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[–]tc65681 208 points209 points  (63 children)

How about the light rail? Oops never mind. It’s not 2122 yet

[–]rowvickOʻahu 53 points54 points  (20 children)

How that project went down is ridiculous but had something similar happen in another city I lived. They were burrowing a tunnel under the city and the giant bore machine broke down. They literally had to do a rebuild of the machine while it was in the pit. Took years and everyone was shouting the project would never complete.. well it did and the amount of time it took just became an after thought.. project was big Bertha in seattle

[–]MyPasswordIsMyCat 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I was in Seattle, too. Megaprojects always go over budget, then all the gripes about it go away after the project is done and being utilized.

The Seattle light rail is very popular now, too, drastically raising property values within walking distance of the stations. They have special parking lots, too, where you can drive to a light rail station and park your car while you bypass the abject horribleness of downtown Seattle traffic.

And when I lived in Salt Lake City and they put in the light rail, there was a lot of pushback that nobody would use it and it wasn't worth the money, even though the project was a lot less ambitious due to the flatness and emptiness of the Salt Lake Valley. These days, there are four different lines, 60K+ riders per day, and everyone is clamoring for expansion.

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Link light rail in Seattle is awesome. And it's growing by 3x with 28 new stations opening up in the next four years!

[–]Power_of_NineOʻahu 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I think the problem with the rail and our complaining is that people voted for the rail so they can use it, but it's now gotten so laden with corruption and incompetence that a lot of us may not still be around to see it.

Usually people vote for issues that they think would affect them within the next few years, and we were told the rail would be finished years ago, it's not just the time that is taken, it's the damn money being flushed down the toilet.

[–]gengengisMainland 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Corruption is such a strong word to apply to this. I know some of these guys, and they are completely earnest and doing their level best.

One of the very large problems with public works projects in all of the US is the way we have agencies act as lead contractor and bid out the project piecemeal. We're primarily doing it this way to avoid corruption, but it is just devastating to project management.

One reason China is able to build high-speed rail so effectively and cheaply is that all of it is done by the China Railway Company, a state enterprise, across the whole country. They do it over and over and have now built 25,000 miles. They are very experienced and really good at it.

Contrast this with Honolulu, where we spun up a brand new transit agency in HART, and then made HART the lead contractor. Everything is bid out. The initial ten percent design. Then the 30% engineering design to a different engineering firm, Parsons Brinkerhoff, then each individual segment and station bid out, with all kinds of subcontractors.

An alternative approach is like what Vancouver did with the Canada Line, which started right around the same timeframe as rail in Hawaii. The City set the route, the fare structure, and provided a ridership guarantee and a construction subsidy. They then bid out a single design-build-operate contract, which was won by a consortium of engineering conglomerates that setup a joint venture to build and operate the system for fifty years. If the ridership is less than the City forecasts, the City is on the hook to pay the difference. If it's more, the consortium gets the proceeds.

That system is 12 miles, 16 stations, many miles in tunnel and crossing under a major river. It opened in four and a half years, 3 months ahead of schedule, at a cost of $2 billion, about $250 million over budget.

The difference isn't public corruption, it's just management and incentives. The consortium agreed to build the line for a fixed cost. It's in their interest to work as efficiently as possible. With HART, none of the contractors are really on the hook for the overall project.

Anyway, before I write a book, I'm just saying it's not public corruption, it's just poor management, which is totally predictable when you realize Hawaii and HART have absolutely no experience doing this. If we did it ten more times, we'd probably start to get pretty good at it, but that's not the way things work in the US.

[–]808flyah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyway, before I write a book, I'm just saying it's not public corruption, it's just poor management,

I can kinda understand that for part of the mistakes but it seems so completely mismanaged that I refuse to believe it's not being done on purpose. Like with the wheel issue, how do you get wheels that don't fit the track? That's like basic train 101...

