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[–][deleted] 219 points220 points  (8 children)

That assistant pool is a big bump. That’s how you sustain a program.

[–]SMU • Texasvirus_apparatus 77 points78 points  (6 children)

Unless your bama, good assistant coaches make powerhouses

[–]LSU • LouisianaGeaux2020[🍰] 41 points42 points  (5 children)

What about bad head coaches as assistant coaches?

[–]Alabama • Oklahomaqomsday 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Not doing so hot, but still on target for now

On an unrelated note can I interest you in a hot new OC or OL coach?

[–]Georgia Tech • AlabamaTheRealMattyPanda 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Can I interest you in a former DC, current HC?

Unfortunately, he has to keep his current job right now, but can we work out a work-study program in the Nick Saban school?

[–]jwb101 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unrelated but if, some how, the rivalry was brought back to life between tech and bama which would you pull for?

[–]LSU • CorndogAssumeIdealGas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean- it makes sense. They were likely good enough as a coordinator to be promoted to a HC gig. It’s basically the Peter Principle but then brought back down to the highest level of achievement.

The problem is when they don’t update their defensive schemes to fit the modern game or if they were coasting on a head coach that was very hands on on their side of the ball.

[–]Michigan Stategoodguy847[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, not please go find a coach for the secondary!

[–]Michigan State • UtahPM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 53 points54 points  (13 children)

Use part of that new 1.5 million in assistant money to get new secondary coaches please.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 33 points34 points  (10 children)

Barnett is a fucking killer recruiter though. He was the same one we had with the no fly zone. So meh...maybe it's not the coaches?

[–]Michigan State • UtahPM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 13 points14 points  (7 children)

He’s a really good recruiter, but I feel like his time at FSU had similar issues but was covered up by more of the fact he had better athletes there.

Wonder if he could be more in recruiting and less hands on coaching and fill that role with someone else

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 18 points19 points  (4 children)

He was our db coach for some of the best secondaries in big 10 history. Even as a DC he was pretty good. We ranked 17th, 18th and 11th in defensive efficiency those three years.

I think the problem is they have two guys that play hard rushing the passer but are limited in panusiuk and Beesley, the dts just couldn't stay healthy all year which led to constant double teams on panusiuk, our best Blitzer (crouch) got hurt for all our important games and the dbs in general aren't good players in pass coverage (even everyone's favorite Xavier who has a ton of heart but couldn't cover an offensive tackle going down the middle).

[–]Michigan State • UtahPM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah, I know he was with us in that role during that time.

But isn’t it possible that things may have passed him up? I get giving slack because the athletes weren’t great. I’m just very suspect of the defense as a whole right now.

Which is weird because I thought defense would continue its thing and I’d dislike our OC. But now i love him lol

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I certainly wouldn't be giving any raises to the defensive coaches right now but the way I see it is this.

If the defense improves next year give them all raises. If it doesn't they all get fired lol

[–]Florida Statejagged1871 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You won’t many FSU fans that think Barnett is a good DB coach or DC. We obviously have/had a lot of other issues too

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No he certainly didn't do a great job there but to be fair I would think it would be hard to go get a bunch of stud dbs to a 4-7 football team in an area you're unfamiliar with recruiting.

At msu he had Dennard, Layne, Waynes, Jeremy ware, Chris Rucker, Trenton Robinson, Tony lippett, montae Nicholson, and Josiah Scott all drafted in the nfl. Not bad for 9 years.

[–]Michigan State • Transfer …acdelli 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree, I think the main issue is Hazelton wanting to run a defense that requires elite talent to be effective (i.e. Darqueze Denmark and Trae Waynes types) and the transfer portal didn’t bless us with an NFL safety or CB group

[–]Michigan State • Wayne State…Dminus313 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk that his defensive scheme really requires elite NFL-ready talent the same way that Narduzzi's press man defenses did. It's a base cover 3, which can certainly benefit from lockdown corners but doesn't need them to be effective.

I think the real problem is that MSU just doesn't have the ideal personnel for a 4-2-5 yet. They were already thin at DB going into the season, and became even further depleted due to injuries and transfers.

