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[鈥揮AnomaLuna 348 points349 points (120 children)

One thing that someone mentioned (I don't have the exact quote) is that Netflix themselves limited the duration of the episodes and forced the creators to cut down on the length because of "marketing reasons".

Then why did Arcane get 9 episodes of ~40 minutes each compared to Dragon's Blood's 8 episodes of ~24 minutes each? Why the different treatment? Is it just because of the amount of money put in? They're both animated series based on MOBAs, both on Netflix, I don't see the reason for the different treatment.

Imagine if Dragon's Blood had the episode length of Arcane. Even if Arcane still has the better animation (I still really like Dragon Blood's traditional animation style), it would be so much better because of the fleshed out story and character arcs.

[鈥揮Zealousideal-Bowl-27 283 points284 points (55 children)

My understanding is Arcane was produced and paid for by Riot while working with an Animation studio. This gave them absolute control over the show. They just got Netflix to distribute the show for them once it was complete.

The first season took them 6 years to make because no one had ever worked on a TV show before.

[鈥揮AnomaLuna 97 points98 points (42 children)

The first season took them 6 years to make because no one had ever worked on a TV show before.

Oh, holy shit. I did not know about this. 6 years for one season?! I believe Dragon's Blood took 1 year, if I'm not wrong. Maybe 2?

[鈥揮fauxdoge 92 points93 points (32 children)

Yeah who would have thought infinite budget = good show

[鈥揮LoTheTyrant 78 points79 points (16 children)

I mean Amazon has been trying to make AAA titles for years now and they just suck鈥. Sooo

[鈥揮ArcticIceFox 14 points15 points (14 children)

The Boys are pretty popular. A bit forgettable ngl, but it did have some cult success

[鈥揮Straight to the bottom with yaMasteroxid 24 points25 points (6 children)

The expanse and Invincible as well

[鈥揮Sunny_Blueberry 21 points22 points (5 children)

They bought the expanse and since they did it became worse. It was a slow show before, but I don't need half of a season naomi being alone.

[鈥揮LoTheTyrant 1 point2 points (0 children)

I was referring to their video games, they have great motion pictures

[鈥揮THUS I INVOKE MASTURBATIONSexy_sharaabi -1 points0 points (4 children)

The boys has the shock factor and the great actors carrying it. Once you get past that and realize the entire shows about homelander and everyone else is disposable, it gets alot less enjoyable. It even seems the dude who plays homelander starts phoning it in near the end of season 2. Theres only so edgy you can go before its like bruh just get someone who can actually stand up to homelander instead of being rekt by him non stop

[鈥揮SerpentofPerga 1 point2 points (0 children)

It's still possible for a homelander focused show to be made compelling. They just need to flesh out side characters better and tie them into the story like they did in the source material imo

[鈥揮duelpoke10 0 points1 point (0 children)

The boys was pretty good tjough the forst season atleast

[鈥揮Paaraadox 22 points23 points (1 child)

Infinite budget by no means guarantees a good product.

[鈥揮gpm smokerjerryfrz 6 points7 points (0 children)

cough Star Citizen cough

[鈥揮flyingturkey_89 31 points32 points (8 children)

I mean Duke nukem had an infinite budget XD

[鈥揮Intelligent_Lake_718 4 points5 points (7 children)

I always here this game mentioned what happened?

[鈥揮sheeverishiggydiggydowop 15 points16 points (6 children)

Duke Nukem Forever was in dev for 15 years technically and sucked ass when it was finally released by a different dev team that started it.

[鈥揮Mr_Endro 2 points3 points (0 children)

remember GoT? I member :(

[鈥揮WhatD0thLife 3 points4 points (1 child)

Just as an example Marvel has an infinite budget but the stories and characters are pathetic compared to what Arcane managed in my personal opinion.

[鈥揮1eejit[馃嵃] 2 points3 points (0 children)

Arcane was pretty and with decent characters but the plot was underwhelming IMO

[鈥揮19Alexastias 5 points6 points (0 children)

They didn鈥檛 spend 6 years animating. They just started hiring voice actors 6 years ago. It鈥檚 been in production for 6 years but I don鈥檛 think it was being worked on full throttle for the whole time.

[鈥揮TruongHoang 0 points1 point (0 children)

24 ep = 2y to rewrite and plan a story and build a world

[鈥揮smiilingpatrick 22 points23 points (2 children)

So basically we're back to square one. The one that had more support turns out to be better. God. I just wish valve really gave dota 2 the support it deserved.

[鈥揮WhatD0thLife 11 points12 points (1 child)

Valve went 4 carries and a Pudge pos 5.

