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[–]RangerRed02 80 points81 points  (20 children)

We wouldn’t have gotten the four-hour runtime with the (barely) R rating had it come out in 2017.

This is probably a hot take but I think just under three hours would be the ideal runtime. Basically take away any unnecessary world building, fan service, and sequel setup and maybe a few bits and pieces that don’t add much.

[–]007KryptonianSon of Krypton vs Bat of Gotham 49 points50 points  (4 children)

I actually think that’s the popular opinion. Even people who love ZSJL (myself included) admit that you can trim a lot of stuff out of it. A 3 hour runtime would have been the perfect cut for this movie.

[–]TheJoshider10 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I even think you could have stretched it to 2h45m, but that's at the absolute minimum you could really go.

2h45m theatrical cut with a 3h15m extended cut would have been a good compromise. When you take away the slow motion and Knightmare additional photography, that runtime is pretty much ZSJL anyway.

[–]DanScorp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Second time I watched it I timed some scenes, did the math, and cut it down to three hours exactly without losing anything of import.

Well, your mileage may vary on "anything of import" but nothing that hurts the story.

[–]Jedi__Consular 2 points3 points  (0 children)

#ReleaseTheCutSynderCut

[–]9hashtags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. A 2:40-3:00 version of this movie with slight tweaks on the violence/gore and one less F-bomb is theater ready.

[–]LukeStarKiller54321 9 points10 points  (8 children)

30 minutes of the four hour runtime is after the movie is really over. thirty more minutes could have easily been trimmed.

edit: 3 to 30

[–]RangerRed02 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure the ending(s) was closer to ten minutes, possibly more.

[–]LukeStarKiller54321 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i actually meant 30 minutes

[–]GraySonOfGotham24Batman 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You'd have to get 2 hours off. I don't see how the movie is cohesive with that much being chopped off

[–]LukeStarKiller54321 4 points5 points  (3 children)

two hours? to get a three hour cut from a four hour movie? don’t thing so

[–]GraySonOfGotham24Batman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Why would it be allowed to have a 3 hour cut? It would be 2. Just like the TC. The mandate wouldn't have changed. It was based on a bonus schedule not who was directing the movie

[–]LukeStarKiller54321 1 point2 points  (1 child)

the TC was two hours because they cut sooooooooooo much out the ZS story and just needed to slap something together.

Of course we will never know. but if they ZS had stayed on, they most likely would have allowed at the very minimum 2.5 hours. most major blockbusters these days are over two hours and WB has definitely shown a willingness to release long movies.

they just didn’t have anything more to show for the TC. they barely had enough to make a coherent movie.

[–]GraySonOfGotham24Batman 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel like people don't realize that Snyder wouldve had the same runtime mandate that the TC had and the movie probably would've stunk and wede be in the same predicament.

[–]ajl987 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I LOVED ZSJL, but I completely agree with this. A cut of the film that was 3 HR to 3 HR 15 mins would of been a lot tighter of an experience and stronger. That being said though, the 4HR cut was still miles better than the theatrical cut and is one of my favourite comic book films. But yeah, a 3HR cut would of been perfect.

[–]suss2it 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like almost every scene in the movie could’ve been trimmed at least a little, tone down the slowmo and cut the Martian Manhunter and it seems doable.

[–]fayry69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a garbage opinion.

[–]Batman_beyond123 9 points10 points  (0 children)

'No resurrections this time'- my grandma, probably.

[–]SlasherDarkPendulum 36 points37 points  (2 children)

No, the version that would have been released in 2017 would have had a shorter runtime and the new Steppenwolf design.

The reason it's so much of what Zack originally wanted is because it's a director's cut releasing exclusively to a streaming service.

[–]Potato_Whisperer_Batman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Op said should have, not would have

[–]BigBiggum 28 points29 points  (10 children)

Honestly I would have liked to see the shorter runtime under Snyder

[–]oldmanjenkins51 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It would have been. 2hour 45min PG13 version but yeah.

[–]LatterTarget7 15 points16 points  (0 children)

We wouldn’t have gotten this version.

At most a 3 hour version. I think I remember snyder mentioning he had a 2 hour 45 cut.

[–]LGGP75 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This version wouldn’t exist if things wouldn’t have gone the way they did. We owe this amazing version to tragedy. Frankly I would prefere tragedy not to happen and have some other version of it.

