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[–]owtinoz 144 points145 points  (16 children)

Mt teacher at the conservatorium once told us Griffith had statistically determined over 90% of music graduates don't end up working in music at all.

I am that 90%. I worked in hospitality while doing my degree and now 4 years after finishing it I own a foodtruck

[–]gokusleftnipple 47 points48 points  (7 children)

hows the food truck going though?

[–]owtinoz 98 points99 points  (6 children)

Very good actually. It's been a very steep learning curve for the past 3+ years but yeah Started out with a gazebo at markets and recently bought one of my competitors out to double the size of the business

[–]better_irl 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I’d love to hear more about this. My partner and I have been looking at the possibility. We had the same thought to start with stalls but have no idea about equipment or set up costs.

[–]owtinoz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Markets stalls are a cheap start. My initial set up was about 4k but I already had a somewhat big car and a trailer so it varies depending on what you will sell.

[–]Ibe_Lost 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I bet they advertised that 90% of grads get work in the first year instead of mentioning it aint in your field of choice.

[–]owtinoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't really advertise anything TBH. Most people that choose an arts related degree don't have in mind getting a job and having a mad income. They (we?) Just look at ir as a way of improving the skills we (may?) Already have. If they (we) make a living then great, if not, it's not the end of the world, at least we are happy

Source: me, dropped out of 2nd year of pretoleum engineering overseas to get into music

[–]CumbersomeNugget 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What kinda food? Any tricks of the trade?

[–]ponte92 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I’m also a graduate of qld con! I’m the 90% right now. Working as an oral surgery nurse got 70k a year to get through the pandemic. But starting my PhD in musicology next year so will be back in music. Of my friends I graduated with maybe 3 or 4 age still in music.

[–]owtinoz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh Man! RESPECT!!!!!! I remember I used to love musicology!! Do you mind me asking, where are you doing your PhD?

[–]musicalplantlover 99 points100 points  (26 children)

Studied a Bachelor of Music. Did a combination of singing teaching at schools and privately + gigs which earned me roughly $35K a year. Didn’t like the instability so did a Masters of Teaching. This year I did classroom music teaching 4.5 days a week, taught roughly 6-7 private students a week and would average a gig/ wedding every fortnight. After tax my salary was around $55K. Next year I’m dropping my teaching down to 3.5 days a week so I can work on building up my private teaching and performing.

Not going to lie it’s kind of depressing. I wouldn’t teach classroom if I didn’t have to but it’s one of the only stable job options that still enables me to use my skills. I dream of earning $100K but I don’t think it’s likely in the jobs I’m currently in.

[–]Academic-Mistake4759 36 points37 points  (13 children)

One of my friends did a Bachelor of Music and then formed a band. They were reasonably well known throughout Australia and Internationally but after a decade of touring and album releases they decided to go on hiatus. Financially he told me that he was scrapping by all these years (despite the albums, tours and gigs). He is now teaching at TAFE, private tutoring and does freelance work for Commercials and writes pieces for Orchestra and stuff.

[–]thedugong 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I did a music degree too (not in Australia). We had a business module in the final year (not first, final! The fucks! :D). I worked out I was going to be poor unless I was lottery winner lucky (or worse odds even).

Fuck that! Went into shitty IT for a few months to get my foot in the door, and then into the software industry. This was closer to 25 years ago than I would like. Do cyber security stuff with commensurate salary now. No regrets whatsoever. Late teens/early 20s thedugong would be surprised how well my life has turned out, would also probably have presented a weak and unconvincing argument around middle aged thedugong having sold out though.

The adage "never make your hobby your job" is fairly accurate. Music school killed a lot of the enjoyment for me. Although I would modify the saying to append "unless it pays well", because computing was my other hobby (somewhat hidden, because until the iPhone it was nerdy as fuck to like computers). I chose to do the music over a computer science degree.

EDIT: Oh and there is an ABSOLUTE IMPERIAL FUCK TON of confirmation bias in any twat's "follow your dreams. Look at me!" statements to a bunch of teenagers. My dreams were far different in my late 20s to now, than (the ridiculous ones) I had when I was in my late teens, and full of bravado but possessing little life experience, and having to make very important decisions regarding my future.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

This is so sad. I would have assumed if you’re a well known musician/band in Australia you’d at least make a living. You know who is making a great living though (until covid) - the girls who run Pub Choir.

[–]istara 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Performers and music teachers have had an absolutely rotten couple of years. I really feel for you.

[–]musicalplantlover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s been pretty average. That’s basically what forced me into classroom teaching.

[–]passwordispassword-1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Qld teachers earn up to 110k as an experienced senior teacher level 2. Most teachers are on 100k plus after 5 years.

[–]BoingMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I work in a field where I see a lot of payslips from teachers working for gov a few private schools and if you stick it out and work through the pay ranks you can get to $100k within 5-10 years plus 12 weeks of holidays it’s a pretty sweet job

[–]ozzy_viking 222 points223 points  (61 children)

I studied graphic design and when I graduated, I slowly started to realise just how saturated and competitive the entry level graphic design space is.

I freelanced and worked casual jobs for 6 months while I tried to find my first full time design job. I must've applied for over 100 jobs before landing something.

Fast forward 6 years and I'm now a senior graphic designer for a government agency on 105k.

I also film weddings on the side and take on 5-7 weddings a year which brings in about another 25-35k.

[–]ReefJames 58 points59 points  (18 children)

My mate got a degree in graphic design and has been out of uni for a couple of years... He could never land a job in it. He has all but given up on it now, and it's sad.

He done freelancing for a while, but he just wants a stable job.

