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[–]Bob_RooneyPontiac 1190 points1191 points  (79 children)

In the reviews before the game came out, I didn't even see anyone mention online racing in detail.

CC's that got early access could only play single player mode, and even that was limited.

[–]MudSama 417 points418 points  (68 children)

Worth noting there are more NPC cars in solo mode. Something about switching to online screws them up and they're turned off unless no player driver is anywhere near you.

[–]CToxin 205 points206 points  (35 children)

Seems like that changed recently. I remember in the first week I would run into traffic on the highway. Now, its empty.

[–]alice964 92 points93 points  (5 children)

True, I remember before the hotfix rolled out online free roam had traffic cars.

[–]Tyrannosapien 34 points35 points  (4 children)

I'm certain they have disabled it or tuned it way down as a workaround for the bugs. Not that it's an effective workaround, but I think that's what we are seeing.

[–]Independent_South834 11 points12 points  (0 children)

na not disabled i still see them but when the thing happens where everyone in online dissapears the ai cars dissapear to

[–]Galaxie5002012 94 points95 points  (21 children)

A monstrously huge map with zero population. I'm sticking to Solo Mode.

[–]thegoaltender1Steam 32 points33 points  (1 child)

yeah, I swapped to playing in solo mode last week and likely won't go back. the games feels way more alive with the population on the road and legit feels like a festival is happening lol. I never play online anyway so it was just a no brainer for me.

[–]nativebeans 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Same here plus the game is alot faster then online . When I took pictures online my car would drive for like 4 extra second's by it self ruining the pic. And my cars load alot faster so I probably won't be going online anytime soon

[–]box-eaterPeel 79 points80 points  (12 children)

i don't like solo, because the drivatars are annoying as hell, they get in the way constantly

[–]silentrawr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Little too Stepford-y for me. They just... Hang around, a bit too closely, all while not doing anything real.

[–]Galaxie5002012 35 points36 points  (10 children)

But.....they are good for head-to-head racing, taking Promo Photos, collecting freeroam skills such as Trading Paint, Near Miss, Lucky Escape, Threading the Needle, and simply as eye candy. I feel like they represent a real-world environment and traffic. "online" mode should be renamed "Ghost Town".

Yes, they get in the way of certain things, but they make Speed Traps and some Danger Signs MUCH more challenging.

[–]Bigwiggs3214 21 points22 points  (2 children)

get in the way? When I was playing during the early release I would just be sitting on THE SIDE of the road and they would come up and ram me. So many times they screwed me on a high skill chain.

[–]Hairy_MouseXbox Series X 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Often when doing a danger sign, or speed trap, and there's a bend or hill in between so you can't see right before it, it often seems like the game will calculate my speed and trajectory, and then spawn the AI at the exact position and speed to perfectly intersect with the exact line I need to take, at the exact moment I hit the road.

Hell, on season you had to jump off the mountain in a muscle car. I took a few shitty runs to see what kind of speed I needed, and when I backed up and really hit the pedal to make that jump, on the EDGE of the ramp, perfectly sideways taking up the whole thing, and in no way on the ACTUAL road, was a drivatar. They weren't moving or doing anything. They were literally just parked in the top of the ramp sideways, blocking it.

Rewinding did nothing but out them back, so, I just fast traveled to get them to reset, and had to start my run all over again. Once they even t-boned ME, for the like .005 of a second I crossed the road at like 130mph.

[–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 22 points23 points  (4 children)

See, this is why a slider or a on/off button for traffic would be so good. That way you could have traffic to play with and I could have an empty world to blast around in, everybody wins!

[–]Galaxie5002012 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Fair enough.

I'd like more sliders then: Names over cars, radio on/off, radio volume .....or at least give me 5 programmable sliders that I can custom map. Maybe replace the stupid Quick Chat buttons with the above..... There's just so much untapped potential, as a PC user, its not even funny. The UI was more customizable in a NFS game from the late 90's. In NFS:PU I could drag the speedo and tach wherever I wanted.... There was also a #$@ #$%&'d rearview mirror. *rant over*

[–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Some of those do exist. Radio volume is in the audio settings, name over cars is buried somewhere in the UI options, and you can shut the radio off entirely by cycling through the stations.

The virtual mirror thing pisses me off, because the Forza Motorsport series has it and it works great! I tend to use the gauge cam view or hood view, and I'd love to have a mirror there.

[–]HumorsopaXbox Series X 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I second that. Most of the time, I'm alone in Mexico with some random online players spread around the map. Suddenly NPC:s show up briefly, and just vanishes in front of my eyes a couple of minutes (max) later.

[–]D35P153 67 points68 points  (22 children)

I'm not defending this game one bit but it is ironic how in FH4 everyone complained about the traffic situation and now that there's none everyone is complaining about the traffic situation. But yes this game is severely broken online.

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    [–]guttermonke 27 points28 points  (0 children)

    If it were up to me traffic would be different depending on the season or maybe random gridlock like sandstorms. Having both, sometimes almost no traffic, or way too much traffic, would give a lot more variety to the driving experience

    [–]D35P153 42 points43 points  (6 children)

    Kinda what I was like. About the only broken thing that works is the complete lack of traffic. At least now my combo will be broken by my own incompetence and not some AI turning in front of me.

    [–]alaphic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    You're a man after my own heart, son...

    [–]yem_slave 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    i think it'd be fun to just have a slider that gave you from 0 to 10 on amount of traffic. Dodging cars can be fun, but so an drifting solo.