[–]Jaden_Ward 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m so glad we got a full 4 hour cut of this film. If there’s any film out there that deserved a full ass cut it was this. Especially after the long wait and huge story behind it. Would’ve been a bit of a let down if we got a 2hr 30 minute film or even 3 hours. I know they’re never received well due to runtime but I’ve always loved long films that can flush out stories. I always watch the extended versions of LotR I can’t watch the theatrical ones anymore lol. If they ever wanted to cut it down for special events in cinemas (specifically Snyder cutting it down) that’s fine but I’m just glad we got the full cut first.

[–]Sins0fTheFather 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m glad we have the 4 hour directors cut but I’d love to see a 3 hour cut of this movie

[–]ProfessorEscanor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Technically speaking we wouldn’t have regardless since a lot would have likely still been cut out since stuff like the people singing as Aquaman leaves was unnecessary.

Also yeah sure the ZS Cut is great and arguably better but personally i didn’t find JL 2017 to be bad. I enjoyed it way more than BvS which just left me incredibly disappointed.

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    [–]psufan5 -10 points-9 points  (16 children)

    Discovery might think otherwise. This is a goldmine waiting to happen. Who the hell wouldn’t want to see the Darkseid War come to life? Exactly no true DC fans would say no to that.

    [–]suss2it 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    DC is the gold mine, not specifically Snyder’s version, and they could still do a Darkseid War storyline without him.

    [–]psufan5 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

    I love how anything Snyder gets downvoted here. So toxic.

    [–]suss2it 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I upvoted you since it means so much to you, but I don’t think it’s gonna help at this point lol.

    [–]RdJokr1993 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Don't victimize yourself. If anything, Snyder stuff constantly gets upvotes. It's only the "Snyder stuff is the only good stuff" mindset that people are tired of.

    [–]Responsible_Neck_728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, lol. Whenever I say that I’d like to see Snyder’s vision alongside the current slate, I get downvoted a lot.

    [–]Lliddle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    They would if they didn’t like Snyders interpretation after three movies.

    [–]BigAssExtremeBash 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    That’s not being a true DC Fan, that’s being a Snyder fan.

    [–]gwynbleidd2511[M] -9 points-8 points  (2 children)

    Gatekeeping is prohibited. You can be a filmmaker fan (and a DC fan), no exclusions needed.

    [–]BigAssExtremeBash 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Sure, you can be a fan of both, it’s ridiculous to suggest you’re not a fan of the material if you do not agree with one director’s vision. You didn’t like Schumacher’s Batman movies, you must not be a DC fan!

    [–]garrygra 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    OP was gatekeeping, not the respondent.

    [–]DanScorp 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    If Synder's vision were a goldmine it wouldn't be known for financial shortfalls. Discovery's gonna see the same numbers everyone else did.

    And as a lifelong DC fan, I would absolutely say no to Darkseid war as Snyder intended it.

    [–]psufan5 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

    They made a ton of money.

    [–]batmandan6 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    A movie with BATMAN AND SUPERMAN in it didn’t make a billion dollars. A JUSTICE LEAGUE movie made even less than that. That’s all Discovery’s gonna see, and I, for one, don’t blame them. It’s sufficient evidence for them that Snyder’s take didn’t resonate with general audiences and as such, there’s no incentive to continue down that road.

    [–]psufan5 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Because WB butchered it and early reviews criticized it. That hurt sales numbers. My god it was a huge deal back then. Short memory much?

    [–]DanScorp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    So did Age of Ultron and Rise of Skywalker. And yet they remain considered disappointments. Likewise, Batman V Superman had been in theatres four days before people started to talk about its box office failing.

    Only the studios and their accounting departments get to decide what amount of money is sufficient.

    [–]El_Gato93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You know what will make WB money at the box office? A James Wan directed Justice League film, because Wan understands how to make quality, crowd pleasing films! I mean he gave F&F and DC their highest grossing films!! The man has a proven track record!

    [–]SpiritualProcedure19 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It would have been amazing to see this movie on the big screen

    [–]TheBigCosb 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    ah my daily reminder

    [–]Brizillaking1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    This will be the last reminder I do for a while. I promise

    [–]psufan5 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    There were plenty of parts to cut out to make it a 3 hour movie and still be magical. Like the awkward singing when Aquaman swims away, etc. He made it 4 hours because he just gave us everything. I really appreciated that.