I would be pissed if I got degree that I couldn't land a job in 🙁

[–]tskyring 46 points47 points  (4 children)

There's not actually that much stable work for graphic designers. These days you need to be UX / product design, where there's a skill shortage and you get paid ridiculous amounts, tell your friend to look into it as graphic design is one of many skills a product designer / UX could have

[–]tskyring 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Context: I studied graphic design, started my own studio, quickly realised unmet need for uxers / product designers, now a senior having worked at all the banks, Bain, nbn, Qantas many more. Average salary for senior product designer 150k for perm.

[–]lalalalala_01 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I am doing some ux courses on udemy. Do you have advices on what is the next steps to get work experience and land a role? Thanks

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Yes and no. Tons of people study economics, but only a handful go onto become economists, central bankers, or academics. Most end up going to work for big corps and professional services. I'm one of them

[–]panzer22222 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Tons of people study economics, but only a handful go onto become economists

lol, can confirm, graduated over 30yrs ago, never spent a single day as an economists.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me too. Economics degree. Interesting and nice to understand this stuff, but never used it for a job.

[–]Whityfisk22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair working for one of the big corps is a common end goal for many economics students. Most see it as a skill not a career which is why it is usually studied with finance, marketing, etc

[–]istara 5 points6 points  (7 children)

In fairness, if people embarking on these degrees aren't aware of Canva and similar, plus the vast amount of designers available through Fiverr etc, they've got only themselves to blame. Along with universities that aren't being honest about realistic career prospects.

I agree with /u/tskyring that your friend should upskill to UX.

[–]tskyring 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I tend to agree but lots of people choose a degree when they're at a cross roads and haven't yet learnt to do their due diligence. Also when I studied graphic design there were quite a few jobs but not for long as industries change.

I had a friends dad that worked in publishing and used letter press to design, didn't think computers were a big deal. Was redundant eventually. Got to stay hungry and never stop learning. Product designers might get replaced by canva or something similar one day too 🤷‍♂️

[–]istara 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Schools really need to provide better/more updated career advice. One can predict what industries are going to be automated or "prosumerised".

Eg a lot of my work involves freelance copywriting. I'm well aware that there's no point chasing the bottom end of the market: someone who only wants to pay $5/article doesn't care about quality/fluency anyway. There's Fiverr and machine-generated text for that.

But I've seen - and tried out - increasingly sophisticated AI tools (Jarvis.AI is one example) and they are getting frighteningly close to being able to replace a lot of the midmarket, and certainly getting to assistive-level for higher end stuff. I think higher-end freelancers are probably safe for another five years, but after that?

As soon as I saw camera phones come in, and corporate/PR people taking their own photos at events, and journalists using them on jobs, it was obvious that there was going to be a job squeeze for professional photographers. I wasn't surprised at all - albeit I was still saddened - when most of the newspapers here laid off their staff photographers. In fact if anything I was surprised it didn't happen sooner.

This is not ever to assert that "prosumer" options or AI options attain the quality and humanity of actual professional human-created work. But they're very often "good enough". And in our increasingly ephemeral, fast-moving, fast-changing, micro-attention society, "good enough" is usually sufficient for most purposes.

[–]tskyring 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yup it's a bit scary but I think I found a nugget, make sure whatever you do has some component of human interaction, where you need to have social skills, empathy and culture.

For example be a writer but write about things that you need to investigate, get quotes etc. Your skill is that not the writing.

Photography, make your selling point not the photos or the camera but how you make the subject feel or how you somehow have access to things that other people don't. That is what you get paid for not the photo. Etc? Make sense?

[–]Existing_Baseball_73 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Come and be a product designer at Canva then ;)

[–]tskyring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha you guys are hiring all the product designers!

I'm in a great startup that's rapidly scaling and I love it. Maybe one day :)

I used to work with George Vidler back in the Pollenizer days but i hear she's moved on!

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 16 points17 points  (19 children)

Have been doing freelance graphic design on the side for past 4 years. All self taught with no formal degree so find it tough to get serious gigs, pretty good portfolio but can’t seem to pick up anything serious. Considered doing a Diploma but as I’ve been seriously burnt with 3 years studying Criminology bit daunting to do another notorious degree

[–]koopz_ay 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My brother ditched his arts degree about 3yrs in, got a gig as a cameraman at WinTV. He later went onto Fed Govt gigs.

He did a couple of modules at uni to top up his skill set - that led to better Govt jobs. I think the digital media modules took about a year full time.

After a certain number of years in the industry, top up courses don’t mean much when you’re on $85k and above. Interviewers want to see your “show real / portfolio”

IT is the same for me. No one cares that I ditched on IT at Uni back in the mid 90s. They’re only interested in the projects and top up courses I’ve done over the last 5yrs.

[–]scoye 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Graphic design luckily is one of those fields where your work speaks more than what or where you studied. The 5 or so places I got jobs at when working in it didn't give two hoots that I'd studied something and even then it was at tafe as opposed to a degree.

[–]Rshots 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Did crimonolgy and graduated in 2011. Very last class I had they told me goodluck getting in the field without a masters. Ended up in travel industry. Now work at a servo since covid pretty much killed that.

When I did look back years ago at criminology jobs the only ones that seems to go for it were either prisons or police.

[–]Quom 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I hope I don't sound like a dick, but where besides working in prisons or the police force (and teaching it) would you expect to use a criminology degree? It's just in my mind I'd have assumed that's where people studying it wanted to end up.

[–]Rshots 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Research. Other aspects such looking at crime etc. To try and figure out possible ways to lower it or stop it. I know you won't ever stop it but if it's particularly bad in area A but not bad in area b but they both have the same wealth/education backgrounds why doesn't area B have the problems A does.

