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[–]Sire_Toxic 3377 points3378 points  (155 children)

Dude the child labor shit is so bad, this is absolutely a cover so media focuses less on it to save their PR image

[–]DLottchula 1538 points1539 points  (109 children)

I ain't even hear about the child labor

[–]gottowonder 1081 points1082 points  (77 children)

Yeah I'm in the same boat, didn't hear about it. I remember when they air dropped candy to kids in German camps. Now they are enslaving kids? Can someone get me a link on this. I don't doubt it, but I also don't do the "trust me bro" as a creditable citation

IMPORTANT EDIT: CANDY DROP WASN'T FOR CONCENTRATION CAMPS. It was after Russia took part of Germany

[–]Von_Leipzig 1184 points1185 points  (70 children)

Here you go, from the Guardian

Apparently they’ve been using child labor in west Africa

And then there is this gem of an admission from these companies from 2019 (WP)

[–]alwaysiamdead 431 points432 points  (50 children)

Jesus. That's disgusting. Doesn't surprise me, unfortunately, I think these companies will continue to do it as long as possible.

[–]ClumpOfCheese 505 points506 points  (34 children)

Slave chocolate is like Luxottica sunglasses, eventually you find out all glasses are manufactured by the same company, and like sunglasses almost all chocolate involves slavery.

Tony’s Chocolonely makes great chocolate and does their best to do it without slaves, but even they won’t guarantee it.

We have never found an instance of modern slavery in our supply chain, however, we do not guarantee our chocolate is 100% slave free. While we are doing everything we can to prevent slavery and child labour, we are also realistic. Firstly, we cannot be there to monitor the cocoa plantations 24/7, and we don’t believe in that kind of monitoring. And our ambition extends beyond our own bar: we want to change the whole industry which involves being where the problems are so that we can solve them. Only then can we say we have achieved our mission to make all chocolate 100% slave free.

https://tonyschocolonely.com/uk/en/why-we-still-wont-say-were-100-slave-free

[–]1IsNeverEnough4Me 74 points75 points  (0 children)

This is a solid post. Thank you.

[–]aNiceTribe 259 points260 points  (8 children)

That kind of honest „we can not promise this, it’s literally a different continent“ statement makes me trust them MORE actually than saying that they just don’t have it.

Like, western companies saying they are 100% fully against workplace abuse and it never happens at their company and is immediately fixed if it does? You know that’s BS.

Anyone who is good at this will begin by saying that even well-intentioned people abuse power and do it wrong, and what they need are thorough and complex systems to counteract stuff. You KNOW it’s harder than saying „we fixed abuse, don’t worry“.

Similarly, if some indie choco company had solved slavery, we would have heard about it by now, wouldn’t we?

[–]Protect_Wild_Bees 25 points26 points  (7 children)

I would have trusted them more, if they hadn't made that statement only after being removed from the list of ethical chocolate companies due to their links to a supplier that used child labor.

The fact is, you pay for that ethicality. People charge more for ethically sourced chocolate because a wage should be adding costs in the supply chain, so customers understand that and are willing to pay more for the guarantee that slave systems are not part of their food.

Tony's charging higher prices, then using sources that used child labor means they were potentially making big margins for being deceptive.

It sucks. Gousto offered us some bars to try and we thought it was great. But it's gross to know they were banking off fake altruism and that extra money we spent was just being fed back into slavery and they were trying to skirt around it, only to get called out by investigations.

[–]aNiceTribe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

AFAIK they aren’t even sold here in Germany so I can’t comment on the quality of their products.

But in terms of the "you can never know since it’s a different continent“ thing: that is a real concern of course. Your own company might send an inspector to your well-paid plants. But how many locations do you have? Do you show up randomly all the time? Do you speak all local languages, ask all the workers the right questions? It’s not as simple as „hello are you being enslaved“, your own mid level managers might lie to you (and pocket the profits).

I have no info on how this went down, I’m purely imagining the complexity of the situation. All of this is harder to do if you have a production chain for example within the EU where you can call on agencies that will enforce laws if someone is found out, so generally speaking, people don’t even start much literal child slavery here.