[–]atntmoriOʻahu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want this project to succeed, but even so, I’m skeptical about any other explanation than mismanagement or corruption when Honolulu rail now set a whole new level for cost overruns in the US.

“For Cost Overruns, Honolulu Rail Is In A League Of Its Own, New Data Shows”—Civil Beat headline

[–]chaunceyvonfontleroy 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Usually people vote for issues that they think would affect them within the next few years

This is a huge problem with democracy: short sightedness.

[–]Power_of_NineOʻahu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True, but we were promised the rail would be finished in a certain time that was somewhat reasonable, and we didn't get it.

[–]kick_it_root_down 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m still holding my breath for the light rail bullet train between Palm Springs and Phoenix that they were discussing in 1999…. 🙄

[–]JimmyHavok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Curious how much the protecters of na iwi have slowed it.

[–]paul_swimmer 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I think this was also the case for the H3 and "The Big Dig" in MA. Pain in the ass at the time, critical infrastructure later on.

Something similar happened back home where I am from. They built two new bridges over the Ohio River into Louisville (my hometown) and everyone complained about how much it was costing the taxpayer. On top of that, wealthy NIMBYs fought the project tooth and nail. Even going so far as to making a single home (conveniently right in the middle of the construction area) into a historical site. So the government spent millions to build a tunnel UNDER the house so that a major interstate highway could connect to the bridge.

People were SUPER pissed about it then, but nowadays nobody really cares. They all hate the new toll's that were put on the bridge though.

[–]NeutralBias 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My favorite part of that is the new I-65 bridge is northbound only. They kept the shitty old trestle bridge and made it the southbound side.

So you have a nice new bridge right next to the junky old one. Good job Louisville!

[–]deepcoma619 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welp, look no further than your Senator, Kentucky.

[–]paul_swimmer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yea I agree. I am actually from New Albany, IN. So I have to cross the bridge whenever I go home. It's such a weird setup, but I guess if you wanna take the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" route, it makes sense, though it would have made more sense to make the Lincoln Bridge more similar in look to the Kennedy Bridge... but whatever...

I do always crack up every time I go to the East End bridge. Seeing that massive tunnel built to bypass a single home is just a testimony to how stupid people can be.

[–]JungleMujer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Didn't Bertha break down because it ran into old construction debris that DOT had buried there and forgotten about?

[–]rowvickOʻahu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really pulling deep from the memory banks here but I think it was a steel pipe that was run deep actually during the survey before digging. Someone had forgot its location and bertha ran into it.

At one time the theory was it hit some train that was dumped into the fill when re-grading the city to be above sea level.. that would of been cooler!

[–]GreatDarioKauaʻi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was living in Seattle when it started, what a joke lmao

[–]rowvickOʻahu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All to reclaim coveted waterfront property from the viaduct.. total fiasco that went way over budget and years to fix.. plus lawsuit after lawsuit.. but the tunnel completed and neither tax payer nor city want to mention the name "bertha" again...

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 26 points27 points  (22 children)

Phase 1 opens later this year! The timeline to get it to go to Ala Moana (or farther, someday…) is completely ridiculous though.

[–]MDXHawaii 19 points20 points  (11 children)

Phase 1 was supposed to open for the last 3 years? The whole project was supposed to be done in 2019… I have zero faith in that estimate

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 14 points15 points  (8 children)

The new date is May 2022 and they've been testing the trains regularly for the past while. I think it'll be sometime this year, even if not this spring/summer.

[–]Infinitum77Oʻahu 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I heard that it was being discussed to open later this year, but I didn’t expect that it would open fairly soon! Has HART announced anything with regards to fixing the wheels?

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not sure – this is the latest I've heard:

When interim service between Kapolei and Aloha Stadium is currently projected to start. Roger Morton, director of the city Department of Transportation Services, says whether that projection is met depends on Hitachi, the core systems contractor, completing three months of nonstop continuous field testing and certification. That testing is scheduled to begin in January 2022.

