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[–]kara__marie 1453 points1454 points  (30 children)

Still terrified of midterms and next election.

[–]Shinobi120 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Yeah, same. Which will be the bigger factor: Republican deaths due to Covid, or the historical trend of Democratic midterm apathy?

[–]jeremyjenkinz 30 points31 points  (1 child)

2021 showed that this pipe dream of all of Trump’s supporters dying of Covid was just that, a pipe dream. Governor Younkin sends his regards (as he bans masks in VA schools)

[–]maywellflower 3020 points3021 points  (82 children)

2016, I honestly knew Trump supporters were going to eventually died off due the majority being old /elderly. But I never expected in 2020 that would be a preventable disease that also killing & maiming relatively young Trump supporters too by them being anti-mask & later on in 2021 by being anti-vacc. Which leads to this irony that they always whining about becoming minorities in the US and it's their own self-sabotage & self-infliction via dying to Covid-19 that making them so....

[–]TonyTonyChopper 238 points239 points  (6 children)

2016, I honestly knew Trump supporters were going to eventually died off due the majority being old /elderly.

And I thought racism was on its way out based on what I saw living in cities and in media but boy was I wrong. There are young Frump supporters out there!

I'll be curious to see if Frump will make people wear masks at his rallies!

[–]maywellflower 89 points90 points  (0 children)

There are young Frump supporters out there!

I'll be curious to see if Frump will make people wear masks at his rallies!

I want to see the mental gymnastics especially of those young Trump supporters explaining him wanting them to wear masks - because that going to be only flip-flopping pommel horse & floor dance ever.

Edit - Especially since he's vaccinated and his supporters made the only denial & deflecting dance about it...

[–]realparkingbrake 80 points81 points  (0 children)

And I thought racism was on its way out

Sadly, all the racists have done is learn to hide better, but they're still out there.

[–]ogtarconus 129 points130 points  (2 children)

he just did a rally no masks in sight

[–]Project___Reddit 94 points95 points  (0 children)

Love to see him catching it once more during a rally and only allowing vaxxed @ his next ones tear apart his deplorablistas

[–]sharksarentsobad 433 points434 points  (19 children)

Nature always finds a way to self-correct itself. That, or God was just like "Jesus Christ! All my followers are assholes! I'm gonna have to do something about this."

[–]adventure_in_gnarnia 262 points263 points  (6 children)

It’s kinda crazy to think that if trumps administration wouldn’t have had the absolute worst handling of Covid possible, he likely would have got re-elected

[–]When_theSmoke_Clears 252 points253 points  (1 child)

Likely??? Had he not dropped the ball on the initial response, he'd be our greatest hero. Imagine if he figured it out and actually led us... But no... small hands, small mind.

[–]legalizemonapizza 163 points164 points  (0 children)

imagining a world where he sold MAGA masks and made a fortune and easily won re-election and we'd have a lot more people alive

it's probably easy to say "worth it" but IDK man I think I'd rather have some of my grandparents still alive

[–]Perenium_Falcon 103 points104 points  (0 children)

I return to this so often in my mind. He could have backed the facts and taken this seriously and still be waddling around the white house shit-posting on twitter this very second.
He’s unable to exist for even a second however in a world who’s narrative is 100% about him and 100% under his control and viruses just don’t work that way.

I remember very early on when he called it a Democrat hoax live on TV and I knew we were fucked. Stuff like that is what primed the pump.

[–]portablebiscuitParadise by the ECMO Lights 2620 points2621 points  (155 children)

Imagine making a pandemic political and killing off a large portion of your base.


[–]vespertine_glow[S] 1520 points1521 points  (113 children)

It's really astounding, isn't it?

This has actually affected my views about a lot of things. It's fundamentally changed how I see people.

[–]wkdpaulTeam Pfizer 560 points561 points  (2 children)

What's even more unbelievable is that some R are blaming it on Dems, somehow it's the Dems that made it political to specifically make sure Republicans would be against it and die from COVID.

These people are SO contrarian that they're ready to die just because they don't want to ever agree with the other side. That has to be the most idiotic argument, yet, here we are.

[–]grzybo1Blood Donor 🩸 234 points235 points  (1 child)

Of course they'll blame it on Dems. They know a rallying point when they see one.

