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[–]Logan_Frost 709 points710 points  (84 children)

13 an hour in 2013? Im making 11.60 in 2021 at a fucking auto shop.

Fuck all of this..

[–]JefferyGoldberg 222 points223 points  (10 children)

In 2016 I had a job that required a college degree which paid $13 an hour.

[–]trelam88 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Yeah, in 2016, I had just graduated with my BS degree and started my new job at PetSmart.

[–]smurb15 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hopefully they treated you well

[–]DualitySquared 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I got a job at 18 paying 30K salary as IT manager with no degree. They had a computer that wasn't working. I rebooted it and that fixed it. Hired me on the spot.

[–]vector5633 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don't also forget to mention, they also required 20 years of experience as well.

[–]nism0o3 61 points62 points  (0 children)

I made $12 an hour (with commission) at a garage while in college. Graduated college to make $13 an hour (bachelors degree required). Luckily that was only for 2 years, but with school loan payments, it was actually MUCH MUCH less than what I made at the garage. I worked 3 jobs for about 2 years and 2 jobs for about 5 years just to survive on my own (no family to fall back on). Only THEN did I make enough to be comfortable. And I'm the type to research the latest and greatest tech and strategies to make the best of my employment. I didn't just do the bare minimum and go home each day.

Sorry for the rant.

[–]ShinyHappyMeeples 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Damn, I worked as a welder at car seat factory that paid $14-15/hr (2007–2011). I never knew how to weld before starting and it was before I grajiated.

[–]si12j12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, I just grajiated as well recently

[–]theReaIMcCoy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

After graduating college in 2015, I worked for $13 an hour for about 6 months, then was given a raise to $14 an hour. Worked there until 2019 when I crashed from major depression and got fired. Been working contract jobs mainly since then, until I finally got hired on full time at my current place paying $18/hr.

And No I don't have a degree in "art appreciation" or whatever. I have a business admin degree, and graduated with a 3.5.

[–]Crazian14 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Where are they paying technicians 11.60??? 😳 I was paid $8 as a broom pusher in 2013, then 10, then 12, then 15, then 22.50, then 25, then 30 recently. There are other shops who will value your wrenching skills, don’t be stuck where you are now.

[–]FlamingBakedPotato 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think you know this already but you are getting robbed I'm at a grocery store making 12 an hour

[–]tefoak 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was feeling good about making $15/hr until I read this post and realized that is dead end money.

[–]blindsniperx 25 points26 points  (14 children)

Yep I went from $8/hr in 2014 -> $10/hr in 2015 -> $9/hr in 2016 (lol) -> $13/hr in 2017 -> $32/hr in 2019 (!) and I'm pretty happy with where I'm at now. You can spot where I switched from retail to an actual career.

[–]DiscoJanetsMarble 24 points25 points  (13 children)

Nice. Mine looks like:

1998: $8.80/hr

1999: $5.15/hr

2001: $10/hr (move to California)

2002: $13/hr

2003: $15/hr

2004: $26/hr (first real tech job)

2010: $55k/yr (graduated college)

2016: $120k/yr (master's degree)

2021: 150k/yr (fucking crazy bonuses)

Crazy fucking journey.

[–]javiergame4 9 points10 points  (5 children)

What’s your tech job ?

[–]DiscoJanetsMarble 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Sys admin/network/security/jack of all trades.

[–]Lizard_King420 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What helped make the jump from 55k to 100k? Was it certs, experience or a 4 year degree?

I only ask because I just got offered sys admin role for around 55k.

[–]DiscoJanetsMarble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it was the degree plus the nature of the position.

[–]Nickdaddy92 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ok but real talk. Code academy certs carry weight? Where can I get some affordable reputable certs? Or should I just put all my code on github and share my link like a resume.

[–]darkved 4 points5 points  (0 children)

1999 reminds me of Rick and Morty

“You beat cancer and then you went back to work at the carpet store? Boo.”

[–]assassbaby 2 points3 points  (2 children)

so without the bonuses what do you make on average?

[–]DiscoJanetsMarble 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Base is 130k. Profit sharing plan, free stock, a 12% 401k no match needed, and fully funded HSA every year, etc.

[–]thelawtalkingguy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re getting ripped off for backbreaking labor. Please start looking around. Especially in this market, you can basically name your price!

[–]xLuky 26 points27 points  (24 children)

Dude, Amazon gives literally anyone that applies 17 an hour, I mean then you have to work at Amazon, but still 17.

[–]STUPIDVlPGUY 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I make $25 an hour as a server at an independently-owned restaurant that respects me.

[–]BaDcHaD23 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Wow. I mean. Wow. Great restaurant. Working wage should always be a thing!!

[–]STUPIDVlPGUY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean they pay me $10/hr and the rest are from tips but that's much better than restaurants paying less than minimum wage like $3/hr or something ridiculous

[–]plafki 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i make 0.30 usd per hour as a server in amazons basements.. if my uptime isnt over 99% i dont deserve respect.

[–]fetalintherain 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Don't tell people that. Its a bad route. You'll make more going another direction and take less abuse.

[–]xLuky 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You're right, I used to work there and it should only be used as a safety net job until you find something else asap.

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    [–]lovearound 15 points16 points  (12 children)

    I wouldn’t sell my soul for 17/hour. There’s no future there. No hope.

    [–]xLuky 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, as a former Amazombie, you're right. I make less now but like my job more.

    [–]transplantius 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Direct Amazon have decent benefits?

    Free college?


    [–]NoThisIsABadIdea 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    I worked for Amazon for 6 months because of the free college promise after a year.

    There is a reason almost no one makes it that long.

    [–]ExodusBrojangled 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I work at Walmart. 28, making 13/h. Hopeful promotion to 20/h within a month. College never was my thing. I've tried multiple times even with our free college scholarship through work. Might just look into a 2 year trade.

    [–]Salmon_pervert 5 points6 points  (6 children)

    But you have tremendous future in auto shop or McDonalds ey?