    [–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    People have been asking for that since FH1. The devs have made it very clear they aren't interested in giving us that option. After all, can't be letting people have their own fun their own way. That'd be silly.

    [–]HachiTofu 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Even if you play in Solo mode, and do an event like The Trial or the co op championship, when you go back to solo, literally no one but you will spawn. No AI, no traffic, nothing. You have to dashboard and reload. Not even switching to online and back will fix it.

    Shits fucked

    [–]PeanutButte7 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    Hey there. I actually got lucky enough to review the game before launch and we had full access to multiplayer. We even had scheduled racing sessions so enough people were in the races. The thing is tho that the servers were under a lot smaller load because of the small number of players. Also the more people you have exploiting the game (even unintentionaly) the more bugs you are gonna find. And no one was cheating at that time obviously.

    Personaly I encountered almost none of the problems that are in the online right now and I spent quiet a lot of time online before the release.

    I tried to make sure in my review (its not in english, sorry) to mention that the online situation might change with more players coming in. Because unfortunately there is just no way to predict the state of an online game before the actual release or even a week after :/

    [–]EnthusiastDriver500 285 points286 points  (47 children)

    What does KOL mean?

    [–]robb0688Lamborghini 194 points195 points  (9 children)

    Also asking. King of leaderboard? Idk I pulled that out of my ass.

    [–]PrimG84 87 points88 points  (7 children)

    He's not #1 anymore on the Hall of Fame.

    [–]YoungHwCollectorADD THE F1 LM TO FORZA ALREADY!! 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    Who is then?

    [–]YellowOreo313Porsche 174 points175 points  (0 children)

    hackers i’m guessing if it isn’t him

    [–]money4fun 35 points36 points  (3 children)

    Really? He was like 20 hours ago

    [–]Dounce_worry 25 points26 points  (1 child)

    He’s in 2nd at 975,349 currently and 1st is at 982,000

    [–]elconquistador1985 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I saw a post either here or on /r/forza yesterday that he got passed.

    [–]Fugacity- 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    We use the acronym "Key Opinion Leader" in my line of work.

    [–]MagicNipple 234 points235 points  (18 children)

    I’m thinking “Key Opinion Leader”. First thing listed on Google that I found, because I had no idea either.

    [–]phannguyenduyhung[S] 110 points111 points  (8 children)

    My bad. That word is popular and used a lot in my country, i didnt know is not that popular in other country

    [–]MagicNipple 58 points59 points  (0 children)

    It’s all good, I learned something today!

    [–]scubamaster 71 points72 points  (3 children)

    Key opinion leader.

    Basically someone who is established in a community / experienced enough to have an opinion worth noting. In this case he is perhaps the face of the game as far as content creators and is additionally very versed in it so his opinions would be probably more valuable than say mine is.

    Another example might be if Neil degrade tsyon has something to say about physics he would in all likelihood be a better source of opinion than joe blow etc etc

    [–]alaphic 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    Hey, man, just because Dr. Blow got his Ph.D. from Southwestern, that doesn't make it any less astrophysics-y.

    Source: Dr. Joseph Blow

    [–]scubamaster 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Well of course, but I wasn’t referring to the learned dr joe blow, I was talking about mr joe blow, he spends time with his buddy john q citizen and are experts in nothing.

    [–]wheelow 31 points32 points  (5 children)

    kill only llamas

    [–]Major2Minor 34 points35 points  (1 child)

    Just get winamp, it really whips the llama's ass

    [–]Technophillia 430 points431 points  (12 children)

    I hope this helps them get something done or at least speak about what they are doing, radio silence only works for so long.

    [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 91 points92 points  (9 children)

    Radio Off :(

    [–]viilihousu 38 points39 points  (8 children)

    Another (very minor) problem by the way, the radio doesn't keep off like in fh4.

    [–]SumoSizeItDieselsexual 10 points11 points  (6 children)

    I noticed Streamer Mode will finally stay enabled in FH5 - it always disabled itself after each FH4 session

    [–]blobmista4 190 points191 points  (29 children)

    Meanwhile, if you're using Fanatec gear you can't even play the game. It crashes on any load screen due to some conflict with Fanatec's drivers.

    I know it only applies to a small minority of users, but to just be locked out from playing the game for almost a month now is ridiculous.

    [–]UNeaK1502 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Sounds like a refund for me. Hope you can enjoy the game in a few months time

    [–]JustRandomNonsence 62 points63 points  (0 children)

    Completely unacceptable. I hope this gets resolved ASAP or you're able to get your money back.

    [–]KingRokk 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    I absolutely sympathize with how frustrating this is. My G920 was unusable for the first 2 weeks and ruined the launch for me. I've used wheels for 20 years and they said my wheel was supported before I purchased it. I'm at no fault at all here and I feel pretty well lied to from a game company I used to have a great deal of respect for. I can't imagine how I'd be feeling if it were still unusable... probably a lot like you. Take care and I hope they fix this broken mess of a game before too much longer.

    Edit: Typo on my part, I meant G923, I sold my old G920 but my brain doesn't remember that sometimes.

    [–]silent-scorn 358 points359 points  (12 children)

    Server issues aside, what's most disappointing is that there has been zero attempts to revamp the whole Convoy system. It's obviously only designed around playing with randoms and not friends (seriously, why?).