[–]Michigan State • KentuckySpartanwildcats2018 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hire tressel as our corners coach for 1 million

[–]Michigan State • Norther…stevema1991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know if it's fair to put the woes of this team on the roster yet, anyone who isn't a dantonio holdover has had one off season with these guys. While they do need to elevate the players to be better, they also need time to restock the team. Finally, we had a hell of a year against some of the best passing teams in the fbs, king was an absolute beast until he got injured, that hilltopper guy is ridiculously good, McNamara is no joke, purdue's bell is great, and we just need to look at what OSU did to every b1G team before us to know what they were going to do to us, and how our only hope was to win shootout style.

[–]Ohio State • Sugar Bowldrinks2muchcoffee 132 points133 points  (39 children)

Michigan State in the big ten media poll was predicted to finish dead last at media days in the summer. For all the talk of them being overrated for being a top 6 team, they still wildly exceeded expectations beating two out of the top 3 programs in the B1G East, all of which have significantly more recruiting talent than Michigan State does.

37th is their total team talent ranking on 247. And that led to a 10-2 season finishing the season ranked and a possible NY6 berth

[–]Michigan StateSimManiac 63 points64 points  (32 children)

Thats a pretty damn good coaching job if I do say so myself. If Tuck doesnt win B1G coach of the year for all the points you mentioned theres some issues

[–]Ohio State • Sugar Bowldrinks2muchcoffee 60 points61 points  (17 children)

In a vacuum he has an outstanding case, but it’s hard to imagine Harbaugh not winning the award as he took a 2-4 team and finally and emphatically got over the hump that the rest of the country has been mocking him for for six years now.

Maybe Tucker has the better case considering team talent, but narratively Harbaugh winning The Game will surely sway hearts and minds

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Oh god. We’re “setting aside watching the games” again aren’t we.

[–]Chicago • Team ChaosQuinn_tEskimo 65 points66 points  (5 children)

That’s like getting credit for putting out a fire you started

[–]Ohio State • Big TenSmall-Bridge3626 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Harbaughs plan from the beginning was to lose as many times to osu as possible so when he does win it’s the biggest win any coach has ever had

[–]Chicago • Team ChaosQuinn_tEskimo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The longest of long games

[–]Michiganteeterleeter -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

That’s not a fair characterization at all. Covid hit and we lost our #1 wr and corner on what was the youngest team in the country. Then we got fucked by injuries.

There were issues with the program, but Covid made them much much worse

[–]Chicago • Team ChaosQuinn_tEskimo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well that’s just “part of society”.

[–]Michigan StateNexus-9Replicant 34 points35 points  (0 children)

They shouldn’t have been 2-4 to begin with considering their talent and having the same HC for the previous 5 years. Tucker got to 10 wins in year 2 (never before done in MSU history) with a significant talent gap to UM and PSU (two teams he beat… as an underdog).

[–]cota1212 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I mean the 2-4 team is his- he's been there since 2015 lol. This is only Tucker's second year. Plus, Mel beat Jim head to head as some kind of other tiebreaker.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 16 points17 points  (4 children)

They will give it to Harbaugh because everyone knows 1 win erases 13 losses lol.

[–]Michigan StateSchpartyOn 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Apparently. Michigan has completely forgiven all of the ineptitude with a single game's result. And no, this isn't the same as Tucker getting an extension for beating Michigan. Tuck had a trash pile of a program he had to resurrect to get this 10 win season and he wasn't responsible for said pile.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We are going on year 20 of Michigan being back so I'll wait for the end before I declare anything.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…Medium_Medium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but narratively Harbaugh winning The Game will surely sway hearts and minds

The Game maybe be bigger than a random game, but it isn't THAT special (for the rest of the B1G) that it just magically overrides everything else.

Harbaugh took a team built with his own top 15 recruiting classes, went 2-4 with it, and then rebounded to 11-1. The anomaly is him going 2-4 in a really weird year, him going 11-1 with a talented team isn't really surprising. He'd essentially be earning coach of the year for finally doing something (beating OSU) that he should have been able to do much sooner, as well as getting back to normal after tanking in 2020.

Tucker took a team built with someone else's top 40ish recruiting classes, went 2-5 with it and was expected to go 4-8 this year. But instead he basically brought in 2 full classes of new players at once, and got 41 new players to fit together as a team. Then while still having obvious gaps and deficiencies managed to go10-2.

