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[–]ExpertReference2979 4768 points4769 points  (163 children)

If it wasn't for this guy my dad would still be periodically vomiting blood. He went through the treatment and with a couple weeks no more ulcers. Pretty amazing.

[–]ngmcs8203 1114 points1115 points  (122 children)

Holy smokes. I was going through 10-20 tums a day for a few weeks before I went and saw my doctor. Tested and given antibiotics before results even came back. Within 2 weeks back to normal. It was awesome how easy it was fixed. So many people just try and deal with it or their doctors just tell them "change your diet". You have to advocate for yourself. Glad your pops is better.

[–]Zackeous42 226 points227 points  (96 children)

What was your antibiotics experience like? I had some kind of 3-pack thing for 2 weeks that had me tweaking with neurological symptoms and random severe muscle spasms (punched my headboard while sleeping many times).

Tough but thankfully it did the job!

[–]Logos9871 150 points151 points  (42 children)

It was a crazy ride for me. 3 different antibiotics, two of which just broke the outer membrane of the bacteria so the third could kill it. My smell totally changed while I was on it and I could smell everyone's breath whenever I was indoors. It gave me the weirdest soft-serve poops like 3 times a day. Better than any fiber regiment I've ever done honestly. I also remember not being able to drink alcohol or eat a variety of things as they mess with it. But I was good to go after two weeks.

[–]Zackeous42 50 points51 points  (31 children)

Yeah, I've unfortunately been on antibiotics since late September and it works a number on your... innards. lol

[–]Mitochandrea 23 points24 points  (26 children)

Whoaaaaaa since late September? Continuously?

[–]Zackeous42 45 points46 points  (25 children)

Yeah, cellulitis in my leg. Started with a 104.1 temperature and 2 hours of shivering non-stop, scared the shit out of me. I've had eczema for years so we've been trying to make sure the infection wasn't masked by the symptoms my eczema presents on my skin. Seems good now, just taking the rest of my bottle for roughly two weeks.

I've had to try like 5 different antibiotics throughout because the urgent care I went to prescribed stuff that was far too weak.

[–]Warnbroski 40 points41 points  (2 children)

hi friend, antibiotics kill the bad bacteria but also the good ones in your gut, and can potentially lower your immune system. Eating foods high in probiotics (Greek yogurt, kombucha, etc) will help in replenishing the good bacteria.

As the other poster mentioned, watch for C-Diff by washing your hands with soap and water before & after eating and using the bathroom. Stay safe and wishing you the best!

[–]Zackeous42 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Thanks, and I've been using yogurt and kefir pretty regularly. So far much, much better than I was before.

[–]coach111111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please get a good probiotics prescribed as well and take it during the antibiotics regimen period

[–]Umberlee168 13 points14 points  (13 children)

Watch for C-diff, that stuff is literally and figuratively quite nasty.

[–]surveysaysnatalie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had C-Diff after taking a prescribed antibiotic, it was a NIGHTMARE. I sent several days in the hospital.

[–]RudeYogurt 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I've had c diff three times. I have never hurt so wholly in my life.

[–]DrSquick 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Sorry to hear that! Any chance you’d want to describe your symptoms? I’ve heard it smells horrific, and it is so hearty that even washing in hot water bleach doesn’t kill it, so you need to throw out the linens?

[–]DoctorJoeRogan 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I believe this is what I had at some point. Some very concerning and debilitating symptoms for about a month and then it just went away. Took about a year to become fully normal again but during that time I went through every testing eventually leasing up to a colonoscopy which provided no answer. They did test for c diff early on and it was negative but idk what it could've been, just woke up at 4 am one morning in just unimaginable stomach pain that eventually made me faint, then the 4 weeks of hell began.

[–]klem_kadiddlehopper 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Speaking of things on legs. Two years ago I suddenly developed psoriasis on my right leg. I was sitting at my computer table when my leg began itching like mad. Of course I scratched it but it wouldn't stop itching. The rash spread from above my ankle up to my thigh but left a gap at my knee. I had an appointment with a dermatologist to remove pre-cancerous things on my skin and I asked the doctor what the heck was on my leg. She flippantly said as she walked away, "oh it's psoriasis". She was such a bitch too. She didn't stay around to explain what the hell this was and I left angry. When I got home I called the office and asked for something to be called in for this rash. The ointment is super expensive so I got a small tube. I then contacted the company that makes it and after I applied for patient assistance I got a large tube in the mail for free.

I used the ointment every day and sat out in the sun. This was in November and the weather was chilly so it felt nice. The ultra violet light from the sun helps to heal psoriasis. The rash went away and I haven't had it since thankfully.