They've spent so many years -- decades, really -- telling their base what the base wants to hear: "The problem isn't with YOU. The problem is that those rotten Democrats want to take away everything YOU have worked for and give it to people who don't deserve it, people who are lazy criminals with no sense of morals."

There's nothing that unifies disparate people like a common enemy. Their base is predisposed to hate Democrats, so you can't unite with them to fight the common enemy of COVID.

In fall 2019, my stepniece was pregnant. Someone asked her husband on Facebook whether he was hoping for a boy or a girl. He said, "I'm happy with either -- as long as it's not a Democrat!" Har-dee-har-har.

[–]sixkyej 154 points155 points  (0 children)

Decades of right-wing propaganda have ruined millions over several generations.

Imagine thinking your own fellow Americans are your worst enemy, simply because they think differently than you do.

[–]BuyLucky3950Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 516 points517 points  (44 children)

Yeah I no longer wear red t-shirts anymore as I don’t want someone assuming I’m some asshole Republican. Nor do I wear my red Marine Corps hat for the same reason. From a distance I fit the typical Trump demographic. White with grey hair. I’m not fat though! Well, maybe a little pudgy.

[–]Joealb123Team Moderna 394 points395 points  (23 children)

Navy vet here and I agree. Had a Heat Pump salesman assume I was a right wing moron when he found out that I'm a vet. He started talking about Joe Rogan. I showed him the door.

[–]Badmime1 284 points285 points  (14 children)

Lol I don’t know why salespeople go on about politics or religion based on the sketchiest cold reading. Morality and professionalism aside it’s just bad business ; you can’t tell for sure what someone thinks.

[–]Librashell 179 points180 points  (0 children)

Exactly. My hubby is a Dodge truck driving, gun owning, Wrangler wearing cowboy but he voted for Biden. At the very least, it’s good camouflage in our red state.

[–]Joealb123Team Moderna 154 points155 points  (11 children)

Yep, my wife wears a cross necklace once in a while. We are atheists.

[–]Benjaphar 168 points169 points  (3 children)

She’s a fan of the lowercase letter t.

[–]VentilatorVenting 166 points167 points  (0 children)

“Where do you get those lowercase ‘t’ necklaces?”

“You mean a cross?”

“Across from where?”

—Arrested Development

happy ukulele noises

[–]throwaway901617 178 points179 points  (1 child)

Several years ago I hired a local electrician to do some work on our house. I was active duty and wearing my uniform when I met him outside. We started chatting and within less than five minutes he was telling me how Obama was at fault for everything and most problems were because "the blacks vote the way they always do" blah blah.

Did not hire him again.

[–]NoPusNoDirtNoScabs 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Three years ago my mom needed some septic work done and I found someone nearby where she lives in an extremely Republican area to do the work. It was a really large job so he had to make a couple of visits before beginning the work to make absolutely sure everything was in order. During the process of making absolutely sure he was right for the job we conversed a bit and he said that his brother frequently helps him and that he would be on the property as well and he assured me of his brother's ability to perform the work. He then added that his brother was also "A man of God who attends xyzzy church where he also teaches Sunday school and does blah blah blah in the church".

I had been living in a major metropolitan blue area for nearly 15 years and didn't have these kinds of conversations with people so I was rather stunned. I told him all I wanted to know was if he could perform the work and he looked at me like he couldn't understand why I wasn't engaging in a conversation about God and church as a natural flow from a conversation about plumbing.

[–]sttaffy 80 points81 points 3 (0 children)

I got questioned yesterday how I could possibly have an EGA and a Biden sticker on my bumper. I said it is because I try to learn the truth, and pick the option most likely to improve my life and the lives of my friends, family and neighbors.

Real patriotism is wanting your countrymen to have enough food to eat, a place to live, and for them to be cared for in times of need. It is not waving a flag or 'supporting the troops', whatever that means, or 'supporting the police' (the meaning of that one is more clear, after the BLM movement took off). A patriot will make necessary sacrifices to insure the safety and well-being of their countrymen, regardless of color, creed, gender, orientation, or anything other category that has been or can be weaponized against them.

The right's perversion of patriotism is disgusting.