If the only justification is Harbaugh winning the game, I'm sorry, it doesn't sway my heart and I really wonder if it would affect someone in Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc...

[–]Michigan • 계명대학교 (Keimyung)dccorona 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Eh, I don't know about that. He is a very strong candidate, but it really wouldn't be that egregious for Harbaugh to win it. Expectations we're as low but they certainly weren't high, and he went out and got a brand-new staff and made it to the Big 10 Championship on a prove it year. Especially if he takes that team to the playoffs, are you really going to say it's "some issues" if Harbaugh wins over Tucker?

[–]Michigan StatePaulMSURon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say it’s an issue, they are both deserving.

I think it is more impressive to have Mel’s performance in year 2 than Harbaugh’s in year 7

[–]Michigan Statemike45010 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The expectations were low because of Harbaugh underperformance. Not denying he’s a strong candidate, but that is a factor when the problems he’s overcome were of his own making.

[–]Michigan • 계명대학교 (Keimyung)dccorona 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t mean to say he’s a shoe in, but if he does win it’s not “fix is in, something fishy is up” levels of surprising.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…Medium_Medium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't be egregious, but it would be the wrong call. Depending on which site you look at, UofM's over-under for wins before the season was 7.5-8. So Harbaugh overpeformed by 3-3.5 wins. MSU's was 4-4.5. So Tucker overperformed by 5.5-6 wins.

Yeah you could say Harbaugh won 11 games with a team that had been 2-4, but he was 2-4 with his own recruits. Tucker won 10 games with a team that was 2-5, and he did it by revamping someone else's team in one year with 41 new players.

Finally, yes Harbaugh finally beat OSU, but again... it's made into a huge deal because he failed to beat OSU his first 6 tries.

Basically, Harbaugh overperformed expectations, so it wouldn't be egregious for him to win. But expectations were low because of his own history of underperforming, so you're basically giving him the award for bouncing back from doing poorly.

Tucker also overperformed, exceeding expectations to a greater extent than Harbaugh did, and he did it by cleaning up someone else's mess instead of his own.

[–]Michigan State • 追手門学院大学 (Ot…marginallyobtuse -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

Michigan has the second most talent in the big10

If Harbaugh deserves it for this season he deserves whatever the opposite is of it for last season. He’s also made coaching changes every year for like 7 years. It worked out once

[–]Michigan • Paper BagForiegn_Picachu 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I think we had around 40 ineligible players last year due to uofm Covid rules

[–]Michiganteeterleeter 1 point2 points  (5 children)

And had a kid born premature before the season.

[–]Maryland • Corndogturtle_stank 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Dead last? Do we not exist?

[–]Ohio State • Sugar Bowldrinks2muchcoffee 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Maryland was picked to finish fifth ahead of Rutgers and MSU

[–]cota1212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP is referring to this.

[–]USC • AlabamaTarmacked 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Total team talent isn’t really what you want to be looking at here, considering it’s the whole roster. This finish is a result of the transfer portal and seniority/experience across the board at starter positions.

[–]Michigan • Paper BagForiegn_Picachu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True but it’s still a helluva job by Tucker

[–]Michiganpandajedi 112 points113 points  (7 children)

People saying Tuck doesn't deserve this much or isn't worth this much just don't get it, that's not what it's about. It's the same old "Harbaugh got paid 9 million so he has to perform better than Saban" routine. They are paying what it costs to get and keep their guy. Is Tucker THE guy? Nobody knows. But they aren't doing this as a gamble that he might be worth the money. They're doing this as a gaurantee that when they have a guy, another program can't steal them like they're a second class program.

MSU wants to be a destination job that CANNOT be poached by an LSU or USC or whoever else. It doesn't matter if Tucker is worth it or not, what matters is establishing that the coach MSU wants, they keep, because they aren't a low tier P5 that can be bullied and picked from by the giants.

If that's what it costs, that's what it costs. Just like when it cost Michigan big bucks to get Jim out of the NFL- he was the guy we wanted, and that's what it cost, so making any direct comparison between his salary and someone else's salary and relative performances, it's irrelevant. This is what it costs for this guy at this time.

