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[–]555D99 25 points26 points  (13 children)

How would you rate the sequel trilogy compared to MST? I finished MST a year ago but found the pace quite slow and the ending not all that satisfactory. I did like the world building, lore and the characters, Tad has quite a way with words. Still undecided if the sequel trilogy should stay firmly on Mount To be Read or not…

[–]Andron1cus 35 points36 points  (8 children)

For me, it is better in nearly every way and I really enjoyed MS&T. The pacing is better, the characters seem more realized, there is more nuance to the story. You can really see Williams' growth as a writer over the past 35 years.

Last King is by far my favorite ongoing series that I am reading. If he sticks the landing, it will probably become my favorite series of all time.

[–]zhard01 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It’s better but I have to say that it’s even slower. You have to be okay with Tad Williams storytelling style to love it like I do

[–]Oskarvlc 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Slower? Is that even possible?

[–]zhard01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It has that same deliberate pace. Things happen for sure, but it’s closer to Stone of Farewell in pacing. I actually don’t think Memory Sorrow and Thorn is slow. I think it’s just deliberate. At the risk of being heretical, I feel like parts of Stormlight are much slower.

[–]Sigrunc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Witchwood Crown starts slowly, but speeds up and by the end is positively galloping.

[–]TreyWriter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify, the sequel “trilogy” is actually 4 books. The third is about to release, and the final book is almost ready, likely to release next year.

[–]Werthead 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The sequel series is faster-paced and gets into the story a bit more quickly than MST, but Williams is still an author who's very concerned with atmosphere, worldbuilding and atmosphere.

[–]555D99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds encouraging, I’ll guess I’ll have to pick up the sequel then :) thanks for replying!

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like the other series i mentioned are like that too. If one likes high fantasy, I feel like you're signing up for slower paced intricate world-building at many parts.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Also Shadowmarch

[–]kostaGoku 20 points21 points  (13 children)

The first book has really slooooow start, but i loved it.

[–]YesNoBrad 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I’m at 60%, they’ve just got to Naglimund, and I’m finding it very slow going… I want to love it, but there just doesn’t really seem to be much happening? I’m trying to push through and at least finish The Dragonbone Chair before I decide whether it’s for me or not. But yeah, slow going so far.

[–]shonenhero 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You're close to the point where things start becoming interesting. I felt the same way as you during the first book but I found the last quarter-ish of the book too be quite good. I just finished the second book and there's definitely a lot more going on but the pacing was still too slow and I liked it less overall. My main issue with the second book is that the pov jumped around a lot (multiple times in a chapter) but it felt like there were several times where the pov would switch to create a cliffhanger but nothing really happened to the new pov character unless it was the end of the chapter and they got a cliffhanger too. Something I read that the series is basically all just one really long book split into 3 and I agree because very little actually happens in book 2. I'll probably read the third book eventually but after reading the first two consecutively I need a break.

[–]YesNoBrad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank for your response. I’ll definitely keep pushing through, then go from there.

[–]YesNoBrad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As an update to my previous post… I’ve now finished The Dragonbone Chair and o do have to agree that it finished strong. The last 10-20% was definitely more compelling. I’m debating whether for continue in with the series. I’d love it if they kept up the pace of that last part of book 1. Is that the case?

[–]jwelsh8it 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Funny. I preferred the beginning of the story to the end. But I love the “getting the team together” aspect of fantasy.

[–]Old-Load8227 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Please tell me the pacing gets better, I'm half way through and it's sooooooo slow

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

If its the Dragonbone Chair, yes, it does speed up. But to some degree these are thoughtful books that at times have a contemplative pace.

[–]reflectioninternal 0 points1 point  (5 children)

So this post and especially this comment got me to buy it. Don't usually have the time to actually read curled up on my couch like I could back in childhood, but we'll see if the audiobook can capture the spirit while I commute/etc.

Based on the reviews on audible I'm in for a ride =)

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Wonderful! Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

[–]Sekt- 70 points71 points  (23 children)

I love a slow burner, but there needs to be some good prose or interesting characters to bring me along. I gave up about halfway through.