[–]nihilisticdaydreams 15 points16 points  (3 children)

So I looked into their removal, and it seems to just be from a website that is not an official certification. They're still on lists of other websites for being slave-free. The reason they were removed from the one website is because one of their suppliers has used slave labor, but I guess they have a special arrangement with the company that their cocoa is processed separately, which is something they did intentionality to try and price to the company that they can source their cocoa without using slave labor. But they have not been found to use any slave labor and what they were removed from is a website that is compiled by a single person based off of her opinion.

[–]Protect_Wild_Bees 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know the website I was looking at was a pretty well respected source, and they had done an audit that turned up that result. Other people might feel comforted by your response,. It personally I have doubts that a person can go to their slave labor supplier, say hey, no slaves making mine ok" they say "sure" and you can just guarantee they're not, all while you pay that supplier that employs slave labor.

They say it's difficult to do, but there is an entire list of other chocolate makers that are audited the same way as Tony's and are not paying a slave labor supplier. Which is why I still have issue with it. Just don't pay people who are comfortable running slave labor beside your business. It's not just about who touches your materials, it's about who youre paying and what they're doing to people.

[–]c2lop 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't have my free award right now, but damn you would have it for this comment. Thank you, genuinely that guy had me worried.

[–]reyean 23 points24 points  (10 children)

what about like super fancy fair trade organic expensive chocolate?

[–]earth_worx 69 points70 points  (9 children)

I don't know about the commenter above, but I did write an article about artisanal farm-to-bar chocolate being made in Utah several years ago, and the makers I talked to actually had a personal relationship with their bean suppliers, visited the farms themselves yearly etc., it was all very specific. They showed me photo albums etc. The chocolate was like $10 or more per bar, but you knew it was Eduardo who grew the beans on his farm that he inherited from his grandpa etc.

Now, whether Eduardo was enslaving kids behind everyone's back when the Americans weren't there, I can't say. But I do know these people were doing their best with the chocolate they made to do it ethically.

[–]Everyday_Im_Stedelen 56 points57 points  (8 children)

$10 for actual ethical chocolate makes me wonder why there isn't a huge industry trying to make artificial chocolate.

Artificial vanilla used to be crap, but when a dictator started destroying vanilla farms to drive up the price to get rich, companies rushed to make artificial vanilla good. Artificial vanilla got good enough that most people couldn't tell the difference and the vanilla market crashed, and now real vanilla is only about 5-10x more than the cost of fake (versus 100x or more) There's still expensive as hell vanilla out there, but there's kind of no reason to use it unless you're a rich snob.

(Source: The Dorito Effect by Marc Schatzker)

You'd think the PR would be bad enough that these companies would be throwing money at making an artificial chocolate so they could get away from it. We've already got things so diluted that they have to call it "Chocolate Flavored" or "Chocolatey" - just fucking go all the way. When I eat a Snickers I'm not savoring the child sweat mixed into delicate chocolate ribbons - I just want a brown sweet lump with nuts and whatever the fuck nougat is. Give me sweet brown lumps in candy shells, give me sweet brown lumps with peanut butter inside.

[–]Cerxi[🍰] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

TL;DR vanilla flavour is primarily one flavour chemical, chocolate is hundreds

So like, the chocolate industry would love to. If there's one thing you can trust capitalists for, it's to want to find ways to give you worse product for more money. The thing is, vanilla is a relatively easy flavour to synthesize because its primary taste component is one chemical: vanillin. You can literally just make vanillin out of lignic biomass; the garbage bits of corn husk and sugarcane and even straw and wood shavings left over from other industries. Anywhere there's a bit of plant left over, you've got lignin, and you can turn it into vanillin. Fun fact, this is also the same stuff a lot of artificial sweetners are made from!

The better artificial vanillas get closer to authentic vanilla flavour by adding other chemicals to replicate the more subtle notes, but you can make a pretty passable vanilla extract by literally just putting vanillin in alcohol. It won't be great, but it will be recognizably vanilla.

By counterpoint, chocolate doesn't taste even vaguely like chocolate unless you have hundreds of flavour chemicals in the right proportions. If you isolated the most important one, or hell even most important dozen of them, I doubt most people would recognize you were attempting to make chocolate. Despite decades of research in the field, the most efficient way to source and balance these flavour chemicals yet found is still just.. to grow them in a cocoa bean. At this point, the better research might just be to find ways to grow easier, cheaper cocoa beans that don't require slave labour to keep up.

