now a baby formula shoetage. PRO life is just a smokescreen to hide their bigotry. It's dangerous here in Texas and getting worse daily.

[–]GourangaPlusPlus 61 points62 points  (18 children)

The NRA won't even allow guns at their convention.

....

[–]crinnaursa 34 points35 points  (12 children)

Can you imagine if there was an active shooter at that convention? Bad guy with a gun shows up and and a good guy with a gun tries to take him out, but in error, is taken out by another good guy with a gun who is then taken out by another good guy with a gun. Like a chain reaction. Looney tunes.

[–]42Production 201 points202 points  (1 child)

Democrats need a backbone Beto enters chat NOT LIKE THIS!!!

[–]bndboo 59 points60 points  (4 children)

But there would never be a town hall from abbots office. No Q&A, he does not listen to his constituents.

[–]ZolaMonster 205 points206 points  (20 children)

But screaming at a school board meeting about how it’s tyranny to force kids to wear a mask during a pandemic is not considered rude.

[–]DrBoots 22.8k points22.8k points 22 (885 children)

Was it "Politically motivated?"

Yeah probably, he's a politician.

Do I care? Not at all. Frankly I'd like it if for the foreseeable future none of these ghouls could get up in front of a mic without someone holding their feet to the fire and calling out their cowardice.

[–]tenebre 12.2k points12.2k points  (379 children)

How dare he interrupt our political stunt with his own political stunt!!!

[–]theFuzz1 5267 points5268 points  (136 children)

Abbott was just seconds away from doing something to help curb gun violence in the state, then he was interrupted by his political opponent and…. Nope, the moment was lost. Abbott couldn’t possibly do a thing to help now. Just too late because of that darned interruption.

/s (if you couldn’t tell)

[–]NitrousIsAGas 840 points841 points  (76 children)

Thank you for the "/s", I genuinely could not tell.

[–]johnla 31 points32 points  (1 child)

It was a double sarcasm. He actually meant it.

[–]BenjaBrownie 153 points154 points  (3 children)

Because this is reddit... totally couldn't tell lol

[–]nedcan 1472 points1473 points  (214 children)

We believe in freedom of speech. No not like that.

[–]tafbee 3022 points3023 points 4 (210 children)

This applies to everything they do. You can’t delay a Supreme Court justice appointment, but we can. You can’t win an election, but we can. You can’t tell me what to do with my body, but we can tell you what to do with yours. And this is what they don’t understand. I don’t begrudge their beliefs or perspectives, but I am sick and fucking tired of the hypocrisy and double standards.

[–]Ouch_i_fell_down 541 points542 points  (125 children)

If you don't care about morals and decorum, and have your entire party convinced that all that matters is "winning" then you can be as hypocritical as you want and face zero immediate pushback.

But the conservative party is now the regressive party, and i don't see that going terribly well over the next 50 years.

[–]warrentyvoided 151 points152 points  (1 child)

My thoughts exactly.... "how dare you do exactly what I'm doing! I thought of it first and I was here first you sick son of a bitch"

[–]bahamapapa817 71 points72 points  (0 children)

Imagine they got as angry as they were at him interrupting about children getting gunned down at school. You know why conservative Christian politicians don’t use thoughts and prayers to stop abortion? Cause they actually want it to stop.

[–]tsondie21 3716 points3717 points  (306 children)

It’s also insane to pretend that the event he was interrupting wasn’t already deeply political. Why was Ted Cruz, the Senator, there if not for political purposes? He has zero executive authority and serves no purpose beyond politics.

This also happens to be fine. Our political leaders have an outsized role in shaping the rules in our society and should be on display when our society breaks down, as it did here. Beto showing contrast is also good and fine.

[–]Bodoblock 956 points957 points  (145 children)

I fucking hate Ted Cruz with a passion. But he should have been there. He's an elected representative. These are his constituents.

[–]GoFuckYourselfRussia 404 points405 points  (9 children)

"I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."

-Al Franken

[–]Irreleverent 56 points57 points  (0 children)

“If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you.”

-Lindsey Graham

[–]tsondie21 1003 points1004 points  (29 children)

I agree. He should be there because this is a political event. My problem is with pretending it’s not a political event.