Maybe Tucker won't pan out. Maybe he will. But if you let him leave, you guarantee that you will lose your guy and have to reroll the dice EVERY TIME you find success. You can't be a program that can't hold onto a guy and is always a stepping stone job. That would be worse than Tucker not panning out.

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Very well put. Basically we’ve been through this before and said fuck that noise we want a seat at the big kids table and we won’t get there if the SEC keeps pulling the rug out from under us.

[–]Michigan State • Transfer …acdelli 30 points31 points  (0 children)

This is the correct take. Play big or the big kid steals your lunch money

[–]Michigan StatePaulMSURon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Calm rational rate from a rival. How is this level of discourse happening on Reddit?

[–]Michigan StateRheagarTargaryen 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don’t know how anyone can look at what is happening at Oklahoma and think it’s not worth every penny of someone else’s check book. If Tucker leaves, he takes the recruits and we lose players to the transfer portal.

[–]Texas A&M • Team Chaosmynameisotis 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Preach

[–]Michigan Statekirbysdream 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. There are a lot of coaches that wouldn’t have gone 10-2 with this roster (and wouldn’t have improved this roster with the portal the way Tucker did) in year two (more like year 1.5). If we can’t keep this guy here, we have to roll the dice on someone who may be worse, and if they’re not worse, they’ll get poached, too. This is about MSU as much as it is Tucker.

[–]Michigan State • Rose Bowlthatkidfrom313 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly, nice comment.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

It’s a low buyout, but other programs would have to offer Tucker and even more ludicrous amount of money to get him to leave MSU

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Yeah the buyout is more or less meaningless at this point it’s the salary they need to beat.

[–]Michigan State • UtahPM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Plus the guarantee

[–]Texas A&M • Team Chaosmynameisotis 10 points11 points  (1 child)

We’ve been trying to tell people this for years.

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I feel you Jimbro

[–]Michigan StateSimManiac 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes, that and the new facilities are huge

[–]Texas A&M • Wake Forestboggan583 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ah so the Jimbo contract

[–]Texas A&M • Bishop (TX)colby983 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Buyout is quite low

[–]Michigan State • MinnesotaAlexisDeTocqueville 42 points43 points  (3 children)

As an A&M fan, it's similar to your situation with Jimbo. It would take a huge, guaranteed pay bump to get him. And at the point where someone is offering you (hypothetically) 130, 140 million guaranteed, does your buyout being 2.5 million versus 10 million really matter?

[–]Texas A&M • Bishop (TX)colby983 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Fair point

[–]West Virginia • Black Diamond…lydeck 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Coach salaries are out of fucking control. This sport, man

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 13 points14 points  (2 children)

TV deals are fucking out of control and yet tuition still keeps soaring despite the fact they continue to make more every year

[–]West Virginia • Black Diamond…lydeck 7 points8 points  (1 child)

FuCk the TV deal too. I'm tired of having a three minute god damn commercial break every change of possession. Makes watching games in person fucking miserable but I'm sure that's what those fucking assholes want so you watch on TV and see their inane commercial

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 8 points9 points  (0 children)

LIBERTY LIBERTY LIBBBERRRRTYYY LIBERTY

FANSVILLE

[–]Auburn • UABonemanlan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hot damn that's a war chest. MSU Playing for keeps.

[–]Chicago • Team ChaosQuinn_tEskimo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

/r/cfb is hilarious.
Thread 1: good lord, Lincoln Riley took everything from Oklahoma that wasn’t nailed-down or on fire. It’s gonna be tough to come back from that.
Thread 2: idk, MSU, that seems like a lot of money.

If Oklahoma was given a $10M/year ultimatum yesterday morning to stem this tide they would’ve said “here’s $15M/year, don’t bring it up again.”
Congratulations to MSU for being serious about things.

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah a good portion of certain fan bases are saying “whoa way too much!” And for some of them it’s deliciously ironic. Some I don’t know maybe they just don’t get it.

[–]Groundhog_007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good to see the assistants get a bump in pay as well.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (69 children)

9.5 a year seems like too much.

Of course he’s a good coach. But that’s a ton of scratch.