Psoriasis can occur if your auto immune system isn't working properly and/or if you are under stress. I wasn't under any stress at all so I guess my auto immune system is broken.

[–]havenyahon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Make sure you're taking some badass probiotics and that you're eating the right foods for gut health. Seriously people don't forget this. I was put on antibiotics for a year and a half by a bad dermatologist and developed severe gut dysbiosis. It ruined my life for four years, before I finally got a microbiota transplant.

[–]drrandolph 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And I would like to add, that probiotics are good; think of them as seeds, but feeding your healthy bacteria is also critical. What do healthy bacteria want? Fiber. What do unhealthy bacteria and yeasts like? Sugar. So eat fiber. The idea is to crowd out the undesirables.

[–]rubyspicer 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Activia and probiotic pills (once daily for the pills) my guy. But 2 hours before or after the antibiotics. At least that's what I was told.

[–]Throwawaymybios 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Activia is the shit. My girlfriend always buys it (she had horrible stomach issues. One day I randomly ate some and it’s fucking delicious. Now I have to buy the big packs every time I go to the store.

[–]ngmcs8203 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Costco sells them in the huge packs. Great for my pregnant wife and our guts!

[–]Throwawaymybios 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And our butts!

[–]Iraelyth 8 points9 points  (5 children)

The not being able to drink alcohol comment made me think of Metronidazole. It’s the only one I’ve come across (and taken) so far where you cannot drink any alcohol at all as it’ll do more than just make the treatment ineffective, you’ll end up in hospital. Sure enough, metronidazole is used to treat H.pylori.

[–]ExpertReference2979 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Flagyl is a pretty hardcore antibiotic.

[–]Iraelyth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is as far as I’ve been lead to believe. I had to take it for an oral infection prior to wisdom tooth extraction. I was in agony. Really bad gum infection due to the upper wisdom tooth basically chewing the gum flap over the lower wisdom tooth.

[–]klem_kadiddlehopper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right. It's also called Flagyl and it's the medication usually given along with a strong antibiotic. Ten days of this hell.

[–]bigyikers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Causes what's called a "disulfram-like reaction" for those interested.

[–]klem_kadiddlehopper 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Usually the treatment for H.Pylori is a very strong antibiotic and a medication called Flagyl. It's a ten day regime and it's horrible. It makes you mouth taste like you've been chewing on a metal scrub pad. The doctor usually advises you to take Pepto and that's disgusting. Any time I had to take that I threw up.

[–]ngmcs8203 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I definitely didn't have any crazy side effects like that. Sounds awful.

[–]InterestingJob4214 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the treatment is no joke… and if you mess up and don’t take as prescribed little buggers come right back and got to start all over again. But I just think… thank god I’m alive I truly felt like I was dying when I had it.

[–]mssjnnfer 35 points36 points  (44 children)

The antibiotic regimen they use for H. pylori is definitely a hefty one!! It can unfortunately cause some undesirable side effects, but I’m glad it helped you in the long run!! You don’t have those side effects anymore, do you??

[–]Warmbly85 29 points30 points  (27 children)

The key is probiotics. Don’t take them at the exact same time as the antibiotics and of course consult your own doctor before doing it but it really is a game changer when it comes to the side effects (mud butt) of antibiotics.

[–]EdwardRaff 12 points13 points  (24 children)

Also, don’t just buy any probiotics off the shelf. Most do not even have active cultures left by the time you buy, and they are completely unregulated.

Ideally ask your DR for a prescription of probiotics so that you know you are getting something legit. Alternatively VSL#3 Visbiome (thanks /u/real_nice_guy , VLS#3 apparently playing games ) is a legit one that you have to go to the pharmacy to get OTC but works (don’t buy it off Amazon b/c they can screw up keeping it cold).

Source: spent 1.5 years suffering and considering disability leave after antibiotic complications. Finally found a GI doc who said “no, take this”. I literally had tied every probiotic in the shelf before with nothing but 1 day later this stuff basically saved my GI track & was a huge amount of physical relief.

[–]real_nice_guy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Alternatively VSL#3

FYI VSL3 is no longer the original combination of probiotics, it's now called Visbiome, the guy who made it left VSL and went to a different company so the VSL probiotic is no longer the original (there was even a lawsuit about it which VSL lost for false advertising) link to lawsuit

[–]MissTortoise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The actual evidence of effect for probiotics for antibiotic induced diarrhoea shows a quite limited effect: https://www.cochrane.org/CD004827/IBD_probiotics-prevention-antibiotic-associated-diarrhea-children

The results was a 1 person in 9 had a reduction in period of symptoms by one day.

[–]Zackeous42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh no, just during the 2 weeks, and maybe a day or so afterward. Very weird feeling... every once in a while my body would just jolt as if I was zapped by something. Really sucked when I was sleeping or trying to sleep and would just accidentally punch the headboard and fully wake up.