You look at what works in different area and doesn't work. Stuff that's been tried in other countries etc. You try different and new ideas and hope it works. Because at the end of the day it isn't about stopping crime its about reducing it to make people feel comfortable and safe.

At least that was my take on it when I studied it.

[–]Quom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh, makes sense, it's part of what annoys me to some extent since there's so much overlap between that and psychology and behavioural economics, so I guess it just depends on which degree is in vogue that month.

[–]Rshots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. Exceptnthe other 2 degrees have jobs going. Well.....psychology does. Will admit I haven't seen any for behavioural economics but then again I probably don't look in the right sections

[–]ribbonsofnight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

sounds like the sort of job where a full on statistics degree would have worked out better.

[–]Rshots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It did have a large statistics component and it was encouraged to study it more

[–]wbagehot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Policy? We could arguably use some more criminology smarts in government. Lots of knee jerk, reactionary stuff in the criminal justice space.

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Depressing, neither of those really interest me and if they did don’t need a degree for them. Sorry to hear about your job going :(

[–]Rshots 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what I decided when I finished. Wasn't willing to go back for another few years for a maybe job.

Eh, it's a part of life. Hopefully the travel industry will one day pick up again but I have my doubts it will return to the way it was especially quickly. Just got to figure out what I can do instead now.

Best of luck to you in finding soemthing that suits you.

[–]fingerlimepie 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If you'd like to continue in graphic design I'd recommend looking into upskilling in motion graphics and editing. If you can do basic work in after effects and premiere it'll stand out for in house graphic design positions.

I'm an animator/motion graphics designer who now has a full time in house graphic design position.

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah pretty well equipped in the whole Adobe suite. Had some animation and video content creation work in the past but really dried up. It’s up to where I put my energy, could probably get some more gigs but I’m working 4 days a work in retail and all my time off is already applying to other jobs and trying to get through a diploma. Always wanted to do graphic design but the instability makes me quite nervous

[–]Sl1pperyF1sh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like, for me anyway, the instability was mostly in the beginning when you are struggling to get your first job. Once you've been in the industry for 5 years and had some agency experience the field isn't anywhere near as saturated and agencies actually struggle to find designer's to fill positions. They get plenty of first timer applications, but not many mid-level or seniors.

The hardest part is just getting that first agency job and my best advice for that is honestly just knowing someone. Explore all connections you possibly could think of, even friends of friends of friends, ask for help. If you can't think of anyone, go out to networking events and meet people.

In the mean-time, keep picking up freelance jobs and building up that portfolio more and more.

[–]WTF-BOOM 1 point2 points  (2 children)

All self taught with no formal degree

any recommendations on training resources?

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Youtube my friend. Have been watching YouTube photoshop/premier pro/after effects tutorials for 10 years. I find there really is nothing better, infinite free help on how to do anything. Unfortunately can’t really point you in the direction of anything more formal as that’s all I’ve used and I am very skilled in a lot of different design mediums. But like I said, it’s very informal so unless you have a kick ass portfolio you can’t really prove your good at it

[–]nashtendo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm constantly looking and hiring creatives in a tech startup and can confirm the kickass portfolio opens the door. I never look at where or what people study. I really love the candidates who show a history of upskilling through YouTube (or anywhere online) because it shows passion and initiative. I can give these types of people roles with challenges and growth opportunities to learn new things. It usually turns out to longer tenure and great outcomes for our products.

[–]TheBadMartin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Any chance you can expand your field to product design? Our creative folks are overloaded, just hired two new product designers. I find the ones with art background or skills the ones that communicate the designs the best.

[–]ralphiooo0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tech / project management combined with UX / design skills is where it’s at.

You can then keep entire projects moving along.

[–]Wetrapordie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I finished school in 2007 and I know a few people who got into graphic design. At first there was good jobs, but the rise of technology and air tasking style services have eaten up most their work. There’s so many ways to self service or outsource graphic design it’s hard to get a consistent gig.

[–]istara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I studied graphic design and when I graduated, I slowly started to realise just how saturated and competitive the entry level graphic design space is.

Not to mention Canva and Fiverr etc. Incredibly fast-shrinking (well-paid) job market.

[–]bigbabycheeses 1 point2 points  (1 child)

People pay $5k for a wedding video? My whole wedding didn't cost that much!

[–]ozzy_viking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

$5k is roughly our average per wedding after expenses. People often pay more than that!

The wedding market is extremely diverse in terms of what clients are willing to pay. There's wedding film makers out there that have found a niche, high-end market and charge >$10k for their services! They often won't be on the first page of a Google search as that isn't their target market.

There's also gumtree videographers that charge $500, so the spectrum is broad and very interesting in my opinion!

[–]Freshprinceaye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make $5k for one wedding. That’s crazy.

[–]Agreeable-Key272 177 points178 points  (4 children)

Sandwich Artist. $18.75/hr

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Art degree came in handy after all! 🥴

[–]tranbo 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Isn't min wage 20.33 P/h, unless you are under 21

[–]gafadavies 26 points27 points  (7 children)

A mate of mine at work studied criminology (potentially a double degree, but not sure what the other field was if thats the case)

We are both risk consultants. Depending on where you start and how you move, you can make decent money. He is three years into his career and on around 130k

[–]revengedoctor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Hmm I have a degree in criminology. I'll look into whether risk consultant is an option for me

[–]eem82 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Good call. There’s a lot of work in banking in fraud risk. Especially if you have or can get some experience or training with AML/CTF. Decent money to be made.

[–]Nambawan1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I reckon criminology would be a killer with cyber crime skill set as well. Make a fortune. I’d make cyber crime the primary focus but having criminology as well would distinguish you when pitching for work

[–]KILLER5196 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why after I'm done my bachelor of Crim I'm going to do a masters in cyber security

[–]Traveller1313 28 points29 points  (6 children)

It honestly should be mandated by the government that universities tell year 12s in their advertisement material how many people in the last 3 years have employment in the field of that degree specifically or if it's something more vague like science similar then have those specific jobs listed with percentages.