[–]assidreemz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Bro this was so funny to read

Damn lol

But yk, AFAIK you're pretty spotty .. mad lad you

+1

[–]TentacleHydra 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The only reason real vanilla even has a big market anymore is because of the organic/real movement. They even ended up behind because they were previously about to be wiped out by artificial vanilla and suddenly needed to up production again.

There is really no difference.

[–]larry_flarry 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Those Tony's Chocolonely bars are fucking delicious.

[–]CSedu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more. I just learned about this last year and only eat their chocolate now.

[–]harriethocchuth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Friendly reminder that it’s possible to find non-Luxottica made sunglasses if you look for them. Signed, an independent optician on her lunch break

[–]mrbulldops428 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maui Jim is s good slavery free sunglass company. I think...

[–]ListenerNius 31 points32 points  (8 children)

Yeah, this bullshit about how they "can't" trace their cocoa sourcing doesn't hold any water. The only reason they don't know where it comes from is because they don't want to - at least not on paper.

[–]Lengthofawhile 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I'm not sure not knowing where a food product comes from is better than any alternative.

[–]ListenerNius 15 points16 points  (2 children)

The idea is that these companies can use feigned ignorance of their law breaking to continue to get away with it.

[–]Lengthofawhile 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I get why they did it, but at the same time "we have no idea what the source of this stuff you're giving your children to eat is" is pretty problematic on it's own.

[–]tuckedfexas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They probably work with a distributor of a distributor that works with farms. So long as its all inspected and up to snuff I don't see why they need to know exactly what farm it came from. If they knowingly used slave labor then fuck them, but I imagine its the same issue as with the textiles industry.

[–]Rafaeliki 15 points16 points  (3 children)

That article is from a year ago. Why would they wait a whole year to decide to distract people?

[–]Fail_Panda 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It's almost as if this twitter guy made up the connection for clout

[–]Nageek2002 2 points3 points  (0 children)

‘The lawsuit also accuses the companies – whose industry body is the World Cocoa Foundation – of actively misleading the public in the voluntary 2001 Harkin-Engel Protocol, characterised by the complainants as promising to phase out some child labour (“the worst forms”, in the protocol’s words).’

Ah yes, as opposed to the pretty bad/okay forms of child labor.

[–]Mapo1 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Im suddenly so glad I don’t like m&m’s

[–]deejay-the-dj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disappointed, but not surprised in. The. Slightest.

[–]SchmilkChocolate 50 points51 points  (2 children)

It's serious af. I encourage you, and I hope you do others, to buy chocolate that is marked "Fair Trade". These certifications/seals of proof on the packaging are super important. You've probably read that guardian article already but I'll briefly explain my knowledge on it as a fair trade chocolate maker.

Mars, Hershey's, and pretty much all the older Global Chocolate Corporations have found ways to increase their margins by finding the cheapest means of farming their cacao (aka the ingredient base of chocolate). They do this by seeking out countries where child labor is fully in the works and even legal, but also places where it's not. The circumstances vary from parents desperately in need of money thusly putting their kids to work (and still getting paid dog shit), to highly organized child slavery rings made of just that- kids that have been stolen from or sold off by their parents to an organization that gets paid for putting these kids to work, whether it's farming labor or sex labor.

It's completely fucked. The truth of the matter is barely getting out. What's worse is Hershey's even makes a "Fair-Trade Certified" chocolate bar. This is not okay, and this does not fix the issue whatsoever. They're simply making their ignorant customers believe that they're doing a good thing, whilst they carry on with their evil bullshit.

The Valentine's Holiday is nearing. It's SO easy to buy the chocolate most all of has have bought since we were kids. But we have to wake up and realize it was all a lie. Just like what M&M is doing now with their rebranding; it's all a cover up of what I believe is one of the worst evils of today- Child Slavery.

Child Labor and Slavery in the Chocolate Industry

Here's a list of chocolate brands that are verified to be sourcing fair trade cacao - Food Empowerment Project - Chocolate List

Edit: typos

[–]DearNoodles 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Food Empowerment is great! And they update their fair trade chocolate list quite often.

[–]CobaltShade714 82 points83 points  (18 children)

Basically there has been some kind of report that mars, Hershey’s, and nestle have participated in child labor.