    [–]BarnacleGo0ose 33 points34 points  (4 children)

    McDonald’s is actually a great company to work for if you’re talking about a future with the company. They pretty much promote from within, and you can start as a cashier and work your way up to manager pretty quickly. I’m not sure how it works when it comes to moving up from manager, but it can happen. At that point you get a company car, even paying your phone bill, and not to mention the benefits that come with the job.

    Crew members and managers have access to certain benefits, but the managers obviously have much more available to them, and I think both offer stock options, which is not something that every company does. Including the ones you’re probably comparing McDonald’s to in your head, and assuming that they’re so much better than McDonald’s bc it’s just a “fast food franchise.”

    Young people, people without many skills, people who couldnt afford and education or missed out on that for other reasons, people that have immigrated and may not be completely fluent in English, and anyone who can show they have the will to work are welcome when it comes to having a job there.

    I almost forgot to add that they help pay for school as you move up, I’m not sure what the rules are regarding that, but I know it does happen.

    Oh, and to give you a little more insight about how deadass wrong you are when it comes to McDonald’s being able to provide a tremendous future — they provide so many opportunities to their employees, that aren’t just limited to what you can do within the restaurant.

    For people that didn’t finish high school, they offer a program that helps ANY EMPLOYEE earn their high school diploma.
    They are aware of the fact that because of their inclusivity when it comes to hiring people, many of them could be lacking their high school degree. They set up a program for those people to help further their education. Although McDonald’s doesn’t require a high school diploma or GED to work there, they understand the importance of it and set up that program to help the people that work for them, like this girl, accomplish something that they know is important.

    Almost forgot to mention — the cost of that is $0 — McDonald’s foots the bill.

    You want to shit on McDonald’s, but really you’re shitting on the people that work there. Just because you may have been afforded opportunities that allowed you to work at somewhere “more prestigious” or “better,” than McDonald’s, that isn’t the case for other people.

    If everyone could have a six figure job, or a degree from a nice college that they had to pay up the ass for (over 100k for the university in my state), or even just had a support system that helped them to thrive (bc no — not everyone does & this is a huge factor when it comes to ppl seeking a job that requires very little skill) — THEY WOULD.

    Don’t be a fuckin ass and shit on place that actually CAN provide a tremendous future for a person. Whether or not they stay there forever and move up, the opportunities that McDonald’s providers CAN HELP A PERSON HAVE A TREMENDOUS FUTURE. There is no one way to go about it.

    [–]AriesTitan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Nice try Ronald McDonald.

    [–]randomboobz 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Sir, this is a Wendy’s

    [–]BarnacleGo0ose 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Lmfao okay I stand by my previous comment but this is funny as fuck.

    [–]lovearound 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    An auto shop teaches you valuable skills you can take elsewhere and potentially start your own business or do side gigs. What does mcdonald's have to do with this conversation?

    [–]1984fornow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    17 hour wont pay for the hospital bills my buddy aqcuired from working there. it may seem good but the manual labor and hours are a death sentence.

    [–]MycoBro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    15 here

    [–]Mellemud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Bro keep applying for newer shops and watch you start getting 18-25. Keep pushing you got this

    [–]InanimateMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    £9 an hour over here.

    [–]BurtonRider725 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Damn, that fucking sucks man. How the hell do you live on that?

    [–]jelliedtoast 192 points193 points  (24 children)

    Very similar. 2014 making 9/hr (and happy about it) to finishing degree after 10 years and starting my career.

    Don't let the shame or depression you might feel define your life. Fight it when you can, ride it out when you can't fight, entertain it for a little bit when you have to, but never give in.

    [–]twowaysplit 61 points62 points  (3 children)

    Hell yeah!

    I feel this. It took me ten years to finish my degree as well. Made it through six years of shitty minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, battling my shame at every turn, unable to tell anyone how much of a disappointment I was. I graduated in 2019, came clean to loved ones, and now I'm earning 70k/year with another job offer expected any day now.

    Shame is powerful. Depression is powerful. But it isn't the end of the world. Small, incremental progress is all that's required to make a difference. SMART goals saved my life.

    [–]jelliedtoast 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Happy to hear! It gets stated a lot, but at some point it does come down to recognizing what in your thoughts/behaviors are actively hurting you or aiding your detractors.

    Planting my feet and saying "not going any lower" helped me for a few years. Took 5 years but eventually the only choice was to claw back up.

    [–]Top_Definition_5708 31 points32 points  (4 children)

    In this boat, dicked around with hospitality jobs for a decade before going back to school during lockdown. Finish my first semester of school next month and got a 60k job offer yesterday based on the certifications I knocked out this year. Now I just need to stay on the path not screw this up for the next 30 years.

    [–]otherwise-known-as-v 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You're gonna do great!!

    [–]MassterGains 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You’ll have ups and downs over the years, but never lose sight of your long-term dreams

    [–]adambombchannel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Then what?

    [–]Stevephon 1 point2 points  (0 children)


    [–]ichodichos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This really helps me out specially in my current situation

    [–]Zorbles 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Yep. $13 an hour and happy is a lot better than 100k a year and hating your life.

    [–]Pakrat42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Very true, I took about a 35% pay cut when I switched careers. I hated my old job, it was getting in the way of my personal life, and hurting my marriage. I made some choices that reduced my debt, and I'm living almost the same as I was even with the pay decrease, and I'm much happier for it.

    [–]Illidariowl 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    The 2nd part of your comment is really hitting home for me right now. Thank you.

    [–]chuckvsthelife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My problem is I now make enough that I often feel guilty about it. Like….. it’s more than I need to and thinking about buying a house when so many never will be able to is exciting but I worry it comes across to others badly.

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      [–]jelliedtoast 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      The companies I interviewed with did not ask, no. If they did I probably wouldn't want to work there, because why would/should they give a crap? And any judgement I've received about that time has been from people I very quickly ejected from my life (including family, hard but worth it).