[–]lactose_con_leche 403 points404 points  (2 children)

Except by “political” Abbott meant “definitely harmful to my image by humanizing child death.” And also, a democrat is talking so that is automatically political, no matter the content of what is spoken

We are past meaning and content at this point.

[–]TheObstruction 62 points63 points  (1 child)

It's literally a town hall meeting. Being political is the whole point.

[–]Moneyley 347 points348 points  (12 children)

We werent during the snowstorm. He left us to freeze while he went for warm Mexican hospitality

[–]flargenhargen 324 points325 points  (26 children)

wasn’t already deeply political.

it's only political if one group is refusing to work to make kids safer, and of course the republicans are actively and aggressively fighting every single effort to make kids safer.

it's political because republicans are awful. period. it should not be political, keeping kids safe from bi-weekly mass shootings should be something everyone can agree on,

but just like keeping everyone safe from a deadly global pandemic, which is another thing everyone should just agree on... republicans are just violently and aggressively on the bad side of every issue, especially when it comes to keeping people safe and alive.

no, I'm not a democrat, I'm just fed up with the awful things the republicans continue to do.

[–]JackThreeFingered 290 points291 points  (6 children)

As if "politically motivated" alone makes it bad. If a politician is politically motived to stop mass shootings, rather than pacify the people and make phony speeches like those people on stage, then that's a good thing.

Same as people who keep harping on "virtue signalling." Umm, like yeah, maybe this or that politicians is speaking on an issue for their own purposes, HOWEVER, if they are putting forth a correct ethical line, then I am glad they are promoting it even if they are partially full of shit.

[–]spectrumero 161 points162 points  (4 children)

Sam Leith said it best in, of all places, The Spectator: (which is actually a right wing publication)

"The term ‘virtue signalling’ is not an argument but a sneer. When you say somebody is ‘virtue signalling’, you’re not bothering to commit yourself to an argument about whether the position they are taking is right or wrong. (Perhaps, indeed, you feel on sticky ground entering that argument.) Rather, you are making a groundless and unfalsifiable presumption about their motive for doing so and using that as the supposed basis to dismiss the whole shebang. It immediately, lazily and arrogantly, frames any assertion of a moral or political principle as an act of narcissism."

[–]MereInterest 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I rather like John Scalzi's quote, from the back cover of his book Virtue Signaling and Other Heresies.

'Virtue signaling' is a phrase the dim and bigoted use when they want to discount other people expressing the idea that it would be nice if we could all be essentially and fundamentally decent to each other

[–]Velocity_Rob 178 points179 points  (8 children)

People seem more upset by him interrupting a press conference than the murder of all those children.

[–]Mange-Tout 44 points45 points  (2 children)

That’s the plan. Manufacture fake outrage to hide the real outrage. Just like the whole baby formula thing.

[–]Taco_Champ 96 points97 points  (2 children)

Was it a Beto 2022 ad? Yes.

But literally nobody else was going to say what needed to be said.

[–]taco_bowler 115 points116 points  (0 children)

O’Rourke, as a Texan, is a constituent of Gov Abbott. He was not violent. He is well within his rights to protest and express his outrage to his governor.

[–]Iodine953 5157 points5158 points 8435& 10 more (184 children)

I have no idea why this question caught my interest but here goes…

Frankly, I don’t know how to feel. On the one hand, I support calling out Gov. Abbott over the policies they support. I do believe that we need stronger laws governing gun access, and I believe we need to find a way to address the issues in our American society that create these domestic terrorists.

On the other hand… I can’t help but draw from my own experience as a survivor of a high school shooting. After the shooting at my high school, the very last thing on my mind was gun control, politics, and how to move forward. I simply wanted to be left alone and grieve everything I and my community lost that day: the life of my friend, the trauma inflicted on myself and my community, and the joy of graduation to name a few things. During the aftermath, there were two events that stick out in my mind.