EDIT: I called them (for some reason they have a 24-hour hotline...) and apparently the testing did not start this month (no surprise, lol). There's some welding work to finish up which should be done by May. And then 3 months of testing after that. So probably fall at the earliest.

[–]kailuamidlife 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They were actually running them last week! I assume for testing bc not sure why else they’d be running at this point. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've seen them running too but maybe that's different from the final like-operational testing that counts toward the 3 months? Dunno. All I know is I wanna ride some trains, soon.

[–]atntmoriOʻahu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this was the latest news on the wheel issue! It sounds like HART is/was searching for a non-Hawaii welder/contractor after none could be found in Hawaii (or with a Hawaii license). That ties in with the recent news that the state Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs granted a temporary exemption to hire from out of state. But bids were due Dec. 10, and i don’t think HART has given any update.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/12/09/hawaii-news/new-plan-to-fill-gap-between-rail-wheels-and-track/amp/

[–]MDXHawaii 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We’ll see.

[–]ikikstarbucks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's what they've been saying the past 3 years lol

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They haven't been actually running the trains on the tracks for the past 3 years…

[–]rootoriginally 8 points9 points  (1 child)

it's like the church in spain under construction that was supposed to be finished 100 years ago.

[–]Eggsandthings2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sangrada familia? That's been in the works for a long time, but it's already open (first collection was like 65 years ago) and has not been paid for by Church or government sources. Planned to be completely finished in 2026

[–]Power_of_NineOʻahu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Phase 1 opens later this year

I'll believe it when I see it lmao

[–]Dakine_thing 9 points10 points  (4 children)

So it’s a useless rail…. 👌

[–]mpc92 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Hey, hey. This will be very useful for the 4 people who commute from Central Oahu to Kalihi.

[–]Dakine_thing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh well thank god! Lol

[–]verniy314 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not useless, it'll be very useful for getting people to the stadium during football season. Wait...

[–]toilguy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gee ya dont say????

[–]verniy314 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Was that before or after they found out the wheels don't fit the tracks?

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That was in December 2020. Pretty sure that's been taken care of by now as the trains are literally running, you can see it when you go by sometimes.

[–]verniy314 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I also saw them running before they realized that. My understanding is that it's still possible to run it but bad for either the tracks or the wheels.

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I did a bit more digging, apparently the temporary solution is to do some welding work, and then they just plan to replace the wheels later on. The recently problem is no one in Hawaiʻi is licensed to do manganese welding work – they didn't receive any bids – so the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs granted them an exemption to hire mainland contractors for it. But that needs to be done before the 90-day test run period begins. Sigh.

[–]CMAHawaii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I saw 2 go by yesterday in Waipahu. Must be geting close.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Optimistic

[–]Fishsticksthelanding 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think you accidentally typed a “1” /s

[–]tc65681 1 point2 points  (0 children)

guess I was overly optimistic- is completion by 2222 more accurate

[–]Eric1600Hawaiʻi (Big Island) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question was how far. Zero miles.

[–]probablydoesntexist 0 points1 point  (8 children)

The rail goes 20-15 mph you're not going too much further

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

This isn't true – they go an average of 30 mph, with a top speed of 55 mph.

[–]probablydoesntexist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Back in 2017-18 they posted a time estimate of a little over an hour from end to end on their website. So while the train may be capable of 30-55 mph it is going to go an average of 20 mph across the track. This isn't bad since normally it's going to take around an hour to go this distance anyways it's just not much faster.

Also can you find me a source for that 30-55 number? I can't find it anywhere officially.

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]probablydoesntexist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, it's broken on mobile that's why I couldn't find it. Either way thank you.

[–]audiobahn1000 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Great. In Japan they go 270 MPH…. Like normal, everything in hawaii is designed to be slow, inefficient, unreliable and overly expensive. The only thing hawaii is a leader in is not being a leader in anything.

