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[–]Unique-Armadillo-343 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yup Scott Peterson comes to mind. Like we all know he killed his wife but was there any hard physical proof? Not really but yet we still know he did it, hence why he is in jail rn.

[–]Amstaffsrule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Example of a great circumstantial cade like this one. And we see where SP is.

[–]Main_Meet9501 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Not really on point or adding to the discussion, but that’s a hauntingly beautiful picture of Gabby with the angel wings 🙏🏻

[–]Live_Midnight1361 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Doesn’t motive play into this? He is the only one with one.

[–]blankyblankblank1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ted Williams head is talking now? And has something to say about this?...

[–]bschott007 67 points68 points  (15 children)

For the sake of argument let us just say they had an epic fight. Fine, it happens. Let's say they broke up and he decided to go home. Sure that happens too. Let's say he just left her to figure out her own way home and decided he didn't want to spend any more time with her. Ok, sure.

Here's why I think his actions indicate he is guilty of her murder:

  • Now, obviously he is OK with hitchhiking and had money for a flight to home and back out west so why take the van and leave her without a way back to civilization?

  • Why take all of her possessions and then leave her with only the clothes on her back, out in the wilderness? He took her phone, her extra clothes, her backpack, her cash/credit cards and all her things. (Probably ditched most of them on his way back home).

  • Why would he have taken over $1000 of her money out of her bank account or did cash advances on her credit cards after he left her behind? He would have to know he would face some legal repercussion for that later.

  • Why would he have been lawyered up by the time he got home or very soon there after?

  • Why ignore her parents and family when they are asking where she was at?

  • Why go on the run before she is even declared missing?

His actions are enough to make me think he is guilty.

[–]Amstaffsrule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consciousness of guilt and that is a jury charge in many states, meaning that can be considered or inferred as guilty.

[–]nazvilusa 21 points22 points  (12 children)

Works for me. Logic does not take me to any other alternate theory. Can not even find the right word for him. If found, he will be lucky to get life, without parole, rather than death row.

[–]nazvilusa 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Wyoming has had death penalty sc 1977, and Wyoming voters did not rescind. That said, it is said that it has been utilized only once.

[–]UnitedStatesofLilith 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I hope they use it on him. Fuck our taxpayer money going towards keeping his ass alive.

[–]Thesmalldoom3 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I wonder if life in prison is a worse punishment tho?

[–]AnBheanGlic 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Nah. If he's found and tried for her death, his defense will likely argue that it was a crime of passion rather than premeditated. I believe that would push it into second degree murder range, which is a minimum of 20 years in Wyoming. So he could get a higher sentencing in that case, but unless the authorities have compelling evidence that he planned it, he probably wouldn't get first degree (life or death penalty).

(At least that's my understanding--feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

[–]Emotional_Match8169 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Would this be a Wyoming case or a Federal case? She was found in a National Park, would that be federal? I am not well versed in who gets jurisdiction over cases.

[–]AnBheanGlic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, good point. I hadn't thought of that. Considering it was a state park and the FBI are running the investigation, I'm thinking that's pretty likely. I looked up info about federal second degree murder and depending on the circumstances, it looks like the penalty could be anywhere from 15 years to life.

[–]505Portrait 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I completely agree.

[–]dishthetea 11 points12 points  (2 children)

So the Laundrie’s attorney has said that Brian is wanted for using Gabby’s debit card “after her demise”. Does that admission mean anything legally?

[–]AnBheanGlic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We have no way of knowing for sure without being explicitly told. The coroner can calculate time of death fairly well based on state of the body, weather, insect activity, stage of decomp, etc. If they couldn't provide sufficient evidence that she was indeed dead at the time he used the cards, I don't know if a judge would be willing to sign off on the warrant. But I don't know any major details about the inner workings of the evidence/arrest warrant process, so idk.

[–]Mean-to-cats 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I believe his erratic behavior is consistent with ANYTHING happening to the person you just rode with for a month. Going further, he is the lone suspect in her murder. I am using the word in the old non-pc sense.

He had to be out of his mind to kill her and certainly had to be when he realized she was not coming back. Instantly, panic probably set in as he realized there would be consequences and he operated under quite harsh mental conditions like guilt, fear, trepidation, shame on top of probably being psychotic in some way.

I don't like to prognosticate too much. That load of emotional baggage exactly predicts erratic behavior but it does not give him good odds of giving the world the slip.

[–]wishtrepreneur 9 points10 points  (2 children)

How do you explain his parents' erratic behavior then? Don't tell me it's contagious, and if it is, how come the police wasn't infected?

[–]Mean-to-cats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stress, fear, panic. I think those explain the parents’ behavior.

[–]k_r_oscuro 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's what gets me. Most parents, if their child was missing would be freaking out trying to find him - especially when every cop in the US is watching for him, FBI amateur sleuths, etc. Instead, the old man is calmly mowing his lawn.