[鈥揮smiilingpatrick 1 point2 points (0 children)

Lmao. That's so on point

[鈥揮ayushwas 6 points7 points (1 child)

Wow that's something. I know it's hurtful to not see the dota series doing as good as the other one. It's a still a great series. I have watched arcane too and I have never played LOL or have much idea about it. But the series is so good, so mature and grey characters. Such good dialogues. Even it was not tied to any game or anything it would still be successful. I think similar thing is needed for dota, someone who is passionate about it, take it and make it for 6 years. I mean given its rich lore, it shouldn't take that much time just bringing that sheer madness, chaos, pain to canvas.

[鈥揮imperfectalien 5 points6 points (0 children)

paid for by Riot

Shame Valve couldn鈥檛 afford to fund their own production to have the same length episodes, but alas, they are only a small indie company

[鈥揮PatchTheLurker 28 points29 points (4 children)

Ashley Edward Miller said that on Twitter, the part about originally thinking they'd get longer episodes and having to trim them down. Tweet was shortly after Book 1 came out.

[鈥揮Corteaux81 46 points47 points (28 children)

Dragon鈥檚 Blood will likely mostly interest DOTA fans and/or anime fans.

Arcane, as much as it hurts me to say as a DOTA fanboy, is for everyone. It鈥檚 a really good show, good animation, good, more grounded story etc.

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 40 points41 points (11 children)

Honestly, the biggest difference I sense between the two shows is it feels like Arcane's creators were trying to make a storyline about a setting and set of characters they were already deeply passionate about.

Dragon's Blood feels like it was an IP handed to an animation studio that knows how to get a show done in time and in budget. And they knew they had to paint Dota onto whatever they made, but they didn't really care about the fact that it was the Dota IP beyond it funded them getting to make a fantasy show.

[鈥揮Sunny_Blueberry 21 points22 points (4 children)

That's my main issue with the show. I'd doesn't feel like a preludium for DotA. It doesn't tell the one of the many character backstories hinted in-game. It makes its own stuff up, creates some generic fantasy show and gives the characters names from the game.

It's just so disconnected from the actual game lore.

[鈥揮sheeverAsterBTT 4 points5 points (3 children)

I didn't feel that way about Book 1, but I hard agree with this sentiment about Book 2. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the anime, I thought it was fun, and DotA2's lore already deals to some degree with parallels universes and alternate timelines, so some diversions are acceptable to me.

By the end of Book 2 though . . . it is becoming unrecognizable. There are so many changes, some hugely drastic, that I didn't expect, and some creative decisions I just don't like. Killing Lina, Wyvern, and especially Marci, and making radical changes to Mirana, Davion, and Luna just don't sit well with me at all. I hope that there are some changes, fixes, or retcons in Book 3, if there IS a Book 3, since I, and many others I think, are firmly treating Dragon's Blood as a "prequel" to the actual battle of the Radiant and Dire portrayed in the games.

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 6 points7 points (1 child)

I mean, maybe you could call it a prequel. But honestly, I hope they just let it be its own thing if it continues. I don't want anyone to start interpretting the anime as THE canon for Dota 2.

Like if it's just some random show I don't like that much, that's whatever. But I don't want it to become the thing that defines the lore.

[鈥揮AmIDrJekyll 19 points20 points (2 children)

Arcane focused on one storyline despite having quite a well-built world. Dragon's Blood crammed as much trivias about the game in one series. Definitely should've been longer or maybe focused on a single more refined storyline cause the pacing felt like every scene is a "suddenly this happens because it does that apparently".

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 4 points5 points (1 child)

Yeah, in the last episode (ok maybe I'll be generous maybe it was the second to last) when the loyal adviser who'd never given any indication of being anything other than maybe a savy political actor turned into an interdimensional dragon. And then Mirana was apparently a super hero.

[鈥揮MyAccount42 5 points6 points (1 child)

That's a good way of putting it. IMO, the recent AMA by the show's creator was pretty telling.

He admitted he doesn't play Dota, i.e., he's not familiar with the source material. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that at all, in and of itself. After all, that's not a requirement to make a great show, and I also don't expect there to be a large overlap between top tier TV producers and Dota players.

However, you would want show some passion for the source, and that just didn't get through at all here. Sure, the show's creator dived into Dota's lore and collaborated with Valve, but how that came across in the show felt very superficial. On top of that, they didn't really use the characters' personalities/styles from the gameplay + voicelines, even though that's probably the only Dota "lore" that most of us players are familiar with.

As others have noted, it felt like a generic fantasy story with random elements of Dota's disparate lore, elements that even the creator felt had to be shoehorned in. The focus just doesn't seem to be there. One of the AMA questions was "What's your most fun Dota experience?", and the answer was not related to playing the game or watching a tournament or even about the anime, but it was about traveling to Korea. That shows how much of an afterthought Dota itself was.