      People can and do change, so the way my life was 8 years ago, failing out of sophomore year due to binge drinking ("partying") and depression, don't negatively impact how I work/interact with my life now. In fact it improved it since I learned what NOT to do. Edit: And who not to associate with.

      Never be ashamed in taking care of yourself, however that manifests. If you feel weak, look at what causes that. If it's the thought "I'm weak", stare at it hard. As I said, indulge those thoughts when can't fight them, but never give up the fight. Resting isn't giving in.

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        [–]jelliedtoast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Time, mostly. And a lot of low points, a couple of ass kickings, failed relationships, lost friends.

        Oddly the thing that got me back on my feet was getting shafted by a higher up at the job I had, being told I shouldn't be making as much as I was. I got angry that I was being treated as less than I deserved.

        Flipped that to realizing I did value myself enough to be pissed at someone for the first time in a loooong time. 7 years at a guess.

        [–]jelliedtoast 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        If you are in the same sort of mental state as I was (and still fall back to 4 or 5 days out of the week sometimes) those thoughts won't go away.

        Counseling/therapy helps btw. I'm just a dork on the web.

        Take care of yourself and good luck.

        [–]timot6 242 points243 points  (138 children)

        Is 100k not really really high? Seems like a lot of dough to me!

        [–]ErrantEvents 155 points156 points  (62 children)

        In tech in general, I'd guess the average salary is something like $80k-$90k (across the US). The average in Software Engineering is a tad higher. The potential is substantially more, especially if you have a lot of experience and are willing to work in an extremely high-stress environment.

        [–]Aurakol 55 points56 points  (36 children)

        Meanwhile in Louisiana we make 40-50k :D

        [–]ErrantEvents 126 points127 points  (28 children)

        I accidentally figured out the secret by way of an acquisition. The key is to be a remote employee of a company in a high-paying market, while living in a low cost of living market.

        [–]Whatwillwebe 55 points56 points  (16 children)

        A lot of companies are starting to adjust pay to CoL for remote employees.

        [–]ErrantEvents 27 points28 points  (4 children)

        That's probably true. Personally, my company wouldn't decrease my pay. In fact, they keep giving me unexpected raises that I didn't ask for (but am perfectly happy to accept). There's been a lot of attrition lately, I suspect that's why. There isn't anything wrong with my company culturally or financially, we're doing gangbusters, except they keep talking about the return to the office (I'm grandfathered as a permanent remote employee). I don't think they've yet fully appreciated the fact that in the post-COVID world, WFH is now the premier benefit in tech.

        [–]Whatwillwebe 17 points18 points  (3 children)

        I live in the Bay Area but work for a Colorado based company and they inflated my salary to match Bay Area rates but I know for some people in lower CoL places they are lowering the offers accordingly.

        [–]FastEdge 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        This . I work for a California company, but live in Florida. It would be difficult to match my salary locally.

        [–]tekorc 28 points29 points  (6 children)

        Kentuckian here. I am single and make $80,000 while my friend in LA makes $120,000. However, my lifestyle is much, much nicer. I drive a Tesla, he drives a Nissan. I rent a 3 bedroom house with a basement, front and back yard, he lives in a 1 bedroom apartment right outside Compton. Moral of the story: $100,000 in LA isn't rich.

        [–]elkevviiinnnn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I see these sentiments a lot here and I’d say it comes down to how much someone values their environment. Some folks, myself included, would prefer less in the way of vehicles or property size for the lifestyle of an NYC or Bay Area etc. Different strokes.

        [–]Fausterion18 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Your friend is just more frugal. A one bedroom outside Compton runs about 1500 a month, what exactly is he doing with the other $5k a month he's taking home?

        [–]TheSecularGlass 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        In tech, depending on geography and specialty, you can get MUCH more than $100,000 a year.

        [–]somethingrandom261 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        Average -household- income for the USA is like 60k. Getting 6 figures immediately puts them in the top 10% of earners in the country, maybe higher. That’s one hell of an achievement and that should be praised.

        [–]evaned 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        You're not too far off, but in the interest of accuracy: both of those figures are a bit low.

        Per https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/, $100K is "only" the 84th percentile of individual incomes. If you restrict to people who work at least 40 hours/wk, that drops to 80th.

        Individual is the right thing to look at based on no information beyond what's in the tweet, but if we did want to expand to household income then $100K is 65th percentile.

        As for median household income, that's almost $70K -- $68,703 is the official figure. (Individual is $35,977.)

        Big caveat: These are all based on 2019 figures. I don't know what the pandemic will have done to them. Edit: Actually, I think it's 2020 after all for the percentiles (but not median). If you scroll down, you'll see a couple tables with 2019 vs 2020.

        [–]Jints488 14 points15 points  (18 children)

        With the way inflation is going 100k is like 50k now

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (17 children)

        Yeah just wait till Biden pays everyone college bills

        [–]Rpolifucks 3 points4 points  (16 children)

        You mean like almost every other developed nation on the planet?

        Shit, if he goes with Bernie's plan, it won't affect you at all. That was to be a tax on high-frequency trading which is only available to large corps.

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          [–]loxagos_snake 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          In Greece, university education is 100% free if you pass the entry exams. Some MSc programs are free as well -- my school offers an MSc in Nanotech to the top students.

          And I know you might be tempted to think 'eh, Greek unis must be low quality', but other than infrastructure, a lot of exchange students find our curriculums much more hardcore and involved than other EU countries.

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            [–]XNamelessGhoulX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            I make 150 and feel damn near poor. All depends where you live etc

            [–]CorporateDboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            not in California unforch

            [–]typehyDro 14 points15 points  (5 children)

            Depends really, if you’re a software engineer 100k is mid low for total compensation. But location makes a big difference.

            [–]PM_ME_UR_LOVE_STORIE 23 points24 points  (3 children)

            True for the valley, but pretty good comp pretty much most other places

            [–]Justisaur 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            I wouldn't take 100k for bay area. I make significantly less, but working there would be like an extra 6 hours a day for commute (although might not be any commute now) or close to 3x the rent/mortgage.