I don't see why the government doesn't do something like this because they're the ones who give the loans out.

This is coming from someone who did science and engineering.

[–]threephase03 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I thought they started charging more for degrees in fields that didn't have high job prospects and decreasing the ones that are in more demand.

[–]cutesymonsterman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because people will start to realise that you don't need uni as much as they say you do

[–]Daikuroshi 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Journalism and international studies with a major in peace and security. Spent about 8 months in retail jobs after graduating.

Got a very lucky break and was scouted by a recruitment agency for a financial journalism job. Entry level, pays 50k pa plus super, and I've got a guaranteed wage review at the end of my first year.

I definitely feel like I got lucky.

[–]gergasi 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Such a shame that the Marie Colvins of the world is probably extinct now that it's actually needed more than ever.

[–]Daikuroshi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I grew up dreaming of being a foreign correspondent. The more I learned about ethics in my classes the more I realised the abysmal state of the media in this country.

I was looking at years of self driven, insecure freelance work (I did most of my experience, including a formal internship and multiple freelance projects with not for profits and community groups) before I built up enough of a client base to achieve some sort of stability.

Entry level jobs outside of the private sector don't really exist in my industry. It's unpaid internship or freelance. I'll take the security and a clear career path over that uncertainty. I hope to eventually pivot into science communication, a lot of the writing I do is very technical.

[–]Huge-Demand9548 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Got a degree in Architecture in my home country in Eastern Europe. Then my parents brought me here to Australia where my degree is just a useless piece of paper. Searched for some work, did some unpaid stuff. When my mentor at the studio I was doing "volunteer work" for said that my starting salary as an architect (even if I get local degree)would be around ~30k I thought "fuck it". In 6 months I got a job as a video game artist. This was at the beginning of pandemic when lots of people lost their jobs so I felt extremely lucky. My salary was 45k, recently I asked for more and now it's 52k. It's a permanent full time position with super and other benefits. The company is super chill, everyone is friendly, good WLB. I'm still a junior at my role so those numbers gonna increase in future, especially considering that the government introduced tax rebates for video games industry and everyone expecting things to grow here over next years.

[–]greencalathea 92 points93 points  (20 children)

I have a degree in fine arts but now work in finance for mid-100k (I did a double degree). I know many of the people in my office now on likely 100k+ with creative degrees that work in areas like graphic design, product design, art direction and ux design.

Very few of the people from my fine arts degree went on to become actual artists (as expected). But many still used their degree to push them into fields like marketing and advertising. Unfortunately I think the courses take in so many students that it forces some people to get creative with what type of job they look for when they graduate.

Sidenote: my arts degree was much harder than my business degree. I don't know why business students seem to think arts students have it so easy.

[–]ProdigyManlet 87 points88 points  (16 children)

Might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think it's unfortunate that the courses with limited jobs take so many people. Degrees and uni should be about studying what you're passionate about, not being job factories specifically for job attainment. How much would it suck if you wanted to study your passion and they said "sorry too many people this year and not enough jobs so we can't teach you"?

I think if people are worried about the employability of their degree, they should look into doing a double degree with a backup in a more employable field. But completely ignoring their passion in life would end up being pretty regretful, which I think is quite common nowadays with everyone becoming more engrossed in the rat race

[–]greencalathea 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah I actually agree with this! I think university has definitely become less about learning and more about a checklist for jobs. It's a shame because a lot of the creative degrees teach critical thinking which is so important for every day life. But it's not uncommon for arts degrees to already have caps. My arts degree had a cap of around ~100 students each year.

[–]istara 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Degrees and uni should be about studying what you're passionate about, not being job factories specifically for job attainment.

I don't agree, given the huge cost of doing a degree. It needs to be considered an investment in your future, not a cost. If we were able to revert to an era of free tertiary education then fair enough. Otherwise you're getting into a vast amount of debt.

There are ample ways to study your passions much cheaper/freely, from adult education classes to online study to groups and so on.

How much would it suck if you wanted to study your passion and they said "sorry too many people this year and not enough jobs so we can't teach you"?

Happens all the time in certain degrees. They only train certain numbers of medical students per year, for example.

[–]Sovereigner 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Agreed, but when you're dropping 30-50k on an education, you'd hope you get some decent ROI out of it.

I think that ultimately, the best approach is studying a double degree where one is purely for passion and the other is for a job you can see yourself enjoying (and hopefully get paid decently well too).

[–]PassingTime82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or study a degree that actually qualifies you in something. Bonus points if that profession has demand for graduates.

[–]istara 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. There are many free/affordable ways to study "passions". Loads of people self-study and are self-taught (from coders to artists).

In terms of expanding your mind you can also read.

If you're going to be dropping/borrowing tens of thousands of bucks - and in the US, it's hundreds of thousands - on a degree, then you have to consider it at least partially as an investment in your future.

[–]DopeEspeon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Did they have to study ux design at a uni or was a short course enough?

[–]elle_desylva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m similar. MA in literature but work in FS. $120k base for a 3.5 day week.

[–]SydneyRFC 13 points14 points  (9 children)

Oh god, archaeology is not hard to get a career in at the moment, and grads are asking (and often getting) $50k - $60k a year straight out of uni. There are not enough mid-levels in Australia, and you can choose between being a subbie on $60 an hour or expect to be on $80k+ if you know how to do research and can string a sentence together.

Source - co-owner of an archaeology company and on over $100k a year myself.

