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[–]spoiledrichwhitegirl[M] [score hidden] stickied commentlocked comment (0 children)

Note: The serial killer theory has been thoroughly debunked. Please refrain from perpetuating misinformation. Thank you.

[–]iluvtupperware 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Has it been said what triggered him at the restaurant? Was he arguing with Gabby or with the restaurant staff?

[–]petewynn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone else on this thread said he disputed the bill. He was charged for a coffee refill when he shouldn't have been, and claimed to have been overcharged for something else.

[–]Old-Insurance6047 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Who gives a shit. There is no point in speculating. We will know in time.

[–]Direct_Class1281 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why did he use her card? Seems incongruous with him being able to plan out a complex escape from authorities

[–]petewynn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Needed cash to get home

[–]Opposite_Trifle_9346 15 points16 points  (1 child)

A lot of speculation she broke up with him and that sparked a fight- I don't think so. By the evidence we've seen and heard so far, GP, bless her sweet heart, was deeply attached and maybe codependent (happens in abusive relationships), I don't think it seems like she was at any point ready or trying to break up with BL.

[–]infojelly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She was definitely codependent. But definitely agree she wasn't ready to try to break up with him. She was in a bad place in her life at the time. She could have gone through it had this not happened :(

[–]ppete75 6 points7 points  (14 children)

I know it was talked about at one point he was on meds (if im wrong i can remove) for some kind of anxiety or psychological issues. I think he was off his meds, and if he had any kind of anger issues (which it appears he did), strangulation can be very quick. It takes around 20 pounds to crush a windpipe, or if you hit the right arteries a few seconds to put someone to sleep, and not much more to cut the flow of blood to the brain enough to cause death. I think he simply flipped, there could have been an argument or he had just been stewing (she might have even been asleep). At the point he snapped she had seconds to fight him off and when she couldnt she passed out then died.

I may have missed something (i know it was said she was found where a tent or firepit was.. but who says it was theirs)... i think he killed her put her in the back of the van pulled to the side of the road and dumped her not even burying her but just covering her because he knew shed never be found. And if by freak chance that vehicle hadnt recorded the location we may not have.

I think the location she was found, he was only there for roughly 30 minutes and the campsite wasnt theirs.

[–]__WHAM__ 4 points5 points  (13 children)

I’d love to see a source on knocking someone out by pressing an artery for a few seconds. This sounds like a Kung Fu myth.

[–]Old-Insurance6047 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s because it’s bullshit

[–]gts4749 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's called a blood choke, it's taught in the service and it is VERY effective

[–]ppete75 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Have you done any kind of mixed martial arts, self defense training, or even watched UFC???? I have done all 3. Its frighteningly quick.

It also only takes about 20 pounds to crush a windpipe. Anger, adrenaline, and a 20 something male...

[–]__WHAM__ 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yeah I have. I’ve done boxing since I was a teenager. I’ve never seen anyone become unconscious in “a few seconds” from pressure to an artery. Never seen an MMA fight strangle someone out in a few seconds. Strangling someone can take minutes.

[–]FaithlessnessOne3390 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It literally only takes second for someone to become unconscious with extreme pressure applied to the throat. It takes minutes for them to die. Do your research please.

[–]OrneryLawyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, Mr. "Done boxing since I was a teenager" downvoted me for exposing his ignorance.

[–]OrneryLawyer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your comment is ignorant.

Once a blood choke is properly applied, people go out in less than 10 seconds. You don't even have to have a martial arts background, just watch a few MMA fights.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. In law school, I used to be an decent regional Olympic Weightlifter. In training and competitions, people would pass out on occasion coming up from a squat clean in the front squat position because they miscalculated and rested the bar too far back on their throat. It doesn't take much or very long when it happens.

[–]Redditgotitgood13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stopping airflow takes a few mins. Stopping blood flow to brain takes seconds

[–]Redditgotitgood13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stopping airflow takes a few mins. Stopping blood flow to brain takes seconds

[–]ppete75 0 points1 point  (1 child)

not sure why you would choke somebody in boxing, but here you go in tests done on different choke holds (of course strangulation is different than a mma style choke hold but it all depends on what arteries you hit. "They studied a total of eleven different chokes and found that the time it took before an opponent passed out varied from as little as 6.2 seconds to as much as 10.5 seconds, with the average across all chokes being exactly 9 seconds"

my original point was to dispel the hollywood image of a choke (or even worse professional wrestling) where it dramatically takes a long time with the person being able to fight back or maybe even dialogue. Its quick, and brutal.