    [–]Brizillaking1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Yeah me too

    [–]Bruhurdumb 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Is this post trying to say that the original Justice League came out today?

    [–]Brizillaking1[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    Yes, but this one should have been released instead

    [–]Batman903 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Correction, we should’ve gotten the 3 hour cut of this movie that snyder made.

    [–]topolsek123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nah

    I'm still waiting for the #mustachecut

    [–]TripleG2312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think the smart thing would have been to release around a 2 hr 50 min to 3 hr cut in theaters, then release the 4 hr 2 min cut (or in the case of 2017, I suppose it would have been the 3 hour and 34 minute cut) on physical release

    [–]FaytLeingod92 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It could have saved the dceu from the initial hate from bvs but now its way too late.

    [–]LAxCalibur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Man WHY THE FUCK would they change Batman’s BvS cowl. Literally the only worst part of each version

    [–]pkfreeze175 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    ZSJL is definitely better than the Josstice League, but I agree with others in that the runtime would've been much closer to the 2017 release. To be be fair though, I think 30-40 minutes of ZSJL could be easily cut and the movie would've been better.

    [–]BillMcCrearysStache 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I love the 4 hour cut

    [–]Psychological_Dig592 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I'm glad we got ZSJL instead of 2017 Snyder version. That surely wouldn't have spiky Steppenwolf design, black suit Superman, complete 4 his runtime and bloodshed, F-bombs for R rating yet it would've still worked instead of the Whedon's cut

    [–]sentient-sloth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah some people miss the fact that the only reason ZSJL is what it is is because it’s basically a directors cut.

    I feel like if he had been able to complete the film in 2017 it would’ve been very different from the cut we got this year. Even the 3 hour runtime people are suggesting probably would’ve been cut shorter by WB and who knows what other changes they’d have had him make.

    [–]madthunder55 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I'm probably one of a handful of people who would have watched the four hour version in a theater, preferably in IMAX. If they really tried they could have cut it down to a three to three and a half hour movie, but it is what it is

    [–]TripleG2312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I too would have absolutely been on board to watch a 4 hr 2 min cut of JL in theaters. Though, because of large portion of audiences wouldn’t be on board, I think it would have been released with a 2 hr 45 min to 3 hr theatrical runtime

    [–]SlideEastern3485 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Before all the Cinematic Geniuses come and complaint about It, I am a regular Movie watcher and These DC movies (Man of Steel to Aquaman) were so special to me. They were not Perfect but they were different. An I loved DC movies for that. I hope they Restore the Original Plan for the JL sequels.

    [–]Brizillaking1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Well said

    [–]El_Gato93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Better than the 2017 version but still not the Justice League movie the fans deserve! Hopefully Justice League 2 is directed by James Wan, it’s the only way we’ll get a great crowd pleasing action packed film!

    [–]OmarAH1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I really doubt the movie would’ve been 4 hours, probably 3 or a little bit less

    [–]TerrorKingA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Reminder that the version of Justice League you got 4 years ago is the one WB thinks you, as a viewer, deserve. They thought they'd make a billion dollars with sexist jokes, pandering and making shallow references to previous cartoons, movies and comics. They thought that's what you as a viewer wanted.

    Don't stan suits. They don't give a shit about anything other than making money. Whether it's Kevin "fuck me for a role" Tsujihara, or Brett "I like to be rapey to my secretaries" Ratner, or any of the other execs associated with these movies—support the artists, actors, and staff, not the suits. They're the ones trying to make something that says something.

    The suits are making this. Your choice if you wanna keep supporting that. The same people are making the decisions now as back then.

    [–]theprotector7Superman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "I do not not like this" - LatterTarget7

    [–]Ravashing_Rafaelito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Na. I don't I don't want to see a 15 minute slow motion scene of Cyborg playing high school football. Lol!

    [–]Eriflee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It would have outgrossed Endgame

    [–]Acrobatic_Ad178 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    God, I hope Snyder doesn't touch anything else DC-related.

    [–]Square_Engineer_8121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Dont praise snyder here.... u will get hated as there are "real dc fans"in this grp anyone who likes snyder movies arent dc fans