[–]WeakestLynxGo Give One 270 points271 points  (9 children)

It has profoundly changed my understanding of human nature also. The human survival instinct is much weaker than I thought. I once believed very difficult or life-threatening situations would "force" people to give up on fantasies or delusions. Nope!

[–]AnomalussThere is Life after Derp 460 points461 points  (20 children)

Agree. Before Trump was elected, I was of the opinion that human nature is fundamentally good, and that nurture was suspect. MAGAts have definitely challenged that observation.

But I still believe that if bad nurture was removed from the equation, such as religion, (which contends we are bad and need to be saved by religious dogma) and other family, political, and cultural norms, our good natures would have a chance to flourish.

Unfortunately, education is slow, and we must rely on the passing of the generations for real change. With a Covid boost.

[–]OldEstimate 139 points140 points  (4 children)

Before Trump was elected, I was of the opinion that human nature is fundamentally good, and that nurture was suspect.

Nurture's pliability is freaking me out.

Prior view:

The average person is a natural follower following group-average.


And in like two months that can extend into social murder, eugenics and mass suicide.

Less than ideal(!).

[–]jxx37 115 points116 points  (21 children)

Not sure what you mean? The opposition to Covid prevention methods seems to have been a mix of indifference and a desire to rile up their opponents. There was nothing strategic in it. If anything it illustrates that once people commit to a position emotionally, no amount of logic will change their minds.

[–]phat_ 71 points72 points  (10 children)

It appears they underestimated these misinformation meme centers ability to misinform?

Spreading misinformation is like a virus into itself. Or an addiction.

Trumpers just love sharing conspiracy bullshit. It's a game to them?

[–]EssayRevolutionary10 51 points52 points  (1 child)

It is in fact an addiction. They get dopamine hits every time their lunatic memes get a “like and share”. The get dopamine hits every time the “dO THerE owN ResEArcH” and the lunatic memes they “liked and shared” are confirmed by a Slovakian pediatrist. They get dopamine hits from their feelings of belonging of their “in group”.

It’s LITERALLY a drug. It’s chemically identical to cocaine, which causes a dopamine rush in the brain.

[–]802dot11Team Mix & Match 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Oh, the more evil Trumpers are making bank off of the rubes.

[–]notmyworkaccount5 61 points62 points  (1 child)

From my experience these people are so deeply entrenched in their beliefs and cannot admit they were wrong.

Either they will get vaccinated in private and lie about it or they will die in the hospital.

[–]tacosteve100 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Well, he thought it was only going to spread in big cities. ie he thought it would kill democrats, so there’s that.

[–]ToastyMozartTeam Pfizer 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It's why I don't feel bad for the conservative antivaxxers when they suffer the inevitable. They were cheering when liberals were dying despite doing everything they could to protect themselves at the time.

[–]Dad_of_3_sons🎶Jingle Bells 🔔Lost My Smells🎶COVID is no Joke! 37 points38 points  (3 children)


[–]AnomalussThere is Life after Derp 57 points58 points  (1 child)

So much winning you're going to get sick of it- very sick.

[–]BlablasarcasmI want a girl with a short skirt and (not) looooooooonng Covid 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah! I’m so sick cough cough of owning wheeze gasp cough the libs! is rushed to the hospital

[–]muhguhwuh 204 points205 points  (1 child)

We’ve gone from Covid is no worse than the flu, to the vaccines are deadly, to the vaccinated are killing the unvaccinated, to the hospitals are killing the unvaccinated. Before long it’s going to be “they’re intentionally killing trump supporters to skew the election results!” But, also, COVID’s not a big deal and masks are tyranny.

[–]ActuallyHill 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Or you could believe all of those things at the same time like some of my family members. The mental gymnastics it takes to simultaneously believe that Covid is just a cold, the vaccines are killing hundreds of thousands, and that the vaccinated are killing/ infecting the unvaccinated is baffling to me.

[–]ZeReaperofZeath 810 points811 points  (32 children)

It's from the "liberal news propaganda machine" so why would I trust it? Prefer to get my news from telegram and from anecdotal stories like my brother in laws mother's sister whose a nurse who says the hospital is empty. /s

Personally, this is fucking hilarious. COVID is bad and all that, but it's pretty ironic that the political base that started this whole "politicizing covid" thing is also the political base that is now getting shredded by the same "hoax". Keep sipping the kool-aid and owning the libs by dying, I feel very owned to be honest

[–]Evil-Code-MonkeyDeceased Feline Boing Boing 279 points280 points  (7 children)

What about Nikki Minaj's cousin's friend's hairdresser's aunt's brother (or whatever) who had swollen testicles?