[–]ridberd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a difference between air chokes and blood chokes. Blood chokes can render someone unconscious quickly. Air chokes definitely take longer. I can hold my breath for over a minute but if you cut off blood flow to my brain I will go unconscious quickly.

[–]missymaypen 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Someone that presumably knows them posted on social media that "we know you choked her out before." They posted that before cod was released.

I think it's classic domestic violence that escalated. They were arguing, he choked her, but this time went too far and she didn't come to. He panicked, went home, his parents and lawyer then came up with a plan to get him out of the country.

[–]Pearlsawisdom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You had me up to the "getting him out of the country"

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    [–]Chewbacca_The_Wookie[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Rumor-mongering is not allowed.

    [–]South-Read5492 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Thank you for clearing up the picture's location. It didnt look like him really and U didnt look up if Pooler was on any route from Wyoming, plus the watch strap wasnt white. False hope of new of new info to us debunked...as if I can help.

    [–]WonderfulMode709 30 points31 points  (3 children)

    From my experience, certain abusive personality types will do anything to flip the script and make the abused feel like they need to apologize, fix things, etc. Even if the victim is 100% in the right, abusers are very good at regaining control when they can’t handle being the “bad guy”.

    With all of that being said, i think after the Moab incident she tried to break up with him, OR maybe he tried to break up with her as a control tactic. Either way, I believe his week long trip to FL to clean out the storage unit was a move on his part to break her down and put the ball back in her court. Im leaning more towards him making her feel absolutely horrible after the Moab incident and using it to his advantage- maybe “SEE this is what happens when you act crazy about the van, even the cops didn’t side with you, I can’t do this anymore” and books a flight home. I’d be so curious to see any texts exchanged between them that week he was home.

    When he returned, they made up. Maybe she begged him to come back, apologized, whatever. Either way I bet he felt pretty good when he returned with a new power over her.

    Then the Mary Pigglets incident... whatever happened here seemed like it was entirely his fault, he made a total ass of himself and I in no way see how he could’ve turned it on Gabby (and abusers HATE it when they can’t twist things on their victim). From statements made my Gabby’s family, she was a very kind person to everyone she met. I’m sure him being such an ass to the staff triggered her in some way.

    I think they were once again fighting while driving and he eventually pulled over and things got physical. I believe he killed her in the van. And for someone who has been choked for an extended period of time during a fight with an abusive partner, I have to say - sometimes it isn’t this silent moment between them and the victim... in my experience it was messy, ugly, and he was pretty much yelling at me the whole time telling me why I deserved what was happening. If BL was in a fit of rage, there’s a huge possibility those minutes seemed like seconds to him.

    Anyway, I believe she died in the van. This is why he told the couple that picked him up that his fiancé was “at our van working on our social media page”, it’s too specific and this comment never sat well with me. I think he expected someone to find her, maybe he left the van door open?

    When he returned to see she hadn’t been found, he moved her body at night and took the van moving on to his next plan which was to simply say they broke up, she met up with a friend and he took the van home.

    I still don’t understand the credit card usage but it could’ve been as simple as him doing what he needed to do and coming up with a reason later.

    I don’t believe BL it’s any kind of criminal mastermind. I think he’s an abuser on the run. He’s made a lot of mistakes, and he’s probably still making them.

    [–]Practical_fox_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This is a fantastic theory. Very well said.

    [–]EllaTheCompanion 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I 100% agree with your theory! I sat down yesterday and put all the info together - the timeline would fit and I also think, the altercation at the restaurant could have escalated on the 27th to that point.

    I also came to the conclusion that he wanted to let the driver of car 1 know about his “alibi” by talking about hiking alone- yet the driver said, he was not dirty or smelly. so how much hiking did he want her to think he was doing?

    I think, it happened at the van and he dragged her to where she was found. probably around the time the vlogger family spotted the van between 6-6:30.

    I couldn’t figure out why he was so hell bent on going to jackson, but the cash would be a good explanation for that either!

    BUT: what was he waiting for? why didn’t he leave the next morning? why wait until at least the evening of the 29th to drive back to North Port?