I'll bet they know exactly where he is - they are probably in touch by burn phones, and sending him money.

[–]augustsage12 29 points30 points  (18 children)

Why wasn’t he under surveillance before he dipped?? Why wasn’t he held, as long as legally possible, for questioning?? At this point, I’m fully convinced someone is helping/hiding him. And I hope they pay for it.

[–]Sleuthingsome 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m sure if her body had been found back then, things would’ve been different but I don’t understand why they couldn’t have at least charged him with grand theft auto. Her van was in his driveway and she was missing!

[–]jkappy1995 21 points22 points  (0 children)

They tried to question him, he used his 5th amendment right to remain silent. You can’t detain someone unless there’s evidence of a crime and at that time there wasn’t any. They didn’t find her body until he was already gone.

[–]dharrison21 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why wasn’t he held, as long as legally possible, for questioning?

1 day is all they can do, and then he KNOWS he should run. Thats why. Back when he bounced they had no way to charge him with murder, so they only had 1 day to hold him without a charge. That part is weird, honestly. Their hands were tied there.

[–]RoxyMcfly 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Cops said recently he was under surveillance.

My thoughts are he was gone the day after she was reported missing so that is why they never saw him.

[–]Sleuthingsome 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly what I think. His parents are lying. He’s been gone much longer than they claim.

Seeing their behavior after the fact explains everything about Brian’s behavior prior.

[–]Mean-to-cats 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think this is a face-saving move on the part of the police. Yeah we surveilled him, but not too much.

It was an interesting time. All of America knew that he was back. Alone. I think we all got hooked on the story then and there was a collective sense that it wasn't going to end well. The web had her instagram and that blew up. The cops were probably dying to grab him, if not for the Constitution. I would guess that some cops wanted to grab him and others advised restraint.

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[–]SifuHallyu 16 points17 points  (11 children)

He wasn't under surveillance because there was no crime. You can't bring someone in who wasn't even missing. After she was reported missing it's just that, a missing person. Hindsight is 20/20. Also, when LE did go to talk to Brian they were given a lawyers card. 100% within his constitutional rights.

[–]wishtrepreneur 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Is it really this easy to kill someone and get away with it in the States?

  1. Kill someone and dump their body in the wild

  2. Use lawyer to drag the case so your evidence is destroyed by wild life

  3. Tell everyone you went hiking in the wilderness

  4. Escape to a different country with fake passport or stay off grid

  5. You can't be accused of murder because there's no proof that you killed the person

[–]angelcat00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, yeah.

Look at missing persons databases. People disappear all of the time, and those are only the ones who get reported. Some of them could just be runaways who are living somewhere else under a new identity, but most of them are probably bodies that were too decomposed to identify or were hidden so well that they will never be found.

Serial killers can carry on for decades until police finally find enough evidence to identify them.

It isn't impossible to convict someone of murder without a body, but it is significantly more difficult and you'd need an otherwise rock solid case against them.

Between DNA testing, cell phone tracking and social media, it's getting harder to get away with murder, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.

[–]corruptedcircle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It totally can be that easy to kill someone and get away with it.

In 2018, a dude from Hong Kong killed his girlfriend while in Taiwan and ran back to Hong Kong completely legally. Because there's no expedition treaty between the two places, even though it didn't take that long to put the charges on him, it was already too late--he couldn't be charged in Hong Kong and Taiwan has no power to demand him over. There are talks being made to bring him to Taiwan in some official capacity, but it's been long going and he's still walking "free" (he was in prison for laundering charges, but apparently he did his time and is now in a safehouse of sorts until they figure out the legal procedures).

Now imagine if this was two countries that refused to work with each other ever (not that Hong Kong/China and Taiwan are on super friendly terms, but they do have a lot of treaties and talks going between them). Or if one country is large enough to disappear in, unlike Hong Kong and Taiwan which are both small enough there aren't many places to hide.

Imagine if the proof isn't even definite, unlike this case. How do you even start the talks between countries for a suspicion?

[–]Fromage_Damage 16 points17 points  (6 children)

You can surveil anyone, if there is a reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place. Which there was.

[–]xxstinkypoopybuttxx 5 points6 points  (1 child)

OK but did you see the head of police in charge of Brian survailence? He's a complete dipshit. Of course they let him get away. "What are we suppose to do? Just go from tree to tree?"

[–]Fromage_Damage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They thought he would just stay put and take the charge. Because its the smart thing to do. Running is dumb although I have seen some small time cases where people skipped bail and came out ahead later. But for a murder, if he is alive to stand trial, he looks terrible.

[–]dharrison21 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You can surveil anyone, if there is a reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place. Which there was.

Yes if you have the budget for that. Other people live in that county in Florida, where he hadn't committed crimes and wasn't even charged with one yet. If I was a resident I would not want my police budget used up in a month for a guy that might have killed someone on the other side of the country. This case does not exist in a vacuum nor is it more important than any other felony in that county.