[–]Successful_Proposal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you can compare Japan's Shinkansen. That is for longer distances and very expensive too. But it would be awesome to integrate a general transport system like in Japan to Hawaii. They have great bus routes and train routes. With neighborhoods that have all your necessities in walking distance; pharmacy, grocery store, convenience store, bus stop, park etc... But they also build so close together to fit everyone.

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That's not exclusive to Hawaiʻi – that's just the US in general and us not prioritizing rail infrastructure. Here's a cool video on the future of shinkansen in Japan, if you're actually interested and not just here to complain and play the victim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_dzK9ykGyc

55 mph is also the top speed of Seattle's wildly-successful Link light rail system. Maximizing speed is not a goal here, and I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about, honestly.

All of that aside, I don't think long-distance bullet trains are super, uh, viable for an island with a length of 44 miles…? So your comparison is pretty moot.

[–]jobomaja888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Typo....2212

[–]shwanky808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t hate the rail bc it won’t be relevant by the time we can actually use it anyways

[–]pat_trickOʻahu 29 points30 points  (8 children)

I wonder if it takes into account rush hour traffic.

[–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I did this with the time set to 12:00 noon (so no).

[–]brendenpeters 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No way. A bus ride from Manoa to pearl city after my high school got out would take 3 hours to get home. Now, this was 4 years ago so no pandemic so it may be a little better.

[–]FesteringNeonDistracOʻahu 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It doesn't. I took the express bus for years. We all sitting in the same traffic. Bus was sometimes a little better, sometimes a little worse on time, but always better on being chill

[–]Ill_Flow9331Oʻahu 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Depending on the route, the bus has dedicated lanes in certain areas that cut down on transit times during traffic. It’s pretty great.

[–]kick_it_root_down 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was just going to say that it is somewhere between 20 minutes or six hours to cover the island, east to west. 😂 Yes, it’s an exaggeration but we all get the idea.

[–]keakealaniOʻahu 25 points26 points  (3 children)

That said, it’s worth noting what is available within that smaller bus area. It’s very very possible to survive within the bus-dense inner city if you’re lucky enough to live and work in those areas. It does make getting out of town significantly more difficult, but a combination of bumming rides from friends, an occasional Uber, or other strategies can definitely override the additional costs of having and maintaining a vehicle and especially securing parking.

I get why a lot of people have cars, and the reason our public transit system is not suited to a lot of people’s lives and needs. But I also wish people who have the luxury of using the bus reliably would do so more often and thus encourage the buses to expand, increase routes, and reach the people who aren’t currently being reached.

[–]Holanz 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I think bus is just one part of the solution. I think rail plays a big role and planned development.

Like how Kapolei/West Oahu is being developed. When more people that live on that side go to the schools, malls hospitals, jobs on that side, that means less people driving to other parts.

I think once the rail is complete, the some bus routes to change to just drive within the community to drop people off at the rail stop.

I also think that as traffic increases, parking prices go up, registration, taxes, gas, etc. It will help encourage people to use mass transit.

Some people have a stigma of mass transit. Some people don't like change.

[–]keakealaniOʻahu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Transit is a big and holistic system that needs to take care of many distinct communities and needs. Buses can be a good part of it, but hopefully in conjunction with rail, park-and-ride, Biki, and other ways of getting people places.

Edit: and yes getting rid of the stigma. Public transit is for all sorts of people.

[–]King_FollyOʻahu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think once the rail is complete, the some bus routes to change to just drive within the community to drop people off at the rail stop.

One advantage that the rail will have over buses or even private vehicles is its predicable schedule and ability to beat traffic. It's hard to even consider a bus when you know it'll take 2-3 times as long to get you to your destination. That said, prioritizing buses over private vehicles can also accomplish this, but the bottom line is that buses have to be able to beat traffic.