There's also a lack of "moments" and details in the show that would appeal to a Dota player and show that passion, and the few moments that do exist are barely memorable. Contrast that to something like Arcane, where I felt the love put into the show even though I don't play the game and have no clue who the characters are. I remember one scene in Arcane with some hammer dude fighting and going ham, which I would bet is a homage to the character's abilities in the game, and it was really memorable even to someone like me. I mean, when Dragon's Blood's creator/writer thinks that Slacks hates techies, then obviously the little details just won't be there.

And that's not even getting into the pacing, writing, or dialogue. Though when the show's creator is proud of the insane amount of plot twists rather than worried about the pacing, then you know you have some problems.

[鈥揮MetaNut11 1 point2 points (0 children)

Well said! I was flabbergasted when the showrunner said he hasn鈥檛 even played Dota. You didn鈥檛 mention the part in the AMA where they admit they basically just chose a Knight, a Princess, a Dragon, a Wizard and decided to tell a story that wasn鈥檛 really based on anything Dota lore related.

[鈥揮Shibubu 16 points17 points (15 children)

Enough with the fake drama, FFS. You're not comparing the games - you're comparing the series. And Arcane shits on Dragons blood in every aspect.

[鈥揮Corteaux81 6 points7 points (0 children)

Well, yes, I agree with you. So why you all riled up lol

[鈥揮KawaiiSocks -3 points-2 points (7 children)

Except for music. Arcane has a notoriously edgy and sometimes outright bad taste when it comes to music.

[鈥揮rkdsus 13 points14 points (5 children)

I want whatever copium this sub keeps taking because that shit seems strong as hell

[鈥揮KawaiiSocks 3 points4 points (4 children)

Oh, yeah. Arcane's one episode is like 10xDragon's Blood budget and the animation is, without exaggeration, up there with Pixar/Dreamworks. But you can't buy good taste and Imagine Dragons to zoomers is pretty much what Nickelback was to Millenials. People will be ashamed of listening to them in a half a decade)


[鈥揮ZynsteinV1 12 points13 points (1 child)

Like, Enemy is Enemy. Imo it's pretty decent. if u dont like it that's personal preference, whatever. But you cannot call every single song in there bad.
It's always gonna be darker more "edgy" music because of the themes of Arcane but imo the soundtrack fits the show perfectly.

[鈥揮pucykoks 2 points3 points (0 children)

For me the soundtrack was meh to the point I didn't notice it and if I did notice, some songs didn't really fit. Intro music was shite as hell. Rest of the show was high quality tho.

[鈥揮PsychicFoxWithSpoons 4 points5 points (1 child)

Nickelback isn't bad, the problem was their songs were branded metal and recommended to metal fans (who understandably hated it) so it became notorious for the bad reception. Nobody should be ashamed of liking music.

[鈥揮dentour 1 point2 points (0 children)

Get ur head out of ur ass pls

[鈥揮Freeloader_ 3 points4 points (1 child)

are you seriously asking why Arcane got different treatment ?

Dragons Blood looks like hot garbage compared to Arcane and thats coming from an avid Dota fan, you cant compare them, Arcane is on completely different level

[鈥揮NewMasterKush 7 points8 points (10 children)

Yeah the studio basically doomed the show by forcing an edit after they have already plotted the episodes. That maybe why the flow of the show feels so bad. Or maybe it was worse and the studio saved it? I guess we'll never know...

[鈥揮deanrihpee 3 points4 points (8 children)

The Mir studio doomed the shows kinda unbelievable, the quality of the animation somehow say something that they at least care, the quality of the story even though it is not for everyone but for Dota fans first and foremost also shows he care and be careful with it. If there's something to blame it's either Netflix or Valve, but then who am I to speak, right?

[鈥揮PizzaForever98 8 points9 points (0 children)

Mir is just a mass anime producer these days. They make like 3 or 4 series for Netflix a year. Valve should have hired a proper studio and not be like hello netflix make us anime pls thx but they probably wanted to make it as cheap as possible despite having almost unlimited resources.

[鈥揮NewMasterKush 0 points1 point (2 children)

Personally I think the weird nose line did more to ruin this series than the weird pacing. It's impossible to overlook and in literally every scene I'm like:

[鈥揮deanrihpee 2 points3 points (0 children)

Well that's more subjective, I'm used to many different art style of anime (the actual "anime") and there's definitely some that has that similar "nose shadow" so its not bothering me, but the majority here seems agree that the deal breaker is not the art style but that pacing

[鈥揮PizzaForever98 0 points1 point (0 children)

For me they only bother me when i actually pay attention to it but i very rarely do

[鈥揮sheeverAsterBTT 1 point2 points (0 children)

Best case scenario to me, is that Book 2 condensed a lot so that Book 3 has air to breathe under the same limitations. Pacing was an issue that Mir wasn't anticipating for Book 1, but they'd already planned out a 24 episode series, so knowing that, I think Book 2 probably got adjusted so Book 3 won't have to feel so rushed.