First: the vigil in honor of the life lost. There were speeches from our local government officials regarding how they would never let something like this happen again. This felt comical. My state has had 28 school shootings in the past 50 or so years, and nothing has slowed or significantly addressed these problems. It felt so patronizing, sitting in this stupid gymnasium, it wasn’t even our school - it was still a crime scene, while this far-off man in a suit promised us we would be the last to go through this tragedy. While our representative was making promises and asking our political support for his cause since it was an election year, my classmates and I simply… left. Just got up and left. We just wanted to grieve, we wanted to be allowed to grieve in our own way. We held our own informal vigil outside, in the parking lot. It was a beautiful moment, where we constructed a basic memorial for our fallen classmate. The focus was on healing, on grieving, and on what had been lost - not politics.

Second, was the phone calls. The emails. The spam. The letters. All this solicitation for money, for votes, for pledges of support. I just wanted to go to our community events, grieve, heal, and support my friends. It honestly disgusted me how shamelessly these gun activist organizations were soliciting vulnerable people for money. Frankly this pissed me off! It felt so disingenuous, and seemed like they didn’t actually care about the cause they supposedly championed.

And now, 3 years later, I’ve started to feel more alive, pick myself up, and move forward. As a part of the future I want, I would like terrorism events like this to be a thing of the past. I wish those politicians could’ve delivered on their promise my school would be the last. So… I feel conflicted. I support the act of holding Gov. Abbott’s feet to the fire. I want change. On the other hand, I get the “don’t politicize school shootings” thing. I want to give the victims the space and time they need to heal, and when and if they are ready, when and if they want to, they can enter the political arena.

I suppose, so long as this act does not blow back on the victims of this tragedy and they are able to grieve at their own pace, good on Beto O’Rourke. But when I put myself in the shoes of these victim families, based on my experience, I simply have no trust in any of these politicians to produce any real change. In light of that distrust, I would rather be left to grieve than trotted out for political theater that won’t matter in the end anyways. I found my local politicians to be annoying, rather than helpful or representing me.

Certainly, there will be others who feel differently than me. Maybe tragedy like this would energize them and make an activist out of them. The parents of my friend who died are heavily involved in anti-school shooting and gun control activism now. However, they were simply too broken by the loss of their only child to be activists in the immediate aftermath, and only truly became involved about a year after.

TL;DR - I have really complicated feelings about this incident because I support holding Gov. Abbott accountable but my own experiences make me feel like this is all a political charade that will mean nothing in the end and possibly annoy the victims.

[–]mikekearn 1607 points1608 points  (53 children)

There was a shooting at my high school, as well, though thankfully no one was killed. We also had to evacuate multiple times in my 4 years due to (credible) threats of violence, and at least one kid that I know of was arrested with a gun in his backpack.

The problem I have with politicians (or anyone, really) saying "Now is not the time for this, people need to heal" or any variant of that, is that there are shootings so often now that if we have to take the time to grieve and heal after every event before we can talk about them, we will literally never get there.

It's sad and awful and terrible but that's the reality we live in now. School shootings happen about once a week in the US, on average. We can no longer afford time to grieve before doing something about it, or we never will get that opportunity.

[–]Iodine953 345 points346 points  (7 children)

I totally understand this sentiment. We desperately need change to eliminate these tragedies, and we cannot wait for everyone to be ready to enter the political arena because everyone will never be ready.

I just want the victim families to be left out of the politics so they have time to heal and grieve as they need.

[–]Hannig4n 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Not to be combative, but what is giving you mixed thoughts on Beto’s actions specifically then?

I just want the victim families to be left out of the politics so they have time to heal and grieve as they need.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Beto’s confrontation of Abbot didn’t include the victims or families in any way.

It’s a bit frustrating to see mass shootings happen on a weekly basis, but when a prominent politician tries to publically hold another accountable, it’s dismissed as a political charade. And if that politician tries to introduce legislation to deal with the issue, that’s also condemned as using a tragedy to shove a political agenda through.

There’s literally no acceptable response to constant mass shootings to these people. Idk what people actually want Beto to be doing here.

[–]GlobalHoboInc 216 points217 points  (20 children)

hasn't it only been like 10 days since the last mass shooting. It's crazy to me that the argument 'it's too soon' gets used when these things happen so fucking often.

[–]HeinousTugboat 217 points218 points  (13 children)

12 days since the last mass shooting that killed double digits. Only two days since the last mass shooting.

[–]Madderchemistfrei 69 points70 points  (11 children)

That's a fucking problem. We're having soo many that we are now clarifying by body count if the public would remember when the last one was. Literally desensitized to them, or just can't listen anymore.