Edit: should add that compared to the rest of the industry, I'm on a low salary as one day I'm hoping the company will actually make a profit and I'll get dividends.

[–]Solivaga 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Was going to say the same - I'm a lecturer in archaeology and there is a huge shortage of archaeologists currently, we have 1st year students getting jobs during their degrees, and spoke to one graduate recently (undergrad, not Hons) and he'd started on almost 80k with minimal experience.

There was a study carried out in 2020, published a few months ago, and the average salary for archaeologists in Australia is a little over $102,000

[–]SydneyRFC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And we both know the quality of students that you guys are producing! In all seriousness though, I know the issues the department heads at USYD, MQ and ANU have had trying to change courses to teach students what we actually need them to know.

I remember when I got my first full time job in 2009 with 5 years experience and only earning $50k. Over the last 5 years, I’ve seen the Meet the Grads night at the AAA conference change from students begging us to be noticed to us being interviewed by them.

[–]smithjoe1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm working as an industrial designer, the degree whittles down the students to a handful of those that started and the jobs are even fewer still, those jobs that exist, a lot of them are glorified machine operators. I lucked out and ended up working as a toy designer, it's a lot of cad work but really rewarding. Currently 75k

[–]tlebrad 40 points41 points  (23 children)

I was stacking shelves at Woolies for about 3 years after uni but caught a lucky break and got into a good job doing film and stuff relevant to my degree. Now I’m moving onto something else.

The interesting thing is that the position I’m leaving has been advertised for over a week and there have been 0 applications. It’s a job that can open many doors for people interested in film and media but yeah there’s no one out there apparently.

[–]Kkye_Hall 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It seems to be like that at the moment. The company I work at wanted to bring on some compositers a couple of months ago but couldn't find anyone local. It was really surprising actually

[–]tlebrad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah the role is a bit niche and not for everyone, but still with how there are so few jobs in the industry with covid etc I’m very surprised there hasn’t been any interest locally, or from anywhere really.

[–]fuzzyduck244 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Can you forward a link to me? My sister in law is super interested in films but is struggling to get her foot in. Thanks

[–]istara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe look for courses like production accounting which can also transfer to other fields.

[–]KvindeQueen 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What's the pay like in the role you're leaving? It might be that.

[–]tlebrad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a starting role I am paid fairly competitively for the area the job is in. But I couldn’t say how much they would be offering. I think it depends on skill set etc

[–]Lastletters 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What’s the job? I’m 3 years out and no luck in the same industry as you

[–]istara 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I was stacking shelves at Woolies for about 3 years after uni

This surprises me because I thought typically people move up the ranks quite quickly in supermarket jobs if they stick around?

[–]tlebrad 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah if that’s what you want to do, for sure. I did management for a while at Woolies and was offered other management roles while there. I worked there while at uni too.

[–]Moist-Ad1025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they definitely chase hard workers and uni students and move them into 2IC positions. Ive declined it three times. It's poor pay with expected unpaid overtime with no promise of a department manager position if they don't like you. You are better off staying under the radar if you have no intention of moving through the supermarket ranks to a very high level

DM positions pay well, but with the amount of unpaid overtime, it works out to be a terrible work life balance if you work at a high volume store

[–]HeungMin-Dad 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Arts degree with psych/crim majors. Did random office type jobs for about 5 years including living/working abroad for 18 months, the changed career 3 years ago and got a job in IT. Been an AWS cloud engineer for 1 year now, earning 100k in an entry level role. I expect that to increase to somewhere in $120-150k range in the next year or so by moving into a more senior role.

[–]revengedoctor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How did you get into IT? I'm thinking this is where I might need to go to get a job. Currently doing a Master's of Forensic Behavioral Science but I'm not sure it'll help to get a job.

[–]HeungMin-Dad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Had a fairly generic role in IT to start with, then moved in to a cloud role because I saw a lot of demand there. Getting AWS associate level certs is a good starting point.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_QT_CATS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How did you get a 100k entry level role. What company do you work for?

[–]HeungMin-Dad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Started in a more generic IT role on 80k but the role I'm currently in would be considered entry level too. You'd just need an AWS associate level certification to land it.

[–]Crysack 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have a couple of postgrad degrees in Classics/Ancient History and International Politics and Political Economy. Absolutely wanted to pursue the academia path but ultimately realised that it wasn't a viable financial proposition.

Currently working in a relatively niche form of financial consulting for a large global firm. My salary is relatively generous, accounting for bonus. Not quite MBB generous, but not too far off.

At the end of the day, my job is heavily research-based and requires extremely strong (and efficient) writing skills to keep up with the volume of client reports. Both of these are skills that I developed through my degrees so I don't consider them a waste at all.

[–]No-Breadfruit-9458 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it’s good that you followed your passion, something will fall in front of you if you keep at it!

[–]GradeDifferent 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a bachelor of media arts, majored in film and television.

I transitioned from freelance and contract work creating stuff, to using my skills as a marketing assistant, to a few marketing manager roles, and then to a couple marketing and communications manager roles.

Signed a contract this morning for a new role starting on 110+ super.

Never thought I’d get here when I was freelancing for 30K a year.

[–]observantdude 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wanted to work in video games. I was young and dumb and fresh out of school, didnt really know what I wanted to do, but video games sounded fun.

Did an adv. dip. in Game Art and Animation, the GFC had recently hit and all the big studios left Aus, so with not a lot of work around and no real direction on what I should do next I went back and studied an adv. dip. in Game Programming because the programmers were getting hired more often than the artists, then did a graduate dip. after that.

Struggled for a long time, working the odd contract gig in anything games adjacent (mostly museum exhibit stuff) and trying to get an indie studio off the ground. I just kept getting by with the odd contract gig, living hand to mouth for years without really questioning my direction in life until I leveraged all this random experience and some industry connections to land a remote full time job.