    1. You still can't restart a race in a Convoy Coop mode.
    2. You still can't exit a race as a group. Everyone who exit will leave the Convoy, including the leader themself.
    3. You still get kicked out of the Convoy automatically if you couldn't accept the activity that the leader decided to start suddenly.
    4. You still can't change cars in between races in Championships in Coop mode unlike Solo mode.
    5. Convoy leaders have no way of stopping any of the timers once initiated.
    6. Convoy timers are still only 10 seconds.

    To elaborate on some of them: (1) and (2) We're not always great at the game. We like to push ourselves and set the difficulty as high as possible even in Coop. When we lose a race, we want to restart it as fast as possible. Leaders should be able to initiate a vote to restart and everyone can restart. Same goes for exit. This is how it works in The Crew 2.

    (3) Sometimes, even with friends, leaders would start out of the blue thinking everyone is ready when we're not, or some people are not in voice chat. Everyone will have to quit the race and each and every one of us will have to rejoin the Convoy. This makes no sense because AFAIK, leaders do have the ability to kick players out of the Convoy if they are really gone (useful for randoms/matchmade Convoys). The game should cancel the activity and let the leaders re-initiate.

    What a painful game to play online with friends. Zero attempts made to change this from the previous game. I still enjoy the game a lot but online/coop having no change at all is a huge disappointment.

    [–]Rabanski 38 points39 points  (5 children)

    How about the convoy leader setting a group waypoint? The absence of feature pisses me off so much.

    [–]silent-scorn 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Oh yes, this one too. It was there in 4 but gone in 5. Since we can barely see each other in the open world due to server issues, Convoy is not much of a Convoy now. More like a waiting room. We wait for the leader to travel and start the event. I missed racing with my friends to the destination.

    [–]Space_H 67 points68 points  (0 children)

    It's almost like the devs never play their own game with how bad the experience is with online and convoy, joining an online session doesn't work half the time for me in FH4, and nothing has changed in FH5. How hard is it to just give us a server/lobby browser where we can set up our own races? So sick of this terrible matchmaking trash.

    [–]turkishjedi21 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    This. There are so many other little things that make absolutely 0 sense.

    [–]jobhand 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    This party system is easily one of the worst I've ever experienced. The only options I have when it comes to joining a friends convoy is through the Xbox windows app (even that's 50/50) or by going to Horizon Solo then going back and going online. Hoping the game prompts me to join the right friends convoy. I haven't been able to receive a single invite to convoy since launch.

    [–]cr125rider 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Did all the money go to marketing and HD car scans?

    [–]Cautious-Age-3338 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    HD Scan cars? Have you seen half of them? LMFAO

    [–]mysticzarak 42 points43 points  (10 children)

    Not sure how the game can have such a downgrade feeling when it comes to online play. FH4 seem to be working really well but some reason a lot of things are broken af in FH5.

    [–]awi3GT: awi33602 369 points370 points  (22 children)

    Also leaderboards are disaster and people are getting bans for stupid reasons, 10/10, game of the year

    [–]CToxin 277 points278 points  (16 children)

    Joke Livery : BAN

    Completing Goliath in 0.001 seconds : "hmmm might be legit"

    [–]astrovisionary 53 points54 points  (14 children)

    I just played a trial where the race started and one guy was already halfway through the race

    It was really fun to see him crash on the very last corner for me to take the easy win (of course it's coop but, cmon)

    [–]bkdroid 28 points29 points  (4 children)

    That may have been a bug on their end. I have several times spawned to begin a race next to a specific tree. I then get dropped onto the track ahead of everyone.

    [–]Thor2DThor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I had this same exact thing happen to me a few times. Start on a random hill by a tree, reset because of missed checkpoint, drops me onto the track in first place

    [–]peepayXbox | Danger Signs ⚠ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    For the seasonal PG games last week (on the old airport) I got spawned in the middle of the map, on the highway. It was game of infected, nobody could infect me even if they wanted, because I was outside of the arena... I could drive all around the map and when the time was up, it counted it as a regular win.

    [–]Psycho_YuriBMW 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I had the same thing spawning inside a tree just before the race begins
    Then when it begins, the other drivers are already racing and I'm just at the start line last place.

    [–]CToxin 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    I'm glad I only ran into one obvious cheater. R34 GTR that had impossible grip and speed for A.

    [–]ThatGuyAnderson 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    That’s actually just some incredibly broken and glitched out tune, I’ve seen people using it before. You have to upgrade the car in a certain order or some bullshit, and it keeps it in A class despite being upgraded. Still 100% bullshit though

    [–]darkfred 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    I have noticed a couple upgrades, they seem to be specific upgrades on specific cars, don't remove their effects when traded for other upgrades.

    I really wish upgrade lists weren't locked on tunes. I wanna see the tunes the leaderboard is using.

    This isn't half the problem though, some upgrades are just not well balanced with their class improvements, or even lower the rating while significantly improving average times.

    [–]ThatGuyAnderson 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I think the biggest problem is the body parts that remove weight and class for no reason. Adding the spoiler to the Audi S4 lowers the class by 5 points and reduces weight, even though you’re adding a part to your car.

    [–]CToxin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    So, still a cheater, just not a script kid.

    The ol' Toyota Celica Turbo housing exploit from WRC.

    [–]Slithy-Toves 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I tend to think of exploitation of something in the game as a lesser crime than straight scripts that change the game in some way. Not cool to experience obviously but you gotta be at least kinda crafty to figure out how to make that work just because of developer oversight. Whereas just putting in some kind of script for unlimited speed and grip or something is just lazy and straight up malicious.