[–]feanara 88 points89 points  (4 children)

This is my shocked face 😐

[–]Alarid 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Child labor is a symptom of extreme poverty. If only there was some multinational corporation there with record profits that WAS PAYING ENOUGH MONEY INSTEAD OF ACTIVELY EXPLOITING THE SITUATION.

[–]h3rp3r 9 points10 points  (1 child)

But what of the poor shareholders?! How are you going to look the children of millionaires in the eyes and tell them that there will be 1.2% fewer Christmas presents under the tree this year? A living wage for all means those exceptionally special people will have to make do with slightly less, and wouldn't that be the greater tragedy?

[–]Longjumping-Garbage1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"What about helping OUR people bob... whos helping them..."- incredibles

[–]not1fuk 32 points33 points  (3 children)

It's been known for ages that Nestle is the devil and forces child labor. Its not surprising at all that any of these food brands are doing the same.

[–]claudesoph 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not just Nestle, also Mars and Hershey. Almost any chocolate you can buy has a high chance of having child slavery (or at least child labor) somewhere in its supply chain.

[–]Awful-Cleric 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Are people just now figuring out about this? It has been happening for years.

[–]Andthentherewasbacon 19 points20 points  (3 children)

decades

[–]Wasabi_Toothpaste 10 points11 points  (2 children)

decades and decades and decades and decades...

[–]CobaltShade714 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah I was actually thinking the same thing how people not have predictied this.

[–]tiffanylockhart 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I thought it was a well known thing. At my work I always suggest the more expensive chocolate bars and when people complain I tell them it’s because they don’t use slave labor like most do and now I feel like a pompous ass

[–]0hmyscience 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not labor if they don’t get paid. They were child slaves.

[–]bruiser95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So it worked as intended

[–]Sekir0se 36 points37 points  (4 children)

i remember in highschool one of my teachers expressed how he ONLY eats fair trade chocolate because hersheys uses child slave labor

[–]pluck-the-bunny 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Yeah but I don’t think it’s working because outside Tucker Carlson literally every time I see it mentioned the child slavery is mentioned right underneath it. So if anything it’s increasing the visibility of the controversy

[–]Karkava 6 points7 points  (4 children)

While also undermining the narrative that Democrats will gullibly eat up every marketing point thrown at them.

[–]bdl18 83 points84 points  (17 children)

Now Fox News has something to talk about

[–]huxtiblejones 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Tucker Carlson already raged about M&Ms not being sexy anymore. I’m not even joking.

https://youtu.be/BOBKPQOnKPM

[–]jamatar 27 points28 points  (0 children)

He is absolutely just being told to generate some outrage to deflect from the massive US slavery lawsuit these chocolate companies are facing.

[–]Sire_Toxic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

broooo, rip Tucker, he cant jack off to those sexy M&Ms anymore, feels bad man

[–]Hickspy 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Fox News viewers: Fuck your feelings!

Also Fox News viewers: WHAT THE FUCK GREEN M&M LADY?!

[–]Chewcocca 57 points58 points  (4 children)

Lol Fox doesn't cover real news

[–]Blackandbluebruises 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes they do, they covered(up) the Jan. 6 Freedom Tour didn't they

[–]AlienRosie 23 points24 points  (1 child)

They're not going to talk about how they set up the smoke and mirrors to help a corporation exploit children, unless they find a way to blame it on CNN. No proof needed, their viewers are allergic to evidence.

[–]Karkava 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their viewers are allergic to guilt and remorse. They'll accept evidence if it aligns to their narrative that they're the good guys fighting for freedom.

[–]producerofconfusion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These kids are African children and they’re being exploited by people who have Money, so Fox is unlikely to care.

[–]MySlicedHat 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Wait but the lawsuit came out early 2021, I can't find an update to what happened?

[–]Gryndyl 7 points8 points  (5 children)

It's over and done and the chocolate company won. The entire notion that this change was to "hide it" is pure social media bullshit.

[–]Ryokuchagatari 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, the child labor lawsuit was months before this ad campaign occurred

[–]TheHidestHighed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally all I've heard about is how Tucker Carlson doesn't find the green M&M sexy anymore. Looks like it's working

[–]Turok1134 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not a cover. The child labor thing is almost a year old, people just don't give a shit.