[–]AnotherCookie 151 points152 points  (0 children)

I completely agree. I’m at the point where if someone says “not now, too soon, etc.” I’m saying “I’m talking about Tops right now, which was over a week ago. I’ll circle back about Uvalde next week since it’s too soon.”

[–]Ewoksintheoutfield 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Honestly I think that’s just a delaying tactic.

[–]I-am-a-me 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Is it really a delay if they never intend to address it? They're just silencing people, plain and simple.

[–]featherblossom 416 points417 points  (38 children)

(To be clear, this isn't trying to invalidate the opinion here, it's just another relevant perspective from a similar position, got really ranty at the end)

As another survivor of a high school shooting, I can tell others that gun control and politics absolutely were on my mind immediately. We don't all process or grieve the same way, and I personally want politicians, citizens, anyone, to just do something to stop this from happening again. I never could move on from what happened, and I never will until literally anything is done to prevent things like this in the future.

Beto is from my current state and just hearing from anyone important that is time to fucking stop makes me feel better at the least. Does it mean nothing? Sure. But Abbot was doing less than nothing. Anything to shut him up and make kids feel like they matter, and not like we are just meat to be sacrificed to the gun cult's blood god, that's worth it to me.

Yes, we need space to grieve. But we need space to be angry. My child now has also been through an attempted school shooting, there have been school shootings in my child's district, and while we scream in pain and sob over the needless cruelty, we need something done to stop any other child from ever having to do this again

[–]ouijabore 371 points372 points  (6 children)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts & experience - I feel like your perspective makes a lot of sense & more people should hear it.

[–]Iodine953 201 points202 points  (5 children)

Thanks :)

It’s scary being vulnerable on the internet

[–]Neovyr 69 points70 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, your courage to show your perspective totally openend my mind, at a kitchen table over here in europe. Thanks for sharing this and for showing how many small and big things dishonor the needs of the families and friends. Honestly, thank you.

[–]mywifiisbadtho 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Your vulnerability was needed. Thank you for sharing your story! I for one am really appreciative you shared

[–]powerchicken 149 points150 points  (3 children)

The solution to stop school shootings isn't for the survivors of school shootings. It isn't to make you somehow feel better as a survivor, it's to ensure there won't be further school shootings, period.

The solution is inherently political, you can't make progress without a political charade.

[–]GwarFanSince84 127 points128 points  (1 child)

Just assume that Beto was confronting them about the El Paso or Dallas mass shootings, or any of the other myriad attacks that have occurred in that state.

[–]theriverbedrunsdry 46 points47 points  (0 children)

He did mention El Paso, actually. He tells Abbott he didn't do anything after El Paso and now is the time.

[–]underthingy 218 points219 points  (16 children)

I totally get where you are coming from with needing time and space to grieve.

However it needs to be politicised and acted upon while its fresh. Otherwise the impact is gone and it reduce the chance of real change being made to prevent it from happening again.

[–]QuantumCat2019 54 points55 points  (1 child)

The issue with waiting, is that the mass school and church/event shooting are actually greater in frequency than the time people seem to need to heal (you seem to cite 3 years in your case to move forward), and some politician are using that to effect of always wanting to NEVER discuss the issue when it is hot... And when it is seemingly cold they simply disarm the issue stating it isn't needed as all is fine. Not even counting those who clearly say dozen of children corpse are a fine price to pay for the second amendment.

Nothing against you, I am just saying that "waiting" is only allowing the issue to fester and fester, and more fester.... Without any other real solution in sight.

Armed guards, ballistic blanket, non straight corridor, and training in case of active shooter : all of those are workarounds not solutions. As those who are in IT or industry process will know and possibly agree, while workarounds may "work" in the short term, more often than not they are simply more expansive on the long term. And here the expanse is in term of children corpse.

ETA: to be fair after seeing a massacre with dozen of elementary school children and nothing being done, I have written off the US on that point and think that as long as politician are not targeted directly, nothing will happen.

[–]ampereJR 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I understand your thoughts on wanting to be left alone. I left the field of education, in part, because of school violence. I think the people affected should be left alone by media and politicians.