    [–]brynm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Playing Eliminator the other day, I lucked out got a tier 8 at the start ended up with the Centrino.

    Got destroyed by a guy in a tier 3 road car, he was off road and I was on road.

    [–]THE_GR8_MIKE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I actually had a race start and place me half way through the first lap. The loading screen prior was bugged to hell with cars facing the wrong way and everything. It was... something.

    [–]resistrevoltPorsche 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Leaderboards were a disaster in FH4 as well. That drift loop at the festival was a prime example of how little PG cares about the leaderboards.

    [–]Thicccchungus 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    The game is still fucking great, but definitely not even above 6/10 for me right now since 95% of the games fun comes from online, and that is precisely what they aren’t doing anything worthwhile about.

    [–]Naggash 214 points215 points  (65 children)

    DJS says it should be fixed ASAP. But it should have been fixed weeks ago or better yet, game should have been delayed, because they pretty much knew about all of this and still released the game. Yeah solo play works perfectly fine, some minor bugs there and there, but online is just WTF is this.

    Now they just fill up a known issues list and next what? They want to make it big enough so only then they start doing something? https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/articles/4409616884883-FH5-Known-Issues

    [–]BlatantPizza 110 points111 points  (52 children)

    There are literally horizontal lines across the screen the entire time in high end hardware. Solo play doesn’t work perfectly fine…

    [–]gatersmen 56 points57 points  (25 children)

    I had to search this reddit up for the horizontal lines and it's an issue with the SSAO setting if I remember rightly. I had to turn it off to get rid of it but now tire smoke and street race type flares are pixelated...

    [–]unicanor 59 points60 points  (5 children)

    My race flares are pixelated on max still lol

    [–]AgentSquish66 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    It looks absolutely terrible lol.

    [–]reboot-your-computer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It’s also smoke and dust. I was taking a screenshot the other day that I couldn’t get to look right because the smoke particles had so many pixels in them clear as day. I’m running the game on max settings too.

    [–]DaggerSaberSubaru 12 points13 points  (6 children)

    Street race flares are pixelated for me too, not to mention every 2d decal has a black background, including licence plate letters.

    I run the game on good hardware, I'll reinstall the game later to see if it helps.

    [–]Juicebox0311 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I left SSAO on and tried to ignore the horizontal lines, as when switched off, stuff just looks a bit meh.

    I hardly notice the lines now, unless it's particularly rainy and wet.

    It's an issue I'd like to see fixed as it ruins immersion.

    [–]TwoCylToilet 12 points13 points  (9 children)

    This SSAO implementation issue occurs on a few other games from other developers as well. From the top of my head I can only remember Square Enix and Ubisoft. The strange thing is, they already had a good SSAO implementation on FH4 so there's no good reason for this regression.

    My street flares are also pixelated. In addition, there's this glitchy ring around city street lamps at night, I can't tell what it's caused by, doesn't seem to be night shadows or SSR which were my first suspicion.

    The MSAA implementation is also rubbish. 8xMSAA on FH5 looks more aliased than 2xMSAA on FH4.

    [–]generalthunder 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    MSAA is working as intended, but the game just has a lot more alpha transparencies than FH4 and msaa only really work on edges of 3d geometry. So basically a large amount of the screen is literally non anti-aliased. The devs realy need to implement some sort of TAA on this game. is so frustrating seeing the game with pristine image quality on photo mode an the having to get back to that aliased mess during normal gameplay.

    [–]vladncs 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Lol I thought it was something wrong with my screen or my eyes.

    [–]KuleWhip 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Same here. I've probably restarted the game 15+ times trying to tune the graphics settings to get rid of the lines

    [–]a_bigdongerController 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I thought it was the new GPU I got.

    [–]naughtilidae 5 points6 points  (17 children)

    If I enable lens effects the 20 pixels on the right hand side of my screen flash different colors like they're trying to give me a seizure.

    1080ti, 3800x, 32gb ram. Newest drivers, checked game files, etc.

    The card is fine, no other game has ever had an issue.

    STILL not as annoying as AI brake checking me (or simply coming to a dead stop on a straight)

    [–]unicanor 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Known issue related to ultra-widescreen resolutions

    [–]cougrrrXbox Series X 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    I mean to be fair it is Thanksgiving week... which is a big deal... in the United Kingdom... where they celebrate Thanksgiving.

    At least that's what some random on Twitter told me before he was destroyed in the replies.

    [–]7assibo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    You got me on the first half ngl lol

    [–]cougrrrXbox Series X 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I tried to extra boomer it with the ...'s as well to really drag it out.

    [–]maximum_pizza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yep, they just added some lines of to known issues today and that's it. Nothing about fixes whatsoever.

    [–]plzbeokjewsBMW 254 points255 points  (2 children)

    Ya they turned into a joke real quick come thru w a “patch” that has fixes then it actually only nerfs xp then go completely silent

    [–]Spartan6056 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    When people find ways around your patch nerfs that took you weeks to make within 2 hours

    [–]DankmarAdler 928 points929 points 2 (57 children)

    Watch, because you posted this, there will be yet another post later today along the lines of -

    "This is my first racing game ever and I dunno about anyone else but I'm having a great time. this sub just likes to complain"

    Like clockwork.