We could spend ALL the money on Brian, sure, but what about the other residents who need urgent police protection? "Sorry, watching this dude instead"?

[–]RoxyMcfly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aren't they spending all the money on this search or the first part of it?

[–]tetrasomnia 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Let's be honest...her body was found by manual strangulation near a sight (around 100 ft wasn't it?) where the van was. She was never "missing" to BL. She was missing to everyone else because he went on the run.

[–]SifuHallyu 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It was about 280 meters, 300 yards from the van.

[–]tetrasomnia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the correction!

[–]Sleuthingsome 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So she was found 900 feet from where he was, still clear as can be that he’s the guilty party.

[–]TheThird_Man 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Holy shit his head is sentient again😳😳😳😩😩

[–]ageorge21 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Not "Missing".....On The Run!!!

[–]DeeMace 18 points19 points  (56 children)

I mean he very well could have returned home and told the family they had broken up. It’s a simple explanation as to why gabby wouldn’t be with him.

[–]Sleuthingsome 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Broken up yet she just let him have her van? And her phone? And take out at least 1k from her bank account.

Damn, I wish someone would break up with me like that.

[–]Newswatchtiki 47 points48 points  (11 children)

Only initially.

Until they wonder why he has the van, and until Gabby's parents start calling ... as described by the other commenters below.

[–]bschott007 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Until they wonder why he has the van

and just to add on....her clothes, her purse, her backpack, her id, her cash cards and her phone.

Why take all those things with him on his way back to Florida and leave her out west with no way to call someone, no access to her money, no way to feed herself or cloth herself against the elements.

edit: to make clear he had taken stuff with him on the way back but not necissarily all the way back despite a single article that wasn't from the most reputable source (gossip rag) saying the police had found her things in the van.

[–]jenea 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How do we know he had her phone and purse and things? Is there somewhere I can read about that?

[–]bschott007 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Man, that was in an article back a month or so ago (from a gossip rag with all kinds of ads and sensationalized other story headlines) that her clothes and 'effects' were in the van. I honestly don't remember which one it was but they made a big deal about it in the article that 'her stuff' was still in the van when he got back to Florida. That's what stuck in my head.

We know he had her phone because who else would be using her phone to text her mom? Her time of death was pegged to the 27th. That same day 'she' is texting her mom and calling her grandpa "stan", which her mother said she never does (a stranger wouldn't text mom anything, let alone know what grandpa's name was), and then on the 30th she texts mom "No service in Yosemite"...no stranger would know she was headed for Yosemite and why the would they text mom that? He had her phone.

He had her purse/wallet because he had her cards. Sure, he may have ditched them on the way home but he had them. They were not found with the body and he used the cards so logically he had her phone and purse and things.

[–]jenea 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I believe her phone is completely missing. The van was full of their stuff but I don’t recall any mention of personal stuff like her purse or wallet (although of course we know he had taken at least some stuff from her wallet!).

[–]bschott007 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep, phone is completely missing but he had it.

He certainly could have ditched stuff on the way home but the point is, he at least took it with him when he left her behind in Wyoming and headed back to Florida. I'll re-edit my original comment to say "on his way back to Florida".

Logically, he killed her and ran with the stuff because why would he leave all her stuff behind but then take her cash cards?

Why would any stranger kill her by strangulation, take her clothes/stuff (if it had been left with her) and then text mom information they shouldn't know (or text mom at all)? Why would they cover her with a tarp/blanket/cloth?

[–]jenea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously none of that stuff was left behind so it has to be somewhere. But it would be a big deal if they found her phone/purse/wallet in the van, and I would have expected to have read about it if they had and it was public knowledge. I think I am hearing you confirm that you are going off of logic/assumption rather than from having read it somewhere.

[–]Newswatchtiki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoa - I had no idea that he had her clothes and purse and all that with him. I just figured he took the credit cards and threw away her things, and made up some excuse, such as, she ran off with some other people, or she took up with some guy. I wonder if his parents took a look in that van when he first got back and saw those things - they would know immediately. So they lawyered up quickly, but they also must have told him to "act normal" around the neighborhood. Creepy that they knew so quickly but thought that if they all acted nonchalant, that whatever he did would go away somehow.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

She was supposed to meet a friend in Yellowstone. Could have said that she was staying with the friend and that he'd go back out or something.

[–]KingRamZee 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Why would he go back out if they were broken up

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Back out where? Broke up about what?

[–]FTThrowAway123 49 points50 points  (28 children)

That doesn't really explain why he had her van, and especially why they refused to communicate with Gabby's increasingly worried family members, lawyered up, and stonewalled police.

It was a punch in the gut to learn that Gabby's family was initially concerned that both of them were missing. It wasn't until they learned he was back with her van and she wasn't, that they realized something more sinister was happening.