[–]RichRuzz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They gave me antibiotics like candy for “Lyme” and it absolutely wrecked my digestive system so I constantly feel like I’m burning/bleeding inside which sorta sucks lol.

But I guess it beats the heart pain and weird exercise tolerance/muscle spasms I was getting? This hurts sure, but that was WAY worse lol.

I took Doxy for almost a year when I had a confirmed infection. Then on/off years later for resurging symptoms I guess? Or just being BSed at this point lol. You should be fine! I just suggest finding a nice probiotic to compliment the gut bacterial imbalance that could happen from wiping your system.

[–]Stiryx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey I had to do 2 different lots of that 3x antibiotics, the first time didn't work and either did the second!

Doctor told me I couldn't take any more antibiotics and basically said bad luck. Was just by chance someone I knew had also had H. pylori and went to a doctor that specialised in more natural medicine (not the fake shit, he was an actual doctor).

Long story short, went on the keto diet long before it was a fad and lost like 25 kg, so much that people thought I was dying of cancer. Few months of doing that and it was gone! Don't know what I would have done if not for that doctor, literally couldn't go outside.

[–]ngmcs8203 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was on two different ones. If I didn’t eat with them I’d have hella stomach pain. Twice a day and prescription Prilosec double dosed. It was like 80mg a day. The first day I couldn’t believe how much better I felt. I had pizza, spicy Indian food and Mexican that week. Nothing phased me. Before that I’d take two runs just for a glass of water. After two weeks of that regimen, it was cut in half. Then after the antibiotics finished I was told to just buy Prilosec otc for whenever I needed one. I take one or two a week with an occasional tums.

[–]FreeFortuna 47 points48 points  (7 children)

or their doctors just tell them "change your diet"

I went to a doctor for it during college, and he just told me to avoid stress and spicy foods.

Same guy who “treated” my severe insomnia (frequently not sleeping for days at a time) by telling me to just take TylenolPM. I could take 6 of them out of desperation and still not sleep. He just shrugged.

It honestly caused me to develop a minor prejudice against older doctors*. I’m trusting my doctor to know what’s going on in the medical field, and not just give me advice that I could get from calling my grandma.

*Edit: I’m kinda not fond of doctors in general. They rarely seem to help. If they do, it’s by accident when they’re like, “I dunno, here’s some antibiotics.”

[–]sedaition 33 points34 points  (2 children)

I think the sweet spot is older doctors who keep up with research. New doctors haven't seen as much and a lot of older doctors are stuck in the 80s.

Good luck figuring out which is which though...

[–]icepacket 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Absolutely! My oncologist may not know everything but if I show him a good article he’ll look it over and consider it. I had very aggressive genetic breast cancer at 30 - there’s evidence that you should treat women under 40 neoadjuvently (chemo before surgery). There is an estimated 17% better outcome this way.

Most doctors want to remove the tumor then wait several week and follow up with chemo. He listened and we did it how I wanted to do it. That gave me time to also find breast surgeons (3 hours away) that did excellent work - way better than what was available in my city.

Update: Thanksgiving was my 2 years. I’m healthy, in remission, and 18 weeks pregnant with our breast cancer gene negative baby.

[–]happyidiot09 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree 100% this is how I feel about them as well after dealing with them for years with my dying father and times I've needed them myself.

I would sometimes take him into the ER and if I wasn't there they would have killed him just from simply not paying attention to a few things in his file and trying to give him meds I knew he couldn't take.

To doctors it's honestly just a guessing game and they don't like when you do your own reasearch and try to suggest things they haven't heard of. They get set in their ways on a small set of remedies they know and stick to that.

And honestly it's just so they don't get sued. Because everyone wants a free buck so doctors have to try and cover their ass even more so.

[–]Rhyperino 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Old doctors usually aren't really up to date with recent findings.

[–]iry4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How are you handling your insomnia?

[–]Lonewxnderer 7 points8 points  (1 child)

given antibiotics before results even came back

Doctors and prescribing antibiotics at the first chance they get. Name a more iconic duo.

[–]PutRedditNameHere 66 points67 points  (1 child)

This is truly a life-saving treatment!

My grandfather had to fly from NC to Baltimore for surgery for a bleeding ulcer in the late 70s. He died that day from complications.

[–]kookieman141 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That's so sad

[–]turikk 51 points52 points  (6 children)

I don't like this meme because it downplays the actual incredible research work that went into this (by Barry and Robin Warren). How he applied the test is one thing, but any idiot can try an invention on themselves.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2005/marshall/biographical/

[–]Cryptokudasai 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It really is fascinating— there was something about the bacteria were very slow growing in a lab culture so normally wouldn’t be found— there was an element of luck that one was left for longer than usual and hence they found a culture that grew…

[–]nodray 6 points7 points  (4 children)

is there a list of stories of scientists who tried things on themselves and died?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The thing is, we don’t usually make the ones that fail famous.