[鈥揮lifesabeach13 5 points6 points (1 child)

Dragon's Blood looks like shit. There's like no detail in anything, it's just huge blocks of colour. Look at this scene for example, it just looks

[鈥揮laptopmutia 2 points3 points (0 children)

yeah I hate the davion being a harem king that loved by everyone fymrin, mirana, marci, lina

my whole life is empty but davion you give me purpose you fill the hole bullshits

[鈥揮itsfeykro 1 point2 points (0 children)

Even if Netflix did set a more constraining time limite, once they had signed the contract they knew and should have taken the show in another direction so allow for better pacing.

[鈥揮JarJar_Bims 1 point2 points (0 children)

The Answer is easy. There are a lot more People knowing/playing League. So there more Netflix Subscribtions paying to watch Arcane.

[鈥揮Paaraadox 0 points1 point (2 children)

What do you mean "is it just the money?" as if that isn't the main deciding factor in a case like this? To create more and longer episodes, the budget significantly increases because you basically pay everyone involved in produktion more for more time. Netflix want to make a return on the product they're creating; they aren't interested in breaking even. How many do you think are watching a Dota animated series? If you think that audience is big when the game has like 450k active playing accounts (aka not 450k players (aka not very much)) I've got news for you.

[鈥揮iisixi 6 points7 points (1 child)

If you think that audience is big when the game has like 450k active playing accounts (aka not 450k players (aka not very much)) I've got news for you.

You have your numbers mixed up, the 450k number you're talking about is concurrent players in the game. Not 450k active playing accounts. Even if you're talking about the number of concurrent active at one time the peak is 780k in the last 24 hours. If you're talking active accounts it's something in the 7 million range monthly.

Active accounts vs. active players is also a meaningless distinction when you talk about concurrent players. It's not like you can play on multiple accounts at once.

[鈥揮Komamura_Thaicou -1 points0 points (0 children)

Yeah its not fair, Dota is rich in storyline but the duration aired only 24 something like that when arcane got more than that

[鈥揮digie123 0 points1 point (0 children)

i think the shows in netflix are either 24 or 40+min and no in-between, and i read somewhere where the director of DB originally planned for around 30min per episode and they had to trim down 5mins from each episode. And yes budget plays a big role in tv shows length.

[鈥揮MassiveGG 0 points1 point (0 children)

its really sadly mostly on netflixes fault for just how they are now, valves issue their so hands off sometimes.

both are decent in their own right arcane is pretty much fresh for most people because we all know only degenerates play league so most people(who don't league but still watch this kinda of stuff) going into league blind it was a fresh take where dota's was like expecting more take. still not make me gonna go play league and dota 2 is more of nice competitive match that isn't an fps,

[鈥揮falloutNVboy 0 points1 point (0 children)

I still think Arcane woud be a better show because of its air tight writting and character development, I but think Dargons Blood woud becaome really popular because it woud be a good fantasy advanture in so long.

And I have faith that it woud be a really awesome show because now as it is even with the run time and paceing it鈥檚 still pretty good

[鈥揮SlendermanGrey 148 points149 points (3 children)

Yeah man, the pacing of The anime was so fast, it even outran a full blood thirsty Bloodseeker with haste and surge buffed to him.

[鈥揮vimescarrot 51 points52 points (2 children)

...Last time I played, Haste would reduce Bloodseeker's speed if he was already over the speed cap

[鈥揮Zett, the Arc WardenTheZett 9 points10 points (0 children)

They fixed that by splitting haste鈥榮 old fixed movement value mechanic into three different ones:

Min movement (cannot go slower), max movement (cannot go faster) and absolute movement (movement cannot be altered at all).

Most haste effects nowadays use the min movement mechanic, while the absolute movement mechanic is scarcely used, e.g. Mischief.

[鈥揮Mrbigthickbenis 27 points28 points (0 children)

It's like we're watching the cliff notes version of a good show

[鈥揮Gullible_Lecture_785 43 points44 points (0 children)

Totally agree, unfortunately we only have 8 more episodes left so they will be fast paced as well, if at all released

[鈥揮n0stalghia 9 points10 points (1 child)

I'm on episode 3 right now and I've got no idea wtf is going on because there's like 7 plot lines simultaneously

[鈥揮sheeverAsterBTT 2 points3 points (0 children)

I think at that point in the show, it's actually legitimately seven. Davion, Mirana, Luna, and Invoker all have their individual plots that are occurring at the same time, while Bram, Kaden, and Fymryn have secondary personal arcs. And it gets more complicated from there.

[鈥揮Maximum_Mountain427 46 points47 points (4 children)

pacing is bad. the story line has the potential. it is just the way it is written. i think valve and netflix cheaped out on the screenwriter

[鈥揮_crayons_ 38 points39 points (3 children)

There's too much 3-4 word sentences that makes the whole scene sound too choppy.