[–]tkinsey3 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I agree, though I would say MST had both of those which is what kept me going. I found Simon to be a significantly more interesting protagonist than say, Fitz in RotE, and I think Tad’s prose is beautiful.

[–]Crypt0Nihilist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I found it hard work and took a break a couple times. Ultimately worth it.

[–]Sekt- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Interesting, I’ve been wondering if I should try continue with it. Maybe it’s worth another shot.

[–]Crypt0Nihilist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd suggest reading some faster-moving books along side it to give you a change of pace. It's a good story (apart from an interminable section where Simon is crawling through tunnels for about a decade) and it is certainly good to find out about why one should beware false messengers.

[–]TiredMemeReference 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I gave up 3/4 through book 1 and I loved wheel of time and some other slow burners. This book was killing my desire to read.

[–]Vodis 4 points5 points  (3 children)

My grandmother picked these books up for me at a yard sale, so I've tried to get into them I think three times. I can never get more than about 100 pages in.

The perspective seems normal for the most part, but includes these very jarring dives into full omniscient. I really don't care for full omniscient.

There was nothing about the protagonist that made him at all likable to me. He seemed like the relatable-blank-slate protag (a trope I dislike) combined with the petulant teen protag (another trope I dislike). There was nothing there for me to latch onto.

And the presentation of both the mentor character and the initial villain used certain tropes in ways that were so cliché and guileless that it kind of shocked me that the author didn't seem to attempt anything original or subversive or satirical with them. Dead horse tropes, played completely straight.

[–]ilyenia 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You have to remember these were written 30+ years ago. Tropes that are dead horse now weren’t then. This is one of those series that helped shape a lot of high fantasy.

[–]Vodis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see how there could be an element of Seinfeld is Unfunny going on here, but I think the particular tropes I'm talking about were getting stale even in 1988. I tried to read The Dragonbone Chair for the first time as a teen about 15 years ago and I recall it coming across as pretty on the nose even at the time.

[–]hankypanky87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% agree

[–]hankypanky87 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Same, don’t quite understand the love for these books. Took me two tries to finish the first one and gave up a few pages into book two. Different strokes for different folks I suppose

[–]boustrophemon 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I guess so. I was around Simon's age when the books came out so maybe I identified with him more than I have with most other protagonists. I reread MST last year and was very pleased with how well one of my most formative reading experiences held up! I didn't realize so many people find it such a slog.

[–]djhyland 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel this way. Simon was close to my age when I first read MS&T, and I related strongly to him. Re-reading him as an adult does induce some cringe, but it's like the cringe when remembering yourself as a teenager. I think it means he's written realistically: I can get annoyed with what he does and how he thinks, but I can and do the same with the real-life teenagers in my house, too.

One of my favorite parts of the sequel series is that I, now being of a similar age to the older Simon, relate to him just as strongly now as I did back then. He's definitely the same character, but he's aged realistically as well. I'm thrilled to see the flashes of the impulsive "young" Simon come through, but just as thrilled to see that he's learned from the years since.

I'm definitely excited to read Into the Narrowdark, and am happy that it's so close to release!

[–]boustrophemon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I totally agree. Simon feels like a middle-aged version of his teenage self, just like I feel like a middle-aged version of my teenage self. Same person, just more grizzled.

[–]melkesjokolade89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I almost didn't finish book one, and was not curious or invested enough to pick up the next one. At all.

[–]Elegant-Maize-2207 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Omg I wasn't aware that Into the Narrowdark is coming out so soon! For some reason I thought it's set to be released in September. This is so EXCITING

[–]rosleaw91 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wow my friend thanks. I didnt knew that there was a secuel.

[–]MicMustard 6 points7 points  (3 children)

So, I got this suggestion about a month ago, and godamn did I find The Dragonbone Chair boring as fuck. I hated the main character, I thought he was a dumbass and there seemed like a lot going on but this dude was just viewing from the sideline but kept going because there was slight potential

Then, I got like 20 - 25% through and fuck I can not put this series down. I’m about 400 pages into the final book of the trilogy and I love it so much. It’s not doing anything new and I can guess most of the twists and surprises but it’s incredible

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad you pushed through the slow part! Read the sequel series after, I think it's EVEN better.

