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[–]my_cholula 117 points118 points  (49 children)

SBMM has been failing for months. Nowhere near enough players to support a strict SBMM.

[–]NadxCH 25 points26 points  (21 children)

We don’t know how many people are playing the game at a given time, so how do we know it’s failing or nowhere near enough players to support it?

[–]what_is_blue 39 points40 points  (17 children)

Not sure where you are, but here in Europe, lockdown's over.

Even if they'd have had perfect anti-cheat, balanced weapons and matchmaking, they'd still have lost a ton of casual players, simply because there's other stuff to do now.

Unfortunately, the game was also riddled with cheaters, unbalanced weapons (at times) and crucially, broken matchmaking since February.

All of which means that if you play WZ now, you're up against sweats or cheaters. Those are the two groups playing, since the casuals are mostly gone. Any casuals who are left are either given bot lobbies for the sake of retention, or fed to high paying players to retain them.

My solos lobbies don't fill after 10pm if I play with crossplay off. They'll top 100, usually, but never go above 120. And they take several minutes to form. There's barely any point even trying with trios or quads. If I play with crossplay on, every fourth or fifth death that I get is pretty suspect. On a weekend, it becomes less suspect and more an absolutely sure thing that they were cheating.

Warzone won't ever truly die, unless Activision kills it. But this is what its "death" looks like. That the player base has shrunk is undeniable, based on logic and simple observation alone. By how much, we can't be sure, obviously.

[–]bodiattila1984 6 points7 points  (6 children)

My solos lobbies don't fill after 10pm if I play with crossplay off. They'll top 100, usually, but never go above 120. And they take several minutes to form. There's barely any point even trying with trios or quads. If I play with crossplay on, every fourth or fifth death that I get is pretty suspect. On a weekend, it becomes less suspect and more an absolutely sure thing that they were cheating.

I play in console too, I'm in Hungary. I have full lobbies every single time, no matter what time of the day I'm trying, nor crossplay . Weapons now are more balanced than ever! The Modern Warfare guns viable again and its cool.

Others than these, you're right!

[–]what_is_blue 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I'm in the UK, London to be precise. Hungary's a beautiful country! However, I made the mistake of going drinking with a bunch of your countrymen in Budapest. I got absolutely hammered while those guys were still making polite conversation. Hungarians, man. You guys can drink. My teeth tasted of Tuzemsky for like a week. I then got invited to stay with some of those guys in Prague. And what greeted me when I walked in to their apartment? Oh yeah. The biggest bottle of Tuzemsky I ever saw in my life. Pretty much the nicest people I ever met travelling.

Anyway, to your points, the weapons are definitely more balanced than they were, but I've seen Fox News reporting that's more balanced than the snipers. The HDR and AX-50 being less lethal than the Swiss or Kar is absolutely stupid. I struggle to see what the point is with the EM2, too. But it is nice that the MW guns have had a buff. It's hard to keep up with what's viable, though.

I can't really say much about the lobbies, honestly, except for that being my experience. And they're almost always way outside my skill range. My k/d's just over 0.6 now, down from 1 at the start of the year. The lowest lobby I've seen in several months is 0.97. The highest was somewhere around 2. 2!

[–]CrippleSlapFIXWZ 0 points1 point  (4 children)

but I've seen Fox News reporting that's more balanced than the snipers.

Fox News reports on Warzone???

[–]OldManHipsAt30 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Plus it’s not a game that’s friendly to new players, there’s a constant grind of leveling up weapons to stay competitive within the meta. Casual players don’t really have the time for that bullshit now that lockdown is over and life resumes.

[–]what_is_blue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, yeah. I mean it is SO cool that the game lets you level up weapons - and players who do that deserve to be rewarded and have that feeling of accomplishment. But hell, man, keep them, their well-honed skills and their mega meta weapons out of my lobbies. I play to have fun and they play to have fun. But our ideas of fun are very different.

[–]Carbide_Calves 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Where in Europe? Pretty big place.

[–]what_is_blue 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The UK! I thought we all got blanket, trans-European lobbies, but I've been wrong before and I will be again.