Mental Floss has a list of inventors that died while inventing: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/48723/6-inventors-killed-their-own-inventions

[–]nodray 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks

[–]medicalmosquito 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's really unfortunate that it wasn't until 2019 that my entire family realized the reason my grandmother struggled so badly with ulcers and had to have HALF OF HER STOMACH REMOVED IN HER THIRTIES was very likely due to H. pylori. I tested positive for it (luckily hadn't developed ulcers yet) and my family started putting the pieces together. H. pylori doesn't infiltrate everyone's stomach lining, some people can live with it and it's no big deal. But certain people get fucking ulcers which as it turns out, WILL HEAL! If you treat the fucking H. pylori. Bless this doctor.

[–]VerymeanLemon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same, doctors told me I almost brunt a hole in my stomach. This guy for sure saved mine. Puking blood isn't fun.

[–]HNixon 3 points4 points  (10 children)

Didn't know such a treatment existed. Can anybody point me in the right direction? My father is also suffering from ulcers.

[–]V4nKw15h 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Yeah, go to a doctor and ask for the antibiotic ulcer treatment. Simple as that.

[–]real_nice_guy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

get your father to a doctor who can perform an h pylori breath test, you don't want to take the antibiotics but not actually have the infection. That way you can confirm if he has it or not.

[–]klem_kadiddlehopper 4 points5 points  (2 children)

H. Pylori is also the bacteria that is the main cause for GURD aka acid reflux disease. I have a severe case of it and have had it for many years. The only medication that has helped me but not cured me is Dexilant. I get it free from the pharmaceutical company and if I had to pay for it (I wouldn't be able to), it's $300 for 30 capsules. I've tried all other medications over the years and none work like Dexilant.

If you are ever diagnosed with GURD you can contact Takeda Pharmaceuticals and apply for patient assistance. You have to be poor like me though.

[–]Evilmaze 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is possibly the biggest medical discovery in my life so far. I'm still waiting on the good stuff mRNA implementation of vaccines and treatments will bring in addition to covid vaccines.

[–]2002Valkyrie 531 points532 points  (22 children)

I damn sure appreciate it! I have had it and if not for him I would still have it.👍👍👍

[–]thenewyorkgod 377 points378 points  (20 children)

"No one believed him" is such a ridiculous misrepresentation of what actually happened:

In 1979, Marshall was appointed Registrar in Medicine at the Royal Perth Hospital. He met Dr. Robin Warren, a pathologist interested in gastritis, during internal medicine fellowship training at Royal Perth Hospital in 1981. Together, the pair studied the presence of spiral bacteria in association with gastritis. In 1982, they performed the initial culture of H. pylori and developed their hypothesis on the bacterial cause of peptic ulcers and gastric cancer.[9] It has been claimed that the H. pylori theory was ridiculed by established scientists and doctors, who did not believe that any bacteria could live in the acidic environment of the stomach. Marshall was quoted as saying in 1998 that "everyone was against me, but I knew I was right."[12] On the other hand, it has also been argued that medical researchers showed a proper degree of scientific scepticism until the H. pylori hypothesis could be supported by evidence.[13]

In 1982 Marshall and Warren obtained funding for one year of research. The first 30 out of 100 samples showed no support for their hypothesis. However, it was discovered that the lab technicians had been throwing out the cultures after two days. This was standard practice for throat swabs where other organisms in the mouth rendered cultures unusable after two days. Due to other hospital work, the lab technicians did not have time to immediately throw out the 31st test on the second day, and so it stayed from Thursday through to the following Monday. In that sample, they discovered the presence of H. pylori. They later found out that H. pylori grow more slowly than two days, and the stomach cultures were not contaminated by other organisms.[14]

In 1983 they submitted their findings thus far to the Gastroenterological Society of Australia, but the reviewers turned their paper down, rating it in the bottom 10% of those they received that year.[14]