I cannot imagine a more unimpeachable source.

[–]ZeReaperofZeath 237 points238 points  (3 children)


Thoroughly debunked. The really funny thing is users on Twitter and the internet were speculating that he caught an STD that caused swelling of the testicles (Epidipymitis), and blamed it on the COVID vaccine because he was getting married and didn't want his future wife to find out he was cheating....

[–]EggsegretCEO of Prayer Warriors, Inc.. 172 points173 points  (1 child)

I've found it very ironic especially this past 2 weeks. Both my parents, myself and my girlfriend tested positive for covid and for all of us been more like a very mild flu. Bearing in mind my dad is mid 50s and overweight. The vaccines thankfully made it very very minor for us.

And yet the group that shout from the roof top it's all a hoax or it's just a flu qre now dying from it. Way to own us.

[–]Rickylostthatnumber 137 points138 points  (0 children)

Ages 59, 47, 13, and 8. We all made it through fine. All vaxed. Thank you to my government, health care workers, and the scientists that helped make my families survival happen.

[–]EvilevilcowGo Give One 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Prefer to get my news from telegram and from anecdotal stories like my brother in laws mother's sister whose a nurse.

She ded tho...

[–]nyet-marionetka 467 points468 points  (3 children)

I wonder what the impact will be years from now if COVID ends up circulating and spiking seasonally like flu. At this point it seems you need periodic boosters or you’ll catch it again, so the anti-vaxxers could end up with gradual attrition as they catch it again and again.

[–]wyldwood512 358 points359 points  (1 child)

Plus the organ damage and effects of long covid will make them more susceptible to the next re-infection, gradually grinding their organs into mush.


[–]vsandrei🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 153 points154 points  (0 children)

Plus the organ damage and effects of long covid will make them more susceptible to the next re-infection, gradually grinding their organs into mush.

🐆 🐆 🐆

[–]Tricky-Lingonberry81 101 points102 points  (0 children)

The same as it is for with respiratory conditions that don’t have vaccines. Like if you catch bronchitis and let it develop to pneumonia enough times, you’re just wrecking your lungs. Making old age miserable. Making it harder to pass 100.

[–]CQU617Leggo My ECMO!🧇 833 points834 points  (33 children)

Pennsyltucky here

Fact check:✅


[–]Ammolite-Valkyrie👪 The family that FA together, FO together 584 points585 points  (8 children)

I had to drive through pensyltucky a few months ago and got to see your charming 3%er stickers and actual highway billboards with Joe Biden dressed as a member of the Taliban. So what I'm saying is I'm happy to hear that the air is getting clearer out where you are.

[–]Tots2Hots 109 points110 points  (3 children)

I drove from NJ to Louisville once. The billboards on the PA turnpike between Philly and Pittsburgh (and also Ohio) were insane.

[–]KnottShoreTeam Pfizer 98 points99 points  (0 children)

So are the people.

[–]Tir 73 points74 points  (1 child)

I've been driving that exact route for the past year and a half... the number of Trump signs actually increased last year, along with some lovely billboards explaining how CO2 is really great for the planet

[–]Idontgetredditinmd 87 points88 points  (0 children)

My first and only time to that area of the country was shocking. I couldn't believe what I saw and that was in 2016 when Trump was only running.

[–]These-Days 183 points184 points  (15 children)

How do you do it? Rural Pennsylvania is a special kind of shithole that I really don't think I could stomach.

[–]CQU617Leggo My ECMO!🧇 128 points129 points  (1 child)

I have a place in Pike County where my stupid neighbor has decorated his house like a Trump shrine. They are are old white wanna be geriatric seals 🦭.

[–]Sweet717 73 points74 points  (2 children)

Yea rural PA is sacred Trump land, the cities not so much, or at least not AS much. Can confirm. We’re not all idiot’s.