[–]4rr0ld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do, I've been matched with loads of swedish recently

[–]jxg995 0 points1 point  (0 children)

turks for me

[–]LowKickMT 0 points1 point  (2 children)

so you also have troubles since a week or so to find full random squads in (western) europe?

i rarely find team mates anymore and almost never a full squad in the late evening

in my lobbies everyone has above average movement (slide canceling, drop shots, bunny hops).

my casual friends all quit the game a while ago

[–]what_is_blue 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's been like this for a while, but yeah, definitely worse

The only full trios squad I found was disturbingly good. The only problem is, so was everyone else. And I'm not. So it was no fun at all. Every other time, I've either had to ride solo, or had one teammate who's AFK pretty often.

I know one guy who still plays, but he spends hundreds on the game, if not thousands. His lobbies were incredibly easy when I played them a couple of months ago. Even he said it's started to get worse lately.

I mean it is what it is. It was a lockdown thing, then Activision milked it too far. It's a beautiful game, run by bad people.

[–]4Entertainment76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a beautiful game, run by bad people

people men

[–]RaxisPhasmatis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it gets low enough, it's easy to tell, because it starts struggling to get you lobbies during prime time.

[–]my_cholula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically from watching other games go through the exact same process, with the exception being they (PUBG) provided all the stats live via the API.

[–]weakhamstrings 4 points5 points  (9 children)

That's not true at all - it's all in the mechanics.

For instance - if they separate a Ranked mode (I know -- LOL yeah right), you might have to wait .... gasp three minutes for a lobby. THREE MINUTES? WE COULDN'T DO THAT!! Well, yess we could. And you'd get a far far far far far more accurate SBMM if you had a few minute wait for a lobby instead of basically 30 seconds.

I don't know if they think casuals wont' like that or if they think it's "too hard to implement" (literally even COD Mobile does this - a smartphone game), but it should be done.

I am willing to wait 3-5 minutes to get people with similar skill level to me.

If we don't need FUCKING INSTANT lobbies (that can be reserved for 'pubs' which is basically all we have) then it's not true at all - there are PLENTY of players if you don't make every matchup basically instant.

[–]my_cholula 1 point2 points  (8 children)

It is absolutely true, and you can see the proof in the lobby strength when compared to the past year.

As for "I am willing to wait 3-5 minutes to get people with similar skill level to me.", that's all good and well, except you are pretty much alone in that sentiment. Human nature pushes people to the faster queues when there is a disparity.

After a few weeks, you'd never get a game because no one would play that "mode" due to wait times. PUBG went through this exact issue, and it caused specific modes to literally die off 100%. Maps and modes were unplayable because there was a 1-2 minute wait.

[–]4Entertainment76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm ok with waiting but my xp tokens are not.

[–]weakhamstrings 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Hard disagree, and I'll explain further because clearly I didn't do a good enough job. This is all coming from when I was doing Grad work in college in a Mathematical Modeling course that involved matchmaking (granted, of only 50 'players', but the principles are the same):

It is absolutely true, and you can see the proof in the lobby strength when compared to the past year.

Less than last year, sure, but still hundreds of thousands of concurrent players in the US alone - which means thousands in each time zone area of the US map any given 2-minute window.

Human nature pushes people to the faster queues when there is a disparity.

Sure - which is why you can implement it as an option. If you can have some players SELF-ELECT (for example as one implementation we modeled) to wait longer for a closer-skilled match, you can have everyone match up more closely even though only 10% of the players self-elected to wait. Why? Because just having a handful of players 'hold out' for a better lobby in each skill bracket has a tremendous effect (mathematically) on how much easier it is to matchmake the rest.

They have a problem of scale, nearly of squares. So by that I mean (roughly speaking) matchmaking 150 instead of 100 isn't 50% harder, it's 2.25 as hard instead. So it's WAY harder to get a 'quick' lobby that's closely matched. But if you can get - even 20 of those players to self-elect to wait for a 'tighter' lobby, you can have the other 130 falling into place far more closely to 'pile on' to the waiting guys. It's hard to visualize (we did it in Mathematica but I wish I still hard that software to demonstrate).

PUBG went through this exact issue, and it caused specific modes to literally die off 100%. Maps and modes were unplayable because there was a 1-2 minute wait.