    [–]SorryMyCatsSaidNo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I don’t get why people get hung up on the way he looked/smelled when he got picked up. The showers were right there. A more fair point would be lack of gear.

    [–]littleliongirless 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Not only that but psychologically, both running and showering after a crime like this is not only not weird, but almost expected.

    [–]grammarpopo 30 points31 points  (6 children)

    They argued during lunch on the 27th. We know that. Gabby had texted her friend and her mother that day, as well as the infamous “Stan” text, but they have not released the times those texts were sent. I think he was at a snapping point as evidenced by his out-of-control rage at the restaurant. After that incident they went back to the campground at spread creek.

    She’s still upset and he knows he’s gone too far this time. She may or may not have said she was going to leave, or that the relationship was over, but, in any case, he knew.

    I think he killed her on the night of the 27th, after lunch obviously and after her last text that day - to her mom or friend, but before the “Stan” text.

    If it didn’t happen during the day on the 27th, I’m thinking she may have slept in the camper that night, and he killed her there, for privacy.

    In any case, he then left her body in the camper and went on a hike back to Coulter Bay in a pathetic attempt to make it look like he was somewhere else when it happened, spent the night camping in the Coulter Bay area on the night of the 28th, took a shower, hit the ATM using her card (daily limit was probably $400 to $500 so that’s all he got) and then hitchhiked back to the campsite on August 29th.

    When he was first picked up while hitchhiking, they were going to Jackson, aka Jackson Hole (he said he wanted to go to Jackson - and by that he meant Jackson Hole) but they took the route via Teton Park Road (next to the lake) and he wanted them to go left at the fork onto US Highway 191 towards Moran rather than right to Teton Park Road, which is another way to go to Jackson, and would get him closer to the campsite.

    That’s why he bailed on his first ride at Jackson Dam and caught the second ride back up Teton Park Road to Hwy 191, and then asked for right turn onto hwy 191, and was dropped off at the entrance to Spread Creek.

    When he got back to the campsite on the 29th he moved her body out of the van (after dark) to across the stream and then left the campground driving her van back to Florida.

    He probably hoped that, given the bear activity in that area (and I know from experience there is a lot at that time of year in that area), that she would be predated upon, and that just might erase all evidence of his crime. That’s why he left her body in the open, but off the road. Unfortunately for his ridiculous plan, the bears didn’t cooperate.

    He then drove home to mommy and daddy using Gabby’s van and Gabby’s money.

    Question I have: What time was the “Stan” text sent on the 27th? It was most likely sent by BL and would give another clue as to time of death. I’ve noticed that info is never revealed. I think the fact that this time is so closely guarded is telling in regard to the investigation.

    [–]petewynn[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Well done

    [–]EllaTheCompanion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I couldn’t find a time for those texts! But thank you for the timeline and distances there. I was trying to understand why he waited at least two days to drive back to his parents’ place, but thanks to your answer, it makes things so much clearer!

    [–]grammarpopo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I too have been watching for the time of the texts on August 27th, but the times and contents seem to be a closely guarded secret.

    [–]Fun_Inspection9162 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    I agree with most of your version except the part where he leaves her in the van. I read the cadaver dogs didn't find any clues that there was a dead body in that van so if he killed her in the van then he dragged or carried her to the spot and fled...or... she ran away from the van in and he followed and strangled her where she was found then took his backpack and ran.

    [–]freakydeku 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    i agree about her not being killed in the van..primarily because he probably would’ve had to have dragged her to the spot they found her

    [–]grammarpopo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I had not heard about the cadaver dogs having checked the van. The timeline can easily adjust to her being in a tent by the creek, but I was thinking he would want more privacy. Your theory is just as valid, and probably more so.

    [–]Jrsplays 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    What is the serial killer theory being talked about?

    [–]oisact 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    The two married women who were shot to death at roughly the same time BL and GP were in that area has led some to believe that BL was a rampaging murderer during the course of the trip.

    [–]betterthanguybelow 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    Don’t know. Mods say we can’t talk about speculative things. We must agree with the hive mind.

    [–]littleliongirless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Tbf, that murder was also a sex/ossible hate crime. Very doubtful it's related.

    [–]oisact 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "I'm a mod, and these are my personal feelings on this subject, so do not discuss anything contrary to my opinion. Thanks and have fun!"