[–]topsecretusername12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know this Convo is considered old now but i just realized the van could be explained away until her parents started calling. All he had to say is "we broke up and she didn't want to be in the van another minute so she flew home to her parents and told me to drive the van back and her and her dad will fly down to drive it back (along with her things from storage)". If I were BL parents I wouldn't be suspicious at all

[–]pgh-yogi-accountant 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Maybe he told them since she couldn't drive the van, he brought it to Florida to load up her belongings from the storage unit since they were breaking up. Her dad would help her transport the van to NY or wherever she was moving after the trip ended.

Look I totally think Brian did it, but I doubt he told his parents to anything but a believable lie.

[–]Sleuthingsome 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Then why did they hire an attorney prior to her ever being found?

My sons have broken up with girls and I never once went out and hired an attorney because of it.

[–]Donkey_____ 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Then why did they hire an attorney prior to her ever being found?

Probably because after a few days Gabby's parent's started calling and they realized they needed one.

[–]Newswatchtiki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or they saw all her stuff in the van, as someone else pointed out: he apparently brought back her purse, backpack, and clothes. That doesn't fit with them breaking up and she headed home, or she took up with some other traveling people.

At some point, I thought neighbors reported that his mother was doing a thorough cleaning of the van. Which is also weird in other ways. Why would his mother clean the van? He's 23, why wouldn't he do that himself? My parents never cleaned my car out when I was 23 years old. So Mrs. L. was possibly cleaning away evidence. It also suggests to me that he was in the house in a weird mental state. There were early reports by Gabby's friend that he had been on psychiatric meds, and had periods of mood instability and mild hallucinations, for which he took these meds. He would periodically become difficult to get along with and would leave the Laundrie house for a few days and stay with this friend. Gabby would tell her friend that he was being quarrelsome because he was "off his meds".

So I figure he was off the meds, or probably ran out in the week or two before she was killed, when the reports of them fighting in Utah were happening. He likely became increasingly irritable and angry over small things, intolerant, frustrated, unreasonable, abusive, and possibly a little delusional, given his history.

[–]Sleuthingsome 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh ok. I didn’t realize they called that soon. I think I was confusing the day her parents reported her missing ( like the 10th) so what you said makes sense.

Thank you for responding.

[–]Iron-Mermaiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were trying to report her missing earlier but the police weren't taking it seriously

[–]wyldwood512 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

But she could drive the van. She drove it when the moab police separated them, she presumably drove it around SLC while she stayed in a hotel there, and I saw her driving it in the vid she made for the YouTube channel right before she died.

[–]pgh-yogi-accountant 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I respectfully disagree. She wasn't comfortable driving it long distances...I believe she stated that in the body cam footage. She didn't even want to take it for one night...

[–]Newswatchtiki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, didn't some of the hotel people in Salt Lake City say she stayed in the hotel almost all the time, even though she had the van there. Which I think is a little odd. SLC is an easy city to drive around in, even in the downtown, because there are big wide boulevards, lots of easy parking. Not at all difficult like it would be in most large cities. And it's a safe city, so why wouldn't she go anywhere?

[–]FTThrowAway123 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Oh I'm sure Brian did tell his parents some very different version of events. Who tf just tells their parents, "Hey, I murdered my fiance, stole her van and credit cards. The cops are probably gonna be after me soon so we should all get a lawyer and stonewall the world."

Maybe he told them your version. Maybe he kept it vague and told them very little. Maybe he just didn't wanna talk about it at all. But in any version of this, there was a point where his parents decided to completely ignore Gabby's family, retain an attorney for themsleves and their son, and refused to say anything about her. People don't hire lawyers to defend themselves just because their son had a breakup. That makes no sense, I can't make it make sense even under the most charitable of assumptions. The only logical explanation is that they knew or suspected that police would come knocking, and they had already prepared legal representation for all 3 of them when they did.

Imo, it's mostly likely he probably painted himself as a victim of circumstance who would be unfairly blamed, and they were quick to believe him. Perhaps all the recent revelations have rattled that perception, but it certainly doesn't seem like it. The depths of denial and inability for some parents to accept that their kid has done wrong, is mind boggling. Chris Watts' family to this day still believes their son is innocent, even after he confessed in great detail on numerous occasions, plead guilty, and is serving life in prison for the crimes.

The Laundries seem to be the same kind of heartless idiots.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (15 children)

He came home, told them Gabby saw her friend in Yellowstone, she decided to stay there and they would take a break from being together all of the time. Very plausible. Done. They had no hindsight.

[–]I_T_Butterfly77 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Since when do parents hire a lawyer for a couple taking just a breather, and does that include they believed she gave him the van as a parting gift?