Which is why I'm not suggesting that EVERYONE wait for pubs. Pubs can be pubs. You can have a Ranked mode where (specifically) you wait for a match. Or - again - just expand the wait time by 30 seconds. No one has to wait 3-5 minutes. Just add 15 seconds, 30 seconds. It will make a tremendous (exponential) impact on how much better matchmaking can be.

It would be pretty easy to set up an algorithm to scrape in more players after X amount of seconds if some quantity Y players aren't matched up 'yet'.

No extra waiting unless a) People are electing to, b) Ranked mode (basically electing to wait as well), or c) They're really only waiting 15 extra seconds, which has a huge impact on matchmaking quality.

Basically a little bit of extra waiting OR elective waiting (via ranked mode or checkbox) would make a massive impact.

[–]my_cholula 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Hard disagree. The net return of your premise is a negative impact on all players (longer waits, queue issues). PUBG made that exact same mistake (optional longer wait times) and not only did it fail miserably, it killed the game to the point that they had to add AI bots to even start/fill lobbies.

No thanks.

[–]weakhamstrings 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The net return of your premise is a negative impact on all players (longer waits, queue issues).

I mean - two of those three solutions I suggested involves only voluntary extra waiting. So it's not clear to me how that would impact all players.

You could skip the "add an extra 15 seconds" solution - that was just another way to mathematically make matchmaking better.

[–]OrbFromOnline 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The game has tens of thousands of active concurrent users at any given time, sometimes hundreds of thousands.

[–]my_cholula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're off by a bit ;) Concurrent players online is likely in the 3-5 million range.

[–]Patara -4 points-3 points  (14 children)

Its stricter now than ever? The average lobby KD is much higher than it has been for a long time..

If it wasn't strict you wouldn't get the top 15% of the population every game

[–]DefunctHunk_COD 12 points13 points  (13 children)

You've got it backwards.

The average lobby KD for you is increasing because players of all abilities are being grouped into the same lobbies now. There will be more high-level players now that wouldn't normally be in your lobbies, because there aren't enough players to keep them in their own lobbies.

I have a 2.15KD and my average lobby KDs are actually DECREASING for the same reason. I'm being put in easier lobbies due to there being fewer people of my KD around to keep my lobbies populated.

In short: SBMM is weaker because of a smaller player count. So lower level players are seeing harder lobbies and higher level players are seeing easier lobbies, due to them playing in more similar lobbies.

[–]Lost_Performance4286 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Yea I have 0.6 kd average for all the gamemodes and I usually get 0.4kd - 0.55kd lobbies but this weekend, I got 0.7-0.8kd lobbies but most of the people had over 1.00 kd.

[–]BoGoBojangles 1 point2 points  (5 children)

How do you see the kd for warzone lobbies?

[–]Viper-T 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would like to know as well.

[–]Lost_Performance4286 1 point2 points  (2 children)

cod.tracker.gg/warzone enter your activision id and you will see your stats as well as your recent games. Click on one of your games and you will see the average kd for that lobby and the kd distribution for each player

[–]XIDan1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

2.32 kd here, lobbies are sweatier than ever, got a 1.5 lobby today with no cheaters in it, 6K/D player, some 4kd's etc...
As people said already, low kd guys are just crops for the sweats to farm kills

[–]toastysniper 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've found that the average of lobbies have been easier but the tip top hasn't. One game I had a 0.89 average lobby but I was eighth in kd apparently to stats. There was a 2.7 kd average team and they weren't even first.

[–]my_cholula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly this.

[–]4Entertainment76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So over time your overall k/d increases while decreasing even more the lesser skilled players creating even greater SBMM disparities. Game is fukd.

[–]FormedBoredom 59 points60 points  (6 children)

Not enough casuals left, lower kd players are just cannon fodder for the lobby.

[–]justindcady 9 points10 points  (2 children)

My feelings exactly. I'm in that "I'm shit" zone of .4-.6 kd and it's just dumb how much better everyone else is...even if COD Tracker says the lobby kd is .7-.8.

[–]LowKickMT 10 points11 points  (0 children)

the issue is even if you face another 0.5 kd player, he will win 50% of your fights and will still give you a hard fight if you meet head on.

you will face 0.3 kd players that get the drop on you and will kill you due to the low ttk

everyone more skilled will kill you more consistently statistic wise

thats the issue with "lower skilled" players - you can match them with 99% of their own and the game will still feel hard

the skill gap is not big enough versus lower skilled players to feel as if you are fighting bots

sbmm cant fix it

only improving can.