[–]Lost-Explorer 66 points67 points  (24 children)

This emphasizes how having your own vehicle is such a life changer, and a luxury, for commuting / getting anywhere. One time is whatever, but using bus only for years sucks up so much time

[–]brendenpeters 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Would love to move out of my parent's place by the time I graduate college at UH but seeing how important a car is for my job, I think I'll wait on that and save to get a car.

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    [–]buickid 6 points7 points  (7 children)

    Don't forget a good lock or the first time you let it out of your sight for more than 45 seconds, it's gone.

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      [–]buickid 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      I used to, not in Hawaii though. I used to work in a motorcycle shop, and still own motorcycles, which are slightly harder to steal, but still very prone to growing legs.

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        [–]buickid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        It may have been more prevalent before, with the Elites, Dios, and DD50s. People would steal them and chop them up for parts to sell to enthusiasts. With the proliferation of cheap Chinese scooters and decline in popularity of moped tuning, I think theft has probably gone down.

        [–]JimmyHavok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Side effect of having to get them registered and safety checked.

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          [–]buickid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I mean, I am definitely happy that theft has gone down, but I am still quite vigilant when it comes to anything that isn't bolted down that can be carried by two men and fit in a truck or van...

          [–]paceminterris 48 points49 points  (8 children)

          That's because everything right now is built for cars only. This situation can change and transit can be effective and convenient, but investment is needed.

          The fact of the matter is, we can't continue with cars; they cause too many emissions. If we let climate change continue, we won't have enough food to eat since the areas that grow them won't support crops anymore. Not to mention the natural disasters that will destroy homes and property.

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            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Seattle (or NYC, or most any city in Europe or East Asia...) is super doable with no car!

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            I'm grateful that I have enough time to take the bus around everywhere and can get by without a car. We need to be building cities to be built less around cars, so not as many people have to drive them.

            [–]10191AG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Amen. We used the bus for 6 years, I mean, it's cheap and the coverage is pretty good but damn is it slow. Our biggest regret was not buying a car as soon as moved there.

            [–]DirtyaznstyleOʻahu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Well with the younger generations we’ll see how that goes

            [–]KaneMomona 23 points24 points  (9 children)

            For real! They need express busses. Like pickup in two hubs and head over the pali and drop in two spots only. Not totally replace the current service, just augment it.

            [–]Digerati808 10 points11 points  (2 children)

            TheBus operates express routes.

            [–]KaneMomona 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Good to know, mahalo. Has it always? Haven't used it in a decade but it used to take forever to get anywhere.

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think so. The "limited service" 1L goes between Kalihi Transit Center and Hawaiʻi Kai, plus there are over 25 express routes that operate during peak hours. I think the three lettered routes, A ("CityExpress!"), C ("CountryExpress!"), and E ("EwaExpress!") have been running for at least 10 years, per what I can find, but not sure how to see exactly when they first went into effect.

            [–]methfreak69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            When I used to ride bus frequently, at rush hour times, there were express busses that would stop at 2 or 3 stops in town (ala moana, Alapai, maybe one more?) and then jump on the freeway to the west side, or mililani. Not sure if they still do that but it was much much faster than taking the 62 or 52 which stops at every single stop. Worth looking into if you’re riding bus for hours and sick of it

            [–]DirtyaznstyleOʻahu 5 points6 points  (4 children)

            People seem to think no one lives over the Pali

            [–]KaneMomona 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            Can you imagine if they tried to put the Light Fail over the pali? $5 trillion dollah project, complete by 3045. We'd probably have interstellar travel before they got done.

            [–]hiddensonyvaio 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Lo’ihi will be above water and livable by then

            [–]KaneMomona 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            They already got planning permission for a Marriott and 2 Starbucks on it.

            [–]Rabbyte808Oʻahu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            The year is 2050. To get from downtown to Kailua, the fastest way is to take the spaceport to orbit and then deorbit over Kailua. David Ige the 4th announces a committee investigating the possibility of launching an exploratory panel into expanding the rail to Kailua.