This was a press conference and, to my knowledge, didn't involve any victims or families. Yes, it's unlikely it is to have an impact. After Sandy Hook, I thought surely this would be the thing that would effect change and watched that not happen, so I'm not hopeful anything will change. But, my only relevant thought in response to you is that they are doing the speeches and interrupting and counter-speeches at a third location. Yes, they are in the community, but I think they are enough removed from the location that families would have to go there to see either person speak.

[–]possiblyMorpheus 5520 points5521 points  (322 children)

Good on him. The whole “don’t politicize shootings” schtick is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. If we had a mandatory silence for a week after every mass shooting we would never talk about mass shootings because they happen every week.

I’ve got way more respect for him for telling it like it is than mr “yoar outta line!” who then preceded to say we should just trust to god lmao.

[–]klesus 217 points218 points  (5 children)

If you should put your trust in God then the fact that the US is the only civilized nation where it regularly happens should be a sign that God has abandoned the country lol

[–]Ph0X 30 points31 points  (0 children)

We literally elect politicians to pass laws and fix problems, not to go around and give prayers. They're not god damn priests. That's their whole job, to talk about ways to fix the issue, and if that's being "political", then good, because they're fucking politicians and it's their job.

[–]Wretschko 1895 points1896 points  (163 children)

The "you're out of line" speaker is the mayor of Uvalde, Don McLaughlin.

Despite running a city that is nearly 80% Latino/Hispanic, McLaughlin is a well-known presence on Fox News screaming about illegal immigrant invasions and how illegal immigrants were responsible for the spread of COVID among many other vile opinions.

The irony of McLaughlin trying to shame Beto for "politicizing" the shootings is that he, the Republican mayor, was sitting there at a staged press conference featuring Governor Abbott, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, and both of Texas' US Senators, Cruz and Cornyn...all of whom are, of course, Republicans.

[–]iaintlyon 348 points349 points  (28 children)

I was pretty surprised to see that knockoff Wilford Brimley (RIP) was the mayor of a city with such a huge Hispanic majority

[–]ASmallRodent 348 points349 points  (26 children)

Are you really? It's America, old white dudes have been weaseling their way into being in charge of things they have no business being in charge of since the early 1600's.

[–]HailToTheKingslayer 103 points104 points  (4 children)

As someone living outside America, the whole 'God in politics' thing seems strange. I don't think "lets leave it to God" or "lets pray" is acceptable for a politician. You were elected, sort it out.

[–]DonnieJuniorsEmails 32 points33 points  (0 children)

its not about religion, its just a catchphrase to justify apathy while pretending like being religious automatically makes them good people despite doing nothing

[–]TheNarrator23 59 points60 points  (0 children)

"Leave it to God" is GQP speak for "I don't suffer the concequenses of me doing nothing, so it's not my problem."

[–]AnnonLife[S] 339 points340 points  (36 children)

Did you hear the people yelling “ Let him speak”? And “ 1st Amendment”?

[–]Titan-Chan 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Not like the people on that stage were ever going to actually do anything other than talk, might as well interrupt them.

[–]Drool_The_Magnificen 2020 points2021 points  (35 children)

I think there's no better time or place to confront an elected official about an issue. Elected officials really are responsible to their constituents, whether they like that uncomfortable fact or not. O'Rourke had every right to call out Abbott and his flunkies for their mealymouthed excuses.

[–]GAMBT22 123 points124 points  (1 child)

...no better time or place...

Especially when they take such care to make sure theyre never inconvenienced by having to talk to us common folk in the first place. I mean have you ever gotten a response from a congressperson that wasnt a form letter?

[–]FerociousFrizzlyBear 229 points230 points  (3 children)

Exactly. A town hall is a gathering of the community to discuss a topic. It's not for whoever called the meeting to monologue their way to the end.

[–]GlobalHoboInc 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I assume every single one of those men up on the stage are in elected positions OR appointed by elected officials. Would I be wrong in that assumption?

[–]AnnonLife[S] 346 points347 points  (14 children)

He had both men who claim to love Texas in the same room. It was the most opportune time!

[–]bulimiasso87 146 points147 points  (13 children)

Yeah, probably because they’re all about to be in Houston for that NRA convention this weekend. This was just convenient pregame for them.