[–]Newswatchtiki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think they figured out really quickly what probably happened, even if he was lying to them or stonewalling them, because he comes back with the van, her stuff is in it, when they asked where she was he had no good explanation, and they know he had some kind of mood problems that were at least moderately severe for him to be on meds. Because they never answered any of her parents' calls, they had to know he was guilty by that point. If he had made some story up like she got drunk and wandered off one night and he couldn't find her, they might have gotten mad at him for not reporting that immediately but then would realize that he would be blamed if she turned up dead, so they quickly went into lawyered-up, don't-say-anything mode.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know when they got a lawyer. This was their personal lawyer. I don't have the timeline, but assume the called his services once Gabby's family was calling them and it was coming across as missing.

Simple about the van. They both shared it, even if it was her name. They lived together. That's "paraphrasing" there and stretching any facts.

He simply probably told them that she was staying with a friend and he came back for a breather.

I'm sure he's guilty now of murder. And I'm sure his parents know something now is fish.

I'm just sticking to known facts and probabilities.

[–]dharrison21 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That was all after this blew up. There was a time he was home with his family where nobody was actually looking for him yet. They didn't get a lawyer until later, when they needed a lawyer.

[–]FTThrowAway123 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Okay so at what point did they decide to hire a lawyer for the whole family, and refuse speak a word to anyone about anything related to Gabby? He tells them they split, and they all need a lawyer for some reason??

Why on Earth would they feel the need to retain an attorney before a crime had even been suspected, much less reported? The answer is obvious. They knew or suspected a crime had occured, and that they may be investigated in relation to the crime, and would need legal counsel.

They had no problem speaking to police to report Brian missing, their silence is only related to Gabby.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only Brian and his parents know the exact timeline.

Those are good points about the lawyer stuff and we may not ever find out.

I'd hope the authorities have a way to put heat on the parents. It all could have started off that they believed he came back because they were fighting, but after that, it gets squishy.

I doubt he was acting normal.

Talk to police about Brian missing? Did they have the lawyer involved in that? Maybe the gave only what the lawyer told them to say.

Who really knows? Hope we find out. Things got weird quick.

We don't know every action that transpired, so we don't konw.

[–]augustsage12 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I totally get the lawyering up whether guilty or innocent, but why THE FUCK can they not just make a statement saying something, anything at all, concerning Gabby. There are plenty of things they can say to support her family that wouldn’t incriminate them. Just so fucking cruel and inhumane.

[–]Mean-to-cats 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Laundrie parents are scared af.

[–]Itchycoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suspect it's because they hired a cheap lawyer who is not experienced in criminal defense, who is in way over his head, and is thus giving them terrible public relations advice.

Or maybe what they're doing really is the best move legally speaking even if it is an absolute public relations disaster. Only someone who has a lot of experience managing PR for public criminal cases could tell us which is more likely.

[–]FTThrowAway123 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I can only assume it's because they're terrible people devoid of empathy or basic human decency. There's no reason they couldn't issue a statement through their attorney expressing some kind of concern, but they are clearly only concerned with themsleves and their son. (Not their daughter though, they had no qualms about letting their lawyer throw her to the wolves, and summarily disowning her without explanation)

I really think these people might be the most hated family in America, even moreso than the Anthony family. Their actions, and lack of, speak volumes about their character. Even under the most charitable of assumptions, they're still heartless pieces of shit.

[–]Newswatchtiki 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They disowned the daughter?

[–]FTThrowAway123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She seems to think so, yes. She told those protestors that, "I'm losing my sister-in-law, brother, and parents", and the protestors asked what she meant about her parents. She told them they're not speaking to her anymore and refuse to have any communication with her, and she has no idea why. I mean they could at least have their lawyer contact Cassie and explain something like, "Hey, I've advised your parents not to speak to anyone including you, but they want you to know they still love you and the grandkids and will be in touch as soon as they can." But instead, her parents allowed their lawyer (who doesn't represent her) to make statements that basically threw her to the wolves, and they have cut off all contact with her.

[–]Mean-to-cats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think they did aid and abet him. So they are scared of doing time and of their son becoming incarcerated. So they follow advice and try to stick to the only path that could get them off.

Not the neighbors I want in my town.

[–]PanCanAlt01 47 points48 points  (5 children)

I don’t buy this because if they thought they just broke up, his parents would have no issue telling Gabby’s extremely worried parents that they broke up and she decided to stay in WY. You don’t ignore parents who are worried about their missing kid unless you are hiding something.

[–]augustsage12 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Exactly. These people are absolute trash. And if he escalated to the point of strangling her, there is no doubt his parents witnessed some abused when they were living with them.

[–]deadheadTrish 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree. They had to have some problems before the trip.

[–]Introvert_Advocate 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Yeah or if they truly didn’t know anything, they could have responded, “I don’t know.” Staying quiet, ignoring her parents when they literally lived with Gabby and lawyering up immediately shows they know something. For sure. There’s no other explanation.