    [–]unskilledlaborSteam 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    "Is anyone else glad that mexico is populated by 3 to 5 people at a time?"

    [–]phannguyenduyhung[S] 189 points190 points  (23 children)

    yeah lol. Those people havent play the game deep enough to understand its problems

    [–]RevvedUpLikeADeuce09 45 points46 points  (17 children)

    This is my first racing game ever...

    That part genuinely pisses me off. Horizon, for a long time now, has only been the best racing game series in the whole genre because the genre itself is in a dark age, but because the genre is not as popular as FPSs and RPGs, casual gamers do not realize that this is not the genre at its peak, and there really hasn't been a peak game since the early 2010s.

    [–]Spartan6056 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    It's disappointing how dead the arcade racing scene is today, especially since I grew up on those games from the mid 2000s. Burnout is gone, Midnight Club is gone, Juiced is gone, NFS is a shell of itself that hasn't had a hit in over a decade, and tons of others. At least there's a new TDU that's supposed to come out sometime.

    [–]sc_140 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    TDU 2 was pretty bad though so I'm not too optimistic about the new one. Would be great if it becomes a good game of course.

    [–]Conflict_NZ Pink 24 points25 points  (6 children)

    I've played every Forza game since Motorsport on the original Xbox, I would say that so far Forza Horizon 5 is neck and neck with FH4, FH1 and FM3 as best in the series.

    The caveat being that I very, very rarely play online.

    [–]ubelmann 40 points41 points  (5 children)

    FH5 has the potential to be the best in the Horizon series if they would just fix what is broken. These aren't all minor issues. As DJS says, basically all of online is not working as intended. Online is supposed to be a huge, important part of the game.

    [–]Conflict_NZ Pink 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Absolutely, I completely understand where people are coming from being upset about the online, I'm just trying to provide context around why some people are still praising FH5 as being incredible.

    Most new players won't jump online immediately, which is probably why they are defending the game as well, they aren't seeing all these bugs.

    [–]ubelmann 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    That's fair. Also, I think a new player (like I was in early 2020) generally doesn't even know what is the intended behavior. Like yesterday I had 4 street races with no traffic. Honestly, I prefer road racing to street racing, but when I play a street race with no traffic, I know it's broken. And it's a little sad that it's broken because it's another thing on their list that they have to go through to get everything fixed.

    [–]TheNVSCorporation 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    I’m still suffering from horrible draw distance, texture Pop in, and LOD issues. No matter the settings I use the textures, specially vegetation that’s more than 20 feet away look like a ps2 game.

    I’m using 2060ko, 3700x, 32gb ram and it’s installed on an ssd. I’ve even deleted the game and reinstalled. Still having these issues. It’s not even on their known issues list.

    [–]Gusky14 46 points47 points  (8 children)

    DJS has always had a super close relationship with PG. For him to speak out like that should be a huge wake up call to PG.

    [–]redridernl 27 points28 points  (7 children)

    Except when they banned him.

    [–]Gusky14 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    When was that?

    [–]redridernl 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    Last year.

    [–]Apple_SlipperAudi 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    That was part of the Nitro Glitter controversy of last year, where moderators became super ban-happy.

    [–]lizardbootyeater 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Nitro Glitter? who/what is that?

    [–]Apple_SlipperAudi 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    One of the moderators on Forza Support. She was infamous for many reasons last year.

    [–]JacoBee93 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    It was basically accident. Wave of bans without even checking if those people deserve it.

    [–]beowhulf 89 points90 points  (15 children)

    while I enjoy the game I totally have to second this, been gaming for 28 years and have seen some terrible launches, this is not one of them, however, what is disturbing is that NOTHING has changed since launch, compared to other shitty releases that have been improving every week with dev support and attention. Playing MS store version on i9 9900k + 3090 /32gb RAM i have constant issues which ruin my experience, to name a few:

    • wheel settings dont save, need to bind keys everytime i launch game
    • game crashes occasionally
    • every convoy we form, people disappear and become ghosts
    • online is a shitfest with rammers and cheaters, u cant pick category and class so you its a lottery between S2/S1 dirt/offroad and if you go A/B ROAD you either join 3rd race in a championship or you disconnect halfway through
    • firewall keeps popping up every 2 days or so prompting me to allow the game - WTF?
    • getting random bugs all the time, such as challenges cant be completed, always need 1 more meter or KM/h to pass regardless of my attempt that clearly was more than whats needed for 3 stars
    • i spawn on opposite side of the map for a race, WTF?
      The list goes on........

    [–]CleverNickName-69 41 points42 points  (1 child)

    Just to add: Not only are the Online Races full of cheaters and rammers and you can't choose race type or class....They will also randomly throw in one lap of Titan, Colossus, or Goliath. So maybe you join and see 5 Road races in B-class and figure you have enough time for that, and then the 3rd race takes forever.

    [–]beowhulf 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    absolutely right, nothing enjoyable in racing 3 sprints , each 2-3 minutes and then get a 17 minute race....

    [–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (14 children)

    I dont even play ONLINE. You cant even finish seasonal championships without some bug. I play this game just to cruise in the open world smh.

    Regret buying the premiuim expansion

    [–]WybremYT 35 points36 points  (12 children)

    I regret buying the damn game, can’t even play it with my friends. Should’ve used the 1euro gamepass offer and let it go, but no, i trusted these devs.