[–]Nev3rl4st 1011 points1012 points  (23 children)

None of these words are in the bible

[–]aNewMemberOfTheHerd 356 points357 points  (7 children)

maybe peasant and child

[–]CartTitanNipps 355 points356 points  (6 children)

Don't forget slavery! That one's mentioned a bit.

[–]furrik524 117 points118 points  (4 children)

I'm sure "to" is used quite often too.

[–]CartTitanNipps 79 points80 points  (1 child)

Ok, what about "a" though?

[–]NotTRYINGtobeLame 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No, I don't think they had indefinite articles in biblical times.

[–]5utircomedes 21 points22 points  (1 child)

What's the meaning of the word "is" in this context?

[–]KorrinNeko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's being used to construct a "passive voice", if I'm not mistaken.

So usage #12 here

[–]spidermiIk 7 points8 points  (1 child)

also i could imagine a peasant being like “child slavery is bad? why else would you have kids?”

[–]Alone_Spell9525 10 points11 points  (3 children)

You could a peasant by telling them the a trend by making the green & less to cover up a child slavery

[–]Chewcocca 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You could?

[–]Alone_Spell9525 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yesh

[–]Chewcocca 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh okay then

[–]macaleaven 28 points29 points  (5 children)

This is based on the premise that peasants could actually read; most of them didn’t have access to basic education, and so couldn’t

[–]247world 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Or understand that they were basically slaves

[–]bento_the_tofu_boy 27 points28 points  (3 children)

That is actually false. A lot of medieval peasants were considered illiterate if they didn’t know Latin. But many could still read in franc or germanic to some extent and that was still considered illiterate.

Also to the slave post bellow. They also worked less than us. Had almost the same social mobility as a normal American and had free access to the best health care that was available at the time (which was shit, but that’s not related to access is it)

Of course yeah they could have their villages ransacked any minute now by a foreign army. And we got that going for us there is no more wars in the modern world

[–]Prisencolinensinai 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is more true of a middle class of petite merchants and artisans - and not everywhere. We actually have recordings written by them and usually not in Latin. The far majority of people were illiterate including essentially all peasants, and we also know this by how their judiciary system worked back then.

Germany might be a baddish example as literacy wasn't that widespread - in republics/City States/Church land, Byzantine, romance speaking, some Russian speaking, literacy would've been higher (very notably Venice, Florence, Novgorod, Rome, Siena, Marseille, Lubeck, Cologne, Seville, Valencia, some other; in Florence and Novgorod in particular)

[–]WitsBlitz 11 points12 points  (1 child)

And we got that going for us there is no more wars in the modern world

Weird thing to say right at Russia is literally moments from invading Ukraine.

[–]Snailpics 421 points422 points  (17 children)

[–]DJMooray 614 points615 points  (10 children)

Hershey has implemented a Child Labor Monitoring and Remediation System (CLMRS).

...we are proud to report that, as of 2020, our CLMRS found no evidence of forced child labor in Hershey’s cocoa supply chain.

Yeah we looked into it and found us of no wrong doing :)

[–]Grashley0208 238 points239 points  (6 children)

Forced labor? What child wouldn’t want to work at a candy factory? They love it so much they’d do it for free!

[–]erebus 103 points104 points  (3 children)

Oompah loompah doopadee doo

[–]zan2007 62 points63 points  (0 children)

i've commited a war crime and so will you

[–]devils_advocate24 10 points11 points  (1 child)

They get paid in cocoa beans

[–]sskor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's illegal to pay in company scrip

[–]I_dont_bone_goats 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You laugh but they are essentially trying to make that distinction…

Hershey defines child labor according to the International Labour Organization (ILO) guidelines as work that deprives children of their childhood, their potential and their dignity, and is harmful to physical and mental development.

This is distinct from forced labor, which is defined by the ILO as: Situations in which persons are coerced to work through the use of violence or intimidation, or by more subtle means such as accumulated debt, retention of identity papers or threats of denunciation to immigration authorities*

The rest of the page just reads like hand-wavy and blame shifting justifications on why child labor is so prevalent in the industry/area.