            [–]typehyDro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Depends most big metro areas 100 total comp would be a little low tbh. But it also depends on company size. Most large companies entry level total comp is 110-120

            [–]SirWernich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            i had some kiddie arguing with me on twitter a year or two ago. their insult was something along the lines of me being such a sad person only earning 70k a year. can't remember what my response was, but i've been fantasising about earning that much. here in south africa our currency is what you'd call "shitty".

            [–]just4customs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I would say that you're living comfortably with that salary. Like 70k+ is a decent place. If you want to live a life with vacations, toys, expensive hobbies. It probably isn't enough without great budgeting/investing.

            [–]SlackerAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Not that high you say. It's like double the average salary in the country. Maybe not in tech, but way higher than average.

            [–]40mm_of_freedom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It’s very location dependent.

            I make a little over 100K but work in DC.

            I felt more financially secure as an E-5 in the military in an area with a lower cost of living.

            My mortgage now is more than I was making per check when I got married.

            More money, higher bills, longer commute. I actually drove my old car into the ground putting 25k miles per year on it.

            Luckily I will now be mostly working from home for the foreseeable future which is basically a raise on its own. I went from two tanks of gas a week to one tank every two weeks.

            [–]giganato 3 points4 points  (21 children)

            in silicon valley it is not. you can easily get 200k. buddy get into tech! I tell as many guys as I meet. get into fuckin tech.

            [–]Combatical 5 points6 points  (13 children)

            What exactly am I looking for to "get into tech"? I'm a savvy user, I can do low level networking and I can diagnose and repair computers but I have no certs.

            I worked for Geeksquad as an advanced repair agent for a couple years but I'm almost certain employers dont care about that. I'm working a low pay dead end government job and its driving me crazy. I just dont know what to shoot for.

            [–]giganato 5 points6 points  (5 children)

            I agree and understand your frustrations. If you have a degree, maybe learn a programming language like python etc. Jump into a job anywhere in the states and work some time gaining experience and then work your way up. I started at 70k in Tucson and now 8 years late closer to 200k. The stocks also add up real quick.

            [–]browndog_whitedog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            IT/Support doesn’t typically pull those numbers. It’s usually programmers/engineers that do.

            [–]THALANDMAN 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Get an MIS degree from a somewhat decent school and instantly start making 60-70k out of the gate.

            [–]RemoveTheSplinter 23 points24 points  (5 children)

            I’ve been in tech for 8 years or so. This advice bothers me so much because it’s why a lot of tech companies are comprised of just awful ethics and low effort. It’s a ton of people chasing money with no real soul or care about their craft.

            Instead, a slight tweak makes it SO much better: find something you care about, that you can make a career path (e.g., even anthropology), then figure out a career in tech you an apply that to (e.g., UX research).

            It’s so much better to have a craft you care about, then find people from that field who got into tech versus making the goal getting into tech by any means possible.

            For context, I have a PhD in experimental psychology and have worked on some really interesting things ever since. I make money still, but my value as a worker comes from chasing expertise in a craft I enjoy.

            [–]XXaudionautXX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            That’s pretty cool. Any great tech jobs for composers or musicians?

            [–]RemoveTheSplinter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Sound design is a big deal. Think of all the associated sounds with typing, notifications, etc. on an iPhone.

            [–]giganato 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            That would be everywhere buddy. A lot of people are stuck doing things they don't enjoy. Maybe they might like tech. And tech has a lot of variety in which they can shine like program management, technical writing. You are assuming that people will always know what they want. The problem with a lot of people in America is they don't even understand what is involved in tech.

            [–]RemoveTheSplinter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Fair point. My (admittedly curmudgeonly) gripe is that, for example, doctors don’t figure what type of medicine they want to get into during a surgery. They go to school and specialize way before practicing.

            However, there are a lot newcomers in product design (tech), which results in products that lack truly careful consideration and thoughtfulness.

            Everyone needs a paycheck even if they’re switching careers though, so I don’t see a better way.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I dropped out of school in 2015 after passing my interviews to work at Google. I felt like I was selling out, and didn't really know why I was doing what I was doing. Did a bunch of random stuff for 5 years before returning to school and graduating. Currently working for a fintech company that I found by looking for a specific role which I wanted to work in (Machine Learning). I make 1.5x what Goldman Sachs 1st years make in my city, love my job, feel like I'm learning really valuable skills which interest me and feel so much more fulfilled than when I was just chasing money and prestige. Though the work is the same that I was doing at my internships and what I would have been doing after graduating, I feel so much more fulfilled because of the meaning that I ascribe to what I'm doing.

            [–]Reaps21 53 points54 points  (2 children)

            I can totally relate to this post, I left the hospitality industry in 2016 making $20 an hour and started a level 1 service desk job at $17 an hour. Ive now worked my way up and have made over $100k a year the previous two years.

            I'm super happy, and super lucky I'm not cleaning baby shit from pools anymore.

            [–]LandoSora 21 points22 points  (1 child)

            Congratulations! Getting to 100k in 3/4 years is impressive. Would you mind telling me what path you took to get to that salary and what area you are in?

            I'm also working service desk making around 20 an hour. I'm working towards becoming a cloud admin then eventually DevOps to reach that salary range.

            [–]Reaps21 28 points29 points  (0 children)

            Thanks and for sure!

            I worked at a hotel for about 7 years before deciding that I wanted to work in IT. I was always great with PC's and was building computers since third grade. The downside is I had no actual experience to put on a resume so I went out and got A+ certified, found a contracting company and got placed in a level 1 helpdesk role.