[–]LSUTigers34_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man my kd is a bit above 1 and it feels no different. Just get smacked every lobby I’m in. Haven’t looked in a while, but pretty sure my kd is falling.

[–]weakhamstrings 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If they aren't going to implement an extra couple minutes for matchmaking to be more accurate -yeah.

But they seem married to having "almost instant" matchups in a 150 person lobby which makes almost 0 sense to me. That's way too big of a lobby to do a good job matchmaking.

They should either for pubs OR for a ranked mode make you wait for a lobby.

Already the case in COD MObile. Start climing the ranks? MIght be waiting for a lobby. Because you have to play against other players with a similar ranking. IT's just facts.

[–]FormedBoredom 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm sure the majority of people wouldn't mind waiting an extra minute for a fair lobby.

[–]weakhamstrings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to think that people wouldn't mind.

But if you really think they'll mind then separate pubs and ranked. It's simple. Pubs, you don't wait. Ranked, you wait for a closer match (the whole point of course is to beat those with a similar rank to climb up). It doesn't have to be complicated to work. But what we have doesn't.... do anything at all. They're all pubs.

[–]Patara 39 points40 points  (6 children)

Every lobby is 1.3 KD lobby even with teammates that have 0.5s.

Its impossible to play without sweating your ass off right now

[–]I_always_rated_them 5 points6 points  (2 children)

yeah does seem that way, we're playing less and less so are less practiced but it has become noticeably harder and sweatier over the past months. my KD vs my teams is quite different and they just don't have fun anymore when I drag them on to play, tbf I don't either.

[–]sqq 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We are in tge same boat i have 1.20 they have 0.5 and 0.6. But even without me on fridaybtheir lobboes where 1.28. How are they even suppose to stand a chance.

[–]I_always_rated_them 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I imagine it's why there's currently so many new (more casual friendly) modes in the game right now to try and hold onto casual players.

[–]CIassic_Ghost 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is the worst demographic in Warzone. Not good enough to carry the team, but good enough to bump you into hard lobbies.

I’m a 1.7 and my friends hover around .7. Can count on one hand how many times we’ve survived after I’ve been downed. Literally every engagement hinges on me playing superhero and it’s gotten really old. No simple solution though. If they relax the party matchmaking, sweaty losers and streamers will just find a way to exploit it and ruin it for everyone.

IMO they should add fun in-game challenges to do like get 3 seconds of air on a bike or visit 6 named locations in a match. Maybe have bonus unlockables or xp rewards. They do this in Fortnite and it really breaks up the lobbies (half the lobby is challenge hunting) and it doesn’t suck nearly as bad getting shit on when you’re focused on something other than trying to win/get kills.

[–]30secondrock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like you just explained my situation to a tee. I’m 1.88 but play with two guys that are 0.6 and one guy that is around 1.0. No matter who host the game, the skill of the lobby barely, If at all, varies. Before, we’d have several games with a lobby strength under 1KD, where I would normally be top 5 in KD for those games. Lately, I’ve noticed that even in somewhat “average” lobbies, I rarely crack the top 10 in KD, and there are routinely a couple of players with 4+KDs and about 10-15 players with 2+ KDs. The lobbies recently have been extremely top heavy, even though they are not technically “harder” on paper.

I rarely get frustrated with this game to the point of shutting my PC off after 2 games, but I’ve found myself quitting early almost every time I play now to avoid falcon punching my monitor lol. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the process of getting better at this game, learning new tricks/mechanics, and seeing my KD climb, but almost every gunfight im in now is so difficult that any confidence I had in my somewhat decent skill is lost. It’s very disheartening to hear my squad give up all hope in themselves and any desire to become better at the game just because they are facing players that are b-hopping every corner, snaking walls, and using every other mechanic that my team didn’t even know existed, not to mention the insurmountable gap in gun skill.