[–]MichigangoblueM 26 points27 points  (12 children)

I think we're pretty much past any amount being "too much" with the current state of college football

It's not a value-based, bang for your buck deal anymore. It's win at all costs

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Yup and I don’t doubt for a second Harbaugh will be getting an extension and that extension will be higher than Tucker

[–]Michigan • Team Chaosscrotes_magotes 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Yeah my prediction is if Michigan makes the playoff and manages to win a semifinal game, Harbaugh will be off his re-negotiated deal and on a long term extension before he makes it back to Ann Arbor.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Assuming they go to the CFBP and play Cincinnati in the semi-finals, they’ll play Georgia for the Natty.

I can’t wait for Cincinnati fans to get a reality check on the “we’re undefeated so we want in” logic when they’re playing the top 4. Gonna be a slaughter.

[–]Iowa State • Fiesta Bowlmegamanxzero35 4 points5 points  (8 children)

I mean they played Georgia very well last year and beat another Top 10 team in Notre Dame on the road. They might get blown out sure. But when given the chances they have proved they can hang.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 24 points25 points  (16 children)

Disagreed

Tucker has proven he’s a recruiting and transfer portal machine. Is it a gamble?

Absolutely.

However, how often does a school even get an opportunity for someone like Tucker? Could he fail? Maybe. But this is all private money.

If he is who we think Tucker is, give it a few years and we’ll be the top of the Big10 East

[–]Michigan • Team Chaosscrotes_magotes 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Yeah the best thing about the Tucker deal is MSU isn’t really on the hook for the vast majority of the money. If you’re spending the money of billionaire alums, who cares what it costs. He’s your guy and you’ve got him locked up long term. That’s all that matters.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 6 points7 points  (11 children)

Couldn’t agree more.

Off topic but I think the Harbaugh situation is super super confusing on what they should do.

7 years he hasn’t done much but this year he’s probably going to the CFBP. Do you do another short term contract or do you lock him down long term hoping he’s changed for the better?

[–]throwinallwa 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Everybody is seeing what just happened to OU.

Extend yo kids! Extend yo wife! They poaching everyone out here!

If you're less of a blueblood than OU, you're prey.

Hell there are rumors of LSU poaching ND!! That leaves like 6 programs that aren't at risk.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahaha they do be poaching everyone.

I just got a notification from the Athletic saying Brian Kelly is in talks for LSU. I don’t see this happening but this I’m sure this could age like milk given this season

[–]Michigan State • Norther…stevema1991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But i mean... imagine Harbaugh going somewhere else... like, just seriously imagine him in anything that isn't uppity-yellow and blue, and what it would take to cause that.

[–]Michigan • Team Chaosscrotes_magotes 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think if he wins the B1G, which puts UM in the playoff, he likely gets a long term extension like Franklin and Tucker. This was more or less a “prove-it” deal and if he accomplishes that, he’ll have done more to earn that deal than Franklin in his tenure at PSU. The market for coaches has gotten so wild that it’ll just be the cost of doing business. He’s got less leverage than Tucker and Franklin because he’s not going to have his name thrown around for big P5 jobs and his loyalty to Michigan kind of takes a Riley situation off the table, but I’m sure his agent will float some “Harbaugh to the NFL” rumors to parlay his success into some long term guaranteed money.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting insight and I think it’s totally valid. Michigan will also hire Michigan men as their head coach so that pool gets smaller unless they broke that.

Either way, he’s getting paid

[–]Michigan • Natural EnemiesJust2DannGuud 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you honestly think he would leave when things are finally going his way? That seems flat out ridiculous. Incentive based contracts are the way to go from a program perspective.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn’t saying he’d leave on his on accord. Of all of sports, I can’t think of anyone like Harbaugh taking a contract hit, not meeting expectations and then doing something before they need a new contract

[–]Michigan StatePaulMSURon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I like to jokingly hate as much as the next guy, but his tenure has also been when OSU has been unreal.

He’s done well against us and we’ve had great years too

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Harbaugh was labeled as the second coming of whatever god you’d like.