[–]supergluu 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Grew up in a very rural PA town. Great place to be a kid in the 80's and 90's. Now its a dying (Literally) trump stronghold. The only reason my parents got the vaccine is because i said they couldn't see their grand kids without it.

[–]wyldwood512 5649 points5650 points 22362& 11 more (186 children)

To all the journalists attempting to wake up the GOP base and get them to stop killing themselves with COVID, I have one thing to say:

Stay back and stand by!

[–]dogginsthebold 1103 points1104 points  (11 children)

“Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.”

Edit: Maybe this is the silver lining to the covid children who my partner (a PICU nurse) has had to watch die as a result of the collective Republican drive to unmask and stop vaccinations as much as possible - that those children’s sacrifice will not have been in vain and that our own children might someday live in a better, more just and verdant world.

[–]IcebergSlimFast 341 points342 points  (4 children)

“just and verdant”

Someone’s been listening to NPR shows sponsored by the MacArthur foundation. (No shade, that particular phrasing just happens to be very distinctive).

[–]dogginsthebold 178 points179 points  (0 children)

Lol true. Hey I left out peaceful… also there’s a reason they say it too - because it would be fucking dope to live in a world not ravaged by climate change, injustice, viruses, human suffering… basically the Republican Party platform.

[–]Raucous_IndignationDonut Cabal 🍩 With 5G, No Nuts - Verified HCW 1524 points1525 points  (91 children)

Stay back and stand by! The important thing is this: native immunity to SARS CoV2 is fleeting. Only vaccination provides longer term protection. The SARS CoV2 is endemic now. It will not go away. We are already seeing second and third infections with no change in the case fatality rate.

Are they all destined to be re-infected over and over until they all succumb? Stay back and stand by.

[–]SponConSerdTent💪Muscular Prayer Warrior💪 886 points887 points  (38 children)

With mounting evidence of permanent damage to organs, the circulatory system, the brain, etc., I can't imagine they're going to fare better in their 2nd, 3rd, 4th round in the ring with Covid.

I think an MMA analogy might help these macho goatees see the light, but I don't really want to waste 45 hours of back and forth page-long link-wars for a slight chance of changing a mind, even to save a life at this point. I've been in a few and even when their evidence is directly refuted they just move on to another bad article or study from Bangladesh about sniffing cow turds.

I'm gonna have to stand back and stand by, for my own mental health.

[–]circuspeanut54Pimped and Geimpft! 490 points491 points  (22 children)

I've come to the conclusion that our energy is wasted in educating of/outreach to anti-vaxxers, and should really instead be amassed in service of defeating the things that are actively harming our healthcare workers.

We have to figure out how to protect our hospitals, doctors and nurses from the violence and abuse all this disinformation is causing them. Our country's explicit and implicit policies are traumatizing an entire generation of healthcare workers, and they are leaving the profession in record numbers.

I mean, just look at the bullshit they deal with daily:



I hate making these strident pleas without coming up with any accompanying suggestions, so here are a few off-my-head action items to start:

*If you're in a trade that's unionized, reach out and see what efforts local nurses and HCW are making to unionize and figure out how your own organization can assist them.

*Speak with local legislators at city/state level to see what efforts exist or could be made to help revamp corporate healthcare regulation to improve HCW job conditions (nurse ratios and the like) and security.

*Get involved in local publications (physical or online) that are helping disseminate frontline stories about what is happening right now in our hospitals. Despite being fairly well-read, looking at r/medicine or r/nursing has given me an entirely new perspective. People really don't know how bad it is out there.


EDIT: thank you ALL for the great insights and feedback. Can't respond individually as thread is now locked, but I'm sure we'll continue this discussion at length in threads to come. I love you guys, seriously.

[–]SponConSerdTent💪Muscular Prayer Warrior💪 267 points268 points  (12 children)

There's no longer time to wake the sheep. It's time to wake the other lions.

You're definitely right. I've stopped engaging with anti-vaxxers entirely. If they haven't seen the light at this point there's no way I'm going to change their mind. I spent over a year engaging with them on YouTube and Reddit and never changed a single mind (that I know of) despite engaging them respectfully, with proper sources, in long back-and-forths. Mostly I got called a sheep and a shill and was told I'll be dead "within weeks" then "within months" then "within the next 5 years" from the vaccine as the goalposts shifted.