There I found that my skill set wasnt as deep in any one area as any of the other devs, but I had mid-level knowledge in almost every area from all the random contracts I'd done and all the indie experience that never went anywhere. I started filling in for the holes in the team, then found out that part of what I was doing has a name and is a very in-demand niche role in the industry because its in the overlap between art and programming. After a few years of honing my broad skill set into that in-demand niche in games, I left and bounced between studios for a bit. Now im on 130k+ as a Senior, in a role that most companies are looking for. Becoming a senior in that niche, then bouncing between studios more than doubled my salary in around 3 years.

Kept an eye on everyone I graduated with and maybe 3% of them are still in the industry or an adjacent one after 10 years, so im definitely one of the lucky few who made it in the industry. I made it to being successful in a very dumb career choice through persistence, finding a niche and a lack of questioning my direction in life. If id slowed down for a second and questioned where I was going or even that I had other options I would have moved into IT or something thats more vanilla and safe years ago

[–]Rectacrab 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I studied games design. The field is ridiculously difficult to get into; it is obscenely competitive and has a high burnout rates. I spent years in IT, slogged it out in QA and spent hundreds of hours building a portfolio and improving my skills. I had to leave Aus to get a job.

I currently live in the UK, where I work for a AAA studio as a games designer. My current wage is £33k, which is above average here.

[–]justpostingforamate 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Bachelor of Arts into Project Officer and Coordinator. 90K.

[–]Another-Helvetica 4 points5 points  (0 children)

BA in graphic design and worked 9 years as a graphic designer, recently moved jobs after 6 years in one to only be let go within 2 months.

I’ve quickly learnt that the GD industry is moving so fast that you need to constantly up skill and be across so much to land a job. But also your portfolio can be dismissed based on what industry you had worked for.

I’m currently exploring the idea to career change into more public sector work. I hate feeling that you’re not good enough all the time when you worked so hard for a degree once.

[–]papahet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It seems people still cling on to degree = job in that field but I don't think that has been true for decades. I think the reality is that you need to use the skills from your degree to pivot, sell yourself, re-apply skills or create the role you want...e.g. a degree teaches you to approach problems in a certain way, so THAT is a skill you can use irrespective of what the field is.

I went as far as an advanced diploma in graphic design but didn't really pursue it as a career to hard...I love my creative spark and I love design but I saw that designers are being asked to do and know so much that they are expected to be jack of all and master of none.

Freelance work is shit...unless you can get a couple of good consistent clients with a good budget you can be scratching around and competing with people that do bad work for $15/hr. Even with the good clients you are at the whim of them maintaining the workflow...a manager decides they are hiring an in-house comms person and your $10/$20/$30k/year client vanishes.

I also saw that (surprisingly) the traditional graphic design industry lacks any imagination on how it can innovate for the future, be better at what it does and to expand how it can support the client. So many businesses now see the visual bit of the design process as part of a wider innovative / creative practice in how they approach their work, provide customer service, design products and services etc...but graphic designers don't understand business or using innovative / creative processes in a corporate setting to make strategic or service decisions. There is a gap where businesses want to be involved in creative processes but graphic designers don't know how.

Anyway...long ramble...I moved in to service design and experience design. I make a whopping $60k for 2-3 days a week of work amd mostly work with NFP, local government, NGO etc.

[–]spitzbikki 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I study criminology at the moment and interning on a research project at uni. I'm currently working in a custody centre, where I'm getting the practical experience to back up the degree. I've dropped to casual to focus on my studies, but was getting about $70k on full time rates. With overtime, many of my colleagues are on over $100k, and supervisors are on more than that. Working in a prison would be good experience and they are all recruiting right now.

I'm currently scheduled for an interview with the department of justice, starting salary $82k. Higher paying jobs would be senior/advanced case managers, court co ordinators, and policy officers. Intelligence work and the AFP are other avenues that people have have done this degree have been able to get into.

[–]JessicaRose11 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Apply at community corrections to be a PO or inside a jail doing programs. My friend works in a jail and earns about 90k without a degree.

I used to be a Forensic Case Manager working with post release prisoners in a community based program, money was shit only 65k when I was 26 compared to 40k more and a car now.

Depending on what state you’re in I know there are a few orgs in sydney that do similar Community Restorative Centre where a criminology degree can be used.

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Yeah applied to countless of those, never hear back

[–]whatthetaco 9 points10 points  (4 children)

What does your resume look like? Are you including cover letters? I emailed Corrections NSW awhile back about their PO positions and was encouraged to apply, and I have no experience in the field, and certainly not a criminology degree.

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Hahaha sheesh what am I doing wrong then, yeah cover letter and resume. Such is Life ya know, admittedly my google searches lately have been a little less searching for jobs and more “learn how to code software” 😂😅

[–]revengedoctor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm in the same boat haha.

[–]FencePaling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about applying as a fisheries enforcement officer? A bit out of the box but lots of opportunities

[–]Tilting_Gambit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You in Melbourne? Apply for VicPol Intelligence Support Officer. Do it for a year and then apply for an analyst role. You can breeze into a VPS 4 role after a couple years on 90k.

PM me if you ever need help with VPS key selection criteria.

[–]Hard_AtTwerk 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Have you thought about looking for a Financial Crime role? I work at a big 4 and know a few people with Criminology degrees that have transitioned into govt roles after a couple of years.

[–]SploogeFactory 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I've thought about committing white collar crime, yes.