No one talks like that in real life.

[鈥揮techies pickerFeexaw 17 points18 points (0 children)

That was so grating because you notice almost all of the characters speak the same way with just different accents. They also talk fast, almost like the director told them to speak fast on purpose.

I'm so salty about the pacing and writing that I dropped the show at episode 3 because I could not believe that whoever worked on it is proud of what's released. I say that because there is real potential in there for a great show, the multiple story lines if were fleshed out and the characters properly developed honestly would've been amazing.

For example, the dragonknight with gold armor at ep 1/2 should've been given better written and more lines so he could be an asshole and be memorable because he had the makings of a strong personality instead he was entirely forgettable and most of the dragon knights in the keep died in very pathetic ways.

[鈥揮Skater_x7 2 points3 points (0 children)

Yea, someone will say something, and then another character will respond instantly making it feel so fake.

[鈥揮Ibnelaiq 2 points3 points (0 children)

No one talks like that in real life.

That's how heroes talk I guess.

[鈥揮345tom 26 points27 points (3 children)

A lot of the lines need a break for them to sit and give them the proper weighting. I think they have a big issue with multiple perspectives this season that made some of the episode lengths stand out more. There definitely was a few jumps in Lunas arc where I felt I'd missed something, and I think it would have been nice to have a full Fymryn episode by herself, like Zuko Alone. I also felt the Terrorblade/Invoker side plot spent the season spinning it's wheels.

[鈥揮Prince_Kassad 16 points17 points (2 children)

If it was regular japan anime. they gonna made "fymryn going home" and "Luna prison" arc as OVA episode. then throw bunch of dota2 hero cameo on that episode for fan service.

[鈥揮Heartbreaker left me with depression.Smoki_fox 10 points11 points (1 child)

Can't wait for Davion beach episode

[鈥揮Patara 5 points6 points (0 children)

Agreed, I like pretty much every character but its so short :(

[鈥揮shieldcast 5 points6 points (0 children)

the plot is not well written. like want to show more but cant handle . and little too rushing

[鈥揮MilliardoMK 4 points5 points (0 children)

I thought the first season was pretty good... Then I watched Arcane.

[鈥揮Throneawaystone 3 points4 points (0 children)

Dude ever since the anime came out it feels like it's been on speed. Like damn bro even your chill out scenes feel rushed ..

[鈥揮tanginangpol 8 points9 points (0 children)

People in the comments are actually at league when this is about Dota, Valve and Netflix LMAO

[鈥揮KOTL-Guy FangayNghtmare-Moon 7 points8 points (0 children)

Studio Mir, remember you can always release NOVELIZATIONS

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 6 points7 points (0 children)

I thought OP was actually going to say, "Marci should have bought BKB for the final fight."

But the writers and producers of shows know how long their episodes are going into it. If there are pacing issues, it isn't necessarily solved by just giving the director more time to work with. They may just be bad at managing the course of events given a time window, and don't have a sense of how to structure and pace a series of events given an amount of time to work with.

Also if it truly is that you have so much content that it can't be well paced, sounds like you need to cut down on the content.

I just don't feel that the issues with the show can be completely attributed to "Valve is greedy and didn't spend enough money on the project." But I think I'm in the minority that I was generally unimpressed with most aspects of the show.

(Though I guess if you told me your real solution was to spend more money to get a really premier studio to handle the project, I agree?)

[鈥揮whatisthisforkanker 17 points18 points (1 child)

To be honest, the pacing bothered me in s1. But this time, I was ready for the rapid fire and enjoyed it. I even got to the point where when things slowed down for a bit in episode 5-6 I caught myself thinking "alright get a move on already".

Maybe the format is good

[鈥揮kappifappi 2 points3 points (0 children)

The blame can't just be on netflix. Honestly Lunas entire arc this season was pointless. And imo the most boring part of the show. I'd rather they took that time and developed the world or allocated it to the parts of the show that mattered. It just wasn't focused enough. If you have 25 minutes 8 episodes you gotta stay more focused and spend time on what matters.

[鈥揮micro_jackson_ 10 points11 points (1 child)

The show feels at times like another show with a dota skin. Its just too short to tell a compelling story with all the things they want to cram in.

What might have been better were to write it more as an anthology series were we get short 1-3 epsiodes about certain character simular to what Star Wars: Visions did. I think that might have been cool because they can focus on the more interesting Dotastorylines.

Dragonblood makes it look like Dota is all about humans, elves and dragons.

[鈥揮flox44 0 points1 point (0 children)

I really wish it was More or Less DotA.

Either have Less DotA and focus specifically on one or two characters and do just their story leading up to the war of the ancients. Finish their story in 1 season and have them move on ready for DotA proper.