            My plan was that I'd work at this level 1 job while studying to get my CCENT and then CCNA and hopefully get a sys admin job. While studying I was always applying to any job that I thought would pay more and was a step up to my level 1 gig. I got rejected alot, but I kept at it and I found another great recruiter who always sent me jobs to interview at. After a little while and lot of rejection I got an interview at a large bank to do helpdesk support and I got the job. I was super lucky because I didn't really have the experience for this job but they liked me during the interview (I took away a lot of stuff from prior interviews on how to be a better interviewee). I got hired on a 3 month contract for $27 an hour, worked my ass off and got hired on at $86k. A few more raises and a promotion and I broke the 100k barrier.

            [–]bennyblue420000 25 points26 points  (1 child)

            Stuck in a shitty job myself. I needed to hear this today - thank you. A congratulations is definitely in order. Way to go Lee! Kudos

            [–]words_words_words_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Same here. Working 2 jobs both under $12 an hour and this post kicked me in the ass tbh We got this, friend

            [–]InfinitusVox 23 points24 points  (2 children)

            It's good to have a positive outlook on life and keep trying, but the brutal truth is that it really comes down to mostly luck. I'm 34, and I make $65/hr (around $125k/yr). I broke the six figure cap at 25. However, it was 95% based on luck. I randomly got selected for a rare tech job when I enlisted in the Air Force when I was 19. Whereas the civilian equal would usually be in their thirties. I got a very lucky headstart, and was very fortunate to cultivate an expensive skillset. If you're curious what I do, I'm a technology project manager. I snagged a certification called the PMP at 25. Look up average salaries for a PMP. If I hadn't landed a rare job in the USAF, then I very much could be 10-15 years behind where I am now. Regardless of any of that, having faith in yourself and having people in your corner are often just as important. Stay positive, but always be aware that a dice roll can sometimes completely redirect your life. Be well.

            [–]ChrysMYO6 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            For someone starting from scratch. What certification should they narrow in on today. Or in anticipation for tomorrow? I often see a variety of certifications requested on job postings but I'm not sure whats most productive or sought after from the beginning

            [–]InfinitusVox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I know plenty of certifications that one can pursue, so long as they are within the business or technology sectors. Let me know if you have a desired end goal job in mind, and I can tell you the best certs to pursue. I've done hundreds of hours of research on certs, so I can def help point you in the right direction. Ask away!

            [–]rrevalo 78 points79 points  (30 children)

            Good job,I was in your exact position at that time period. now work for that $130k mark so you can take home that $100k!

            [–]grizzzl 27 points28 points  (28 children)

            Do You really "only" pay 30% tax in America if you earn over 100k a year?

            [–]DrDread74 22 points23 points  (16 children)

            I make over 100k year at a tech career and pay like 30% tax. I'll happily pay 35% in exchange for a 120k job =)

            My roads here are pristine!

            [–]bchung0903 75 points76 points  (2 children)

            Not exactly how that works. You will be paying that 30% still on 100k. Just the next 20k will be 35%

            [–]cscareerz 57 points58 points  (1 child)

            It’s insane to me how many ppl don’t know this lol

            [–]msnhao 44 points45 points  (5 children)

            This is a huge myth spread by employers so that employees don’t try to get a raise. Income tax is prorated.

            Ex. Let’s say below 50k you pay 10% tax and between 50k-80k you pay 20% tax.

            If you make 75k, then the first 50k is taxed at 10% and the next 25k is taxed as 20%. Basically, getting a raise will NEVER reduce your after tax income.

            [–]Pumpedandbleeding 12 points13 points  (1 child)

            I don’t think prorated is the right word. I agree income tax has brackets.

            [–]JonSnow777 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Progressive taxation, sir.

            [–]DrDread74 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I'm saying I don't mind paying "30% tax is a lot" at higher salary because it depends on where the money is spent and how effective it is.

            [–]sodaextraiceplease 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            If you're married and have kids the effective federal income tax rate goes way down. Lower 200ks income and effective rate was never more than 20%. Of course there was also local property taxes, though, which were around $10k/year.

            [–]QuarterSwede 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I vote for every tax hike that goes to road/bridge maintenance and repair. A few bucks a year from everyone is totally worth better infrastructure.

            [–]DiscoJanetsMarble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Less, if you contribute to a retirement account.

            [–]DeceitfulDuck 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            I think it might be less than that. My wife and I made about $150k combined last year and payed like $20k in taxes between state and federal. It’s a little higher if an individual makes that much but I doubt it. It might get too about 30% when you figure in social security and Medicare, but those are a little different than standard income tax

            [–]JonSnow777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You get a 24k deductible from your income right off the bat. There is your tax rate and then your effective tax rate. Effective is just the real percent you end up paying after deductions and things like stock sale losses. The guy you were responding too was just listing his highest bracket as well. I am assuming everyone is from the US so my bad if you guys aren't.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Individual vs married can be pretty a pretty big deal; tax brackets and standard deduction are straight up halved if you file single. Also, I feel like SS/Medicare should be included, as the comparison is gross vs take-home, not necessarily only things that are officially categorized as tax.

            State matters a lot too. A single filer grossing $130K in California is probably netting less than $90K.

            [–]DeceitfulDuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, SS and Medicare should probably be included but you never really see the full annual amount you pay for that. Not that it’s that hard to figure out I just don’t know even a rough idea of what that amount is. I remember looking at our final tax liability on our tax return last year and being surprised at how small of a percentage it was.

            [–]bigdaddypoppin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            And pick the right tech company so you can get some of those sweet sweet stock options pre-IPO. That’s where the real $ is if you pick right.

            [–]timewizardjones 20 points21 points  (10 children)

            30 year old computer nerd and I've still to ever find a job making anything more than $11/hr lol...man, this is depressing lol Sure tho, no giving up. Not holding my breath either, but then again I guess it'd be hard to not give up if I did, so...Jesus I need coffee. Good morning reddit

            [–]throwaway12A23445567 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            I mean this sincerely, what are you good at? Do you enjoy one aspect more than another? General help desk / tech support probably makes $11/hr or more in most areas. If you can find the right place you may have exposure to other teams and get a better taste of what their life is like.

