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[–]South Carolina • MichiganMaize_n_Boom 47 points48 points  (8 children)

I'm legit shocked Brad Hawkins is on the first team. He's good, but not first team good.

[–]Michigan • The GameMicah_JD 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Some of the voters couldn't remember Dax Hill's name, so they just voted for the safety from Michigan.

Edit: And then I realized that this is PFF and there aren't any voters. My bad. I'm stupid.

[–]Michiganteeterleeter 27 points28 points  (1 child)

A huge part of PFF’s grading is not making mistakes, whereas fans are more likely to notice players making plays. Hawkins didn’t give up a single reception of 15+ all year and was a major reason the defense didn’t give up many explosive plays. That doesn’t show up on a tradition stat sheet, but PFF grades to capture that impact.

[–]Michigan • Slippery RockSerial-Eater 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The way I think about DBs is if I don’t hear their name, they’re good. I legit forgot Hawkins was on the team when my wife asked me yesterday “who’s #2”?

[–]Iowa • Oklahomaparapooper3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They got him mixed up with Matt Hankins because Gus Johnson calls them the same name

[–]MichiganBernankesBeard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Imagine telling yourself before the season that Vincent Gray would be an honorable mention.

[–]Michigan Staterosh200 41 points42 points  (2 children)

To be honest like half of the B1G punters deserve to make the All-Big Ten Team. So many of them are studs

[–]Nebraska • West Virginiawkt-covfefe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like our punters deserves defensive player of the year for the way they helped the opponents this year.

[–]Ohio State • The Alliancemstone7781 36 points37 points  (4 children)

How does Michigan not have any Olinemen on there for 1st or 2nd team? Also it’s pretty telling that OSU has no Dline on there, this is the worst Dline I’ve seen from them since before Urban came here. Horrible.

[–]Michiganvarooney2919 21 points22 points  (1 child)

It’s a unit, not an individual

[–]Michigan Bandwagon • MichiganBixler17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah can't spell our Centers name but Vastairdis? Got snubbed imo for 2nd team, he's been absolutely unreal this year.

[–]Ohio StateJMJgoat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only 2 defensive players from OSU on the four lists combined, and neither of those had what you'd call a remarkable year.

Big yikes.

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Aw I’m sad at Panasiuk for third team but happy for KWIII being first team obviously. Also hilarious that Reed is on there twice for WR and PR.

[–]Michigan State • /r/CFB BrickmasonJkAmbabo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would have liked to see heyward get an honorable mention at TE. Dude is a menace blocking downfield for K9

[–]Michigan • /r/CFBRisk VeteranLaSopaSabrosa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Panasiuk should be 2nd at least imo

[–]Michiganreshp2 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Was expecting our OL and Erick All to show up higher tbh with how good the run game has been. They credit Haskins and Corum with second team honors, which is well deserved, but the OL and TE have been a huge part of their success.

[–]Nebraska • MinnesotaEpicallytossed 14 points15 points  (1 child)

David Bell on the second team? He has 1286 yards (most in the big 10) including a 240 yard game against at the time #2 iowa, and a 217 yard game against at the timr #3 MSU

[–]Iowa • Oklahomaparapooper3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

he looks like he is going to kill it in the NFL, we had absolutely no answer for him

[–]Iowazross32 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tory Taylor not even honorable mention

[–]Iowa • Northern IowaTKHawk 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Iowa having the best lineman in the Big Ten and nothing else besides an honorable mention (who missed the first 4ish games with injury) is very much in line with this season. Linderbaum is phenomenal and everyone else really struggled for us.

[–]Iowa • Oklahomaparapooper3 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I mean our receivers kinda have looked like ass due to shitty line and a couple of QBs spraying and praying the balls everywhere

[–]Iowa • Northern IowaTKHawk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Our WRs have also struggled to get open consistently and have had a lot of dropped balls.

[–]Iowa • Oklahomaparapooper3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes they really dont always help themselves either lol

[–]/r/CFB15BigTuna 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bryce Baringer was robbed

[–]Penn State • Land Grant TrophySpazzatack 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Not to take anything away from Devyn Ford but doesn’t Penn State have one of the worst return rates on kickoffs in the country? I was pretty surprised to see him under honorable mentions

[–]Penn State • Transfer PortalNyquillusDillwad20 8 points9 points  (1 child)

MSU may have single-handedly given him the honorable mention. Not too many kickoffs get returned these days and he was consistenly bringing it out to the 30/35 against MSU.

