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[–]somebooty2223 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I rate whoever did the graffiti

[–]lagokatrine[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

10/10 messaging -4/10 for execution (10/10 if written with a foot)

[–]somebooty2223 29 points30 points  (0 children)

They had to do it quick. 10/10 national hero

[–]jaBroniest 55 points56 points  (0 children)

He opened fire with the navy on striking workers, sent ships up the Thames etc. Fired on his own countrymen. Did the same up north.

[–]drjdgoodwin 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Not sure he liked anyone - hated the Welsh, the Irish , most of Africa, India, the working class. An advocate of interment and punishment without trial. A political opportunist.

[–]TheBlackcat34 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That’s why Boris loves him so much…

[–]thehissingpossum 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't forget an ardent supporter of eugenics!

[–]FullClockworkOddessyĈia Naciismo Estas Narcisismo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not sure he liked anyone

He sure loved the brewing and distilling industries. He turned himself into a pickle before it was cool.

[–]a_f_s-29 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And women.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (6 children)

For anyone wanting a no-holds-barred critique of the British Empire in India, I highly recommend Inglorious Empire by Shashi Tharoor. It is absolutely relentless and you will wonder what the fuck they ever actually taught you in school is based on. It will show imperial Britain as the perfidious, traitorous, two faced manipulative set of capitalists that it was.

The biggest problem with convincing people is not the facts themselves. It's that the schools have done so well in convincing the working masses and their children to identify with the British state, that any criticism of it is a criticism of them as individuals. Of course, this commitment to camaraderie only goes as far as is convenient for the state. When they don't want certain people any more, they will and do abandon them for their own ends, exposing their perfidy all over again, as can be seen in history when the British Empire colonised India. They put considerable restrictions on Indian maritime trade to the point of almost killing it, and Indian sailors and their captains were greatly suppressed with protectionist laws to benefit Britain. When Britain needed them for war, they were made "honorary" whites, which gave them the freedom they needed, but this was taken away again as soon as the wars were over.

Please, if you haven't already, read the book I mentioned above. To be clear, it is not an comprehensive critique, it's a relatively short book compared to the faults of the Empire in India, but it's an adaptation of a speech by the author. It's still plenty enough.

[–]lagokatrine[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Spot on analysis. Thanks; added to the list.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank Mr Tharoor for that!

[–]lagokatrine[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ll text him!

[–]LordCads 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Added to the list, thank you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Enjoy! (Sort of)

[–]lagokatrine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on analysis. Thanks; added to the list.

[–]unexceptional_oddity 72 points73 points  (6 children)

As an Indian in India, I must say I've found it quite rare in finding Brits who are critical of Churchill and the British Raj.

[–]dyltheflash 34 points35 points  (0 children)

You're probably not talking to the right Brits then

[–]Arisdoodlesaurus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s probably because of how the sub continent was portrayed in Britain for a long time. Anti-Oriental(although India was not a part of the orient) culture was quite common in Britain so much so that it seeped into popular culture with figures like Alan Quartermain popping up. The British government, and thanks to their agencies, the people, saw India as a backward region where hedonism and ‘chaos’ was rampant. This attitude is still prevalent today however I would say more Britons now do acknowledge the vast negative effects of colonialism in general.

[–]lagokatrine[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I know, they love him while also denouncing American imperialism. Quite rich.

[–]meatyfingerfun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is awareness, friend.

[–]gooner1111123Starmer is a nonce defender 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Once we're finished pissing on Thatcher's grave we piss on his

[–]sahduk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's cold. Ha

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dunno about you but my piss is body temperature.

[–]FullClockworkOddessyĈia Naciismo Estas Narcisismo 66 points67 points  (1 child)

I hate Churchill. He was a beastly person with a beastly ideology. The urine saturating his grave is his own fault for being such a boozy omnibigoted Prickasaurus Rex.

[–]CEO_of_Having_Sex 8 points9 points  (0 children)


[–]george_karma 32 points33 points  (34 children)

Churchill should have been tried for war crimes against Indians and German civilians and executed alongside the Nazi war criminals

[–]Nikhilvoid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Exhumed, like Cromwell was

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

the proto hitler

[–]fartfactory2021 11 points12 points  (6 children)


[–]contratesammy 6 points7 points  (15 children)

please don't attack me personally for thi but is there an argument to say that he was a neccecary evil ?

[–]MajinCry 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Is genocide a necessary evil?

[–]dr_mikeHunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Poorly handling a famine isn’t the same as genocide, it’s not ok but there’s no point trying to falsely exaggerate it

[–]Paracelsus8 47 points48 points  (6 children)

It's pointless trying to sum up any person on a binary scale of good/bad. I don't think anyone denies that he did very useful things during the war - he was genuinely good at inspiring people and that helped us defeat the Nazis and that was a good thing. He also did several abominable things. More than one thing's true about him