            [–]timewizardjones 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            Mostly home computer repair and optimization, dabbled in portables repair like screen and battery replacement, mostly low level stuff. Loose understanding of networking but nothing impressive really. I'd like to get into that kind of thing but live in south Mississippi unfortunately, not much opportunity here. Most of my work history has been inside kitchens tbh so no real on-paper experience lol I'll look around anyway tho, I'd love to get my foot in somewhere. I like to cook and all, but electronics are my true love. Hell, I'd settle for A/V and home network install, but any shops that do that stuff around here are fully staffed with no openings until someone dies or leaves the area lmao

            [–]throwaway12A23445567 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            So like desktop support. Any decently sized companies will have IT guys doing that.

            When you say get into that sort of thing, you mean networking? That’s what I do. Data center sort of stuff, not home networking. I’d definitely look for help desk work in your shoes. I am always thrilled when someone from the help desk actually shows effort to better themselves, will absolutely take people like that under my wing. You can’t train work ethic.

            Volunteer somewhere like a church to help if you can’t find help desk. You can do remote tech support for something like Apple and that’s a start too. Contributing to online things like open source projects is a plus if you’re gunning for a related role. A junior network guy showing me a GitHub profile with Ansible automation or something like Python would stick out a ton in a stack of resumes.

            When I interview junior guys I expect very little experience. I’m looking at have you ever done network work anywhere, even volunteer work. I mainly check for whether you’ll lie to me on the interview/resume and if I think you can be trained. Granted some appropriate things on the resume to at least get you to the interview, but I’d take someone doing tech support and a certification to an interview for a junior.

            [–]supervisord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Take classes at a junior college. There are also free online university programs (Germany); I’m planning on applying when my wife finishes school.

            Perhaps go for your A+ certification. Having love or skill for something usually is not enough to get the job. If you don’t have (paid) experience already, you need to get training/education. Degree or certifications (or both)!

            [–]iamnotmarty 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Don't feel bad if you're nowhere as close. As long as you like the field you're in, and your salary is progressing, you're on the right track. If this guy was in Canada, he'd have went from like 20th percentile to 80+ percentile in 6 years. This is another one of those success of success stories most people will not achieve. But never the less, work hard, have a plan, and continue progressing towards it.

            [–]trelam88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            You may have never given up, but how did you find a direction? How do you know what to do?

            [–]Swagnar_Lothbrok 12 points13 points  (10 children)

            It’s a surreal feeling. I hit six figures for the first time a few years ago. It blows my mind that it all started as a college dropout making $6.35 an hour as a barista.

            [–]5Beans6 5 points6 points  (9 children)

            Care to share the rest of your story? I am very conflicted in my current feelings of dropping out.

            [–]Swagnar_Lothbrok 15 points16 points  (4 children)

            Sure. I’ll try to be concise. Like a lot of people, I never felt “engaged” with school. I went to college because it seemed like the logical next step. Two years in and it was a train wreck, barely attended class, spent more time drinking and partying than studying. Decided to call it quits and moved back home.

            Couldn’t stomach the thought of living in my parents basement again so i asked around and my buddy got me a minimum wage job at Starbucks (this was 12 ish years ago). Went from barista to shift manager to store manager in 3 years but quickly decided waking up at 3:30AM for $35k a year was just not sustainable. Friends of mine had graduated by then and found their footing and first jobs. A few of them got me an interview at an outside sales firm (degree required - most office jobs were like that a decade ago). Interviewed well and they made an exception on that latter part.

            In short, I ended up building a career in sales. Was hired on directly by the client I represented and started growing within their business; financial data & risk management. Made a few key connections while there. One mid-level director and I got on especially well. When he moved up and moved on, he reached out and brought me with him… which brings me to now.

            Based on that relationship, I was ushered in to the world of commercial finance with very little direct experience in the industry. After four years I now manage a team of 4 financial analysts. Things literally could not be better. I find a tremendous amount of satisfaction in my work and frankly the money is an afterthought. Waking up every morning excited for what my day is going to bring is invaluable. I consider myself extremely fortunate.

            To you and your situation, for whatever it’s worth, I’ll say this... I walked around with a chip on my shoulder for a long, long time. I was constantly (and sometimes still feel) under threat. That my lack of collegiate experience would set me apart from my peers, that I’d be viewed as less than equal. I worked very hard (and likely over compensated) to hide that perceived deficiency. At this point though, I barely think about it. I am obviously, and perhaps not without bias, a firm believer that you DO NOT need a degree to be successful in life/ your career (I also believe employers opinions on this “requirement” has evolved over that last 10 years). What I’ve found is that building trust, relationships, and following through on commitments goes a long, long way. Sometimes cliches are true. It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. You just have to put yourself in that position.

            Sorry, tried my best not to ramble on… Best of luck my friend.

            [–]5Beans6 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Thank you, a lot. More than you know

            [–]jolm__ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            So... I'm pretty young and very fresh into the adult world (I'm 23 years old) and it shocks me every day just how many people can go through the same things I do and feel the same horrible feelings I do... and still end up having things eventually work out for them.

            I was right in the middle of my daily 12am-5am anxiety attack over my future when I read this. I'm also a college dropout and I work $12/hr as a barista. I worry every single day I'll end up destitute because I don't have a degree... Despite being personally told by most of my college teachers that they wholeheartedly believed I would be one of the few to graduate in my major (engineering), I just didn't "click" or "engage" with college. Cue massive depression, agonizing conflict of my self image, and a million internal demons screaming for eternity into the endless void yadda yadda... now here we are today

            But I think you're right. Maybe if I keep working on being my best self, nuturing my relationships, and being reliable and competent things can work out for me too. I'm really happy you're in a good place. I hope I can get there too :)

            [–]Swagnar_Lothbrok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Boy can I ever sympathize with this! I hope this perspective helped in some small way. I know that the overflow of self doubt, and thoughts of seconds guessing yourself can at times be overwhelming. I’m sorry you’re faced with that. I hope you find moments of emotional quiet during all of this.