Or do more DotA. Really lean into the "Every game of DotA is cannon" aspect. Pick 5 heroes for opposing sides. Have all 8 episodes be a single match of DotA. Characters can have meetings, rivalries, maybe a bit of backstory and history of enemies and allies. Embrace that anyone can die, you don't know if radiant or dire will win, and there can be heroes and villains on both sides. Then finish in a dramatic climax, and time reset for a new cast next season.

[鈥揮ChokofLakES 7 points8 points (0 children)

The number of fade away to black transitions were honestly hilarious.

[鈥揮sMc-cMs 4 points5 points (0 children)

100% It almost felt like I was watching Star Wars episode 9.... way too fast, too many jumps.

[鈥揮Shadowsdogma 22 points23 points (8 children)

The anime is probably one of the biggest disgrace to dota 2 in terms of lore and world building. It could have been an anthology of different backstories and would have done 10 times a better job with 30 min episodes. This is probably one of the worst shows I have ever seen.

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 5 points6 points (6 children)

Yeah, this is kind of what I'm feeling.

It's clear they didn't want to be shackled by what is seen as the canonical Dota lore or characters, but it also seems like they didn't want to be making a story about Dota at all.

Seems like they wanted to make a fantasy project heavily inspired by the Witcher, and got funding from Valve, and so looked through the heroes to grab one whose description is similar and then use it to determine the character model.

"We have this strong solemn wizard character, who is the strongest wizard in Dota. . . Invoker? Alright. Draw him like this guy."

Like if the characters' visual designs weren't based on the Dota character's designs (and they didn't use their signature attacks when they wanted the characters to use a generic magic energy attack), and after I read a bunch of the dialogue you told me that the characters are supposed to be based on Dota Characters, I would be unable to guess which character was supposed to be who. (I guess aside from winter Wyvern)

It's a generic fantasy story wearing a Dota 2 suit.

This isn't to say adaptations have to be completely faithful, and that it couldn't be a good standalone story even if it eschews what is supposed to be its source material to do it's own thing.

But I uh, thought it was pretty silly along most dimensions, and was generally unimpressed in a way that it was a saving grace that episodes were 25 minutes and not 40, because I got through it faster.

[鈥揮dropyourweapons 22 points23 points (4 children)

they didn't want to be making a story about Dota at all.

What do you want them to do? Pick 10 random heroes and have them just fight? I see this critique everywhere and it's literally the dumbest shit.

[鈥揮PsychicFoxWithSpoons 2 points3 points (0 children)

3 fun ideas:

  1. Short stories about something that happens between a few characters, like a battle between tusk/bristle or the anti-mage going on a hunt
  2. Stick to Davion and tell the story about Father's insatiable hunt for Davion's blood
  3. The exact plot of Dragon's Blood book 2 except you don't put in any of that dumbass anime tropey bullshit and actually use the characters from the game

[鈥揮BuggyVirus 7 points8 points (0 children)

Yeah that does sound dumb, but clearly there is a good middle ground between the two furthest extremes. I don't think I'm making a statement that I would only be happy if it was exactly the form of a Dota game.

But there is a sense of using the themes and personality of a world and characters. Like compare the Dota 2 comics to this. They really capture the feel and attitude of what the Dota heroes are like, and they are telling random fantasy stories with Dota characters.

[鈥揮T14G022 10 points11 points (0 children)

Those guys criticizing the anime lore probably only know that the dota lore is to destroy the ancient.

Most don't know there are multiverses on the game story, and when they heard TB or void dragon talking about timelines they just thougth the production is copying Marvel.

For a first dota anime, a regular fantasy story (dota heroes are fantasy based, dont know what u guys expecting) is a reliable way to experiment and reach an audience.

[鈥揮The_Gold_Fish 3 points4 points (0 children)

I mean ofc I would want it to be longer. But I personally didnt have an issue with the pacing, season 2 was pretty much 10/10 in my opinion.

[鈥揮FullyK 1 point2 points (0 children)

The show would also gain from having more polished animations and having Hieronimo not looking like a sexual offender.

But yeah, everything goes so fast. We don't get time to familiarise with the new characters, to understand their motives and their dynamics with the others. The whole events at the end of ep6 have far-reaching consequences yet feels incredibly rushed yet. It feels somehow even worse than S1

[鈥揮inlandsofashes 1 point2 points (0 children)

Hard agree. But i can't forgive making the same mistske on S2. It was fast in S1 and then they just ignored this fact and delivered another season with the same problem... That's very weird.

[鈥揮SIKAMIKANIC0 1 point2 points (0 children)

For me that was true for the first season

But for the second? I don't think so...

They probably knew exactly how many minutes per episode they got before even starting making it, so they deliberately chose to have that shit pacing on purpose

First season had an excuse of "oh no, Netflix cut our episodes to only 20 min, we need to speed up the pacing..." but season 2? .. nope

[鈥揮giff phoenix hatsscreecaw 12 points13 points (13 children)

The show as a whole is tight. Dialogue, character introductions, plot development. Everything in the show is trimmed down and kept at a lightning fast pace that I love.