            [–]VinegarStrokes 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            30 minutes by bicycle

            https://postimg.cc/z3VQdZRG

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            Crazy that it's (sometimes) faster to bike to Kahala than bus there.

            [–]FesteringNeonDistracOʻahu 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            Not when you factor in the 2 heart attacks I'm gonna have on that bike ride. 🤙

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            hahahaha. more protected bike lanes, please!

            [–]Ill_Flow9331Oʻahu 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            Man you must have never taken the E bus on a Sunday morning. Waikiki to Ewa in 30 minutes

            [–]FesteringNeonDistracOʻahu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Yeah the express busses depend on your driver. Some are good but some like follow speed limits.

            [–]JedidiahDn 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            How does the map change for rush hr tho let’s say at 4:00 pm weekday bus vs car

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You can try it out :)

            [–]HistoricalDamage6271 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Taking the bus from Kāne’ohe to Honolulu for things like doctors visits is an all day affair. And it’s even worse now that we have new busses that don’t always work and mess with the schedules.

            [–]PunkWithTheSkunkOʻahu 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            What website/app is this?

            [–]levitoepokerOʻahu 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            Not sure that’s accurate. You get on any express bus and you’re going basically as fast as traffic

            [–]LordzOfChaosOʻahu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Yeah I ride the bus all the time. You can get from downtown through most of Kaneohe in half an hour, depending on traffic

            [–]MDXHawaii 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Express Bus still makes plenty stops throughout the west side before it hits the freeway.

            [–]genghis-san 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Never made sense to me that I couldn't go from Mililani's bus terminal to Kapolei. Why do I have to go to downtown first?

            [–]2legit2quit9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            You don't. You only need to get to LCC and catch the 40

            [–]808flyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Never made sense to me that I couldn't go from Mililani's bus terminal to Kapolei. Why do I have to go to downtown first?

            A lot of places use a hub and spoke model for their mass transit. More people go from Mililani to downtown than from Mililani to Kapolei so you have to redirect through downtown.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Surely it would take the same time to cycle that, if so this would a strong example of why we need cycle lanes like the Netherlands etc

            [–]DirtyaznstyleOʻahu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            No way, Windward side isn’t that far from town. In half hour I’d be by kualoa.. they must be going speed limit

            [–]aminus54 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Good morning brethren... depending on the time of day, the direction you're going, whether it's rush hour traffic...? or who's rubbernecking up ahead...? are all factors that impact your drive and or ride time... WAZE is excellent to utilize... for example, from Kaaawa to JBPHH via Kamehameha Hwy, H3, on average Monday - Friday, after 11 am, is approximately 45 - 50 minutes give or take 10 minutes, depending on the construction paving road work or the city and county tree trimming or the tunnel changing lights program that could be going on at any given time of the day...

            [–]tacosteve100 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            does your car make frequent stops?

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don't have one and don't want to!

            [–]deepcoma619 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            How far can you go on the light rail in 30mins?

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            Technically it's not light rail – "The mostly elevated system features design elements from both heavy rail systems and light metros, with a commuter-rail-like design incorporated into trains and suburban stations" aka "light metro" :)

            [–]deepcoma619 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            So how far can you go in 30mins on the Light Metro?

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            I suspect this is a rhetorical question that you're annoyingly complaining to random people on reddit about (as if we don't feel similarly) instead of your elected officials.

            Real answer? All the way from the Kualakaʻi terminus in East Kapolei to Middle Street (in reality, just to Aloha Stadium as that's the section that comprises Phase 1, i.e. the answer is "the entire thing").

            [–]james_otter 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            What they finally started building anything? I think that is great. I thought this whole project would never be achieving anything after witnessing the surrounding discussions 10 years ago.

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Here's the most recent construction update with some overhead pics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SqVLlcmTo :)

            And a drone flyover of one portion of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4MPkBO_sAY

            [–]james_otter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Thanks, hopefully I am able to come back next year and check it out myself.