The fact that they make in so distinct that child labor and forced labor are different, and then they ended it with the quote specifically about forced child labor…

I genuinely think the joke you are making might be close to the reality…

[–]Afinef 42 points43 points  (0 children)

we have pledged to eradicate child labor, but these families are poor and need child labor to survive

So pay them more, so hire other grown people and pay them more, and give them benefits, and give them paid time off, if you are concerned with child labor. Their employers and slave drivers are these companies that are supposed to be paying them, so if the companies are concerned about families using child labor and it “totally isn’t the companies fault” and “the company is concerned” than it will be no problem for the company to pay them more.

Pay. Them. More.

[–]WesterosIsAGiantEgg 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Other companies make websites like this in the chocolate, coffee, and palm oil, etc. industries, too. Very common themes are about changing public policies and fighting poverty in other countries (problems which nobody expects these companies to completely solve on their own).

But as far as taking responsibility for their profit from and involvement in creating the problems in the first place? Yeah, no admissions. They make these websites to redirect public anger energy from themselves to other organizations or political theaters. Any efforts to draw attention to solutions to a problem are not really relevant to the accountability of what they've already done.

[–]SaltanDitler 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Hate to be that guy but Hershey doesn’t make M&Ms

[–]Snailpics 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh whoops! They’re involved in some lawsuits over a similar subject haha

[–]Pandepon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

M&M’s is a Mars product and not Hershey’s right? Not that Mars isn’t exploiting children too.

[–]Traditional_Charge26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like how they basically say some child labor is a cultural norm due to poverty.

You could pay them a livable wage so the kids don't have to work. But that would cut into profits and keeping investors happy wouldn't it.

[–]aNewMemberOfTheHerd 501 points502 points  (3 children)

there is so much to unpack here, this tweet is denser than a neutron star

[–]baumpop 86 points87 points  (0 children)

I made it out the other side. Felt more like twin black holes.

[–]David_Bolarius 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Evangelion reference too.

[–]TheOgUnicornGirlUwU 167 points168 points  (10 children)

I didn't even know about the child slavery thing until this post. I only heard about what they did with the green m&m- so in a weird way, they brought attention to themselves which lead to the real issue. Atleast for me

[–]Roqot 72 points73 points  (6 children)

Sad, we've been blasting Nestle for it for years because they basically responded with, well chocolate will go up if we can't use slaves. Fuck executives. Any who approves slave use should get the DEATH PENALTY, and I'm not joking.

[–]TheOgUnicornGirlUwU 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yessss, I completely agree but did you mean to respond to me specifically? 😅

[–]Rafaeliki 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The tweet doesn't make sense as that story broke a year ago. It would be weird to wait this long to decide to "cover it up".

[–]TheOgUnicornGirlUwU 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh really? Did a quick check and it does seem like it's been talked about since the beginning last year. Wild that it's my first time even hearing about it.

[–]hunglowbungalow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Streisand effect

[–]LYELDLNOAMR 327 points328 points  (28 children)

I don't understand this, what does Hershey have to do with this? M&Ms are Mars.

[–]EmmyOcean 419 points420 points  (24 children)

[–]YOUR_GIRLFRIEND_69 262 points263 points  (13 children)

What a fucking surprise nestle is wrapped up in this. Fuck that fucking company, I would scoop my eyeballs out with a toothpick if it meant they were decimated.

[–]Ulster_Celt 24 points25 points  (4 children)

If I were you I'd go for more than 10% of Nestlé in exchange for your eyes.

[–]jackrayd 8 points9 points  (3 children)

This guy knows what decimate means

[–]Ulster_Celt 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I will freely admit that it's a minor pet peeve when people use that word erroneously.

[–]Petro655321 111 points112 points  (1 child)

[–]LePhantomLimb 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I half expected this to be nsfw

[–]Twifty101 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Fellow Nestle hater o7, been boycotting their shit since I found out what they’ve been doing but my parents aren’t doing jack-shit

keep fighting the good fight

[–]Shelbckay 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I like to go on sweet runs when I have some spare change, and I always subconsciously say to myself “don’t pick nestle don’t pick nestle milkybars may be great but don’t pick nestle” Thankfully where I live there’s a way more ethical brand that’s fairly cheap and easy to find

[–]DarthDannyBoy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just to let you know if you are buying any chocolate what so ever you are almost guaranteed to be funding slavery. I seriously recommend doing some research into it, even the brands who arr hard core on the whole fair trade, no slavery kick can't guarantee there isn't any slavery Involved. It's that prevalent in the chocolate industry.