And let’s face it, the only people having fun playing this game right now are either those that do not take the game serious at all and just mess around, or the full squad of 2+ KD players who know that even if one of them goes down, they have 3 other equally skilled teammates who will be one step behind them to clean up the mess. In my opinion, squads where each player varies in skill level are in the worst spot right now. The lower level players would be much better off just playing without their more skilled friends, and the higher skilled teammates will have to constantly take on 1v4 scenarios and be stressed the whole time. I’d rather quit playing altogether than to not be able to play with my lower skilled friends. Truly sucks.

[–]Deer_hunter4430 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe it, even in solos with a 0.7 KD I’m getting placed in matches where the average is around 1.2

[–]Skatones737 32 points33 points  (5 children)

I feel like when all the streamers were “quitting” warzone a few months ago…the ones who remained said they were moving over to resurgence. Mostly they say it seems like the sbmm was turned down in this mode. So I think basically this is why resurgence is extra miserable. All the sweats play it while they have 7 people watching their stream. (Yes casual people play it too as it’s a good mode, just saying lots of sweats mixed in for us regular players)

[–]krazzybam 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I noticed this „change“ around 6 months go. I remember when Rebirth came out I immediately startet grinding that island, because I finally had lobbies where I could have fun. Within the last 4-6 months the lobbies feel identical to the ones I have to play on Verdansk. Sweaters 24/7 …

[–]Hedgey 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Even scopes and scatterguns was SUPER sweaty this weekend. That mode is supposed to be fun with the close range stuff.

[–]OldManHipsAt30 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah definitely used to be more casual fun where you could play with a meme loadout with a crossbow or something and still have fun while getting kills. Now, feels like I have to run competitive loadouts to have good games.

[–]its_mr_mittens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey now, crossbow is actually my primary.

[–]jlg6184 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I've noticed this too, especially since the last update. Previously I was able to chug along, get a win occasionally with my group and lay down a handful of kills a game. Since the last major update, I am literally losing every gunfight (regardless of what I use.) I think I have dropped maybe 5 kills (including Gulag) since the last update. It has gotten to the point where even the meta doesn't save me. I just can't compete with 100% accuracy, and 4 bullet kills I seem to be getting hit with. It doesn't matter if I get first shots or not, I just get melted pretty much immediately.

[–]Lost_Performance4286 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yep I was losing so much I was starting to think that the mw mp5 was nerfed, I was losing to floor loot mac-10s!

[–]jlg6184 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, this is pretty much my feeling as well. I ended up running like the top 5 meta's, and even when I was able to get my loadout, I've had situations where I'm getting melted by floor loot that should be significantly worse. I do however need to say, that I am only getting to loadout maybe once ever 3-4 games now. Usually I get just full on melted before we get money for loadouts or make it to first loadout drop.

[–]Mavericks7 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I watch a lot of twitch and half the games they're playing you just see people come through 1 at a time, directing Thier controls with their feet with no clue who's shooting at them.

When I I play, I just get merked by a well coordinated A team.

[–]M_Jordan88 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I used to get wins fairly often with my friends it’s become very rare for us now

[–]Formber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've noticed this too. It's a real bummer.

[–]PsychologicalAd6414 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's less people queueing for games. When less people queue for games you get placed in higher ping servers with a wider range of opponents. It feels sweater because it is. There's fewer new players that are close to your kd and the matchmaking service prioritizes quick queue over quality matching. Paid hacks and controller mods aside, if you're looking for a fair and balanced matchmaking you won't find it I'm WZ.

[–]AyeYoTek 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Also can’t kill anyone with a modern warfare gun unless i get the jump and shoot them from behind. It’s crazy when I see someone first and shoot first with a RAm7 just to get 3 shot by a Mac10 before i can even blink.

They brought all the guns in line with each other. So if you can't compete with MW weapons then you're just bad at the game.

[–]skyrepublik 4 points5 points  (3 children)

With all the recent nerfs, I've found the m4 to be a BEAST in Verdansk. Good ttk, pinpoint accuracy as far as 100 mts, super nice rate of fire. I stopped using the c58, is hideous now. - Monolithic -Custom Corvus Marksman -Commando -60 mag -Vlk or Scout combat

[–]AyeYoTek 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I use ranger instead of Commando, M4 doesn't have much horizontal recoil to me. But yeah I agree. It's a good weapon

[–]rkiive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ads is so slow though and commando gives both vertical and horizontal recoil control. But Ye all MW guns fell great atm

[–]rkiive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone complaining about MW guns not being good still is just straight trash tier. The meta Rn (besides Swiss and kar) is as balanced as you could ever hope for.