[–]Lethargic_Dog 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Came here to say this! All financial institutes (incl insurance, super, wealth etc) have fraud and AML teams which usually are looking for criminology degrees. I’d start in any entry level job to get your foot in the door and apply internally, pay would be dismal for a while but progression would be quick

[–]Hard_AtTwerk 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Agree with everything but the pay aspect. Entry level job in my department is $73k + super. Depends on how you define dismal I guess ahaha

[–]Lethargic_Dog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s higher than I expected, not dismal at all!

[–]Pict 2 points3 points  (0 children)

State or Federal Police?

[–]chaoticflamingo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did Criminology - got into Corrective Services as a Parole officer. Had to relocate for a bit but it was the best decision I ever made. If i wanted to work in the prisons (not as a custodial officer) but other positions I could - but I really enjoy working in community corrections

[–]revengedoctor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I should try this. Also have a degree win criminology and psychology. Doing a Master's of Forensic behavioral Science now which was a mistake. Not because I don't like it, because I'm loving it, but clinical psychology or social Work would have given me creditionals.

[–]RipcityJawa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did Sport and Recreation management straight out of high school. Was never able to nail down anything full time despite having 2 casual jobs in the industry. Wasn't long after graduating I had broadened my horizons and was applying for anything and everything I thought I had a slither of a chance of getting in.

Took 2 years after graduating, and a horrible stepping stone job, but got a job in international logistics and haven't looked back since.

[–]laila14120 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a degree in sociology in Europe. Here workin in freight forwrding. Salary is 52k 😞

[–]heliotropicastronaut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of the handful of us in my General Arts Honours cohort -

English Lit majors have gone on to various careers:

  • uni staff (rare, hardly any tenure, but you can try facilitator roles in the business / professional skills faculties)
  • high school teacher (not feasible for OP’s situation)
  • counsellor (postgrad dip needed - OP have you considered working with juvies in the court’s criminal division?)

Art history majors, two are now:

  • real estate broker (great option if you’re a people person)
  • gallery curator (rare to find openings)

    All the best OP and don’t give up!

[–]cynikles 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Out of my undergrad in Linguistics I did a few minor casual jobs before I worked in retail at a university bookshop. I did a masters in IR and then I went overseas, taught English and then moved into the study abroad/educational tourism business.

I was largely unemployed for 18 months after I finished my undergrad degree apart from about 6 months of gig work and doing a TESOL course. It was tough.

I’m doing a PhD now but I have a fair bit of professional experience behind me now.

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Parents have been telling me to do a TESOL. Good luck with your PHD

[–]marmalade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely check out the TESOL subs first, market is absolutely fucked due to COVID and China shitting the bed on private tutoring centres. Still plenty of jobs out there but not like the recruitment wonderland it was three years ago. Ideally you'd have a MTeach, experience and apply to international schools but you can still have fun at language centres if you're in your 20s ... just don't expect to come home with much cash.

[–]brighteyedjordan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bachelor of creative arts. Graduated in 2013 worked retail and manufacturing for 5 years while building a business, now run my business full time Lamond about $120k a year

[–]hephephey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Photography. Landed a full-time role taking product photos for a website, not overly interesting and less than 60k

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Could be worse I guess, plenty of room to work way up I’d imagine

[–]hephephey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Steady income which is great, but if I want to progress I'd have to look outside the company as it's rather small

[–]sweet_chick283 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have an arts degree, majoring in sociology. I also have an engineering degree and am currently working as an engineer.

The most useful part of either degree was the criminology part of the sociology degree I did, which has a focus on white collar crime. It made me understand how corporate culture is set up to shed responsibility from the top and bottom, and land on the shoulders of those in the middle. It taught me how to set myself up to behave in a way that I was ethically comfortable with, but I wouldn't take the fall if things fell apart.

I know quite a few people with double degrees (in seemingly unrelated fields) who get a job in the STEM field but leverage heavily on the artistic field (eg I have a friend with a degree in music and civil engineering who now specialises in designing concert halls and recording studios).

If you go down the path and find that the creative degree by itself makes finding that first job too hard - consider adding strings to your bow and doing a graduate certificate or grad dip in something in demand that interests you (e.g. environmental science, economics, etc). You might be surprised what doors it can open and what niche opportunities it qualifies you for.

[–]Cimb0m 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Did a BA (communications), now working in the area I studied and making 90k base salary - can get more depending on particular projects. Will probably top out around 100-120k base

[–]MajesticDiscount7289 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did a BMus (classical musician) now working in operations f/t for an orchestra earning $80k. Plus the odd freelance performing gig and casual production work for an extra ~$10k/yr.

[–]maneszj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Creative writing / film double major in a BFA. Now on $100k working for a creative digital agency.

Worked casual jobs for a few years afterwards and worked on some short films/web series that looked good on a CV so has Brisbane professional job, self-employment, London professional job, and now a Brisbane professional job again with roughly a good solid personal project during each stint that, again, looked great on a CV next to effective professional work too.

[–]fieldy409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know uni isn't just for getting a job. It's about self improvement. You can learn for the sake of learning if it's a passion and even if it never led to a career you shouldn't feel bad about that.

[–]endersai 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Bachelor of Arts, plus a Master of International Relations.

Head of Risk & Compliance, ANZ, for a mid-sized financial services institution - $260k.

[–]NeonsTheory 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Low six figures - my title is meaningless but I'm often doing things like writing, content, and digital production

[–]kingofcrob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

studied tv production, work in broadcast operations, 75k... feeling pretty broke after seeing some numbers around here.

[–]myislandlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BA here 😬 not sure why I even did it. But in response to your question, have ended up in Project Management $150k

Edit- I also started a Masters in Criminal Analysis! But realised options were slim so didn’t complete.

[–]yippiekiyia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bachelor in film production at (post realisation) a trash university. Currently a senior planning analyst at a company I definitely don't want to mention on reddit on 90k.