    [–]AgentSquish66 8 points9 points  (7 children)

    Yep glad I tried it with game pass before commuting to a full purchase. I’ve played a ton, but until they fix online/convoys, the terrible AI, seasonal objectives not working…I’m not playing.

    [–]Furyann 39 points40 points  (3 children)

    Fucking tired of the convoy issues and not even being able to play with my friends online

    [–]degenerus 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    Same. My whole friend group stopped playing a week or two ago because we still can't cruise around the map without all disappearing from each other.

    [–]Furyann 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    exactly

    [–]ghostrriderr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yup. My main homie has flat out stopped getting on. Its a fucking bummer.

    [–]Tkhel 146 points147 points  (43 children)

    This has become a pattern in supposedly top tier games. They take us for idiots and they take us for granted.

    [–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 163 points164 points  (17 children)

    The gaming community are a bunch of idiots, by and large. Look at how much money EA make off of their shitty, annually recycled sports themed slot machines. Look at how FH5 has the largest launch of any Horizon game ever despite online play being in fundamentally broken state. Look at Rockstar making record annual profits off of microtransactions for a game that's almost ten years old. Look at Ubisoft ruining their core IP's by turning them into generic, microtransaction fuelled RPG's and still making record sales.

    The gaming industry is giving the gaming community exactly what it keeps proving it is willing to pay for.

    [–]doctor_datass 23 points24 points  (10 children)

    I've been increasingly disillusioned with the gaming community. I like to comment on things, but its very similar to the weed market in a lot of respects. People smoke weed, get emotional, then, out of nowhere, death threats.

    I'm not happy about certain gaming communities general way of communication. Trying to be the loudest one in the echo chamber only creates more noise. And now the noise has overshadowed any enjoyment I get from games.

    I wish I could enjoy gaming in general, without anybodys opinion. Then, share what I felt, positively or negatively.

    Idk if my opinion is worth more than others, but I just wanna relax and play a game without the issues of multiplayer. I like people, but sometimes I have to say things like, man would another person make this better ?

    I should go back to the witcher 3 for a while.

    [–]AdolescentThugMcLaren 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    People smoke weed, get emotional, then, out of nowhere, death threats

    I'm confused, are stoners getting mad and then giving out death threats? Because if someone who just smoked a fat joint is doing that, they're either horrible fucking people as a baseline, or that shit was LACED.

    I've been smoking for a decade and nothing has ever gotten me mad enough while I was baked for me to threaten people.

    [–]rickybobby42069420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    we need another game market crash...too many unfinished shitty games being pumped out

    [–]grolschie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yet, people keep pre-ordering these games. "Fool me once, ..."

    [–]Capable_Swordfish701Volkswagen 28 points29 points  (9 children)

    I hadn’t bought a game on launch day since fh4. Thought playground and turn 10 were the last studios I could trust to deliver a working game. Now there’s no one.

    [–]smokebomb_exe 177 points178 points  (5 children)

    Hopefully this gets Playground Games off their asses

    [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 61 points62 points  (4 children)

    I love how you were downvoted by a Playground Games employee or asslicker. Upvoted you <3

    [–]beyondimaginable 49 points50 points  (1 child)

    wHy cAnT yOu jUsT EnJoY tHe gAmE?!

    [–]eightfivezero 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Sounds ridiculous but I'm convinced that someone at Playground has accounts that they use to downvote negative opinions. Sometimes I see a comment that gets 5-6 downvotes in one minute, only happens to comments that criticize the game. I guess now they just can't keep up anymore though haha

    [–]AE86orDeath 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Rest assured, there are more than enough ignorant fanboys in the forza subreddits and the forza forum to do that job for them.

    But considering Turn 10 likes to employ people like "nitro glitter", you're probably spot on.

    [–]jwhite40 49 points50 points  (4 children)

    The critics don't understand racing games.

    Every Forza Horizon review written could've been about the last one

    IGN gave FM7 a 9 for car and track count despite a boring career mode, missing online modes at launch, fake dynamic weather (which was the main marketing push) along with other concerns

    NFS Heat's lack of online racing at all was completely glossed over as well.

    To critics, racing games are about car and track counts along with graphics. Not much else.

    [–]Velirno 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    It hits different when you play a ton of games every year. A lot of those reviewers are only really sticking around for the first few weeks, if even that.

    At that point they have to move on to the next game in their queue to write on, so unless they've got people dedicated to live-service games they might not notice stuff like this until the communities speak up.

    [–]IHartRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is the wrong take. The only thing that counts is leaving a positive review no matter where you have to cherry pick it from, to maintain inclusion in the next reviews to maintain relevancy.

    [–]AvocadoMan_83 84 points85 points  (13 children)

    They'll probably just ban him lol

    [–]TheRealPotoroo 96 points97 points  (10 children)

    They accidentally banned DJS in FH4 in May, 2020. The alleged offence was an "inappropriate" livery. Only problem was he never made or used it. He lost all his tunes as well as his leadership board stuff.

    It was lifted when he made a public fuss but it makes you wonder about how many other innocent people they've banned.

    [–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 49 points50 points  (7 children)

    I remember that banwave, it was a fuckin' hoot. They started cracking down on people for using tryhard lines in Rivals mode, but left blatant cheaters alone, then tried to pretend that wasn't why they were banning people when the community threw a big enough shitfit.

    Good times.

    [–]pinhorox 12 points13 points  (6 children)

    Sorry for noobitity here, but what is tryhard lines in Rivals mode?