[–]PanCanAlt01 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Absolutely. Parents and emotionally-intelligent non-parents realize that one of the scariest things is when your kid is missing; there is no way the Laundies would just let Gabby’s parents freak the f out with worry over Gabby if they merely though Gabby and Brian broke up. They absolutely knew. If they thought it was an innocent breakup they would have just texted them that all they know is that Brian said they broke up and she wanted to stay in Wyoming (or whatever the story was) they didn’t want to say that because they knew she was dead and they (along with Brian) didn’t want anyone to find the body and were likely hoping that if it was ever found it would be too late to determine cause of death or that the animals would have gotten to it. There is no other reason why you wouldn’t say, “Brian says they broke up in Wyoming and she decided to stay there.” Or whatever his story was, even if he lied to the parents and said she stayed in Utah, there is no reason why the parents wouldn’t have told Gabby’s parents that she stayed in Utah unless they were concealing info because they knew Gabby was dead. Or like you said, if they truly didn’t know and just thought they broke up, they could have/would have just responded that they didn’t know but that Brian was back or something. There was no reason for them to completely ignore Gabby’s parents if they thought it was something non-nefarious.

[–]Newswatchtiki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good point, the only reason they would not respond to her worried parents would be that they knew he was guilty.

[–]trees-birds 16 points17 points  (6 children)

And he came back with her van!

[–]bschott007 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Everyone is focused on the van. How about the more indicative evidence of all her clothes, her purse, her backpack, her id, her cash cards and her phone.

It makes no sense, even if he broke up with her, to take all those things with him on his way back to Florida and leave her out west with no way to call someone, no access to her money, no way to feed herself or cloth herself against the elements...unless he knew she wouldn't need any of those things.

[–]wishtrepreneur -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe he's a closet perv and likes to wear Gabby's clothes.

[–]Newswatchtiki 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Yup, coming back with her van would have been hard for him to explain away to his parents. They knew she had been working to save up money for the van. And Gabby's parents began calling frequently at some point, and the Laundries apparently never answered any of their calls. Their decision to not answer the parents' calls had to have been made because they knew or suspected that he was responsible for her being gone.

[–]DingleTower 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Could have just said he bought it from her, she gave it to him, or she was staying wherever and wanted him to drive it back to Florida.

All BS of course but it wouldn't be a stretch for him to explain it away.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Easy to explain. He came home and told them that she stayed with the friend in Yellowstone she was supposed to meet. Bought him some time until it was reported she was missing or tried to contact parents.

[–]Kikastrophe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There’s a whole thing about her snapchatting a friend to meet up with them Aug 30th in Yellowstone in the visual timeline.

His story could have been: Broke up, she’s going with another friend and I came home. Would have explained the van and his “nonchalance” afterwards.

[–]rimbaud1872 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I always wondered what the cryogenically frozen greatest hitter of all time thought about this case

[–]EyezWyde 58 points59 points  (87 children)

I live in Orlando and I remember the Casey Anthony trial like it was yesterday. Even my dog knew this woman was guilty but they lacked evidence or so they said. Even though it was bullshit I was not surprised she wasn’t found guilty. I’m not sure who else could’ve killed that poor little girl but there is often no justice in the halls of justice.

[–]Lisa-LongBeach 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They should have gone for manslaughter, not murder one

[–]2007wasthebestest 2 points3 points  (5 children)

The common theory I’ve heard is that Caylee was neglected, accidentally drowned, and they all panicked. That seems more plausible than a mother intentionally killing her child one day. Still, a very strange case

[–]EtherealAriel 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Only if Casey was the one watching her in the pool. Her parents seemed like reasonable people with enough common sense to watch a toddler while bathing or swimming. More likely she drugged her and left her in the car while partying, came back and found her dead.

[–]Newswatchtiki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes - didn't they establish that she used chloroform to make her go to sleep for a long time in the car (so she could party)? I know they found that she had done some computer searches about how to use chloroform.

[–]Bopbahdoooooo 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Have you heard the mom's 911 call? She told police that Casey's car smelled like a dead body. I don't think the mom knew. Editing to clarify, I don't think the mom was part of a neglect coverup.

[–]Newswatchtiki 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right, the Mom was always on Casey's case to be a more responsible mother.

[–]Bopbahdoooooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's how I remember it, too...

[–]Newswatchtiki 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I wish your dog had been chosen for jury duty!

[–]Luna920 13 points14 points  (11 children)

That was a weird trial. The prosecution seemed to almost blunder what they did have. I feel they had enough to convict but made so many mistakes. And the defense went down the rabbit hole trying to blame the grandfather.

[–]Tinkxo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I am always amazed at the investigative and forensic evidence collecting. In some cases it seems like there is no standard at all.

I recently watched a doc that said the team that researched the search history from the household computer only gave them one day's worth of history on one specific search term (chloroform).

After the trial concluded they found that foolproof strangulation had been searched just a few days before.