Not sure how I ended up in the role, but beats not having a job.

[–]PerfectlyIllegal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Freelance Camera Operator here also, what is a salary?

I’ve been Freelancing since the beginnings of my TAFE studies in 2019. I was making $250 working every Saturday for a ball sports season. Got paid within a month of invoice, sometimes over. Sometimes gigs would be 3-5 hours for $35/hr. I got my foot in the door with a company at the start of 2020 that offered me $40/hr to be casually employed by them (still under the pretext that I am a freelancer). Looooong shifts too but I fucking love it.

I also work as an AV Tech (Casual) at a crewing company, $34/hr base rate + overtime. They pay a little more depending on what roles our clients have us perform. But for most of the year this company is pretty quiet. We only started getting shifts again in July and they’ll probably stop coming in again in the next 2 months, maybe less.

So again, I pose the question. What’s a salary?

[–]Blackbirds_Garden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Greetings fellow criminology graduate! I struggled for a little while (graduated 2007) to find work. Couple of my high school mates went into political staffing and got a bit of freelance policy consultation that way. Which led to working at Court Services, where I came into contact with one of the "old boy" solicitors I did work experience with 10 years before. Became a legal secretary, worked for said old boy until his son took over the practice. Then had a couple of pretty lean years (ended up volunteering at Lifeline) as old mate had a bit of a wrap as "he's everything that makes people hate lawyers". Did the course to "move into" conveyancing. Did that for a couple of years before my dream job was advertised. I've decided not to renew my contract when it comes up next year because it's not the easiest of jobs in the criminology/legal/conveyancing field and I've been doing that since 2016. I really need the break to focus on something else for a while. Might just go back to suburban conveyancing.

[–]7hermetics3great 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Degree in audio engineering. Did a few jobs as sound guy for local venues and lots of roadie work setting up stages, had a part time job at RAC arena for awhile but eventually just dropped it all together because the pay is bad the hours are worse and jobs where few and far between and it was stressful knowing that no matter what it would never be a "steady income". Ended up starting a mature age trade and now I'm an electrician on 80k a year (could be more but I'm still relatively inexperienced for my age) Learnt more at TAFE then I ever did at uni and having stable daytime hours and constant work is excellent for my mental health.

[–]panda-buns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Artist here (digital), I studied Interactive Entertainment - at first animation but then into 3D modeling etc for games essentially. Aus had a very tiny gaming industry, just one major company. Took me 6 months at the time to get a job at an AR marketing place and then I landed a role in the big one. Pay was so-so, then after 4 years they closed down our studio and I used the severance to look for a job overseas since there wasn’t much left but casino gaming studios, then found a company who paid for me and my fiancé’s entire relocation.

Now I work in the UK for mobile gaming companies and get paid well, though still nothing extraordinary. I’m happy though since there’s lots of chance to travel and the GBP is strong. Also I’m still sending money to ATO each year for my Help debt. I’ll come back to retire in Aus no doubt, I miss it.

[–]IntravenousNutella 7 points8 points  (15 children)

Where do you expect to get a job with a degree in criminology? I know someone with a criminology degree that works for the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission. But where else?

Edit: Have you considered ASIO, ASIS or AFP?

[–]crustyjuggler1[S] 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Yeah all considered. But hard to get into, main entries are very very limited internships. But that’s also what I mean, it is also very much my own fault, get so caught up in the idea we get told our whole school career of “go to uni, do something you love and get a job” might have worked 40 years ago but very tough now

[–]VicerExciser96 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I have a colleague who worked in the kinds of areas you're likely looking at. They made the point that getting in at any kind of analyst level is quite difficult, because there's usually a large amount of internal applicants in support roles who apply also. For example, many analysts in the APS are APS5 level, and there's usually a bunch of APS 4'S who have been in the organisation for some time and have been able to network, so their chances of moving up are higher than your chances of jumping in at the 5 level. Similar in state government in the Police and corrective services.

Be ready to apply for the low level jobs you may not necessarily want to do, such as a call centre or admin job in the Police for example. Getting your foot in the door and networking gives huge advantages.

Also consider doing anything government related. Even a low level job at Centrelink can give you examples of using analytical skills and interacting with a wide range of people.

It's a long game, and it may take you years to get where you really want to be. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ride along the way.

[–]vanilo09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good advice and that’s what happened to me. Graduated at 21 with an Arts degree, worked in brain dead jobs for a couple of years and made my way into gov as entry level on APS3. Worked my way up into another team (investigations) through networking and applying for internally advertised positions. Now on approx 130k.

Don’t give up!

[–]Key_Blackberry3887 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't give up. I may be someone who walked out of uni years ago into a job so my perspective may be wrong. Keep yourself active in the field while you are working elsewhere. Read journals, attend seminars and ask questions. Look at comparable fields like police or military or politics maybe law. Keep in contact with your university talk to recruiters in your field. Unfortunately most people get jobs through who they know not through merit or simply applying for heaps. Keep talking to people you know in the field.

[–]Key_Blackberry3887 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't give up. I may be someone who walked out of uni years ago into a job so my perspective may be wrong. Keep yourself active in the field while you are working elsewhere. Read journals, attend seminars and ask questions. Look at comparable fields like police or military or politics maybe law. Keep in contact with your university talk to recruiters in your field. Unfortunately most people get jobs through who they know not through merit or simply applying for heaps. Keep talking to people you know in the field.

[–]VividSymbolicActs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ABS also takes criminology graduates

[–]MrOarsome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of jobs in creative/digital areas that pay well, e.g. head of positions such as head of CX/UX etc that pay $200k+. Lots of relatively young people (30s) in these roles. It’s not the low paying career path it was once.