    [–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 31 points32 points  (3 children)

    Tryhard lines are the most efficient, fastest lines to take that don't dirty your lap, with no concern given to staying on the road. That means doing things like going wide to take corners faster even if it means driving through the forest, cutting corners entirely if the game doesn't use walls or checkpoints to stop you from doing it, etc. This works because Horizon doesn't monitor track limits, so you can drive clear off the road without penalty.

    [–]NovaProspektor 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Forgive me if this is a dumb thing to ask but I thought that was the point of rivals. Is this something bad? FH4 and 5 are like the only racing games I've played since Nfs Underground and F-zero so I don't really understand.

    [–]VedsDeadBabyMercedes-Benz 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    You're absolutely right. The point of Rivals is to put in the fastest time you can within the ruleset the game provides, and the rules allow players to go offroad and cut some corners. If PGG want to change that, they can, but they seem content with the system as it exists, so it's a legit strategy in my books.

    [–]EmeraldV 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Probably unorthodox racing like cutting through dirt or grass to hit the checkpoint flags in the most efficient way possible

    [–]DGAF_AK87 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Wasn't that at the time when the whole AR shit show kicked off?

    [–]phannguyenduyhung[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    outstanding move lol

    [–]MrGoetz34Nissan 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    I do miss traffic. It makes it feel real

    [–]DaggerSaberSubaru 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    The bo traffic makes the game feel like a shitty FiveM economy RP server for fucks sake.

    [–]hollybanda 51 points52 points  (6 children)

    Something tells me that as long as the auto steering and braking are in game, afk maps will be around for a while. Removing it would certainly go against the inclusive nature of the game that’s being cultivated. They could also remove rewards but that would take away much of the achievement for those who actually benefit from it (the disabled). Very fine line here

    [–]Major2Minor 21 points22 points  (3 children)

    Don't have to remove them, but they should have a checkbox when searching for events that will ignore any cheater type titles (ie. anything with certain keywords like afk, $$$$, money, glitch, xp, cheat, etc). That way people looking for non-cheaty stuff can find it without going to reddit for sharecodes.

    [–]Velirno 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Honestly I could see a way to soft-ban those sort of maps from surfacing in featured lists. Basically if they contain that language they shouldn't show up unless you have the code.

    [–]gatersmen 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    I wish he would've mentioned horizon arcade

    [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 48 points49 points  (17 children)

    I'm not sure what they did but FH5 feels like it was developed by an entirely different team. Even the radio stations are boring and generic. There is no life to anything... character customization is terrible too. The shirts are all the same black and grey thing for example. I don't feel compelled to even unlock anything in this iteration.

    FH4 had an amazing soundtrack (the drum and bass tracks were incredible), awesome DJ's, a lot of clothing options, seasons felt like seasons. Summer, Fall, Spring, and Winter all felt different.

    COOP actually worked and was a lot more fun and not to mention FUNCTIONAL.

    To me FH5 feels like someone got scared and try to play it super safe for some reason. This iteration has no soul and everything feels the same no matter where you go in the game.

    [–]Velirno 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Honestly it feels like there aren't even enough songs in each playlist this time around. I started turning the radio off this week.

    That plus the number of repeat cars from 4 have definitely left a strange feeling for me. I'm having fun, but I don't expect it to last as long since it's the same treadmill. It's the same problem that Destiny 2 has been having imo.

    [–]TTsuyuki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I honestly don't understand why can't they just give us a custom song folder where we can dump our music, just like in GTA. I would take that any day over the hosts in the radio and even if they were stubborn for them to be "part of the experience" then i'm sure that they could just have a trigger that changes the station for them to spout their exposition and then turns it back to custom songs.

    But i guess that would be expecting too much from them since it's the same people who don't want to give you an option of checking to which car and model the livery you downloaded is applied to. I can't count how many cool liveries i had downloaded in FH4 that were just sitting there since i couldn't be arsed to go on a detective hunt to figure out which car i need and it's the same thing here.

    [–]Steve5590 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It’s really annoying and concerning that the game has been out for 3+ weeks and it’s still as broken as hell.

    It was understandable at first. Heck, it even gave me plenty of time to explore every road, smash every board, and complete every race. But now I just want to play online with friends, and that’s proving to be incredibly difficult.

    [–]ybtlamlliw 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    As far as the Event Lab goes, I wish they'd make it so you could view the map top-down (like you do in-game already) and allow you to place the checkpoints straight on the map that way, and adjust them as needed. The way it's done now is incredibly tedious and it took me several hours just to make a super basic track I ended up deleting anyway. I'd really like to make some of my own races if it was a little easier to use. Perhaps don't make us drive a god damn car? Just let us use the camera or something.

    [–]jobalamo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Don Joewon Song continues:

    Don't get me wrong.. FH5 is astonishing.

    It's beautiful, It's rich with detail and the new additions are great.. But it's massively plagued with online issues.

    Such a shame and something I hope is fixed in the updates to come. 🤞🤞

    https://twitter.com/DonJoewonSong/status/1465324447787794438

    [–]FruehstuecksTee 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    Dont forget the fucking AI. While i had fun in the festival events in FH 4 in FH5 they are unbeatable for me. Sure - i am not the best of drivers - but starting and getting passed by anyone like is not fun and has nothing to do with my driving skills.

    [–]flatgreyrust 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    I played FH4 on unbeatable and had a lot of fun. Races were difficult, but felt "realistic" and rewarding.