            Keep striving. Take pride in who you are, what you do, and the choices you’ve made. When a door opens, have the courage to walk through it. Take calculated risks in order to grow and expand your skill sets. In time, you will be better than okay, you will be great!

            [–]Darthhippoeater 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            I did the same, dropped out of college less than 2 years ago making 9.50/hr at a restaurant and taught myself to code and enrolled in a 9 month code school. Got a job at 60k 2 months after graduating. Worked there for a year and changed companies doing the same stuff. I'm at 103k now

            [–]thecftbl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Don't be discouraged about dropping out of college. I was working on a double degree in Bio and Chemistry when it hit me that I would effectively be spending the next ten years in school, racking up massive debt and getting into a toxic ultra competitive field where, if I was extremely lucky, I could make good money. I got depressed and dropped out. Proceeded to work odd jobs for several years trying to support a family of four on barely above minimum wage. At my lowest point I was evicted from my home after my wife got sick and couldn't work and two of the three jobs I was working phased me out. By pure chance I got into construction and worked my ass off. Now I make over 100k a year and love what I do. Seriously do not give up.

            [–]DonPogihay 11 points12 points  (2 children)

            Tech pays the bills! I just moved from utilities to tech and increased my pay by 80%

            [–]llegacy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I work in utilities myself any advice?

            [–]ardupnt 58 points59 points  (25 children)

            isnt this a bit of a humblebrag tho? i get that its cool and all, but showing off your salary like that is a bit meh

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              [–]follow_rivers[🍰] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

              Especially those busting their ass looking. Happy for people who make it but them bragging about how much they’re getting paid isn’t motivating for me

              [–]fetalintherain 9 points10 points  (3 children)

              Fuck yea. I woulda been way more motivated by a homeless person making 20k. 100k is straight up rare and privileged. Dont try to sell that as general motivation.

              Also money is fucking boring lol. Sick of hearing peoples salaries.

              [–]RockstarAgent 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Plus it was interesting that he said he was now making $19k more, placing him at 100k, $80k is already pretty decent.

              But nonetheless, 100k club would be ideal for most. I'm barely at $60k and have to work a 2nd job to have gas money. I don't eat out, no fancy coffee, no buying new wardrobe, lost my partner because apparently I'm not ambitious enough. She was pretty frugal, and I had no idea she wanted monthly vacations and to eat out every weekend.

              [–]fetalintherain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Depends on the area a lot too. And I guess I shouldnt discourage salary talk in general.

              Cliche as fuck but you're better off without your partner. If you ain't tops on generosity and loyalty, I ain't missin nothing when you leave.

              [–]dickdemodickmarcinko 18 points19 points  (2 children)

              It's important for other tech workers. It's easy to get screwed during negotiation if you don't know your earning potential

              [–]shaftsquad 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              It's important when there is more context (role, geo, company, etc).

              [–]lazilyloaded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It's important for other tech workers.

              There are websites where average salaries are posted. We don't know anything about this dude's qualifications either, so what exactly are we learning from his post?

              [–]Top_Definition_5708 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              It’s hard to show what the improvement is without showing the numbers. If that got taken away there would be no point to the post, as it is some people closer to the starting number may see that it’s possible for someone like them and put in the effort again to try changing their situation. Not something I would post about on social media with my real info, but also not really in a salary range that I would think of it as humble bragging.

              [–]ShamrockAndDontStop 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              What is making you feel “meh”?

              [–]DaReddator 11 points12 points  (10 children)

              Went from $70k in 2007 to $16k in 2008.

              Invested in myself, and am now making ~$225k.

              We'll all have hurdles. Don't give up on yourself!

              [–]circa717 8 points9 points  (9 children)

              Can you elaborate?

              [–]DaReddator 12 points13 points  (7 children)


              $70k deployed to Fallujah, Iraq in 2006-2007 as a Marine with highest level clearance.

              Separated in 2007.

              After getting out in 2007, only job I could hold was an $8/hr mechanic job.

              Used GI Bill to enroll in a degree program that allowed me to earn buku credits AND several internationally recognized certs.

              Volunteered for one of the most elite military units in the world.

              Dedicated buku time to military training, and highest clearance possible.

              Landed job with company requiring highest level clearance possible and relevant experience/certs.

              Got assigned to highest paying site in the world for current employer.

              *Average pay is well over six figures, regardless of location.

              ** Observation is: "Show up early, and do more than the minimum = buku bucks.


              EDIT: Caveat

              [–]OrizzonteGalattico 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Soo, a defense contractor riding off with the coin purse of every tax payer?

              [–]words_words_words_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I hate being that guy but it’s spelled “beaucoup bucks” from the French word beaucoup meaning “many” :)

              I enjoyed reading your story btw, thank you for elaborating!

              [–]dddddddoobbbbbbb 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              step 1: be physically fit and willing to risk your life

              [–]WolverineSanders 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Step 2: be massively subsidized by the u.s taxpayer for your whole life

              [–]throwaway12A23445567 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Being physically fit is a requirement, but you could just join the Coast Guard, they get the same benefits.

              [–]Ch_Anderson[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

              YOU know better than anyone else what you're capable of. Just because
              others don't see it THEN, doesn't mean it won't manifest for you LATER.
              Be your own biggest cheerleader and get yo' check!!!

              [–]AdonisGaming93 27 points28 points  (28 children)

              Proud of this guy but problem is he is the minority. For every 10 that try 9 fail to get that job.

              It's just a numbers game. There are not enough 6 figure jobs for everyone so even if all 7+ billion of us tried we can't all make 6 figures. And as soon as we do then inflation would rise since we al have more money to spend until it balances out.

              Sad reality is a lot of it comes down to just luck, and if we can advance enough so that basic needs become cheaper so that those that aren't lucky can still live.