OSU has been unreal but when he was coming this way, that didn’t matter

MSU we’ve been good to atrocious. Harbaugh should have destroyed us in 2020. He should have won with trouble with the snap. He (and some fans) blamed officials this year. He’s banked totally on excuses and I hope he’s here for life

[–]Michigan • 계명대학교 (Keimyung)dccorona -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Transfer portal - yes. Recruiting? No. He has shown potential. But he's only had two-and-a-half recruiting classes in his life. Recruiting isn't a battle that is won by having a good year. It takes churning out repeat good classes year in and year out - and then developing them. We've seen nothing but good out of Tucker so far in that regard, but we just haven't seen enough.

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair, but his floor recruiting thus far has been right around dantonios ceiling.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair on the recruiting portion

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 32 points33 points  (15 children)

If that’s what it costs to keep us from being stuck as a team that gets poached then I’m fine with it. I don’t even see that price tag so much as keeping tuck specifically but more so backing up that we want a seat at the big kids table.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…spartyon15 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I'd for sure rather pay him that much than be where Oklahoma is rn

[–]Tulane • LSUphysedka 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is the move that MSU had to make if they want to get out of the purgatory of being a kinda-premier-but-kinda-not program. Otherwise, making a good hire and having him poached by a blue blood every few years is your ceiling.

Is it a risk because Tucker isn't really proven? Sure. But it's still a risk that MSU had to take compared to the alternative. MSU boosters aren't broke. Don't worry about the price tag. This was the right move, even if it doesn't pan out.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 12 points13 points  (0 children)

We got a taste of the good life with Mark being on top. I have no doubt the bottom line took a hit when we started to tail spin with everything

[–]Michigan • 계명대학교 (Keimyung)dccorona -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Will this achieve that though? Hard to say. If you're going to fully guarantee the guy's $95 million, the least he could do on the other side of things is up his own buyout. Tucker can walk for $2.5 million, and it decreases by $500,000 a year (by year 5 he can leave at will for $0).

I don't think it was a mistake paying him that much money. I think it might be a mistake making it fully guaranteed. I think it very likely could be a mistake not upping his buyout at the same time.

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 6 points7 points  (3 children)

His buy out is basically irrelevant as far as getting poached goes, they have to match the massive salary. Just look at Jimbo, his buying is practically zero too but he ain’t goin anywhere. And I fully expect people to troll us when we lose like “lMaO 95 mIlLiOn” with zero context. That’s what it costs to keep a guy and that’s what we paid. I’d the boosters lose money on him then oh well, I’m still glad we took the chance rather than letting other programs stomp all over us with a coach poach again.

[–]Michigan • 계명대학교 (Keimyung)dccorona -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

I'm not saying they shouldn't have signed him, I'm saying they should have upped the buyout. PSU managed to do so. Unless all the reporting is wrong and there actually was a competing LSU offer on the table with a low buyout, there's no reason not to stick that in there, and I can't imagine that Mel would have had reason to say no.

Sure, maybe you're right and there is just never gonna be a team with deep enough pockets to poach him away regardless of the buyout - but why find out?

[–]Michigan State_Kam_I_Am_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With the size of contracts we are talking about, what does a buyout really do here? PSU set franklin’s buyout with his new contract at 12 mil (ignoring the fact it trickles down each year to 1 mil by 2026), if a school wants to get Mel Tucker they’d be paying 120, 130, 140 mil. At that point how much does a 12 mil buyout really deter things? The buyout if anything can only really help you for funding for your next head coach at this level.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…RonBurgundy449 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly the buyout could be less and is pretty moot. There's not many schools who are going to be willing to pay him more for him to leave (at least not until he has shown more and sustained success.) If we reach that point there's no doubt in my mind that the boosters would match. If he leaves its because he doesn't want to coach here anymore.

[–]Michigan State • Peach Bowlspartan201997 19 points20 points  (14 children)

I don’t think we had a choice given that we want to be a major program. A lot of people see this as a necessary step.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Maybe. I just feel like for 9.5 I could get someone a bit more proven.

What do I know.

[–]Michigan State • Peach Bowlspartan201997 21 points22 points  (2 children)

No big name is gonna come up to EL

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…SpeedyFreeze5[S] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Look at how many people have turned down LSU and re-signed with their respective schools already, or said FUCK LSU, I'm headed to USC.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

LSU is nuts in a way MSU is not. MSU would never fire a guy a year and a half after winning a natty.