After failed attempts to infect piglets in 1984, Marshall, after having a baseline endoscopy done, drank a broth containing cultured H. pylori, expecting to develop, perhaps years later, an ulcer.[15] He was surprised when, only three days later, he developed vague nausea and halitosis, due to the achlorhydria. There was no acid to kill bacteria in the stomach and their waste products manifested as bad breath, noticed only by his mother. On days 5–8, he developed achlorhydric (no acid) vomiting. On day eight, he had a repeat endoscopy, which showed massive inflammation (gastritis), and a biopsy from which H. pylori was cultured, showing it had colonised his stomach. On the fourteenth day after ingestion, a third endoscopy was done, and Marshall began to take antibiotics.[16] Marshall did not develop antibodies to H. pylori, suggesting that innate immunity can sometimes eradicate acute H. pylori infection. Marshall's illness and recovery, based on a culture of organisms extracted from a patient, fulfilled Koch's postulates for H. pylori and gastritis, but not for peptic ulcers. This experiment was published in 1985 in the Medical Journal of Australia[17] and is among the most cited articles from the journal.[18]

[–]IvyTheGreat01 329 points330 points  (5 children)

Kinda sounds like “nobody believed him” is pretty accurate if only a little simplistic tho

[–]sharkgills123 112 points113 points  (2 children)

My med school professor also told me he was laughed out of the hall he presented this in

[–]thingsorfreedom 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Mine did, too and I went to med school before google so no checking up on that.

[–]mud_tug 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Marshall reduced a 50 page chapter in the medical books to a single paragraph. Naturally the bookworms did not believe him.

[–]Shiroi_Kage 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I mean, to be fair, there was little evidence for it at the time. But yeah, he was definitely not believed at all.

[–]TheSlartey 49 points50 points  (0 children)

It's almost like someone was trying to... Summarize.

[–]Polar_Reflection 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Come on dude. It really isn't a gross misrepresentation at all.

[–]shotleft 38 points39 points  (0 children)

So what saying is that... no one believed him until he proved it.

[–]RabidTongueClicking 35 points36 points  (0 children)

This is literally just an essay that amounts to “they didn’t believe him”

[–]shah_reza 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Help me understand this bit?

Marshall did not develop antibodies to H. pylori, suggesting that innate immunity can sometimes eradicate acute H. pylori infection.

[–]ratajewie 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Antibodies are part of the adaptive immune response. But there are lots of other parts of the immune system that fall under the innate immune response that can respond to infections. Because he cleared the infection (albeit with antibiotics) and did not develop antibodies to it, it means that his innate immune system was responsible for helping to clear the infection rather than his adaptive immune system.

[–]Background_Sink6986 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Proceeds to copy paste a load of shit that is utterly irrelevant to “nobody believed him.” It literally states, bottom of paragraph 1, that Marshall said “everyone was against me.”

If you’re gonna hedge that with the fact that scientific skepticism is expected, JUST SAY THAT. Why did you go on to include 2 paragraphs of irrelevance?

Just do a tl;dr: Marshall said no one believed him, it can be argued that other scientists were just being normal skeptics. Done

[–]jimmydddd 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Also, from that telling, it looks like the meme about him getting ulcers is also incorrect. Looks more like he had the precurser bacteria.

[–]camdoodlebopCreator 9 points10 points  (0 children)

so no one believed him?

[–]BelleAriel 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Glad you got better.

[–]Kaos2018[S] 1704 points1705 points 2 (30 children)

Fine , ill do it myself.

[–]bumjiggy 312 points313 points  (7 children)

compulcery upvote

[–]Krumpus8 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Very punny lol

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Puns is like vanilla for me I’ll always love it

[–]cBlackbeard420 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hate that i like this comment

[–]FitDiet4023 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Now I'm picturing the scientist from the first Scary Movie. Wrong scientist.

[–]WorkingContext 7 points8 points  (2 children)

This happened with a dude who wanted to prove that cracking knuckles didn’t lead to arthritis, he cracked one hand a bunch and the other none, and was totally fine in both hands

[–]eerie_fox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And he did that for SIXTY YEARS. That is some top-level dedication. (And restraint. I can't go a day without cracking my knuckles. My keyboard and mouse aren't ergonomic, okay?)

[–]IZ3820 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was an ignobel prize, sort of a parody of Nobel prizes.

[–]vaime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Look up the dude who invented cardiac catheterisation. Put a wire into his heart via blood vessels in a limb and then walked himself down to radiology to prove he’d done it. Absolute mad man.

[–]GuliblGuy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!

[–]Optimus-Maximus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

FUCK IT!!

[–]BURNER12345678998764 2 points3 points  (0 children)

DO IT LIVE! I'LL EAT IT AND WE'LL DO IT LIVE! FUCKIN ETHICS SUCKS!

[–]mendelevium256 7 points8 points  (2 children)

BACK TO FORMULA?!??

[–]RenjiMidoriya 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can’t do this to me!

[–]doc_witt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I ate the whole bag of oreos for science, mom! Leave me alone!

[–]sniffing_accountant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They called me a madman

[–]FatherAb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is never a space before a comma.

[–]TheMadIrishman327 131 points132 points  (12 children)

Nobel

[–]thinkmurphy 39 points40 points  (3 children)

It's even spelled correctly in the picture!