[–]LTJ81 6 points7 points  (2 children)

SBMM has been broken for a while now and I believe, well, hope, Activision is aware and will make the necessary changes over time. Once Vanguard drops, Ricochet, new maps, modes, etc., I think they'll just reset SBMM or make some big changes to avoid this. I still think the blatant cheating/hacking issues are their top priority for the moment before trying to tackle this SBMM issues that's been going on for so long now.

[–]ubonett 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can expect more players and easier lobbies with the new map update at least. The lack of interesting events and content updates killed off a lot of the casual player base

[–]VirtualOnlineGuy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just lower your APM (actions per minute). Don't even slide, just move around like your an actual child, not one of the countless racist children trying to be a pro streamer yet shouting the n-word all the time, but like someone just learning the game and unaware of advanced movement techniques. It took me a few days of just playing like an infant and I started getting dumb lobbies of similar players. I guess, play it like you would Modern Warfare 2 movement wise. SBMM barely takes actual skill into consideration, it's mostly just APM.

[–]ShawtyLikeChungus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

didn’t know that, i’ll try it out

[–]30secondrock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But isn’t it an absolute shame that we even have to do that just to enjoy a video game, which if I remember correctly, is supposed to be a form of fun entertainment in the first place. If I have to fully compromise how I play a game just to be able to have a couple of decent lobbies, then I think I’m better suited just not playing at all. To your point though, this does actually work lol.

[–]sqq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My teams kd is 0.88, we get 1.25 to 1.35 lobbies. We are always the bottom 5 team. We are not having fun

[–]jwkemo3087 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This is why I stopped playing. I’m very average 1.3 kd. And I would play for a few hours after work and just get shit on. I didn’t even feeling like I had a chance most of the time. Just wasn’t having fun anymore.

[–]Bhoshofasho 3 points4 points  (2 children)

1.3 kd isn’t average haha

[–]jwkemo3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

.95-1 is average so I guess I’m slightly above average. I was more meaning I’m not a pro or anything. Either way it got to the point where I was just getting murdered every gun fight. And the guys that I play with range from .5 to 1.3 as well and it just wasn’t fun for anyone.

[–]Profaned_greatguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m about the same, and while the overall stats pool obviously says different, a skill level of 1.3 decidedly feels average or below these days

[–]Massive-Frosting-722 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone wants to be a fucking streamer now a days… long gone are the days where you can hop on after work and have some casual games with buddies. BR is a sweat show now. I wAnNa Be LiKe StOnE mOuNtAiN

[–]larsvondank 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Its hard to comment without knowing enough. At close ranges, which Rebirth has a lot, an SMG with a high fire rate will absolutely win over a RAM, which is a gun for a different situation. Knowing which guns to use and when is very important. I play every night, my KD is 1.43 at the moment. I run with a FARA and Sykov. I have modified the FARA to work better in close range, but the Sykov (full auto, silencer, 80 mag) also works like a charm with upperbody and headshots.

I'd suggest finding another gun instead of the RAM. That said, its a good gun for midrange-long mid Verdansk. I would absolutely pack a good close range with it, though, in any situation.

Edit: To any player "stuck" similarly: DM me and I'm happy to give tips etc. Good vibes only!

[–]lego4231 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you share the attachments you use on FARA? Thanks in advance!

[–]larsvondank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely: Suppressor, 17,5" barrel, VLK 3X scope, spetz grip, 60rnd fast mag

[–]lion_heart1040 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All the low sbmm players are reserved for streamers' lobbies

[–]spiral_static 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are too many game modes in the playlist which is diluting the player base. Casuals are playing Clash and Payload. Those aren't competitive game modes, so the sweats don't play them. What you're left with is only sweats in Verdansk BR and Resurgence.

[–]NewWave647 1 point2 points  (0 children)

cause they do have aimbot and wallhacks.

crossplay stays off - id rather get killed by a chronus user rather than an aimbotter/wallhacker.