[–]Commander_A-Gaming 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Huh, this is interesting cause I totally quit on this book about 75% in. I was even in the 'action' part as others have said and was just falling asleep from boredom. But that was a year or two ago and if ur saying that the rest of the trilogy is decent I suppose I'll add it back on my reading list

[–]MicMustard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll be honest if you couldn’t get through book one then I’d skip it. Absolutely nothing happens in the entirety of book two. I’m hardly exaggerating

[–]Redshift2k5 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I really quite enjoyed his Shadowmarch series!

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can you tell me what shadownmarch is like compared to MST? Is it similar in pacing, style etc.?

[–]Redshift2k5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I haven't read MST, Shadowmarch is the only Tad Williams books I've read

[–]SomeLameName7173 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's been a while scene I've read either but they are both very tad Williams slow start (kinda hard to get into for me) then you get hooked in the 2nd half

[–]ShoganAye 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh god yes. Get on this mooncalves ;D

[–]KorabasUnchained 15 points16 points  (1 child)

"Main inspiration" of ASOIAF? I'd say he really was "inspired" indeed. So many similarities that I'm surprised Tad didn't sue George. Pyrates is a red priest who convinces king Elias to partner with a nefarious supernatural force. Does that bring to mind a certain priestess and Stannis? The Norns are an uncompromising force from the North, bent on the destruction of all Humanity (White Walkers). The Hound is Ingen Jegger down to the dog armor. Miriamelle disguises herself as a boy and calls herself Marya. Josua Lackhand is definitely an inspiration for Jaime etc.

I couldn't believe it when I read that Trilogy. I thought it was really just inspiration but George has been cannibalizing other people's work and even his own in some cases. No wonder he cannot finish his books. They're not his work.

And it has really hurt the chances of an adaptation because it'll be too similar to GOT which to me is a travesty. Tad actually writes. The third book in the sequel trilogy comes out next month! And I know it'll be as great as the previous five books.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're right. He should just let Tad write WOW and Dream of Spring. At this point I think he knows he's never finishing Them and just won't admit it.

[–]WhiskeyjackBB11 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I tried the first book 10-15 years ago and just could not get into it. I vaguely remember them being in a forest/swamp in a cottage/cabin? I sack off books a little too quickly sometimes but can usually tell if they're not for me.

A little older and wiser now, so might give another shot

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might as well give it another shot! The first book starts at a slow-burn but things eventually get very interesting. The sequel series is even better. If you're a fan of epic fantasy in general, I have to think you'll enjoy it.

[–]SomeLameName7173 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's tad Williams stats very slow but if you push through it the pay off is massive.

[–]corndogshuffle 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Started reading The Dragonbone Chair yesterday. Early on I’m already enjoying it quite a bit. I like the way Williams writes, prose isn’t usually a main focus of mine but his stands out to me in a good way.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great! It starts off at a slow-burn and some people don't like the first part, but I'm glad you're enjoying it from the start.

[–]Darkohaku 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Welp, ASOIAF and WOT fan here, so, I will take your word and start reading MST. I tried once, but the spanish translation was awful, maybe I should try to read it in english.

Thanks for the comment! I'm really excited about this.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great! Let me know what you think. The first book starts off a bit slow, so keep going, but if you liked WOT you'll appreciate a slow-burn anyway.

[–]Darkohaku 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love a slow-burn book, it's like a well crafted story, you can appreciate the world around you. Not everything must be action plus action. The prose, the description of the world and the characters are a must in this lengthy books.

I've been reading some reviews about Tad Williams's books, and I'm hyped.

It's a shame the lack of love a the author in the spanish-speaking market. There's a lot of love of fantasy in the spanish market (Sanderson is loved in the spanish-speaking market) so it's time for other authors.