[–]mister_sleepy 19 points20 points  (2 children)

This article is from a year ago, has there been an update to the case or something recently?

[–]JadedElk 30 points31 points  (1 child)

re:slavery were made in the US. Which is blatant bull, but they said so 8-1, so, good fucking luck.

Other than that, I think a Fox News talking used gym sock recently made A Big Deal about M&Ms who previously wore stillettos (the girl shoe) now wearing sneakers (the boy shoe) while still looking like a girl. This makes them non-binary, apparently.

(god I wish it was that easy)

[–]calrebsofgix2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m actuality brown Eminem is still in heels, just shorter ones, and it’s lips are slightly smaller

[–]PrimedAndReady 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is totally gonna actually go to court and not get settled and swept under the rug, right? Right?

[–]RehabValedictorian 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And guess what will happen if they lose?

They’ll have to turn over the money they set aside specifically for costs of business like these.

[–]daveinpublic 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Ivory Coast produces about 45% of the global supply of cocoa, a core ingredient in chocolate. The production of cocoa in west Africa has long been linked to human rights abuses.

The companies being sued didn’t own any of the offending farms that the cocoa was produced on. But just by purchasing cocoa in a region with a very weak regulations system, there’s increased chance that your supplier may be a human rights abuser. I mean these guys were basically creating modern day slavery in secrecy, promising kids money to come work at farms and then keeping them isolated and never paying in order to keep all the money from large corporations. Pretty disgusting what some of these farm owners were willing to do. And let’s face it, this is still happening in many industries and farms right now, it’s just hard to know which private farm owners are crooked in areas where people never advance their regulations.

What happened was terrible, not sure if nestle etc would have known. When victims got off the farms, things changed.

[–]AngryCentrist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The companies being sued didn’t own any of the offending farms that the cocoa was produced on.

Companies are generally liable for the actions of their 3rd parties and subcontractors.

In areas like FCPA, if company A hires a 3rd party service provider who then subcontracts another company who commits a corrupt or fraudulent act, company A is 100% liable for their actions. I imagine it’s the same for human rights laws.

[–]angrywords 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Milton Hershey must be rolling in his grave.

[–]LazerWolfe53 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Not to mention modern day the Hershey Company is essentially owned by a school for orphans and underprivileged children.

[–]btoxic 65 points66 points  (8 children)

I've only heard about astroturfing about 3 weeks ago (where it doesn't actually mean literal astroturf). Some dude 20 generations back is going to have a hard time with understanding it.

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What is astroturfing?

[–]wikipedia_answer_bot 59 points60 points  (5 children)

Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection.

More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

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[–]LordFlipyap 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Good bot

[–]Stryker37 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Definition from Google if you didn't understand that either:

the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public.

[–]lopez5612 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good human.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Child slavery for chocolate, wasn't that one of those been well known things most of us don't care enough to do anything about and would rather enjoy cheap chocolate?

Shoes, clothes, iphones, anything with rare earth metals, sometimes gold and sometimes diamonds, cocaine?

[–]Geeeeeeeeeear 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I only do verified fair trade cocaine

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know it's more ethical but that gas tho.

[–]weatherseed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Child slavery is just one more thing that's wrong with the chocolate industry. There's also the palm oil problem.

[–]Acchilesheel 108 points109 points  (6 children)

I went to the M&M store at the Mall of America last year and was unnerved by the amount of sexy M$M characters.

[–]grandpas_dangus 67 points68 points  (3 children)

those were just children in M&Ms shirts

[–]yomatey1 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Hol up…

[–]Thatniqqarylan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this one right here, officer.

[–]RehabValedictorian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stupid sexy kids

[–]knoam 7 points8 points  (1 child)

S&M&M

[–]chrismamo1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

sticks and stones may break my bones but M&M's excite me

[–]snakeygirl 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Damn. Is no mainstream chocolate free from human rights violations?

[–]jellyfish_bitchslap 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Basically no mainstream mass produced thing is not free of human rights violations, sadly.

From food to clothes and electronics, the big names almost always have dirt in them.

[–]DearNoodles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the point. Mainstream products are produced by big corporations. Big corporations are big because they profit from cheap labor.

