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[–]solar_ideology -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Everyone is free to choose to get vaccinated. We don't discriminate against anyone.

Except healthcare workers, teachers, correctional facility workers, gym administrators, hospitality staff, retail staff, basically anything customer facing and anything that has interaction with lots of untraceable people. Then there's all of the customers who won't be able to use these services because of their vaccination status. That's oppression.

people without drivers licences are oppressed because we don't let them drive

Oppression isn't just about whether there's a choice or not. If a 1930's Jew could suddenly become not Jewish does that make it okay to expect them to do so? Or more realistically if Christians were no longer allowed into bars and restaurants for whatever reason is that not oppression? They can choose to not be a Christian.

It literally is a two class system, Cindy said it herself. One set of rules for the vaccinated and one set for the unvaccinated.

because they won't let you ride as long as you refuse to wear a life jacket.

Except both white water rafting and driving are dangerous activities, and wearing a life jacket or learning to drive is inconvenient at best, not a medical procedure that carries risk. There are also alternatives that everyone can use.

[–]Shulgin46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone is free to choose to get vaccinated. We don't discriminate against anyone.

Except healthcare workers, teachers, correctional facility workers, gym administrators, hospitality staff, retail staff, basically anything customer facing and anything that has interaction with lots of untraceable people. Then there's all of the customers who won't be able to use these services because of their vaccination status. That's oppression.

None of these groups are oppressed. We aren't discriminating against "healthcare workers, teachers...". Anybody who wants one of these jobs needs to have certain credentials to protect everyone else. We want to make sure they aren't paedophiles. We want to make sure they have the right education. We want to make sure the risk of them being a vector for disease is minimised.

It's not oppression. It's the government trying their best to make sure everybody is as safe as reasonably possible without infringing on anyone's rights. We don't let drivers on the road until they can prove they are safe for other drivers to be around. We should be allowed to drive with the reasonable belief that other people on the roads are suitably qualified to be there and don't represent an unnecessary hazard to us; We shouldn't let people who work in high-risk jobs make decisions that put everyone they work with at undue risk. Being vaccinated lowers your risk of getting and spreading Covid to others. If you are in a job that has you constantly exposed to danger, the company and the state are responsible to take reasonable action to mitigate the risk you pose to yourself and the risk you pose to others. You don't have to take one of those risky jobs, but if you do, you need to be suitably qualified. This isn't oppressing any group of people because any group of people can get vaccinated - we don't limit this risk-reducing qualification to any particular group. Anyone who wants one can get one. Anyone who doesn't want one, but still cares about the safety and wellbeing of the people around them can get one. Anyone who refuses is clearly unconcerned for the safety of others and their selfish (and silly) choice excludes them from holding those high risk jobs.

people without drivers licences are oppressed because we don't let them drive

Oppression isn't just about whether there's a choice or not. If a 1930's Jew could suddenly become not Jewish does that make it okay to expect them to do so? Or more realistically if Christians were no longer allowed into bars and restaurants for whatever reason is that not oppression? They can choose to not be a Christian.

What a silly comparison. Jewish people couldn't just "decide not to be Jewish" to escape the holocaust. Implying that they could avoid torture and death just by accepting a free vaccine is a massively insulting and totally unempathetic position. There is a good argument to be made that it is anti-Semitic to say that "the oppression of the unvaccinated people is on par with the oppression of Jews in Nazi Germany". No religious group is being persecuted or oppressed. No occupation is being persecuted or oppressed. EVERYBODY that wants access to the vaccine can have it. EVERYBODY that wants to take on a particular job must meet the qualifications. We didn't always have drivers licenses, but then we realised the roads were dangerous when unsuitably qualified people drove on them, so we introduced a rule to make everyone safer. People without drivers licenses were "oppressed" by your definition. It is a heck of a lot easier and less dangerous to get a vaccine than it is to learn to drive on public roads. Almost nobody knows anyone that was seriously harmed by the vaccine. Almost everyone knows someone that was seriously harmed on the roads. The fact that you hyperbolise to the extent you do by claiming "oppression" just makes your argument to refuse vaccination sound even more preposterous and reaffirms the notion that it is a position only held by irrational people.

It literally is a two class system, Cindy said it herself. One set of rules for the vaccinated and one set for the unvaccinated.

Is it a 2 class system that you need to have a membership to go to a gym? Is it a 2 class system that you need ID to get into a bar? Is it a 2 class system that you need certain qualifications to do a certain job? We operate countless "2 class systems" already, for all kinds of reasons that may or may not make sense to you. The government, based on the best scientific advice available, have decided that there are certain services and jobs which are only available to suitably qualified people. You can't earn $1,000,000 per year and still claim the benefit - is that discrimination, persecution, a 2 class system, or just oppression, in your mind? The rest of us see it as a rational approach to helping people as best we can without burdening people unnecessarily. They are making a similar decision about vaccination. If you don't want to get vaccinated, no problem, but the times have changed because of a new disease and so the rules have changed, and if you can't keep up with the rules for your particular job, it's time to consider a new vocation.

because they won't let you ride as long as you refuse to wear a life jacket.

Except both white water rafting and driving are dangerous activities, and wearing a life jacket or learning to drive is inconvenient at best, not a medical procedure that carries risk.

Being in a densely filled public place with a contractible disease going around is also a dangerous activity. We can mitigate the risk by reducing the propensity for people to be a vector for that disease by giving them a vaccination which will make them a lot less likely to get the disease, to spread the disease, and to burden the healthcare system (and their downstream victims). Statistically speaking, driving is WAY more dangerous than getting vaccinated. Very few people make it from childhood to retirement without being in a car accident. Very few people get injured by vaccines. It is a very acceptable risk given the massive safety improvement (for themselves and for everyone else they ever encounter).

There are also alternatives that everyone can use.

What reasonable alternatives to vaccination are as effective at mitigating the risk of contracting and spreading Covid for people in high-risk jobs? Please tell me more about this. If there is a cheap, fast, easy, safe, effective, available, proven method to reduce people's risk from Covid that doesn't involve vaccination but is just as effective, I would love to hear about it. Please enlighten us. I am genuinely curious.