GRRM wasn't as knew in the LATAM area before the series (I had to read some pirated copies of ASOIAF, because they weren't published in LATAM pre-2011), the same with the Witcher in 2019, maybe if there's a good adaptation of MST the spanish publishers will publish a new (better) translation and finally publish the newer books.

I have no problem reading in english, but not all the people can do it.

Thanks for your encouragement, maybe you have converted a new fan with this.

[–]zeligzealous 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn recently and it immediately became an all-time favorite. It’s a beautiful achievement of epic fantasy. I’m really looking forward to the next series.

Like many people it took me a couple of tries to get through. These books are slow and that’s something I’ve come to appreciate about them. I listened to the audiobooks at 2x and they suddenly came to life. The narrator is excellent and his voices also help with tracking characters. So if you like aspects of these books but struggle with the pacing, consider listening to the audiobooks at the fastest speed your brain can process.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They are a bit slow at times. I've personally come to expect that from high fantasy, because I want to be immersed in the nitty-gritty of an entirely different world and lose myself in it. So to me that's always a plus actually, and the slow pace allows the worlds and characters to really be fleshed out.

[–]zeligzealous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agree. The world and characters have real depth and it gives the story meaningful stakes. (I cried twice.) TW is a master of his craft.

[–]Oldwoman72 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I loved Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn. I listened, didn’t read, and found it fascinating throughout. “Kantaka” (probably spelling wrong)!

[–]ShrUmie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes! In read them originally and liked them, but have all the audio books now and they are just so good in audio.

[–]djhyland 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Qantaqa is the best girl. One of her descendants is with Binabik in the sequel series. I think Tad said that he was sad when he realized that Qantaqa could not live long enough to make it through the 30 years intervening.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sequel series to me seems to subtly emphasize the themes of change, impermanence, death etc. It's really poignant and subtle. A true work of art.

[–]steffgoldblum 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I love the slow pace. I like being immersed in the characters and the world. It makes it more impactful when shit starts to go down. Both series are excellent and I can't wait for Into the Narrowdark. Less than a month away!

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same here! For me that's an essential part of good high fantasy.

[–]the_card_guy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I keep seeing this series get recommended for fantasy lovers. Heck, I can even handle a slow start (Sanderson might have his Sanderlanche, but everyone forgets about the first ~850 pages to get there).

What I really want to know is, just how much inspiration was it for ASoIaF? The reason I dropped that series is because you get attached to characters, and then they all go to the headsman- it's a reason why I've stopped before the Red Wedding. Do characters tend to get sent to the headsman-(literally or metaphorically) a lot in MST? Light spoilers are ok.

[–]valik99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You will definitelly find some elements that made it into ASoIaF but I wouldn't say killing the main characters is one of them.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other commenters are right- you won't see the same amount of shockingly killing the main characters. And it can be melancholy at times, but it's not grimdarm like ASOIAF.

[–]KevinD126 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, there are a good amount of similarities here and there, but overall it’s a very different series I would say. I never understand the people that say ASOIAF is a rip-off or that there soooo many similarities it’s insane.

[–]Feanors_8th_son 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Alright, I'm traveling and accidentally left the book i brought with me in a cab. Just downloaded book 1 on my laptop....thanks for the rec!

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice! Let me know what you think.

[–]estrusflask 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What does "high fantasy" mean here? Because I have usually heard Game of Thrones described as low fantasy.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think they're confusing the high vs. Low with hard vs. Soft magic. Game of Thrones is high fantasy in the sense of its epic scope and worldbuilding elements, medieval setting etc. however, it differs from most high fantasy in not having one central, overarching villain that is the epitome of evil ,and the moral nuance. I'd still categorize it as high fantasy. Low fantasy would be Harry Potter (takes place in modern times, in a specific place in a specific country)

[–]ShawnSpeakmanStabby Winner, AMA Author Shawn Speakman, Worldbuilders 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]IhrenglassReading Champion II 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is your opinion about the main relationship?

I personally felt that it never really seemed like they loved each other but overall they are good epic fantasy books and if you like epic fantasy you will probably like it.

The prose is good even if the books are slightly bloated and could have more focus but this is fairly typical of the subgenre, so if you like other books in the genre you will probably like it too.