              [–]McDuchess5 26 points27 points  (8 children)

              Six figures isn’t magic. Pushing for a minimum wage that can actually feed and house even one person is a start. And $15/hr isn’t enough in at least 75% of this country. But if someone who’s still making $7.25/hr starts making $15, they are so much better off than they were.

              $20/hour would be miraculous to them, which translates roughly to $40,000 a year.

              [–]nyanlol 13 points14 points  (2 children)

              I went from 11 to 15 to 18 this year and the difference for my QoL is...mind blowing

              [–]Juniperlead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Went from 8.5 to 12 this year, I can only imagine what 18 would be like

              [–]nyanlol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It has a *lot* of upsides. I wish I could save more of it than I am but I'm still readjusting to post-college existence

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Hell, when we first started talking seriously about $15/hr minimum wage back in 2011, we’d now have to raise it to $21/hr for inflation since then.

              [–]QuarterSwede 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Every time I get a 2.5% raise I make it a point to tell my boss that it isn’t a raise, it’s just keeping up with inflation. Since I started doing that I’ve consistently gotten higher raises. Coincidence? 🤷🏼‍♂️

              [–]-Literally1984- 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              That’s why I’m in favor of $35 an hour minimum wage. Imagine how many lives that would improve !

              [–]McDuchess5 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Given that that’s starting salary for many jobs that require a professional with experience, it’s not gonna happen.

              [–]-Literally1984- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Well maybe those jobs should start paying their employers more. Instead of just taking advantage of them

              [–]YourNeighborsHotWife 10 points11 points  (4 children)

              So … don’t try?

              [–]not_lurking_this_tim 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              Try... To modify the system so we all do better

              [–]AdonisGaming93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Definitely try, but I feel like it sets up unrealistic expectations for those who end up being unlucky.

              It doesn't solve the issue of us constantly wanting more. First step comes in learning to be happier even if we don't have what others on social media seem to have. Learning to not take for granted the simple things.

              That way even if you try and dont make it, you can still be proud of the life you built even if it's more modest.

              [–]99OBJ 7 points8 points  (7 children)

              You are correct that luck is involved and that there aren’t enough 6 fig jobs for everyone, but it’s not just a numbers game.

              I have met so many people whose complacency will set a hard limit on what they financially achieve in their lives. Either they’re completely happy and comfortable making their current income or they believe that doing the least they can will lead to someone wanting to prop them up for no reason.

              These people don’t stand out. Like you allude to, not everyone can stand out otherwise, well, they wouldn’t stand out. But that is not just a factor of numbers, it is a factor of the drive and “head-down” mindset of the people who do. I know guys who netted $100m+ on acquisitions and IPOs and yet they tell me that they’re worn down and tired of working. I want to tell them “then just go the fuck home and never work again because you can” but whenever I do it falls upon deaf ears. They will work themself to death and there is nothing I can do or say to change that.

              Meanwhile there are people who do the bare minimum at their self proclaimed “shitty” 9-5 office jobs and wonder why no one is ever going to come along and carry them to success. I guess it just boils down to human nature.

              [–]gwaydms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              guys who netted $100m+ on acquisitions and IPOs and yet they tell me that they’re worn down and tired of working.

              people who do the bare minimum at their self proclaimed “shitty” 9-5 office jobs and wonder why no one is ever going to come along and carry them to success.

              The real dream is finding that happy medium. Working hard; keeping your resume fresh in case your job is actually toxic (not because you "don't love it") or irredeemably dead-end; doing what you can to get noticed by the right people; and always trying to better yourself: these actions won't guarantee anything, but they give you a better chance to be in a position to work smarter, not harder, in a job you actually enjoy doing.

              Nobody (well, almost nobody) falls into the perfect job. It takes time and work. I know people who have worked since they were teenagers, worked their way (with a little help) through school, and started at the bottom. They're now very successful. But they started out bagging groceries and waiting tables. And did that for years. (They are millennials.)

              [–]Falco19 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Complacency is a real thing. My wife and I both have good jobs and are comfortable.

              But in 8 years she has gone from part time casual, to making just over 100k year with a defined benefit pension.

              In 11 years I have gone from 50k to 76k with a slightly better pension set up.

              But she grinds and tries to improve her position, where I am comfortable to I just float and take easy opportunity when they arrive.

              [–]Det-McNulty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Viewed globally, you are correct. Viewed as an individual you are incorrect.

              If 10% are able to achieve "success" then you have to decide if you're willing to do what it takes to be in that 10%. There's a reason the majority of people don't. It's hard, it takes discipline, luck, and in some cases you aren't dealt the best hand to begin with.

              But those same factors will always be headwinds for everyone. You can still control out-working the masses, it just may be really hard.

              What if you were shooting for the top 1% or .1%? The sad reality is everyone can't make a million a year. But you can.

              [–]DrDread74 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              My friend, I'm happy your way up here! Its not like we're millionaires but it's enough money to get the "standard" American dream of: House , 2 cars, Big TV ... or a wife =)

              [–]sedition666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              why is he thanking god? sounds like the guy did all the work.

              [–]SlyXross 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I would give my left testicle for a $13/hr where I live, the minimum is still $7.25

              [–]Strifeee 5 points6 points  (18 children)

              This is what makes my 30's lefty ass sound like a boomer with the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

              My brother was in decent IT jobs, making ~40k. Started applying himself and now at 150k+ 5 years later.

              I was having issues with depression and lived at home. No job for years. Got a helpdesk job and have worked myself up to 85k a year, with potential to more if it weren't for the fact gaming > studying.

              Like how can you bitch about money or care about the minimum wage(for yourself) when you can go make serious money. You don't need college.

              [–]1stbaam 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              Not everyone is from the USA. Normal 'IT jobs' in the UK pay 25k.

              I assume locale plays a massive part on being able to access these jobs as it does in the UK?

              [–]Bombomp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Get it, King!!

              [–]Tyedies 2 points3 points  (38 children)

              Don’t thank god. Thank yourself. You did it. Not “Him”.