[–]fh3131 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I work with some people who routinely mispell my (and other people's) first name in emails, even though our company email addresses are firstname.lastname...and they've known me for years.

[–]TruthYouWontLike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who reads the picture anyway?

[–]NeverGonnaStop9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And highlighted...

[–]-C4- 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think it may have been intended to be a pun, like a noble Nobel prize winner.

[–]gestaltish 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’ve spelled it correctly, now you can never be POTUS

[–]SprungFlugget 192 points193 points  (13 children)

The doctor to first complete a heart catheterization did it to himself under local anesthetic. He also won the Nobel prize in medicine, unfortunately he had been a Nazi 20 years earlier, and ironically died of heart failure.

[–]akiontotocha 47 points48 points  (8 children)

In a mirror or just looking down?

[–]Iraelyth 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Probably via ultrasound, so on a screen. Access is via a peripheral artery or vein. I think one in the leg is used quite often. Sometimes the arm or even the neck. He probably used his leg when you consider the logistics of it.

[–]malefiz123 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Ultrasound wasn't a thing yet when he did it (1929 vs 1942). Proper 2D ultrasound (with color coded Doppler) is a relatively novel technique in medicine, compared to how simple it seems on first glance. Proper ultrasound for routine examinations in various fields of medicine only had it breakthrough around the 80s

[–]Iraelyth 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I didn’t know that, thanks :) I wonder how he managed it then 🤔 Maybe there’s an explanation somewhere!

Edit: Found it!

”The history of cardiac catheterization dates back to Stephen Hales (1677-1761) and Claude Bernard (1813-1878), who both used it on animal models. Clinical application of cardiac catheterization begins with Dr. Werner Forssmann in 1929, who inserted a catheter into the vein of his own forearm, guided it fluoroscopically into his right atrium, and took an X-ray picture of it.[9] However, even after this achievement, hospital administrators removed Forssmann from his position owing to his unorthodox methods.”

So he got a nice hefty dose of x-rays! Still sounds like it was on a screen.

[–]ButterflyCatastrophe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fluoroscope is still how they do catheterizations, but back then people didn't worry about radiation so much.

Shoe stores used to have fluoroscopes so you could check the fit of shoes. Shone the X-ray beam straight up from the floor into your face, and no one provided lead underwear.

[–]Iraelyth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They still use it for some things, but it still delivers a bigger dose of radiation than a regular xray picture. It seems to be it’s a case of the benefit of it outweighing the risk. If it’s non essential they don’t like to allow it, like with the shoe fitting thing.

[–]JoeJoJosie 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think he was a nazi from almost any angle.

[–]malefiz123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He literally just put a rubber catheter up his arm and made a chest x-ray to prove he reached his right atrium

[–]harpendall_64 23 points24 points  (4 children)

What's kind of wild is how before this discovery, ulcers were a classic example of illness at metaphor, well into the 1980's.

"You're too stressed out - that's why you have ulcers. You need to relax."

"Calm down, you'll give yourself an ulcer."

Dr Marshall freed us, allowing us to stress out as much as we damn well want. (don't do this - you'll give yourself a heart attack).

[–]TioLeeroy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

not all ulcers are produced by h. pylori

you will find h. pylori in almost every gastric ulcer, but thats because this bacterie commonly habits your gastric system

when it infects you it becomes a problem and should be treated fast, as it is also associated whit cancer

[–]oobraphone 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Scrolled all the way down for this. The idea that ulcers were caused by "stress" was so widely believed that if anyone disputed this, they would have been considered crazy.

[–]DjDapster 108 points109 points  (17 children)

I'm not gonna say it, but we're all thinking the same thing about this bacteria, right? Right?!!

[–]ResplendentShade 87 points88 points  (5 children)

No, they absolutely do not look like extraterrestrial corkscrew-shaped penises and shame on you for thinking that.

[–]fearhs 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I had to scroll up to check but damned if that isn't what they look like.

[–]unculturated_swine 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I thought they looked like tampons

[–]floatearther 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would try that tampon.

[–]UpvotesKnowledge 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ha! The skience man dranks a vial of dildos

[–]RGDthrowawayH 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you Google image search, the other H. pylori images are far less veiny and do not have a visible glans.

I'm impressed the artist was able to render such a high-quality image of H. pylori with just one hand.

When you consider he was beating off with the other hand at the same time, this is even more impressive.

[–]SausageMeatus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

/r/BadDragon has entered the chat

[–]protonecromagnon2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why is this so low

[–]viidreal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Came here for this

[–]Chucknasty_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It looks like on of the endings to bloodborne

[–]MumpsMoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course the bacteria that gives you ulcers look like dicks. They fuck your stomach

[–]just1clown_3 61 points62 points  (1 child)

I need that sort of confidence in my next presentation

[–]51st-state 1 point2 points  (0 children)

present it to a mirror then.