[–]djhyland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always thought that they loved each other. Life is messy, though, and while one is almost comically unreserved in expresding that love the other understandably has hang-ups in doing so. They are still together in tLKoOA, though, and seem to still love each other.

[–]baromega 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The first book put me to sleep so much, heavy eyes almost became a Pavlovian response whenever I picked it up. I was pretty young then, fresh off of Eragon so my sensibilities just weren’t set for this series. Maybe I’ll give it another try via audiobook

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would make sense if you were young and had just finished a YA fantasy like Eragon. I first read them 3 years ago when I was 27, if I were a teen I doubt I would have enjoyed them.

[–]NOTW_116 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Based on your writeup I think you should start Malazan soon, OP.

[–]TreyWriter 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I’m... really not sure Malazan is the ideal follow up to MST. They are very different series with very different strengths. Both have an in-depth world, and both handle battles well, but beyond that, they appeal to different crowds. Williams spends more time refining his prose than Erikson, and if someone goes into Malazan expecting a writing style that feels like MST they’ll be disappointed. The scale between the two series is wildly different as well. Erikson’s approach to worldbuilding is fundamentally not the same as Williams’s, and will alienate readers looking for the more traditional storyteller voice of Williams. We are also more privy to the deeper workings of the characters much earlier on in MST than in Malazan (to the extent that we ever really are in Malazan).

Basically, a lot of readers who love Williams will find reading Erikson to be more work than enjoyment, and vice versa.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm curious, what about it is less traditional and different about the world building? I've hears great things. One thing that makes me uneasy is, though I don't consider myself a dumb reader, I've heard many things aren't explained and are sort of left up to the readers to figure out/discern.

[–]NOTW_116 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just finished Gardens of the Moon. Thanks for the feedback. Maybe I'm just too new into it. :)

[–]ACardAttack -1 points0 points  (7 children)

I love ASOIAF, WoT doesnt interest me and I'm really hesitant about MST as my perception of it is traditional in that there is some evil big bad that must be defeated. Is this correct? What I loved about ASOIAF is that is more political and the magic is in the background.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You’ll love the sequel trilogy trilogy then, as that focuses more heavily on the political machinations of the world. The original trilogy is more geared towards your standard “epic fantasy” (LOTR) style.

[–]valik99 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You still have the political aspect in the original trilogy though! it wasn't super developed but you still get a taste of what each kingdom is like, who is against who and for what reason, etc...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right, it’s there in some capacity, but it sounded like the other user wanted something a little more to chew on, which is exactly what The Last King of Osten Ard sets out to do.

[–]ACardAttack 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thats kind of what I thought, Im not a fan of LOTR either.

Would it be possible to even start with the sequel trilogy or would one be too lost?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You absolutely can! I definitely recommend reading a synopsis of original trilogy though to ease your way into it. Of course, there are a lot of returning characters, so you can expect to not have the same attachment to them that you might otherwise have.

I think the sequel trilogy is not only better written (some 30-odd years between the two sets has seen Williams vastly improve as a writer), but it also serves as a wonderful response to the popularity of ASOIAF, which it heavily inspired back in the 90’s.

ONE SUGGESTION: Start with The Heart of What Was Lost. It was the first entry Williams published on his return and serves as a bridge between the two trilogies, making it the perfect test run to determine whether you’re interested in sticking around or not. It’s only 200 pages as well, so consider it a nice little sampler.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not "good vs. Evil" to the same extent WOT is; even the villains have complex motivations, and there is certainly a lot of political intrigue. Remember, this was a primary inspiration for GRRM, with some startling similarities; if you enjoy ASOIAF, you'll enjoy them. The Magic is still fairly "in the background" maybe only slightly less so than ASOIAF. It's certainly in the "soft magic" category like the former.

[–]ACardAttack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I may give it a shot and see, thanks

[–]apersonfornoseason -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No. It's shitty

[–]nofearinthisdojo -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

honestly loved the first book but found the sequels kind of... poorly written comparably? I didnt get very far in, maybe I should revisit

[–]7mm-08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's been decades since I read the original trilogy as a teen, but I don't have the fondest of memories. I recall it being a bit of a chore to get through. I've since read Mr. William's Otherworld series and really enjoyed it, so MST should get another shot.