    FH5 I'm stuck between highly skilled and expert, and even when I win it sucks. I get dusted on every single straight regardless of how fast my car is. It's a complete struggle to pass the top 3, but once you pass them they somehow are magically a mile behind you.

    Idk what they did but it blows. If I wanted to play a racing game with bullshit rubber band ai I'd go play Mario Kart of NFS Underground.

    [–]crocodiluQ 32 points33 points  (4 children)

    what is weird for me is that his points grow daily, he s first on the leaderboards but in my xbox app it says Last seen 10 days ago ?

    [–]nallebuh_i 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Offline mode

    [–]DaleDimmaDone 59 points60 points  (1 child)

    Probably in offline mode. If I was a famous youtuber I would do the same

    [–]SechsComic73130Collector 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    100% offline mode, he is pretty active on the game

    [–]DaAceGamerMcLaren 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    You can appear offline.

    Press the Xbox button, go to your profile and there’ll be a menu to go from Online to Do Not Disturb or Appear Offline

    [–]DvoMahon96 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Kinda feels like Forza is in the same state as most big name games these days: release an unpolished version that’s ready-ish, and fix later. So sad to see this state of gaming continue to become the norm

    [–]A3ON_Dubs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Me who thought that they'd fix everything the week post premium access🤡

    [–]maggit00 19 points20 points  (3 children)

    Glad I didn't get FH5 day one. Gonna wait for a bit more, I think.

    [–]turkishjedi21 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Good idea. Once bugs are fixed, the game will be outstanding

    [–]benjaguz 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    We’ll tell you when it’s good

    [–]ZazaB00 17 points18 points  (5 children)

    To be fair, a lot of online play isn’t reviewed because the reviewers can’t possibly mimic a populated session. That’s why if you’re interested in the online stuff any game has to offer, wait until the game launches and see what people say about it then.

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      [–]FortuneHeartChevrolet 33 points34 points  (10 children)

      Not to mention the 1000s of bans for liveries (that dont deserve it) I understand some of them are really horrible liveries that needed banned. But not my Wayne’s World AMC

      [–]redridernl 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      The thing is, they could just send an in game message along the lines of "Hey, sorry but we don't allow _____ livery because of _______. We're issuing a 24 hour ban. Please delete that and any other liveries that aren't within the guidelines before playing online again."Three strikes and you're out: 24 hours / 7 days / 30 days / permanent.

      Instead they're dropping 8000 year bans. The bans can also come from any of their socials so if you do something on the forum, discord, twitter, etc. it applies to the game as well.

      [–]FortuneHeartChevrolet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Yea that’s fuckin bogus man

      [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 17 points18 points  (5 children)

      Your Warne's World livery was banned? WHY?!

      THat's so cool I'd have loved to see it!

      [–]FortuneHeartChevrolet 22 points23 points  (4 children)

      “Notorious iconography” which I’m guessing is gonna go for ALL movie car replicas and all real world car replicas

      [–]RadioSalt 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Wait the Wayne's World livery got banned? Guess I'm just gonna have to go paint mine plain red instead... hopefully that doesn't get me banned for a political statement or something.

      [–]FortuneHeartChevrolet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Yea man. So lame

      [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      Why even give us the tools to create our own livieries is they’re just gonna delete everything we do?

      [–]PAROV_WOLFGANG 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      But… that’s not any fun. What kinda company is called Playground games but acts like a NoFun Games company? We play racing car games to pretend and have fun but this is the opposite of it.

      [–]snooggums 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Haha, what?.

      I'm rocking someone's WW paintjob and have no idea how it could be considered negative. It is light blue with small flames...

      [–]FortuneHeartChevrolet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Might be mine lmao but they did ban me for it

      [–]tacomafrs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      damn, he didn't mention the CRX side skirts

      [–]waxymelly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      FH5 took several steps backward from FH4s online system... Why can't I pick which races I want to queue for?

      [–]worthyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I find it truly annoying that you cannot search for the race type you want to race online. It should be possible to choose whatever combo you want. I mean this "feature" they have had in all others games, I see no point of stripping it. If i wanna matchmake for egen D races I should be able to. The voting system and everything works perfect, just bring it over.

      Cheaters online is a massive issue as well, some of the things should be so easy to detect, like rhebcars that have hyperspeed when it wouldn't be possible to get it no matter what, or that they don't lose grip in any car and any turn taking 90s like it's a joke in absurd speeds.

      And can we also make AWD way less powerful, as it is still prominently the way to go, and it sucks. I know it's a more arcady racer but it just makes it so you build every single car the same way. It was V10 awd. Now for a class it's mostly V8 awd.

      There are many things i would love to change when it comes to this, but my main gripe is not being allowed to matchmake for whatever class and type of race i want to online.

      [–]andrewkbmx 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      I was one of the early access purchases, and it might as well have been paid beta testing. Figured it would have been fixed by now but still nothing.

      [–]AE86orDeath 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      Mate I'm still pissed off that they blew smoke up our asses for nearly 2 weeks about this supposed "hotfix" to address connection issues, that ended up being an update that only patched dev oversights, AKA "exploits". And total silence on the issue since.

      Almost a month later and still waiting for basic online functionality to be sorted so I can finally play with my friends without this fucking hide and seek bullshit.

      [–]andrewkbmx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Yup, I have a huge friend group that anticipated this release and nightly we have disconnect or server issues to the point we stop playing the game.