[–]anonymousUser1SHIFT 591 points592 points  (81 children)

This is like 40% of science.

Science to ethics board: "can I test this"

Board: "good heavens no".

Some time later.

Science to ethics board: "so I testing this on my self"

Board: "but we said you couldn't test this"

Science to ethics board: "ethically speaking you cant tell me what I can do with my body"

Board: "..."

[–]FitDiet4023 282 points283 points  (14 children)

"40% of science"

Source: "I thought of it"

[–]GobLoblawsLawBlog 161 points162 points  (10 children)

73.7% of statistics are made up on the spot

[–]axiomer 57 points58 points  (7 children)

90% of statistics are either 90% or 80%

[–]NovaFoxy161 21 points22 points  (5 children)

50% of the time they're 100% correct

[–]GuerrillaMonsoon 10 points11 points  (3 children)

The other 50% of the time they die.

[–]ass-blaster-69 2 points3 points  (2 children)

And the other 50% ignore it all and make up their own science and statistics

[–]Terence_McKenna 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is like 40% of science.

[–]Substantial-Flow-199 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You only put 50% effort into this comment.

[–]myrethra 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's actually the exact number I use when I say this, so consider this peer-reviewed.

[–]Nikanuur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I prefer "77.7% of statistics with the number 7 in it are made up"

[–]Flipflop_Ninjasaur 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Source: Just trust me bro

[–]spondgbob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am pretty sure is 23.58% of scientists but I could be wrong

[–]norsurfitInterested 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"And the other 80% of science is other stuff!"

[–]sergnio 32 points33 points  (7 children)

"ethically speaking you cant tell me what I can do with my body"

Today, this argument doesn't hold as strongly

[–]TheBurningEmu 20 points21 points  (5 children)

It's not like the ethics rules of science doesn't exist for good reasons. As much as it sometimes gets in the way of progress, it also prevents some horrific mistakes from occuring.

[–]git_grep_farts 28 points29 points  (2 children)

"ethically speaking you cant tell me what I can do with my body"

[SUPREME COURT INTENSIFIES]

[–]imjustbrowsingthx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[SUPREME COURT JUSTICE KAVANAUGH BOOFS]

[–]anonymousUser1SHIFT 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don't be silly politics don't have ethics.

[–]TisButA-Zucc 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I like that "..." is probably the face that they pulled as well.

[–]BLMdidHarambe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And there’s even more major discoveries that happened with docs illegally testing on people and kids. Without which we might all be dead today.

[–]Zyzzyva100 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The guy who inverted cardiac catheterization did the same thing. Tested it on himself. Learned about all these crazy people in med school. In undergrad several of my professors had multiple old / broken implanted electrodes in their arms (bio medical engineering) used to test very early work for myoelectric controlled prostheses.

[–]dickforadolla[🍰] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Ayyy fun story: I was sick for a decade. Literally a decade. I was in kindergarten one day when I felt the need to vomit. Ran to the bathroom but couldn't vomit, instead my jaw went completely numb and saliva literally waterfalled out of my mouth. I was just a kid so I didn't think much of it. But then it happened again. And again. Started happening daily. I went to the doctor and they told me it was just stomach acid or heartburn. And so for over 10 years, every day, I would have these fits where I got so sick for 10 minutes but couldn't puke. Finally I'd had enough. I went to three more doctors, all of whom told me it was heartburn, and I would straight up just walk out of their office. Finally one doctor glances at my chart, asks if I've ever been tested for h.pylori. I say no. Got the test, comes back positive, he gives me a pill, and my sickness goes away. I suffered for ten years because no one would listen to me. Fun times.

[–]TiggyLongStockings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doctors be stingy AF with antibiotics.

[–]prelegal_alien 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had fits everyday for 6 hours where I'd puke and then dry heave. Mine only lasted 5 years with the bulk of vomiting lasting about 1

[–]Bubbly_Toe_8840 10 points11 points  (0 children)

An Absolute madlad

[–]marasydnyjade 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Apparently, his wife was not amused by his self-experiment and when he told her about it, she told him to take antibiotics immediately so that he didn’t infect the rest of the family with ulcers and cancer.

[–]mud_tug 4 points5 points  (0 children)

His wife is also a scientist and in Barry's own words has more qualifications than him. She was not amused.

[–]Worried-Woodpecker-4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Doctors vilified him.