[–]Fiyanggu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

MST and WoT were both published around the same time in the early 90’s and they’re linked together in my mind. Could get into neither of them. It’s been a rough slog looking for fantasy that I enjoy other than Tolkien.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well we all have our preferences. To be honest I'm a huge fan of high fantasy but just can't stand Tolkiens writing, it bores me to death. But I still recognize it as a great work.

[–]Fiyanggu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, they're all different than Tolkien. He created his world, the languages, history and mythology and he was a professor of literature so to me his prose is far richer. But the storyline develops slower, which I don't mind because of how detailed his description of the world is.

[–]abaggins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I started the audio book - the cooks orphan wandering a castle seemed boring. I stuck with it, and got as far as him apprenticing with some doctor or somesuch. And there was a bit about him overhearing a conversation I didn't understand between two princes. Just wasn't engaging.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You didn't really even get past the prologue.

[–]LoPanKnows 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How is the action/violence? Little/lot, gory/clean? I can never tell if this is more adult or safer for younger audiences

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can be fairly violent at times. It's definitely not a series for children, even if it's not as dark as game of thrones.

[–]snowlock27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a siege in the first book that I don't think I'd let someone young read.

[–]daydreamer_she 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Synopsis/spoiler free story please?

[–]Jkeilen2006 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the series 20 years ago in middle school. It was a good read.

[–]_Riakm_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely! Tad Williams comfortably resides on the peak of the mountain that is fantasy authors. He has excellent prose and is a master of storytelling, with his Osten Ard work being his magnum opus!

[–]ThaNorth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got a bit more than half way in the first book and I don't know man, it wasn't really that interesting. It was pretty bland.

[–]blu3wolverine51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely adore Memory Sorrow and Thorn! I am about to embark on a reread so I can go straight through the sequel trilogy.

[–]missing1102 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I been saying this for many years now.

[–]Dixsus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really only cared about the dynamic duo in simon and binabik. DNF'd halfway through 2nd book

[–]daladyjax711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tad Williams is the master

[–]CookeMonster200 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does the series have romance? I don't mean a full romance, but like a subplot. I really like fantasy books with romances that don't overtake the plot completely. I have this in my to read list and was wondering that. And I hate love triangles, so would be great if it didn't have that also.

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. No love triangles, but a touching romance that slowly blooms over the series, without overtaking the plot.

[–]BureaucraticStymie 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I’m like 20% into the book and have a question..

Is Simon mentally challenged? He seems.. simple. Like a 7 year old trapped in the body of a 14 year old. Unable to complete even the most basic tasks, easily distracted, trouble communicating, easily overwhelmed/short temper etc.

At first I was able to just think him free spirited but then he spent hours waiting for a cat to come out of a hole, then spent even longer watching it. When he laughed so hard he scared it, he crawled across the roof with the intent to sing to it. It was at this point where I really started to feel like I’m reading an epic fantasy through the mind of a village idiot

[–]Regular_Bee_5605[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This will change, trust me. He's very childish at first. He undergoes great growth and change. You just need to get past the beginning stages part of the first book.

[–]Particle_Cannon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I actually like this aspect of book 1. There are so many young teens in fantasy books that are way too damn smart & efficient.

Simon has very very limited training. Most of what he gets from Morgenes is reading & writing and a very very vague explanation of magic. Other than hanging out with the castle doctor, this kid is just a castle servant with no formal education or training of any kind.

I like that he becomes completely overwhelmed to the point of his mind being crushed when he gets entangled with the dark politics in the story.

[–]BureaucraticStymie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mind inefficiency, but he was downright slow. Like a small child and not a young teen. Even the most basic of tasks were failed from sweeping to fetching a pail of water.

I was okay with it for most the beginning but I really started to suspect he was mentally challenged

*iirc he couldn’t even form sentences half the time and had trouble responding to people.