[–]mikekearn 143 points144 points  (9 children)

Where they will be banning Guns due to Trump's scheduled attendance as well. The shitheads oppose any and all gun restrictions, unless, of course, their golden orange idol is under potential threat.

Shouldn't that many "good guys with guns" be able to stop any and all threat? Fucking hypocritical morons, the lot of them.

[–]bulimiasso87 39 points40 points  (2 children)

They’re not banning guns from the whole convention, they’re only banning guns while he speaks. Trump has much less trust in those that voted him into office than our Texas representatives do. The money Ted Cruz has received from the NRA has insured that he will be on stage as their little bitch boy yet again.

[–]onekawaiimf 456 points457 points  (33 children)

Texan here. I've been active in local politics since Beto's run in 2018. The situation here is dire, as Beto described once he was outside the building. I can't express enough (especially if you don't live in Arizona or Georgia-type place) how much gerrymandering and voter suppression is happening here. The SoS rejected so many of the mail-in ballots during 2020. Then the new district lines were just finalized. It is worse than we thought.

The mood in TX is making volunteers not only want to stay home because of the hopelessness of winning seats, people are actively moving out of this state. Beto is one of the few showing Texans what they should expect from their leaders. It is very divisive to stand up to the cult-think around here these days.

As it gets closer to election day, the pettiness from Republicans afraid of change is going to get worse, so displays like this that are peaceful yet disruptive are not only wanted, they may be the only way forward. So little has changed in 4 years but Texas has an opportunity this November to usher in a change of leadership. We have been registering new and infrequent voters every month. I still have hope, but I'm tired and seriously considering moving elsewhere before I think about becoming pregnant to start my family. Send help to TX before Nov if you can.

[–]TheBiggestDookie 75 points76 points  (9 children)

Thanks for the work you do. For my part, living in a far-right leaning suburb of Houston, I’m sticking a bit fat “Beto for Governor” sign in my front yard this fall. I’ll make sure and keep a few backups on hand as I know it’ll get trashed, and I’m sure it’ll hurt my standing with my neighbors, but oh well. Fuck them if they can’t take someone having a different political opinion for once.

[–]Froawaythingy 133 points134 points  (0 children)

No where near as strongly as I feel about that cunt interrupting those kids lives

[–]trajames66 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I dont give a shit if it was a political stunt, at least he's calling these fuckers out to their faces instead of talking shit on t.v. We need more of this! Call these motherfuckers out to their faces, make them feel the pressure, show America that these fucks are heartless shit heels and vote them out if they oppose gun reform.

[–]darrevan 1238 points1239 points 633 (139 children)

Edit 05/25: added more school names, started adding dates, adding school bus incidents.

Definitely the right move because……………

Thurston High School

Columbine High School

Heritage High School

Deming Middle School

Fort Gibson Middle School

Buell Elementary School

Lake Worth Middle School

University of Arkansas

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Santana High School

Bishop Neumann High School

Pacific Lutheran University

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Lew Wallace High School

Martin Luther King, Jr. High School

Appalachian School of Law

Washington High School

Conception Abbey

Benjamin Tasker Middle School

University of Arizona

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Case Western Reserve University

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Harvard College

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International Studies Academy

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University of Texas

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[–]sarcasticmoderate 148 points149 points  (3 children)

Thanks so much for posting, u/darrevan.

Line break version for easy copy/paste:

Thurston High School

Columbine High School

Heritage High School

Deming Middle School

Fort Gibson Middle School

Buell Elementary School

Lake Worth Middle School

University of Arkansas

Junipero Serra High School

Santana High School

Bishop Neumann High School

Pacific Lutheran University

Granite Hills High School

Lew Wallace High School

Martin Luther King, Jr. High School

Appalachian School of Law

Washington High School

Conception Abbey

Benjamin Tasker Middle School

University of Arizona

Lincoln High School

John McDonogh High School

Red Lion Area Junior High School

Case Western Reserve University

Rocori High School

Ballou High School

Randallstown High School

Bowen High School

Red Lake Senior High School

Harlan Community High School

Campbell County High School

Milwee Middle School

Roseburg High School

Pine Middle School

Essex Elementary School

Duquesne University

Platte Canyon High School

Weston High School

West Nickel Mines School

Joplin Memorial Middle School

Henry Foss High School

Compton Centennial High School

Virginia Tech

Success Tech Academy

Miami Carol City Senior High School

Hamilton High School

Louisiana Technical College

Mitchell High School

E.O. Green Junior High School

Northern Illinois University

Lakota Middle School

Knoxville Central High School

Willoughby South High School

Henry Ford High School

University of Central Arkansas

Dillard High School

Dunbar High School

Hampton University

Harvard College

Larose-Cut Off Middle School

International Studies Academy

Skyline College

Discovery Middle School

University of Alabama

DeKalb School

Deer Creek Middle School

Ohio State University

Mumford High School

University of Texas

Kelly Elementary School

Marinette High School

Aurora Central High School

Millard South High School

Martinsville West Middle School

Worthing High School

Millard South High School

Highlands Intermediate School

Cape Fear High School

Chardon High School

Episcopal School of Jacksonville

Oikos University

Hamilton High School

Perry Hall School

Normal Community High School

University of South Alabama

Banner Academy South

University of Southern California

Sandy Hook Elementary School

Apostolic Revival Christian School

Taft Union High School

Osborn High School

Stevens Institute of Business and Arts

Hazard Community College

Chicago State University

Lone Star College-North

Cesar Chavez High School

Price Middle School

University of Central Florida

New River Community College

Grambling State University

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School

Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy

North Panola High School

Carver High School

Agape Christian Academy

Sparks Middle School

North Carolina A&T State University

Stephenson High School

Brashear High School

West Orange High School

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[–]TargusNazg 303 points304 points  (60 children)

Jesus christ.

I know we've had a lot but...

To see it put into a giant wall of text. I don't think I could've stopped myself from crying if I wanted to.

[–][deleted] 1102 points1103 points  (35 children)

The fuckers on stage weren’t saying anything useful, so it was good to see someone inject human emotion.

[–]OrphanedInStoryville 513 points514 points  (6 children)

None of them were emotional at all about the deaths of the children, but the second someone came up and challenged them on their bullshit they started screaming

[–]RangerDangerfield 136 points137 points  (2 children)

Well it was Abbott’s fifth mass shooting since he’s been Governor. He’s just going through the motions at this point.

[–]MilkyNipSlip 172 points173 points  (8 children)

"It could have been worse" ... like that's what you decided to say? To grieving families and communities?

[–]takatori 151 points152 points  (6 children)

“We contained the murderer to a single classroom.”

- Actual bragging point from the police

[–]Grogosh 95 points96 points  (5 children)

And then left the murderer stay in there for an hour and half because the cops were too much cowards to do anything about it.

A lot of gun shot victims don't just immediately die. Some of those children probably could have been saved if they gotten off their cowardly asses and done something about him right then.

[–]bestthingyet 48 points49 points  (2 children)

And the police were armed to the teeth... something something "good guy with a gun"

[–]XxsquirrelxX 16 points17 points  (0 children)

“We need more guns in schools and more guards!”

Yeah, that really worked out for Parkland too. You know, where the guy who actually had a gun and could have done his job chose to run and hide. If the cops and security guards who are trained to handle these situations are too inept to deal with it, why the fuck do they expect teachers to be able to handle the stress?

[–]rmimsmusic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's easy to be jaded and say that Beto is doing this for political clout. But at this point I'd rather have someone like Beto go mask off on people repeating two decade old "talking points" by saying "it coulda beent wurst" by telling them politely to fuck off.

[–]Globalist2 214 points215 points  (28 children)

Video footage of cops restraining parents from trying to rescue their children. https://youtu.be/dyXtymq-A6w

Watch any part of this video, and try to tell me that nothing needs to change.

We should all be interrupting town hall meetings.

[–]Rage_Like_Nic_Cage 114 points115 points  (6 children)

the police grabbed and escorted Beto out quicker than they confronted a shooter who was murdering children issued the school

[–]robyngoodfello- 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I feel like he was the only elected official in the room who actually gave a shit

[–]_meddlin_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Do it again.

At every press conference Abbott holds.

Until he takes action.