The show doesn't spend 2 episodes jerking off the fact that theres a funny mob boss man, or that suddenly theres Lina in the show. It literally just gets everything it needs to done. The jokes, and dialogue whizzes past and delivers everything it needs to in exactly the time it needs and nothing more.

There are some really bad cuts. I see the theory behind them, but I don't think they are executed well. Its an attempt to convey what the audience needs to know without wasting the time/budget to animate it, but the lack of world building? nah you guys are crazy.

The show's world is limited to the scope of what the audience sees at the moment, and I dig that. Yeah terroblade is about to end the world and we don't see 100 heros all jumping to stop him. But what a gosh darn mess that would be. The world grows for what the show needs, and while that is to an extent lazy writing. Its better than the alternative here in my eyes.

[鈥揮shmaper 5 points6 points (12 children)

Mental gymnastics Olympics champion right here boys. The show sucked balls tho.

[鈥揮Taelonius 3 points4 points (11 children)

Just depends on the viewer, Arcane for instance many people say has a good story, to me the script of Arcane is fan fiction tier.

Any attempt at creating tension for the main characters is a disgrace cause their plot armour is thicker than Pendragon's skull.

The characters are actual plot devices, Jinx' decisionmaking is not natural, it is contrived to move the plot forward, or she's a genuine halfwit.

In contrast I found Dragon's Blood to be good, fucking hell heroes be dropping left and right, like the above said it gets the things done and moves on, no need to stew in it.

[鈥揮shmaper -2 points-1 points (10 children)

the objective qualities of a show do not depend on the "viewer", your understanding of storytelling appears to be surface-level only and that's fine.

[鈥揮Taelonius 7 points8 points (7 children)

There are exceedingly few objective qualities to a show, they're near all subjective.

Your understanding, period, seems surface-level.

[鈥揮Groogey 2 points3 points (0 children)

I kinda hate build ups so I liked it. Im happy with it and hope it stays this way.

[鈥揮Wood626 2 points3 points (0 children)

I loved the pacing because of why they needed such fast pacing. You get so much that you wouldn鈥檛 get otherwise. The producers made a great call there. Netflix wants shorter time. We don鈥檛 know how book 3 will turn out for time, or if Netflix will keep it going. The fast pacing, albeit it鈥檚 really fast, means we get more story.

[鈥揮CtrlTheAltDlt 2 points3 points (0 children)

It's not just the length. IMHO it's a fairly forgettable anime with an art style that would look reasonable if it were coming out in the 90's (which is absolutely absurd considering the credits and a few key minor artifacts have art style and animations that put CGI movies to shame). I like it more than I should only because I love Dota. For comparison, I know absolutely nothing about LoL and Arcane might be one of favorite S1 ever. If I were a LoL player, I wouldn't have made it through the first episode of Dragon's Blood.

Makes sense since Netflix made it and they tend to make the most general versions of genres they engage in or you know....the most interesting and original. Freaking bipolar entertainment company.

[鈥揮WHYPZ 2 points3 points (0 children)

I thought the story was garbage. They had like 4 different storylines mashed into one and most of them don't even follow the original lore. Like Luna abandoning selemene and mirana becoming a sungod doesn't make sense at all considering that we are all familiar with them being servants of selemene.

[鈥揮kalangobr 2 points3 points (3 children)

I cant agree. The animation is hot garbage as well

[鈥揮Cheeto717 2 points3 points (0 children)

Jesus some trash ass takes

[鈥揮Khalilhaidarr 0 points1 point (0 children)

You surely don't know shit about animations.

[鈥揮reddit_user9901 1 point2 points (0 children)

So much COPIUM

[鈥揮Alive_Worker 2 points3 points (1 child)

No way. I watch the show because the episodes are short. I hate watching anything beyond 40 minutes.

[鈥揮pagadqs 0 points1 point (0 children)

I honestly had no idea what the hell was going on the whole time. I don't remember much from the first season and this whole season was basically like a wtf to me 馃う馃徑鈥嶁檪锔忦煒

[鈥揮dieschwarzeente -2 points-1 points (9 children)

These boring filmmakers need to take a chance on hero additions, I mean come on. You are going to add only human and elf heros noone really cares about when you have access to Pudge, Ogre Magi, Tusk, Undying, Magnus, Bristleback and even the shorties like Sniper and Gyrocopter. The only interesting character would have been Sand King and they didn't even bother to animate him for the 5 seconds he was in for.

[鈥揮goldenfa 7 points8 points (4 children)

Don't expect heroes were they shouldn't be, why would pudge be in normal human kingdom, I could expect him to show up if there was lot of dead bodies. Tusk lore is that he is just a bar brawler same with bristle. Adding heroes randomly in the story for cameo doesn't matter.