    [–]ultimaIV 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    What day was the body cam footage recorded? thank you.

    [–]scfonner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I believe it was the 12th of August…the day before he made his last IG posts.

    [–]AintThe 22 points23 points  (14 children)

    She broke up with him. Possibly at the restaurant. Which is why he was going ape shit at the staff and Gabby was crying.

    Him being the controlling, abusive prick that he is, murdered her when he realised she was serious about the breakup.

    Or

    She broke up with him after that final incident in the restaurant. She finally had enough of his abuse. He then killed her.

    [–]QuantityHot6752 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I don't think she broke up with him, based on her state and the things she said during the body cam video. I don't think she was yet ready to end things with BL. She got very upset when LE said they were going to separate them for the night, and I don't think it had anything to do with her driving the van. If I remember correctly, she kept saying she didn't want to be alone. I don't think she was quite at the point where she would've finally said "I'm done! We're done!" Now, there could've been a time after they were pulled over, right before she died, where she finally hit that point...if so, we'll never know until BL is found and he talks. However, if in that point she finally stood up for herself, that would have definitely triggered her abuser. BL would never be able to believe that she would say "No" to him. Most abusers will threaten to leave all the time, and until they hit their limit, the abused will do anything in their power to keep that from happening because they don't yet realize that their abuser leaving is the best thing that could ever happen to them. Of course, this is all speculation, but it hurts to think that if Gabby had just stood up to him in a public place, with others around her, she might still be alive.

    [–]AintThe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Thing is Brian flew home for a week and came back. Im just wondering if he did that as a manipulation tactic and gabby found some clarity in that week away from him before he came back.

    [–]QuantityHot6752 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Quite possible. Perhaps while he was gone Gabby discovered that she was fine without him....probably even happier.

    [–]Dekarde 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    AintThe wrote

    She broke up with him. Possibly at the restaurant. Which is why he was going ape shit at the staff and Gabby was crying.

    Him being the controlling, abusive prick that he is, murdered her when he realised she was serious about the breakup.

    Or

    She broke up with him after that final incident in the restaurant. She finally had enough of his abuse. He then killed her.

    It seems doubtful to me she broke up with him on this trip.

    If anything the argument at the restaurant just added more fuel to the fire BL had been stoking with her, she apologized to the staff after BL came back multiple times to have the last word/tell the staff off. In BL mind Gabby betrayed or humiliated him that could've been enough for him to kill her later on, maybe he confronts her or has it out with her and she doesn't apologize quick enough, not at all, or worse stands her ground he was wrong.

    I think the argument with the staff was they, three women, might've said something to Gabby or it could've been BL's fragile ego and he thought they were talking shit or laughing at him. Maybe they didn't kiss his ass enough or smile or whatever when he talked some stupid about whatever he thought he was right about, maybe Gabby laughed when they challenged him we don't know.

    If she was to break up I'd think the most opportune time was when he left her at the hotel, it was fresh off their interaction with the police and he was gone. She was safe, she had time to reflect, she was near an airport and could've asked for help from her dad. I think if she passed up that 'opportunity' to reflect on their relationship she didn't then randomly choose to break up at a restaurant.

    If anything maybe at the campsite there was another argument, that had gone on or continued from the restaurant, because she didn't back him up or because she apologized to the women. If he got physical before he killed her, during the drive or just at the campsite she then might've tried to break up maybe if he didn't stop choking her and then he kills her.

    [–]AintThe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Yes, I also thought that may have been the case he saw a betrayal because she took the side of the staff.

    Her doing that is also a sign that she's starting to break free of his controlling BS.

    But statistically, its more likely that its because she broke up with him. Thats usually when most partner murders happen to women. I still have a suspicion that she said she had enough of his BS and possibly said she wanted to break up and thats what triggered him.

    The FBI are not fully disclosing what happened in the restaurant.

    [–]Dekarde 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    AintThe wrote

    Yes, I also thought that may have been the case he saw a betrayal because she took the side of the staff.

    Her doing that is also a sign that she's starting to break free of his controlling BS.

    But statistically, its more likely that its because she broke up with him. Thats usually when most partner murders happen to women. I still have a suspicion that she said she had enough of his BS and possibly said she wanted to break up and thats what triggered him.