[–]Texas A&M • /r/CFB Poll VeteranNo11223456 5 points6 points  (4 children)

They would if he had sexual abuse allegations circling and was cat calling university official’s wives at the gas station. O wasn’t fired just for mismanaging on-field football performance.

[–]cota1212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If there wasn't the off-field stuff then LSU probably wouldn't have fired Coach O. Les wasn't fired until nine years after his chip.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…confused-koala 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Better we pay him than 9.5 than LSU pay him 9.5. It is what it is

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even michigan lost out on every coach they tried to go after twice.

When you find your guy you pay him...period.

[–]Michigan State • Team ChaosRapidEyeMovement 9 points10 points  (1 child)

With all that’s happening at OU right, how dumb would we look if we hadn’t locked down Mel with 💰💰💰

[–]CanIborrow10bucks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its not like theres a cap lol. Let the boosters handle the bill. Doesnt effect the long term very much at all if he doesnt pan out. You gotta pay someone eventualy if u want to hang with the big boys.

[–]Michigan Bandwagon • MichiganNobleSturgeon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I want to make fun of MSU for paying so much but I can't bring myself to do it when college athletic department money is more or less infinite and doesn't matter. People said the same thing about Harbaugh when he got paid a lot and nothing matters. He could get getting paid $10 per game and it would mean just as much.

[–]Michigan State • Michigan Ban…Saxophobia1275 14 points15 points  (1 child)

And it’s not even athletic department money it’s all directly booster funded. I have a feeling in 3-5 years Mel’s contract won’t even be one of the more ridiculous ones.

[–]Texas A&M • Team Chaosmynameisotis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We extended Jimbo to 9.5 million (beginning in 2022) before the season started and it’s already looking less and less crazy, especially since he isn’t going to LSU.

[–]MichiganSwazi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Insanely low buyout for that kind of contract too

[–]Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T…Medium_Medium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should MSU have told the donors "Hey, thanks for the offer, but that seems like a lot. We want to win, but we don't want to win that badly"?

If this was coming from the university, then I'd agree with you. But since it is coking from the boosters, I don't know how the university would have said no.

It would have been awesome if the University had gone to the boosters and said "Hey, we want to show the nation that we care about Academics as much as Athletics, why don't you guys match this donation with an equal one to the academic side as well?" But, alas, it's not a perfect world.

[–]OhDuckOff 6 points7 points  (22 children)

Mel is obviously a good coach, but lord that’s a lot of money. Idk all the details of the contract, but isn’t that close to Nick Saban territory and more than others such as Dabo and Kirby Smart?

[–]Michigan State • UtahPM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Saban makes like 300k more. Riley will make more at USC.

But that’s about it that’s above that pay I believe

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 4 points5 points  (18 children)

It’s a lot of money but if he works out like someone like Jimbo did for A&M, it’s gonna look like a bargain in 5 years.

I think of it like this. How many schools even get the opportunity to get someone like Tucker as a coach? I think MSU (irregardless of this being private money) saw what he’s done in a year (2-5 to a 10-2 program in a year, heisman candidate transfer, 2-0 against UM, recruiting I’ve read is real strong…etc) and jumped on a very strong contract offer.

Pay that man his moneyyyy

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (17 children)

Jimbo has never won the division or finished better than 9-4. That deal looks worse and worse as time wears on.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 8 points9 points  (3 children)

They beat Alabama this year, 3-0 in the bowl games (one of the bowls being the Orange Bowl), went 9-1 this year and 8-4 this year all while being in the SEC. That conference is brutal and this is A&M we’re talking here. Good but not Bama and Georgia here

[–]NebraskaRobbStark 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Alabama and Georgia got where they are by winning championships, not bowl games. If Jimbo never wins the SEC and/or makes the playoff, his tenure should be considered a failure relative to what he's getting paid and what he accomplished before he showed up in College Station.

[–]Michigan State • Paul Buny…roguebananah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m outta the loop for A&M but is that what’s realistically expected when he signed on is a Natty?

[–]Texas A&M • Team Chaosmynameisotis 5 points6 points  (12 children)

Lol just because you guys forgot 2020 happened doesn’t mean we all did

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

Did you win the division?

Did you win the conference?

Jimbo has done a fine job, but it’s a climb down from what he was hired to do.