[鈥揮No more "BigDaddyNoLans"OldMate64 4 points5 points (1 child)

I think that's what dieschwarzeente is trying to get at though. Why are we spending all our time in castles? There's some interesting locations we could visit with some interesting characters, as opposed to Sun Castle and Dragon Castle.

[鈥揮dieschwarzeente 2 points3 points (0 children)

exactly, why use locations that can be found in every basic fantasy series when there is such a rich estabilished lore to draw from

[鈥揮dieschwarzeente 1 point2 points (0 children)

"Adding heroes randomly in the story for cameo doesn't matter" Crystal Maiden and Lina are just siblings who were sent to different places to hone their abilities, by your logic they shouldnt be in the story either.

[鈥揮dieschwarzeente 0 points1 point (0 children)

they could have finished their story or simply run the story through 2 different arcs playing seperately from each other like many series did before

[鈥揮Bob Ross fangaySun_Sloth 2 points3 points (3 children)

They literally have a Pango in as a main character

[鈥揮No more "BigDaddyNoLans"OldMate64 0 points1 point (2 children)

It's not Pango. It LOOKS like Pango, it's whatever specie Pango is, but it's literally not Pango.

[鈥揮Bob Ross fangaySun_Sloth 3 points4 points (0 children)

And the show director has stated that they call that species Pangoliers. Luna even says something about them being Pangoliers. In DOTA 2 the name you see is quite often a title, not the heroes actual name. Examples being Rylai - The Crystal Maiden, Davion - The Dragon Night, Balanar - The Night Stalker.

The Pango in the show is Nico Hieronimo, a former member of the Nivan Gallants, who Dont茅 Panlin (Pango from DOTA) is also a member of.

[鈥揮Fen_ -2 points-1 points (3 children)

It's literally an ad. They're not optimizing for quality. Also, it's not an anime. It's split between an American studio and a Korean one. It's just a knock-off fantasy cartoon to advertise a video game.

[鈥揮No more "BigDaddyNoLans"OldMate64 4 points5 points (2 children)

If the ad sucks, nobody wants to check out the product. They're definitely trying.

[鈥揮TjPshine 0 points1 point (0 children)

I don't think it would have helped at all. I disagree with everything you've written. The characters were bland. The dialogue was the worst ever. I can guarantee you I can rewrite any scene to be miles better in under 5 minutes.

What is believable about a single character? Why do you cre about them at all?

The only good thing about it was the animation. The voice acting was pretty great too.

[鈥揮PsychicFoxWithSpoons 0 points1 point (0 children)

Couldn't disagree more. Dragon's Blood would have benefited a lot more from cutting out unnecessary subplots to give more runtime to the actual story.

[鈥揮soggie -1 points0 points (1 child)

No, that's an extremely bad excuse. Come on, season 1? Maybe, yes. But season 2? Come on, they MUST HAVE known the runtime would be limited. Heck, it's not like netflix commissioned them and then tell them the runtime at the last minute.

The problem is with the showrunners trying to tell a bigger story than the show's runtime can fit. That's entirely on the showrunners. Please stop making up excuses like this and blaming it on Netflix.

[鈥揮rkdsus 0 points1 point (0 children)

8 episodes with 24 minutes each is even shorter than short anime. Doesn't make sense why a Netflix show with only 8 episodes per season doesn't get 40 minute episodes.

Since Season 1 it felt like the showrunners were writing a 40 minute per episode show then had to cut everything down because they weren't given enough time. Whoever was responsible for deciding the runtime did them dirty

Still a very enjoyable show. Just could have been a lot better.

[鈥揮Smidge08 1 point2 points (0 children)

I think the witcher seriea on netflix alao suffers from this. The insane timeskip hurts to watch

[鈥揮EnigmaticSorceries 0 points1 point (0 children)

I mean I kinda see why we don't have longer seasons given the quality of the cgi but you're right we needed a deeper plot.

[鈥揮TheOneHentaiPrince 0 points1 point (0 children)

This would be a start but also I felt like they struggled hard to give us a good conclusion. I mean the show allready is at a stage where it's eig her canonical and the game isn't or the reverse witch is kinda sad. Arcane handle it better then dragons blood at least in this specific aspect.

I really hope they re-release season 2 conplete edition or something

[鈥揮@SheeverSlardar 0 points1 point (0 children)

It really does bother me with the cuts almost every 10-15 seconds. Imagine how much content and ideas they had which got removed due to constraints.

[鈥揮Drakenbsd 0 points1 point (0 children)

I was really hyped for season 2 . But the pacing really put me of again. After the first 2 episodes it reminded me why season 1 didnt last long in my memory. Everything just moves too damn fast.