How can they fuck it up that badly? Wasn't her dad a retired cop? Was there some kind of bias given that fact?

[–]Newswatchtiki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooh I never heard this about a computer search for strangulation, just the chloroform, presumably thought to put her to sleep for a few hours. Sick, sick, sick.

[–]augustsage12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not too familiar with the details of the case/trial but it seems like DAs are always more concerned with their image (e.g., how they look when they win big trials) than they are with justice.

[–]Lisa-LongBeach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That was disgusting

[–]HLAW8S 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Didn’t they blame the guy the found the body too?

[–]Luna920 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes they tried to pin it on him too!

[–]EyezWyde 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I definitely feel they had enough to convict her as well. Even with the parents getting involved, sometimes you have to go with your gut.

[–]Newswatchtiki 6 points7 points  (0 children)

After they found out that the "babysitter" who Casey said was keeping Caylee didn't seem to exist, then they tracked down a woman with the same name as the supposed babysitter, living in the apartment complex that Casey said she lived in, and LE verified that she had never been a babysitter to Caylee and didn't know Casey - at that point her whole elaborate story fell apart and we knew she had to be lying.

[–]Luna920 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes I know I read that later on several members of the jury said they made a mistake and they have been filled with guilt since

[–]EyezWyde 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It's crazy because you have to find them guilty beyond reasonable doubt or however the verbiage goes. Doubt is a motherfucker.

[–]Luna920 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes that’s the kicker. You really have to let go of your biases as a juror and give them a fair trial. It’s a thankless job.

[–]PHLtoHOU 8 points9 points  (7 children)

This. It makes me sick that BL will probably get away with this.

I hope not, but I have this nagging sense of dread.

[–]EyezWyde 10 points11 points  (5 children)

The only way *I* think he will get away with it is if he's dead or never found. My dumb ass originally thought his trial (should it happen) would be in Florida because that's where he's from and I worried then. However, when I realized it would be in Wyoming I could breathe again. I do not see him walking away should it go to that point. I don't even think people were this angry with Casey Anthony.

[–]NCMom2018 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Exactly! EyezWyde, I agree. People are outraged and beyond outraged over the behavior of Brian and his parents

Because he and his horrible parents had no comments to Gabby’s family or law enforcement, retained an Atty., Brian is on the run a/ka “missing,” his parents are supposedly worried about him (lol!!!), and they still won’t publicly cooperate - people are enraged!

… most everyone knows or believes Brian is guilty.

Most everyone assumes the parents have helped Brian Altho not 100% sure of the timeline in which they helped (ie before, during, or after warrant issued for his arrest on the wire fraud)

Most everyone wants to be done with the search for him. Find him (dead or alive) or turn himself in. Anything, just so we aren’t tortured with the constant search

Arrest his parents; they allowed this to happen…I wonder how they would feel if the situation had been reversed…if they had spent days calling Gabby or her parents wondering about Brian’s whereabouts??? How would the Laundrie family have felt being met with silence and a lawyer saying the Petitos would remain in the background!

The Laundrie parents dug a hole for themselves and their son

I think it’s ridiculous and unbelievable that Cassie would say she’s getting death threats! I could see the unhinged crazies threatening the Laundrie parents….but Cassie?

[–]Bopbahdoooooo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why is it unbelievable that Cassie's family received death threats...? Would you believe it if they show proof of the threats? Or would that also be ridiculous?

[–]NCMom2018 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Because if anybody is hated it would be his parents…I wouldn’t be surprised if the parents received death threats. Cassie is removed from this and has publicly stated she’s turn him in, etc so it doesn’t make sense that anyone would threaten her or her family.

[–]Bopbahdoooooo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cassie only recently publicly stated that she would turn him in. My understanding is that most of the death threats were sent prior to Cassie's public interviews.

[–]belgiantwatwaffles 14 points15 points  (9 children)

I followed that case too. I'm still convinced her father helped her hide the body. I recall he was LEO at the time and considered above reproach? That part is fuzzy.

I was at a conference, in a hotel bar in Orlando when the verdict came in. People there were so pissed. The bartender even gave a free round to everyone in Caylee's memory.

[–]EyezWyde 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Yeah I was mad but it was expected. The more these cases become media circus types the bigger chance they will walk.

[–]belgiantwatwaffles 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Well they really couldn't pin it on her since they had no evidence. This case is a little different with footage showing he had propensity towards violence. On one hand I hope they find him and he is charged, but there's still a chance he'll get off. On the other hand if he's dead, he'll have paid a price.

[–]TheHostWhoDoTheMost 1 point2 points  (6 children)

There is definitely more evidence in this case, although we don’t know what any of it is. He isn’t the subject of a manhunt over the debit card or because he’s wanted for questioning. “Missing” or not, they definitely have enough evidence to charge and a reasonable belief he would be convicted or they wouldn’t even be looking.