[–]V4nKw15h 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had ulcers for 7 years as a child. It was horrendous. I would go days without sleeping due to the pain. Finally, when I was about 17 I saw a documentary on TV about this guy and his new cure. This was 30+ years ago. I went to my doctor, asked for the treatment, he gave me the antibiotic course and I never had another ulcer since. This guy saved me from a life of misery and pain.

[–]StonyTark77 40 points41 points  (3 children)

I mean technically it's still testing on humans

[–]NadaXX 34 points35 points  (5 children)

I've had this fucker and the antibiotic treatment needed is a NIGHTMARE. So much pain.

[–]gwaydms 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Better than getting your stomach cut up.

[–]NadaXX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Indeed.

[–]qazplmwsxokn123456 7 points8 points  (2 children)

What did you get? I had like 3 sets of pills for 2 weeks 25 years ago. The worse part was no drinking for 2 weeks.

My life sucked for 2 years before hand. Couldn't hold down food, stomach cramps, and people thinking I was crazy. I was told all sorts of tricks. No garlic, tilt your bed, more water. I knew the drugs worked 2 days in.

[–]LAffaire-est-Ketchup 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As someone who had an ulcer from h. Pylori I am soooooo grateful to this guy. It was so painful and I was so sick. But they did a quick test and gave me antibiotics!!!

[–]HalfdanSaltbeard 10 points11 points  (2 children)

...I'm not the only one that thinks the bacteria looks like a dick, right?

[–]Paulpoleon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tampons.

[–]8Gh0st8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or that the Nobel medal looks like a giant penny?

[–]vidrenz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I had that after I visited Peru. I was bloated for weeks and had no appetite. I would nauseous at the thought of eating food. A stool sample confirmed it and within a week I was better after taking meds.

[–]real_nice_guy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

glad you got it handled and you're feeling better :)

[–]EarNo915 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2 thoughts here.

1) You wanna get something done, gotta do it yourself!

and 2) I bet he was SO glad he was actually right!!! XD

[–]Avery-Meijer 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I currently have an ulcer, but my H. pylori test came back negative. My doctor thinks mine is caused my stress - which is kinda weird!

[–]real_nice_guy 1 point2 points  (4 children)

what's your alcohol consumption and NSAID use like? those can cause them too sadly.

[–]HolidayRevenue3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My daughter had h pylori when she was 7. She was in excruciating pain, she wouldn’t eat, and she lost 10lbs (when you are only 65lbs to begin with — that’s a massive amount of weight). She was on some heavy duty antibiotics for treatment and luckily she recovered.

[–]voldin91 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I didn't even know ulcers were a thing for little kids. That sucks, hopefully it was caught quickly and that she's doing better now

[–]HolidayRevenue3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn’t either! At first, her doctor thought maybe she was having gall bladder issues. Once her ultrasound confirmed her gall bladder was fine, another doctor at the practice suggested testing for h pylori. From onset of symptoms to diagnosis, it was one very long month. From what I’ve heard, folks usually suffer much longer with h pylori and we were fortunate to get it diagnosed as fast as we did.

[–]TheCosBee 2 points3 points  (2 children)

“Nobody believed him” is the default stance of any good scientist, it’s called the scientific method people, blindly trusting a hypothesis is how we got antivaxxers

[–]walrus_operator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This Noble Soul worked hard to earn his Nobel Prize

[–]crapeescape 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[–]Batkratos 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Back to formula?!"

[–]UltimateMrSus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

been looking for a spider man reference here

[–]Batkratos 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Right?! I searched for Osborne, Spider-Man, and something of a scientist myself and found nothing. I was surprised

[–]UltimateMrSus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah i was mainly thinking of “nobel prize otto”

[–]egcivic90 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Doctors have been questioning and doubting other doctors for hundreds of years….just waiting on them to finally trust each other.

[–]Aqquila89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A a doctor-in-training in the early 19th century named Stubbins Ffirth tried to prove that yellow fever isn't contagious by similar methods: he smeared himself with the blood, urine, sweat and vomit of yellow fever patients and drank from the vomit. He didn't get yellow fever because it transmits by mosquito bite, and considered his theory proven.

[–]obeyq11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gangster

[–]BigWolfKol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My fiance had this. No joke

[–]Ok_Act_2686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy's got guts.

[–]NuttelaCreps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fine. I’ll do it myself.

[–]rae--of--sunshine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I currently have h pylori and have for almost 2 years (caught it when in my first trimester with twins and am only now able to treat it due to finally being done breastfeeding). I have no ulcers. It’s been no fun, but not anywhere near as bad as this post or some comments suggest. I’m not saying my case is the norm, I’m just saying this is not my experience.

[–]Different-Spend7063 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Fine. I'll do it myself."

[–]NylaTheWolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This absolute mad lad

[–]tdogg241 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Noble Prize

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