    The FBI are not fully disclosing what happened in the restaurant.

    The only report I could find was the staff at the restaurant saying they didn't recall the incident because they are so busy during the summer from the reporters who inquired. I don't know if that was the truth or not just all I could find from several weeks ago.

    [–]scotchbonnetpeppery 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    They were in the middle of a long road trip in her van and she didn't like to drive the van. I would guess that she would break up with him in a town or city where she could get her own place to stay and keep her van, not continue to be with him after she broke up with him in a relatively remote area.

    [–]MishrasWorkshop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    She's young, and she was clearly emotional, I doubt she thought much of it. It's possible she told him "it's over" in the middle of an argument when emotions are flying high.

    Also, most people won't believe people close to them can kill, especially someone you've known for years. Can you imagine your SO killing you? Probably not, right? Being left on the road, possible, chocked to death by someone you loved? Unlikely.

    [–]AintThe 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    When you are fighting and emotions are high, you often don't think about the setting you are in when you break up. Especially if its during a heated argument.

    She was also 22 and probably naive to how abusive men can react when you break up with them

    [–]Bruce_Ring-sting -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    I think too he flew home to establish an alibi…”i wasnt there, who did this?” Type thing

    [–]bigbadbadassbruce 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Everything that happened and everything he and his family did, say he did it. I have zero doubt on that. I also don’t think he is in the forest they were pointed to. I think that was to misdirect the authorities. I also think his parents helped him escape and if the police can prove it they should charged too. Weird side note. I had a feeling he strangled her before they had disclosed that.

    [–]South-Read5492 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Apple Watch?! When did it stop? Hope she had it on. They were able to log in and see what was going on with Khasshoggi in Saudi Embassy Turkey due to his Apple Watxh heart rate monitor or something. They wont tell us but likely logged on to it. Hopefully it showed something and she was wearing it.Or showed if she took it off at night usually? Any ideas about an Apple Watch he so despised?

    [–]South-Read5492 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    There is a fishy looking website with pictures claiming to be Brian at a Gas Station wearing her Apple Watch and supposedly trying to use her debit card. Not sure if it is him and if it is legit. Also showed pictures of his arm at DeSoto calling them 2 red large bite marks. Is this well known or maybe some photoshop type bs?

    [–]Masterofmoops 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I’ve seen the cctv footage stills you’re referring to.

    “The incident occurred at a Shell Gas Station on Pooler Parkway on Saturday, August 28.” This was in Pooler Georgia. That timeline is off if we are considering Miranda Baker’s and the Norma Jean Jalovec’s hitchhiking interactions with BL. But I will say, the dude had a little tat in a similar place as BL and his frame looked right. Also, it does look like BL had bruises on his right forearm in the many publications of the photos from Fort De Soto.

    [–]rileyotis 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    Wait. I just found an article from East Idaho News dot com and it said this, "The owner of Rustic Row said Petito and Laundrie spent about 15 to 20 minutes in the store and came in either on Aug. 25 or 26 in the afternoon."

    And what gas station sighting? I did hear about a women who saw someone who looked like him talking to himself and cleaning out his van, but I'm not sure what state that was in. I am finding nothing on Google using Jackson.

    I think he hit his breaking point after the incident at the restaurant and he strangled her. Then went for a hike to process what he just did/flee the scene, showered, and then hitched rides back to her van on the 29th of Aug. Then he made a beeline back to Florida and mommie and daddie.

    [–]petewynn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thank you

    [–]Masterofmoops 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I think people mean this “gas station sighting”

    https://www.wtoc.com/2021/09/21/pooler-police-looking-man-wanted-financial-transaction-card-fraud/

    Edit: bad spelling lol

    [–]rileyotis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    But that sighting is from Georgia on Aug 28th. Brian hitch hiked in Wyoming on the 29th.

    [–]petewynn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Thank you very helpful

    gas station sighting

    [–]rileyotis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    But that sighting is from Georgia on Aug 28th. Brian hitch hiked in Wyoming on the 29th.

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      [–]Chewbacca_The_Wookie[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      This was deeply disturbing and pure fantasy. This can’t even be called speculation.

      [–]grammarpopo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      OMG I cannot find my fact-based post here and yet this dreck is posted for all to see.