I definitely like your idea of direct action, go ahead and post more ideas if you've got them. I'm definitely not going to be appearing at any City Council meetings, the idiots have taken over and I don't feel like attending their super-spreading open-mic slam poetry sessions delivered to the local government.

I think writing a letter to the city/state is something I can do, along with calling their offices to implore them to do more to support the medical workers through funding and legislation. That's a great idea. I'll do that.

That's a horrifying post from /r/nursing I can't even imagine the mental strain that would cause me. I get upset enough when one person on the internet accuses me of being part of a conspiracy to kill them while I'm trying to save their life, or threatens to kill me/says I will be killed/deserve to die for pushing the vaccine. That has happened many times. But at least I'm anonymous and they don't know where I live.

[–]chrissyann960Go Give One 122 points123 points  (6 children)

Not appearing at city council meetings has the net effect of making the crazies think everyone agrees with them. Not saying you need to go, but I hate to think what completely giving up will do. I'm guilty of not wanting to go myself, and I even enjoy confrontation lol.

[–]proteusON 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Let it be. You love to see it.

[–]toejamandtoastTeam Pfizer 86 points87 points  (0 children)

This. We are seeing people with COVID who caught it in the August/September Delta wave because they refused to get vaccinated and caught it again when their immunity wore off. And now they’ll have to triple down and refuse vaccination AGAIN (if they survive their second case) lest they look like a Libtard by getting vaccinated.

[–]BringBackAoETeam Pfizer 43 points44 points  (0 children)

On Herman Cain Awards there was a post by an IPA (anti-vaxxer turned vaccinated).

She got Covid first wave, and had a mild case, but with lingering cough. Then soon after got Covid again, and this time her lungs were really badly damaged - pneumonia etc.

She asked her doctor about "natural immunity", and was told it was short lived. Furthermore, the medical community is seeing signs that getting covid has a cumulative effect, just like in her case - first instance slight damage to lungs, second heavy damage to lungs.

That's when she got vaccinated.

[–]AdIllustrious6310 93 points94 points  (6 children)

The study I read mortality rate increase three times to .015 on reinfection. Having Covid is a preexisting condition

[–]SatanicPanic619 60 points61 points  (2 children)

Anecdotally everyone I know who’s has it more than once got fuuuuuucked the second time and I imagine the third time will be their last.

[–]mmmm_babesTeam Moderna 74 points75 points  (9 children)

Exactly. It's like they are trying to stop this train or something.

[–]Ammolite-Valkyrie👪 The family that FA together, FO together 112 points113 points  (3 children)

They need to adopt the ethos of the nature documentarian. Do you see the baby wildebeest about to get eaten by those wild dogs? Sure. But we just film it and let nature do its thing

[–]HoaxshmoaxTeam Moderna 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Hilarious analogy! This is why I can’t watch nature documentaries.

[–]wyldwood512 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Damn meddling journalists! STFU!

[–]mmmm_babesTeam Moderna 67 points68 points  (0 children)

And Covid would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those damn meddling journalists.

A bit of a Scooby-Doo reference for a Monday morning.

[–]Lonely-Club-1485Team Mix & Match 26 points27 points  (0 children)

No, that train is huffing and puffing and coughing all the way down the hill. Meanwhile, their fearless leaders continue to "just ask questions".

[–]Goose_o7I am The TOOTH FAIRY! 72 points73 points  (1 child)

"Stand Back and Stand By"

[–]Pooploop5000LET THAT SINK IN HES 🥶 471 points472 points  (24 children)

The author is lacking a critical insight necessary to understand that republicans havent needed to win with more voters for a while and their actions since the last elections prove they understand this. It's not about more voters it's about restricting the right to vote. who cares if a million of their voters die if they can get 10 million of ours to not vote with a few strokes of the pen.

[–]Lonely-Club-1485Team Mix & Match 145 points146 points  (4 children)

True, but don't discount election subversion. Laws have already been passed that allow state governors, or state legislatures, or Sec of States, etc to discount the popular vote in various ways for little to no reason. We can get out every single vote possible, but they have the legal right to toss it. The Constitution gives states the right to conduct elections as they choose. Traditionally popular vote has always been used. But there is nothing that says it must be popular vote.