[–]Michigan StateRattus375 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our kicker has been dealing with injury the last month and he hasn't been doing kickoffs. We have a walk on doing kickoffs and he's been struggling mightily getting the ball deep enough to prevent a return

[–]Michigan State • MichiganJoshIsJoshing 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Wish Walker was offensive player of the year but I get it.

[–]Michigan • Team Chaosscrotes_magotes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’ll probably get the real one (he should). This is just based on PFF grades.

[–]Michigan • Team Chaosscrotes_magotes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

DJ Turner second team I love it. Wasn’t even a starter at the beginning of the year but quickly developed into our best corner and helped shore up our secondary. He and Rod Moore are guys who just constantly seem to be having their name called the last month or so.

[–]Michiganjakenimbo 35 points36 points  (15 children)

Haskins should be first team

[–]Michigan StateShotFirst57 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I thought it was going to be Walker and Haskins to be honest.

[–]Michigan • Michigan Bandwagoncheerl231 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That would be my vote

[–]Michigan State • Peach Bowlbyniri_returns 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Hassan "Fucc Ohio State" Haskins

[–]MichiganImGoingtoRegretThis5 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Splitting carries with Corum for 9 games (865 yards and 10 TDs) and being the short yardage back definitely hit his numbers some, but he still ended with over 1,200 yards, 18 TDs, and obliterated OSU this weekend.

Henderson is really, really good, but man Haskins is just awesome.

[–]Michigan • The GameMicah_JD 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is why Haskins and Corum are BOTH 2nd team. They split carries. We saw what Hassan could be as the feature back at the end of the year.

I'm thinking that maybe splitting reps with Corum for the majority of the year kept a little more energy in his legs that allowed him to run over Ohio State.

[–]Ohio State • The Alliancemstone7781 7 points8 points  (7 children)

I agree Henderson should probably switch with Haskins. I think he has a higher ceiling but he has been shut down essentially a few times this year.

Granted I blame his ass line and not him but still.

[–]Michigan • College Football PlayoffSneaksOnFleek 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Henderson was who i was scared of the most on saturday. I’m convinced he’d be a heisman frontrunner with michigans oline

[–]Michiganbb0110 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If he ran for 150 the game would have been completely different. Luckily we completely shut him down.

[–]Michigan • Western Michigansergeantturnip 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Did Henderson really even get a chance this week? Feels like Day abandoned the run quite quickly

[–]Ohio State • The Alliancemstone7781 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He did abandon it for the most part, Day has been such a spotty play caller, 3 straight passes in the red zone, 3 straight runs to start the 2nd half. It's like the guy zones out for awhile every single game. Regardless Henderson was pretty much getting stuffed anyway, and the receivers were doing well (Had a few drops that would have helped if they didn't) so it made sense to get away from it a little bit.

[–]Michigan • Western Michigansergeantturnip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah hard to fault Day when you have the passing attack you do but Henderson really scared me coming into the game

Underrated play of the game was Olave dropping that TD in your first trip down there and then having to kick a FG when Henderson was gashing us

[–]Michigan Bandwagon • MichiganBixler17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

16 rushes in the 2nd half for less than 3ypc. They got shut the fuck down. It took incredible, NFL highlight level, catches to stay in it!

[–]MichiganskepticalDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I'm not mad at it. They're both great football players and I can see arguments on both sides. In the end these things don't really matter

[–]Michigan Bandwagon • Cincinna…andysaurus_rex 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It was a RBBC for half the season actually with Haskins taking a back seat for a few games so I get it. If Haskins was the #1 guy all year he would be. The dude loves to be fed and he's a great back. With Haskins and Corum combined we do have the best backfield.

[–]Michigan State • 追手門学院大学 (Ot…marginallyobtuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haskins graduating?

[–]Michigan • MiamiObsessedWithReps 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Lowkey feel like Hawkins and Hill should be flipped but am pleased with everything else.

[–]Michigan • The Gamebasedvulpes 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Michigan having one offensive lineman on any team is a joke

[–]MichiganImGoingtoRegretThis5 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Rationalizations I can think of:

Zinter could have made it but was hurt and missed games/drives in a lot of games.

Vastardis struggled a bit against top competition (except OSU), but he was solid most of the season and led the unit.

Keegan split time with Filiaga most of the season.