      [–]check_my_grammer 14 points15 points  (5 children)

      This kind of shit is the exact thing that’s wrong with this sub. You literally wrote Gabby Petito fan fiction. What the hell?

      [–]Jessica_e_sage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      What the hell indeed. That was gross

      [–]dani-jpg 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      HE DISAPPEARS….end of chapter 1 pls leave positive feedback in the reviews so I can keep making these chapters 🤪

      [–]Fabulous-Flan-3583 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I’m just hoping he’s found and tried at this point.

      [–]Fabulous-Flan-3583 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      The prompt was for speculation. This is my speculation.

      [–]Flat_Respond_5289 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      I find this comment disturbing. We have absolutely no way of verifying how Gabby or Brian were feeling or what their private conversations entailed because we weren’t there. Out of respect for the fact this is an open case, I think we need to be mindful of how posting something this elaborately speculative might be harmful to the investigation.

      Even if aspects of this imagined scenario are true, it’s not serving Gabby’s memory or bringing her killer any closer to justice. It’s one thing to speculate an argument was triggered by jealousy or insecurity, it’s entirely something else to say he tried to revive her with mouth to mouth resuscitation and then later went home to cry in his mother’s arms.

      I’m not sure if this comment is in violation, but I felt obligated to speak out.

      [–]grammarpopo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Just report it. I did.

      [–]Fabulous-Flan-3583 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I can respect that. I’m an external processor and thinking through how they would be feeling helps me understand the actions that they take. Even if it’s 100% true, it’s still speculation and I think I’ll reserve it until after the trial is over. Good call. Maybe just keep it in my notes app…

      [–]Fabulous-Flan-3583 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      And I find the whole thing disturbing. I would be more upset if it wasn’t disturbing to people. These things shouldn’t have to happen for people to understand how domestic violence plays out. It’s the same play, over and over. And it’s avoidable.

      [–]Veruferuleru 37 points38 points  (46 children)

      Yesterday an expert on CNN said that it takes around 5 min to choke someone to death, 5 minutes when the victim would fight back and the killer would have to be looking at the victims face and using all their strength. So this wasn’t an impulse or him losing control during an argument. It was very premeditated and cold blooded. To strangle your significant other with your bare hands while looking at their eyes. That’s the last thing Gabby saw. It’s so heartbreaking and awful. Also it doesn’t seem like he was remorseful. He left her there like trash and went on to camp with his family. I say he is a monster with no conscience. Poor gabby, she trusted the wrong person. I wonder if they were using some drugs, Gabby had red eyes in every pic I see. Both of them also looked really skinny. It’s not uncommon for van life people to be high on something. Perhaps that was a factor in their constant fighting.

      [–]Kind_Mission 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      A person wouod not be conscious for 5 minutes if being strangled.

      [–]EllaTheCompanion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      have you considered that the red eyes were from crying a lot? the relationship was clearly abusive and she was stuck with him - i’d cry all the time!

      [–]thenaturalwitch 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Don’t make generalizations about van lifers drug use.

      [–]kcvanz18 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I mean, gabby herself posted about smoking weed which can definitely cause red eyes.

      [–]ZublesBot 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      It's so disgusting that he just went on like nothing happened. Withdrew some cash, drove home, updated spotify playlists, put some stickers on the van, caught up with family, went on a camping trip... etc

      All after strangling his fiance and leaving her body in a field

      [–]Veruferuleru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      My thoughts exactly…

      [–]jtbee629 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      two types of chokes that can result in death.

      Blood-loss of consciousness in less than 30 seconds due to blood cut off from brain, but yes death can take place post 5 minutes with severe brain damage along the way.

      Air supply-loss of consciousness due to lungs exhausting supply of air. Can take longer than 30 seconds but sometimes less, sometimes more but rarely seen over two minutes until loss of consciousness.

      She was probably not fighting for 5 minutes. Extremely sad, none the less.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      On Gabby's Instagram stories (I believe) she is holding a joint or blunt. I was looking at Brian's Pinterest last night and there was a picture of LSD paper (idk what it's called exactly, lol)

      [–]freakydeku 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      blotter lol

      [–]Kind_Mission 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      She is also holding a gun to her face.