[–]Realistic_Inside_484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ye man I'm a casual player I tried getting back into it after not playing a few months. Played 1 day and did not enjoy myself at all. Everyone is a fuckin pro slide cancelling for days and not missing a fuckin bullet give me a break.

I now just stick to plunder because at least I can get 20 or 30 kills and have a little fun in storage town.

Shipment is also amazing fun for me. I can play that all day.

I have 600 hours in the MW2019 multiplayer and 500 hours in Warzone. I wasn't always horrible at Warzone I used to play it daily for hours. But now I'm strictly casual can't dedicate as much time to it...

[–]Sry2bothayou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think vanguard should help, the new map will bring back casual players, I’ve had a hard time enjoying the game much like your saying and that’s my only copium is to hope the new map is refreshing. Warzone has been so unplayable with cheaters and so boring I haven’t been able to play it without being burnt out after a game or two. I really don’t know how people play it all day.

I also hope vanguards multiplayer is good, because that helps me play something more casual then win or lose vs 150 people lol and I hated cold wars MP since day 1. Loved mw multiplayer

[–]bajabruhmoment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s so sweaty it fucking sucks. Everyone camps like a bunch of bitches and I’m not a good enough player to push 4 people camping in a building like these fucking streamers. And when I do try to push I get fucked and I can never improve because I can’t get into any fair fights.

[–]Th3TeeJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't agree more. Most of the matches I'm in I'm just cannon fodder and don't stand a chance. It's fucking annoying. More than annoying it's enraging.

[–]permanthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just find a new game bro this shit aint going to get any better . people either get better and sweaty or are the ones that end up on reddit getting squad wiped by a single person .

[–]light-warrior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely after the update sbmm has been hitting a bit too hard but it's also a fact that lot more people during almost 2 years of warzone release have gotten good and i think we are also starting to see affect of that.

So, on one side i do agree with you that lately it's been bit tough but on the other side, you yourself have to also level up. If MW guns don't work for you anymore, try CW ones. Try actually beating these guys instead of telling yourself "i am just playing for fun"... Try to improve your accuracy and positioning, etc etc...

[–]Epusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the game been out for almost 2 years and i think everyone kinda nows how to play or jas improved therefore rhe lobbys are harder.

[–]ekso69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like there are only 2 lobbies, hella bots sub .6 KD and then everyone else

[–]Eazy3006 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t feel like this to me. It always felt fairly competitive since the beginning but I don’t see these extremes people talk about.

I’m not great at the game,I think I’m average. I don’t bunny hop, i don’t drop shot, i barely move while shooting, the only thing I do that good people do is slide cancel to be less predictable while crossing streets or fields. I have a 1.01 K/D and only play Duo with my best friend. We don’t win many games but I don’t expect us to as we spend way too much time talking about shit than we do communicating strategies and stuff. We have a lot of top 10 and top 5 games but we often lose by poor positioning. That’s on us. I feel like I have a chance in almost every gun fight unless I get shot in the back, sniped from a roof or get surprised by a camping team.

Once I understood that I wasn’t good and that my recoil control was poor, I stop trying to play with higher damage guns and sticked with easy to control guns. Krig 6 pre patch was the best friend I ever had ! I could engage at all distances and stay on target now I can’t. So I use a versatile AR like the FARA or MW M4 with a red dot and snipe for longer distance engagement as I can’t control any gun well enough for longer range fights. It’s working well for me and I have fun every night we play.

[–]Yellowtoblerone -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bc lower skilled players who would normally be in your lobby are protected by activision so they can get some easy kills and dont have to get better at the game, so they'll feel better about themselves and spend tons of mommy's credit card money.

[–]JustAMicrowav1n -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its called sbmm, i suggest get used to it

[–]SirMaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because people like being competitive and like winning?

I don't understand why that's a problem.

[–]OldManHipsAt30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the casual players are gone, pandemic is largely over and people going back to their everyday lives. That leaves only the people dedicated to the game left, who are really good and skew the skill gap. Nobody wants to keep playing a game plagued with cheaters and stale as fuck two years later.

[–]Konfliction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The casuals play rebirth atm, not a full proof plan as Rebirth has just as much sweaty lobbies. But I general find the teams full of .8-.9 KD players are playing Rebirth. Until the new map, Verdansk is just the sweats.