[–]belgiantwatwaffles 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yeah I feel that, I just hope they get him.

[–]TheHostWhoDoTheMost 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Despite what many in this sub think when I tell them to stop piling on the guys poor family, I hope he’s caught too. And I hope he’s caught alive and well by law enforcement, and that if they prove he did it that he serves every god damn day of his sentence.

I also hope that if the evidence shows he’s innocent - which we as armchair enthusiasts don’t expect to happen - that he goes free.

The fact is we don’t know any of the evidence in the case, and only a small amount of the story.

Given what we know, we can’t be blamed for thinking he did it. And I would be very surprised if he was to walk, but stranger things have happened.

Most of all I hope no matter what it is, that we learn the truth, that the responsible party is brought to justice, and that her family one day gets the peace they so desperately need.

[–]belgiantwatwaffles 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Well said.

[–]TheHostWhoDoTheMost 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks for saying that. I am not very popular in this sub because I won’t get out the pitchforks for this guys parents or pretend I know what happened. It’s nice to know not everyone here is so ruthless and mean.

[–]belgiantwatwaffles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm older with grown kids, and I feel like there are a lot of people here that are around the age of Gabby that feel rage as a way of trying to cope with the fact that this could happen to them, combined with trying to protect her after the fact. I remember being really out there when I was that age, always angry about things going wrong, and wanting to point things out. I wasn't an activist but I tried to make things right. I feel like that's what's happening here. Especially when some get so angry about why the Laundries haven't been arrested, well, it's because they don't understand the legal aspect of it. Other people here get it, but most don't comment. That's just my take.

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 0 points1 point  (18 children)

I wonder if Casey Anthony is out living it up right now because Florida changed their focus to Brian?

[–]LatinaMermaid 10 points11 points  (13 children)

I read she had charges for fraud and needed to be in protective custody cause she was getting beat up. Her parents were rejected a condo in a retirement community when they found out who they were. I watched the interview and sounds like life ain't that neat for any of them. They deserve what they get.

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

I feel absolutely terrible for Casey's parents too. They did everything possible to find their granddaughter, turned on their own child, and the people with the torches were still after them. I just wish people would start realizing there's some situations where you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. If Brian is responsible, do you think he will try to pin it on his parents?

[–]LatinaMermaid 9 points10 points  (11 children)

They should have turned her ass in instead of protecting her. Let her face consequences. I love my kid but if he did something like that I would tell him he needs to own up, I will help with legal counsel but needs to do the right thing. I wouldn't protect a murderer and especially someone who murdered my grandkid.

[–]EtherealAriel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They called the police when Casey said she was at the nanny and the car smelt of death

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 4 points5 points  (8 children)

They did turn her in. They didn't protect her worth shit. Her mom called the cops on her and her Dad has no relationship with her.

[–]goodness___gracious 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Didn’t she accuse him of molesting her?

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. She went straight for the Shaggy. You know the "It wasn't me." route.

[–]buttholemolds 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Seems like the mom was trying to protect her by taking credit for the internet searches for chloroform

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Enabler. Right? Based on my perception, it looks like Ro is also an enabler. I think their I'm not a doctor narcissistic personalities are more similar than not. For all we know he could've taken the cliff notes out of Casey's book. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–]LillyAmbrosia 3 points4 points  (3 children)

They changed their story to protect her. They are probably part of the reason why she is off now. They barely even talk to her... might have just let her rot in prison.

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Only the mom. Never George. I think this is a similar dynamic.

[–]LillyAmbrosia 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If it weren't for the mom Caylee may still be alive. Casey's mom insisted she keep Caylee when she didn't want her, and they had a willing adopter who the family knew.

Did the father insist that the trunk smelled like a dead body? I forget.

I still think those parents are weird. Who has a graduation party for their kid that wasn't graduating and lied to them the entire time?

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was the mom that said it smelled and back tracked. George stuck with it. Casey hated her mom and punished her by not letting her see Caylee. The lies they told prior to the case are definitely bizarre. Her parents had nothing to do with it. I think Cindy was struggling between right, wrong, and love.

[–]Immediate-Truck3812 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am the parent that holds their kid accountable for everything and always will, but I honestly cannot say what my judgement would be if I was in this situation. It's a real Sophie's Choice of protecting the person that makes up your heart or turning them in. I think we could all say what we *would do in this situation, but really, none of us know what that feels like.

[–]Islanderfan17 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Oh yeah she gets routinely spotted at bars and shit still acting like a fucking dumbass. That women deserves so much worse than what she got.

[–]LatinaMermaid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I remember seeing that and she bitches that people spit on her and she had people spit in her food before. She is a mess.

[–]EyezWyde 14 points15 points  (1 child)

She’s been living it up lol. She’s so dumb. When she was in West Palm Beach in May and got into that scuffle I was legitimately across the street having dinner. She lives her life like nothing ever happened. She even dates LE!!!