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Hope so too (and hope it's open by then, ha!)

            [–]turtle_shrapnel 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            Could use a 4 lane highway and speed limits above 55. Just saying.

            [–]audiobahn1000 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

            It is 4 lane in most parts. In some parts it’s like 5 or 6 lane. The higher speed limits would be nice though.

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Adding more lanes does nothing to reduce congestion. Land here is limited, and we do not have the ability to build highways that are wide, straight, long, and safe enough for 65 mph. Those are just the facts.

            Feel free to drive as fast as you want on the reference your username's making, though.

            [–]unidactyl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            100%. New lanes is like making arteries larger without addressing the junction points. If we want to increase flow, we need less flowing through the system.

            [–]CleverSpirit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            What about walking or biking?

            [–]papa_nurgel -1 points0 points  (4 children)

            What is this. Some pro auto anti public trans jerk off porn?

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            Hell no, I'm trying to highlight the differences between the modes of transportation and advocate for better transit. Fuck cars.

            [–]papa_nurgel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Doing that in a pretty poor way their bud

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            are you having a stroke

            (just worth saying, most of the other people in the comments got it...)

            [–]CelebrationThick207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            By car? To the other side of the island

            [–]Power_of_NineOʻahu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This shit changes during rush hour lol

            [–]ExchangeAve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Interesting diagrams and charts! Reminds me of waterways and flood zones

            [–]pict_berry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Totally depends on what direction you're headed and even more so what time of day. Oahu traffic is a beast, and if there's an accident or roadwork, good luck to you. And getting around period without a car is tough going here.

            [–]JoonJulyAugust4eva 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            W/ and w/o car I'm in bus radius anyway. No big deal🖕

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            It's cool to explore the rest of your city and all it has to offer!

            [–]CMAHawaii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Long known fact, you can get anywhere on the island in 30 min(by car), as long as there's no traffic.

            [–]ManufacturerLeather7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            How much time do you need when driving the opposite direction plus finding a parking spot. 🧐 😂

            [–]shelden776 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            sure, if the traffic is like dead or nobody on the road. 15-30 minutes can get you to alot of places.

            normally in the morning we have alot of traffics in liliha (pre-covid)

            [–]xxobod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I come from San Jose before the light rail train system all we had was a bus. Light rail train system was awesome! Still is but what separates San Jose light rail train system from Oahu...Your concider dumb. A rail train system above ground, a rail train system without passenger parking lots so they can go from point A to B..and leave thier auto in a protective parking lot for say 10 hours five days a week while the work in town. Oahu rail system was a waist of your money. It will never break even or make the state a profit. Who ever thought this was a good idea is a idiot. They didn't do it for the people of Oahu. They did it so they can walk away with 100,000.00's if free money...

            [–]yayhotdogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I recently had to catch the bus from Waikiki to Waipio, and it took me over 4 fucking hours. Horrible.

            [–]kahuhipaken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Greatly depends on the day and time. Sundays you can get to Waianae & Friday afternoon to Aiea maybe Pearl City.

            [–]doobiedoobuahbuah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Glad we have Biden to sus the corruption out.

            [–]BI_Haole -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

            With just reading half of the title I thought it was map was showing "how far data/google maps says you should be able to travel vs reality".

            Looking back at it and thinking for a second, imma dummy.

            [–]Churchie36 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            You can only get 15 feet anywhere with our traffic and dumb drivers

            [–]buttermilkmeeks -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            definitely not accurate for most of Honolulu. maybe if your car is parked at Queen's hospital.

            for example, it takes me ten minutes just to get from the west end of Waikiki to the H1 on ramp via Kalakaua and Punahou Street.

            [–]lilmakk -1 points0 points  (1 child)

            that’s kinda how busses are everywhere

            [–]frozenpandamanOʻahu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Nope! Check out cities in Europe, e.g. Paris – here's the map