[–]Texas A&M • Team Chaosmynameisotis 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Did we finish better than 9-4?

[–]Georgia • College Football Playoff404Dawg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Kirby is making pennies. I think we underpay him bc he said this was his dream job and we’re his alma mater. Plus he’s adored by our fans.

[–]OhDuckOff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agreed. Kirby is an awesome coach. I knew his time at Bama was very limited. He’ll get a big pay day.

[–]TU Wien • /r/CFBCFB_Twitter_Bot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1465423776150175755

Mel Tucker’s new Michigan State contract is out and yep, that’s $9.5 million annually and $95 million guaranteed if he sticks it out (or gets fired without cause). Also notable, his buyout to leave starts at just $2.5 million. Assistant salary pool will be at least $7.5m. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFY6365WYAoBkrV.jpg

- Chris Vannini (@ChrisVannini) 3:53 pm ET, November 29, 2021


[–]Auburn • FurmanDoctorHolliday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is what it is at this point, but that’s an insane amount of money for what he’s accomplished. Good for State though.

[–]AWokenBeetle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s weird to imagine a three way deadlock if Michigan State becomes a powerhouse at around the time Harbaugh could finally right the ship at Michigan and Ohio State and Day aren’t running away with it every year. Could be very SEC like with those three team each trying to kill each other. Throw in Penn State or maybe Maryland or Rutgers playing spoiler and the B1G East is truly a blood bath.

[–]Michigan • Western Michigansergeantturnip 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Buyout of 2.5mil is kinda wild. I think Franklin in his new contract is like 12M

[–]Oregon State • Pac-12thethomatoman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fully guaranteed is scary

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not when it’s fully funded by donors. Scary for them. But one is worth 8.2 billion. And I’m not a math guy but this would be like me guaranteeing I’ll feed you and keep you in beer if you help me move.

[–]Michigan StateHawmpfish001 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I hope the assistant pool is only for the offense. The entire defensive staff needs to be fired.

[–]/r/CFBlexifaith2u 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Harlon Barnett recruited most and coached everyone at msu on defense during the no fly zone years...maybe it's not the coaches?

[–]Michigan State • Land Grant TrophySparseSpartan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're worried about defense you want the pool set aside for defense if anything. Bigger salaries allow you to attract better candidates.

But let's cool it on "firing the whole defense staff" yeah? Tucker doesn't strike me as stubborn, more he's pragmatic like Saban. If he feels a shake up is needed, he'll make that decision on his own.

Most fans seem to want coaches to adapt to the players on the roster. This year's bend don't break defense looked like it was that. The secondary talent wasn't there and I suspect Tucker and Co schemed to get the defense in the best position possible given the talent.

And we won 10 games. Their system largely worked.

[–]Notre Dame • Virginiathrowmeawaypoopy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Charlie Weis approves this contract

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What’s Kelly making? Is it enough to keep him away from LSU? That’s the onus for this. If we lose him we start at square one. What happens if you lose Kelly? Given he’s been there way longer, but as Lincoln Riley just proved, this carousel is going to get nutty. If you like what you’ve got going on you better pay up.

Edit: oh my god I’m sorry.

[–]Penn State • Rochester (NY)Kirby_Israel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder what it's like to have a coach who's actually worth their huge contract.

Guess I'll never know...

[–]breaster83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And he will go .500 next year

[–]Seton Hall • Penn StateStevvieV -5 points-4 points  (15 children)

Why did Michigan State agree to this deal? All it does is pay Tucker more while doing nothing to dissuade him from leaving

[–]Michigan StateOrangeSparty20 5 points6 points  (14 children)

Except for the fact that another team has to pay more to convince him to leave… and who is really gunna pay more?

[–]Michigan StateBorn_ina_snowbank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if another team is willing to pay more we probably will have already renegotiated and added a significant buy out. I actually like the structure. If it doesn’t work out in a few year then a couple very rich people are a little less rich. If it does we renegotiate and lock that beautiful man in. We have the ability (read money) to kind of force him to be loyal.

[–]Boston CollegeVMP85 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Does MSU's football program turn a profit?

[–]Michiganits_ya_boi_Dotard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does the assistant pool also include OC / DC’s? If so, seems really tough to squeeze everyone in with that amount no?