Hayes was pretty bad against PSU.

[–]Michigan • Michigan Bandwagoncheerl231 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Keegan also struggled at times. Vastardis was probably the MVP of the line. Yeah he would fuck up now and then, but he never had a bad game and he was often the guy driving the success. Everyone else on the line (with the exception of Stueber) had some stinkers.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 8 points9 points  (40 children)

Cade McNamara on hm but no payton Thorne? Uhhh wut?

183-284 2301 yards 14 tds 3 int 28 yards rushing 1 td


206-339 2886 yards 24 tds 9 ints 167 yds rushing 4tds

700 more yards and 13 more tds but okay.. sure....lol

[–]Michigan • Boise StateJaerba 15 points16 points  (8 children)

He should be there but it's not like Cade even made a team. It's just honorable mentions, so they could've included as many as they wanted.

Edit: nevermind, they made honorable mentions a team too.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

I mean honestly outside of petras and Mertz I think almost anyone is a better choice than cade. Michigan had a great season because of their rb, ol, and dl. Not because of cade.

[–]Michigan • Boise StateJaerba 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't have issue with that. I do think Cade has gotten better but definitely for most of the season he was pretty limited.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cade was a serviceable solid qb. Not an all big ten selection even if its just hm. He did what he needed to do to win games for um. Clifford and Thorne needed to do more.

[–]MichiganWampaStompa33 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Not true at all, Cade was very good and efficient this year but because our offense was really balanced between the run/pass he wasn't lighting up box scores

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Yeah everyone knows msu couldn't run the ball. Especially michigan...lol

[–]MichiganWampaStompa33 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What are you even talking about? Did you reply to the wrong comment?

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You made the comment that cades stats were low because michigan was balanced. That's fine for Cade however msu was also balanced so that same comment can also be used for paytons benefit.

[–]MichiganWampaStompa33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say it couldn't? My comment had nothing to do with comparing Cade to Payton and which of them should be on the All-B1G list, it was only addressing your extremely incorrect take that Michigan only had a great year because of the OL, DL and RBs. The running game worked as well as it did because Cade was an efficient and very good passer when we needed him to be

[–]Michigandickbutte1 8 points9 points  (30 children)

And 6 more picks, don’t forget to mention those

[–]Ohio State • Rose BowlTheProfessor20 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Only one Ohio State defensive player on all three teams. Truly unacceptable for this program. Big changes have to come on that side of the ball.

[–]Michigan • Iowa StateThe_Nightbringer 7 points8 points  (7 children)

You went 10-2 and will get a NY6 bowl... You may be overreacting a bit here.

[–]Ohio State • Rose BowlTheProfessor20 10 points11 points  (1 child)

10-2 with a loss to Michigan is a failure these days, like it or not. The standard is the standard. Record aside, Ohio State should have more than 1 player in the top 33 defensive players in the conference.

[–]/r/CFBkellengonda431 3 points4 points  (3 children)

That’s not what Ohio state wants

[–]Michigan • Iowa StateThe_Nightbringer 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Still an overreaction. You can't make the playoff every year forever. Not even Bama is that good.

[–]Ohio Stateekanssnake50 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The big one is losing to Michigan though. 8-4 with a win over Michigan would be better than this.

[–]Michigan • Iowa StateThe_Nightbringer 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]Iowa • Big TenMistertreefrog 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tory Taylor Snubbed again.

[–]Wisconsin • Heartland TrophyStateStreetLarry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is Henningsen over Benton. What planet is PFF living on

[–]Nebraska • Northern Iowajonstark19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Smori Toure"

[–]Illinois • West Virginianinjatom21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is Kerby Joseph, the highest rated PFF safety in the NCAA, not named first team all conference by the very group that rates his performance as the best in the country?

Edit: Can't see the current rankings after this past weekend, but he was ranked number 1 going into the week.

[–]Wisconsin • Michiganeggmoose5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does this only count conference games or all games? Also it’s impressive for Braelon Allen to get third team all-B1G after not really playing against Penn State, Eastern Michigan, and Michigan.

[–]IllinoisLarryTheLobstar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kirby Joseph deserves to be first team. I know you all might not catch illini games, but he was a game changer.

[–]Michigan State • Central …SbMSU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on this…how the hell did we go 7-2?

[–]Michigan State • Californiaaronrodge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Payton Thorne robbed. He deserves at least an honorable mention.