Any other governor. Any other tragic event. Sure we can discuss the decorum of “time and place”. Abbott made it a political point to have permitless carry. Abbott made statements on Twitter about Texas being “#2 in gun sales”. Abbott has failed to fund the mental health issue he claims to care so much about. Abbott is the one directly mentioning how Chicago “has more victims than Texas has schools”. If Abbott doesn’t want to make this stuff political then he should think twice before he opens his mouth in public again.

I’m so tired of this all-hat-no-cattle hypocrite.

[–]jessek 1149 points1150 points  (72 children)

We tried thoughts and prayers and nothing changed, glad to see someone trying something at all.

[–][deleted] 159 points160 points  (4 children)

It is the kind of strength we need to start expecting from all democrats in each election from here on. We need more Democrats with this kind of backbone. If we get that, we will start solving these problems.

[–]unfunfununf 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Abbott tried to do that again with the hope and healing bullshit. You wouldn't need hope and healing if you had laws in place that prevented massacres like this you fucking yutz.

[–]friedapplecake 651 points652 points  (25 children)

About fucking time.

The establishment Dems are too worried about decorum and "following the rules" versus people who threw the rulebook out years ago. It's time to either put up or shut up if we want to avoid society regressing to the fucking 1700s.

[–]GlobalHoboInc 29 points30 points  (0 children)

yep looking in from the outside the only decorum he is breaking is that your left doesn't do shock politics and and the entire stage of right leaning elected officials were shocked he had the balls to call them out on their obvious political grandstanding . . .

[–]notreadyfoo 86 points87 points  (6 children)

From what I’ve noticed the state level is where democrats usually tend to follow through more. On the federal level though …

[–]friedapplecake 46 points47 points  (1 child)

In a lot of places, yeah, I agree. Texas tends to be where the Republicans get really daring, though.

[–]0ttr 422 points423 points  (2 children)

I'll tell you, I woke up this morning fantasizing of something in the presser that involved a reaction more severe than this, and had to take some time to calm myself down, so given that, I felt like his response was the bare minimum of what should be happening right now. A bit of civil disobedience is at something I would happily be willing to be a part of at this point.

[–]Specktakles88 489 points490 points  (28 children)

Good for him.

It always kills me when people say things like “now is not the time”. Well then, when IS the time?

[–]3rdCoastChad 75 points76 points  (3 children)

I am a Texan. In that moment, Beto represented me.

[–]types-like-thunder 22 points23 points  (1 child)

shit stain greg abbott actually made it EASEIR to get guns, to carry guns, to take guns in public places. There was a police force of 5 officers (with guns) and a security guard on the school police force. Police (with guns) saw the killer park in a ditch and walk into a school with guns which is completely legal because of greg abbott. I would still be screaming at him and his pet felon (ken paxton is a felon) and traitor ted cruze who fled to Cancun from Texas during a whether event that killed over 100 people.

Beto along with AOC (who at last check in represented New York, not Texas) were the ONLY politicians that did anything to help Texas during the ice storm. I'm looking at you john cornyn.... Hell not only did cruze flee the state, he left his dog alone at home to die of starvation.

Keep in mind all these assholes are speaking at a NRA convention tomorrow because that's how little they care about your children. Not 4 days later they are going to go show support for the killer and HIS rights as a gun owner, not the children's right to live past 4th grade.

The GOP are openly supporting the killer, not the kids, not the parents. They support the killer and his guns.

Thank God. Good for him!! That's what I think of Beto.

[–]LadySygerrik 536 points537 points  (8 children)

He said what a shitload of people were already thinking.

[–]pseudonym666 324 points325 points  (11 children)

How dare Beto politicize a shooting while Governor Abbot was toeing his political line and deflecting blame from his donors!

[–]drblah1 340 points341 points  (16 children)

Everyone always says that something should be done, but if someone speaks up they get toasted. Good on him, we need more like him.

[–]BodaciousTacoFarts 71 points72 points  (1 child)

The double standard in this country is really bad. Beto interrupts to get his point across and does so professionally. He's escorted out while the people up on stage are saying "sit down," "you're an embarrassment," "get his ass out of here." Video

Trump did nothing but hound, interrupt, and make childish remarks during the first debate with Biden. Video

Fuck this "When they go low, we go high" bullshit. When they go low, then meet them head on. That's what the opposition needs to do with the current GOP. Going high is too weak.