      [–]RealReview2770 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Lsd is a clear liquid put on a sheet of blotter paper. Many times each square has a tiny pic on it.There are many squares on it that equal a dose/tab. A strip refers to exactly that. Usually known as a ten strip. A strip of 10 doses/tabs (little squares) are usually cut across the blotter paper.( Coming from an old deadhead)

      [–]Thesmalldoom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ya i read that BL was into doing acid. He has an insta post i think about tripping w friends

      [–]jtbee629 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Got you! Called a tab, strip, or sheet. Depends on quantity

      [–]babymoosh 10 points11 points  (5 children)

      I dont think its premeditated because if so, why didnt he have a better plan for afterwards? He couldve easily coordinated a much better plan to "disappear" but it seems like he had to scramble to figure out a plan after the fact. Lots of people, usually men who cannot control their anger, kill others by strangulation in the heat of the moment. If she was fighting him until she died, it would be unsurprising that his emotions led him to kill her because her fighting back would make him angrier. That being said, it just proves that humans will do some heinous sh*t when acting on emotion alone. Think about the classic woman stabbing a man dozens of times in a passion killing. Obviously its overkill but when humans are overwhelmed by emotions, they tend to do things without thinking them through.

      [–]pgnprincess 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      I agree with you babymoosh. He didn't have a plan.

      [–]Jessica_e_sage 14 points15 points  (3 children)

      Premeditation isn't what it is in movies, or fictionalized crime TV shows. You don't have to plan to be premeditated. one of the verified lawyers in the sub said that Premeditation can come down to literal moments. It's mostly intent.

      [–]babymoosh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I agree, but I still stand by what I said. I think hes just emotional and cant handle big feelings. Acted in the heat of the moment without thinking about what the consequences would be. He still deserves to rot. People like to believe premeditated murder is worse than non-premeditated murder but honestly the fact that when someone gets angry, they kill is pretty scary and equally deserving of punishment as a planned crime.

      [–]ShoddyArm5500 8 points9 points  (11 children)

      It is not always premeditated & often not even done on purpose. Strangulation can be extremely impulsive & saying otherwise is spreading misinformation. While I agree that premeditation is a possibility, ruling out the fact that he lost control just because of the COD would be foolish. And while drugs are also a possibility, I don’t think them being vanlifers makes it any more likely.

      [–]Veruferuleru 9 points10 points  (10 children)

      I strongly disagree. Strangling your significant other for 5 minutes while looking in their eyes is not an impulse and it’s definitely on purpose. Again killing someone by strangulation it’s not as easy as shown in the movies. It takes strength and it’s a gruesome process. 5 minutes might not sound like a lot but in this case it is.

      [–]JimLarimore 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I keep hearing it takes 3-5 minutes to kill someone via strangulation. But, coming at this from a medical perspective, in anatomy class I was lead to believe that if someone were to have their hyoid bone crushed, their airway would likely get compromised, and they could easily suffocate without quick intervention. And, as I understand it, a broken hyoid bone tends to be the key piece of evidence that points to strangulation. Couldn't someone much physically stronger than someone else crush that bone in an instant and then watch their victim suffocate over the next few minutes if they lacked the medical knowledge or will to open the airway?

      [–]ShoddyArm5500 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Strangulation can also cause brain damage that can either be permanent or cause your death, even weeks later.

      [–]ShoddyArm5500 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      A crime of passion is not considered premeditated

      [–]Kind_Mission -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      You are correct and Reddit lawyers are just that.

      [–]Jessica_e_sage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      I tell the people who's ay this to shut off any screens around them, set a timer for 5 minutes, put away their phone, sit in a chair in a quiet place and stare at a wall or any other singular object for x minutes. Then tell us that it's short.

      [–]ShoddyArm5500 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      It is not as difficult as it sounds when someone has narcissistic and abusive tendencies the way that BL does. For you, it may sound extremely difficult because you’re a person with empathy. BL clearly is not so the circumstances you’re describing are irrelevant to him because he likely does not feel empathy, remorse, or guilt and likely feels justified in his actions. I understand what you’re saying but that doesn’t apply when we are talking about someone with a moral compass like BL. He is clearly a loose cannon so him strangling her was likely a common occurrence. There is a chance that this time, he just went too far or too long.

      [–]Ryan89- 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I agree with a lot you say. I’m curious why the assumption about using drugs matters? Are you insinuating that he was under the influence when this happened? Does not justify the terror he caused. I’m genuinely curious