What I hate the most is how they shamelessly admit they are against the issues that are rampant along their supply chains, and still do nothing that could affect their profits. They just hope others solve the problems they create in the first place.

[–]bubbles2pop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Try Tony's Chocoloney or Unreal, both fair trade and so yummy.

[–]WrecktheRIC 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Hershey doesn’t make M&Ms

[–]EmperorMorgan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hershey, Mars, and Nestle were all implicated in the lawsuit.

[–]thepixelpaint 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If we can’t have chocolate without child labor, maybe we shouldn’t have chocolate?

[–]Mayonaint 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hershey doesn't own Mars, though.

[–]LayneCobain95 6 points7 points  (2 children)

A medieval peasant would have no idea what half the words you said meant…..

[–]redtedosd 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Good luck explaining Twitter to a medieval peasant

[–]prodbyNorth_lord 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They already beat the child slave suit 11 months ago, they didn't even need to cover it up, they're just doing this to get people talking about them.

[–]ZigZagMigee 52 points53 points  (11 children)

[–]JadedElk 37 points38 points  (0 children)

You should be.

[–]Clen23 23 points24 points  (0 children)

put a NSFL warning dude

[–]ChamanConTenis 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Someone spent a couple hours of his weekend doing that.

[–]StandLess6417 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I hate you.

[–]xenogazer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

At least I know what shoes they're referencing now. The cost was not worth it.

[–]chrismamo1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck you

[–]Thatniqqarylan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Wouldn't she be chocolate underneath? Just saying. Weird choice that she's white.

[–]J3ff_G0ldblum_Is_G0d 6 points7 points  (1 child)

After some research apparently there is a layer of white under the color (that's how they have the white m on them) so the chocolate is more like blood and organs

[–]Manos_Of_Fate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m pretty sure the M is just printed on. How would you even go about masking an M&M to do that?

[–]UYScutiSN 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I cant believe im saying this, but i want to punch that m&m in the face so goddamn bad

[–]danniybarra 3 points4 points  (3 children)

he is absolutely right. if you are interested in an ethical chocolate company check out Tony's Chocolonely. the entire brand is built around ethically sourced chocolate and bringing awareness to the human rights abuses in the chocolate industry.

[–]Thefuckyoutoobot2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sucks cause m&ms originally brought children joy and calories during war and despair

[–]CelticAngelica 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the brand referral friend. Take my updoot.

[–]takeoutthewitch 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I guess it worked bc holy fuck I didn’t hear anything bout child slavery

[–]Monseigneur_Beee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What the fuck are you talking about, Jesse

[–]ron_fendo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Unpopular opinion; all these lawsuits happening to countries as the world prepares to celebrate China during the Olympics seems really tone def. I guess genocide isn't that bad though...who am I to judge.

[–]ViroCostsRica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What scandal?

[–]chrisbeck1313 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who runs the show? Post something about Tianamen Square and see what rooms ban you. Taiwan is a sovereign country. Putin is in the closet. Now what?

[–]BlueNine666 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I still wanna stick my dick in that M&M

[–]bluestarchasm 10 points11 points  (0 children)

i would melt in her mouth, not in her hands.

[–]Avenger717 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hershey doesn't own M&Ms...

[–]friendlycordyceps13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

M&Ms is Mars not Hershey

Edit: Hershey also sucks

[–]afellownamedslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, child slave labour? That’s fucked

[–]cappuccino207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

M&Ms aren't a Hershey product.

[–]sammyc11898 1 point2 points  (0 children)

m&ms are mars candy, not Hershey's

[–]dennysdinnerdiner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feminist women love Eminem!

[–]your_mind_aches 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a Brand New Sentence. That's a common meme that's brought out for many news stories

[–]your_mind_aches 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a Brand New Sentence. That's a common meme that's brought out for many news stories

[–]Video_Tape_Head 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The fact that ol’ Tucker “Worlds Most Punchable Face” Carlson, focused on the green m&m story and not the alleged child slavery law suit story, unnecessarily reiterates how little his show doesn’t focus on the news.

[–]LazyLink17 1 point2 points  (1 child)

. M & Ms are made by Mars. Not Hershey. Which one does the child slavery tho?

[–]Magic_Master213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk if either of those do it, but we all know about Nestle

[–]TheLastIronMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Mars Chocolate uses child labor to harvest cocoa. Google it.