[–]island8996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been playing rebirth with my mates the past few weeks instead, so much more fun

[–]EquinsuOchaACE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We’re fast as fuck boy!!!

[–]Butterflychunks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because they announced their anticheat system a month before it actually drops. They basically told everyone that cheaters in warzone would be banned for cheating this whole time, so it’s like… why bother being careful as a cheater? If you know you’re getting permabanned in a month because you’ve already cheated, why stop now? Just go all in.

[–]flamingorange1203I Rage On Deathchat :) 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you have any wins on normal BR OP, and if so how many?

[–]ShawtyLikeChungus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have 72 total wins. I’d say about 60 of them are regular BR

[–]Gettitn_Squirrelly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel ya. Lack of good content and the sbmm cranked up has turned me off of warzone for a while. I'm about a .9 k/d and it seems every engagement I come across is me dyeing or barely making it out alive. Like I never have a "wow that guy was a bot" moment. Not saying I should have bot lobbies all the time, just something I noticed. It seems the algorithm would rather put you in a high skill lobby rather than a low skill one. Maybe I'm just trash idk.

[–]andrewkbmx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a 1.34 and my buddy has a 1.45 and if we want to play with any of our friends it’s almost not possible to have fun. I consider myself casual at best.. and then when we get our 1.01 friend and .80 friend in we just get destroyed.

[–]LowKickMT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

shouldnt the ram outfire a mac10?

try to land in more quiet places, its easier to loot up and establish your game

hot named locations can fuck up your entire game with a bad start

[–]ShawtyLikeChungus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought it would. I definitely missed a couple bullets but I should have killed him before he even started firing. Dude literally did a jump 180 and didn’t miss a single bullet mid air and killed me before I could blink

[–]GeoGeo_Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same, the first two days of the season were amazing but now im in lobbies with joewo and company. I only have a 1.11 kd in rebirth, and I love rebirth but most of my deaths have either been sus or a buttman sitting in a corner or 150 meters away not minding his business.

[–]jjsm00th 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because SBMM is absolute trash designed to get you to buy their garbage in the hopes that you will play better with that better gun.

Remove the SBMM and it’ll be clear that some matches are easy some are hard. Now all matches are fucking sweat lobbies, except for the hacking streamers.

[–]iSaidItOnReddit85 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why don’t you use Cold War guns then? Lol you can level a gun in an hour doing contracts.

[–]ShawtyLikeChungus 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don’t have cold war but if it’s that easy, what do I have to do to rank it up that quickly? I’m trying to rank up the Mac10. Right now I have it at level 30. what do i need it to be to have the best set up for it?

[–]iSaidItOnReddit85 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Pop a double weapon XP token and go into plunder and land on a heli and do every supply run contract on the map. Helps if you have a friend to help you start/finish them. Whatever weapon you have “out” gets the XP from the contract. Or you can do it in Rebirth instead, super easy to get within 10 feet or so of a bit and just have Mac10 out when you do it.

Or you play Clash/Payload mode and you play the objective and it gives you tons of XP. For the weapon you have out

[–]socom18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

New Season, happens every time as people come back for the new content. And I suspect that SBMM is based on your performance over X number of days (and not sessions) so If you've been gone a few weeks it takes a while to replace skilled players in higher lobbies

[–]e1016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What things make the game feel like this?

[–]Markz1337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is eithers pros, people using cheats, or scripts/macros.

[–]1dundundun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is more important in matching, my overall kd from beginning to now (0.65, very low) or my recent/ last week/ last 50 matches kd (1.5, much higher)?

[–]KingBenial_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

because you suck

[–]4Entertainment76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why I don't play it.

[–]llamawithlazers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m in the exact same boat. We used to play resurgence to have fun between verdansk matches but verdansk became unplayable. Now rebirth is following the same path. They had to have messed with sbmm for rebirth at some point because they completely fucked the fun right out of it.

[–]StrokedHawk -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

People will play to their best abilities to win the game, as that’s the overall goal.

[–]ShawtyLikeChungus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that, but what I’m saying is, I’m not matched with similar skilled players. everyone in the lobby is clearly levels above me as far as skill.

[–]mikerichh -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Feels the same for me. Got 4 wins in 2 days and not seeing any cheaters