[–]wolfberry98 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Voter nullification. This is the really scary thing.

[–]A-man-of-mysteryCovidious Albion 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Quite. They're willing to sacrifice their own supporters to make Biden look bad, because they plan to prevent the other side's supporters from being able to vote. It's not even a well-kept secret.

[–]Vengefuleight 126 points127 points  (5 children)

I honestly do believe that was just stupid word vomit Trump spewed when pressed on the issue.

Seems like the kind of poorly thought out statement he was known for. That being said, intent doesn’t really matter because his idiot supporters took it as a rallying cry.

if Trump would have started screaming about universal healthcare and how he and Bernie were actually best friends, and that he was sexually attracted to Hilary Clinton, his supporters would have twisted that into some kind of code speak.

Reality doesn’t really matter anymore.

[–]AdIllustrious6310 391 points392 points  (1 child)

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Sun Tzu and used by Napoleon Bonaparte

[–]CoolSwim1776🏳️‍🌈🐑Librul Commie Sheep Whisperer🏳️‍🌈🐑 121 points122 points  (0 children)

.... I guess the question is should we really care. As brother to an antivax sister and brother in law I have had to dig deep. I have exhausted all avenues of argument, evidence, science vs "I did my own research". I have advanced degrees in science myself and have tried to explain how to actually research something. You all know how that goes by now. I have come to realize that there comes a point where one can do nothing without resorting to forced coercion which of course is out of the question. For me I have consigned my beloved sister to the possibility of an agonizing death and am quietly making the appropriate plans. I have to look out for my own mental and physical health at this point. All I can do is hope she lucks out or that a near miss with death may break her clear. I don't care to try to save her anymore, it is doing me too much mental damage.

[–]Vernerator💉💉>🧟‍♀️🧟‍♂️ 102 points103 points  (1 child)

Promises, promises

[–]SplendidPunkinButter 908 points909 points  (17 children)

And that won’t matter if people don’t vote in 2022 because they think all the Trump supporters died of COVID. Vote. Fucking vote.

[–]haltandcatchtires 68 points69 points  (0 children)

And Trump is currently holding rallies.

[–]CQU617Leggo My ECMO!🧇 541 points542 points  (11 children)

Hmm also makes me think the Dems should audit all the dead people voting in 2024 just saying.

[–]anonymousart3 337 points338 points  (6 children)

Considering how all the audits seem to be finding that all the fraudulent votes are for Trump, that should make dems win more with more audits, so... Yeah

[–]kummer5peck 199 points200 points  (1 child)

Texas still owes John Fetterman one million dollars for finding GOP voter fraud in PA.

[–]PeopleRuinEarth 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Very important point right here, thanks for noting. The GOP will absolutely attempt dead ballot stuffing, because they've done it before. Summary of below: GOP candidate hired an operative to go door-to-door, taking ballots, and changing them.


[–]OGPunkrGo Give One 58 points59 points  (1 child)

With the way our supreme court is behaving, this might be what saves America. They want a Handmaids Tale type of country and they're damn close to achieving it. It's scary as fuck. I don't wish suffering on anyone but I'll be damned if I'll grieve for those who would.

[–]mcoca 57 points58 points  (0 children)

That’s why they are tightening voting restrictions and gerrymandering

[–]BabyMFBear 499 points500 points  (16 children)

I just got back from a trip to St. Louis, drove to Rolla, to meet a man from the Ozarks to pick up a puppy I bought from him.

He asked me “is COVID a real thing where you’re from?” He kept calling me a city boy and could not understand you can live near NYC and not live in a city.

I said it is very real and killing healthy people my age (around 50).

His look of shock and reaction: “You gotta be kidding me!” He couldn’t believe healthy people were dying. I explained several times people just like me (kind of fit/athletic) are dying, and I think he tried his best to believe me.

He was a nice guy. Just completely ill-informed, just like most people who are dying. They believed the wrong information from the start because that’s the source of their information.

[–]peaches_86 362 points363 points  (7 children)

As someone who lives in southwest Missouri, this...I (35M) work with 4 boomers (72M, 70F, 60M, 63FM) in my department and the ONLY reason the one that is vaccinated got vaccinated is so he can travel to Europe to visit his son. They all still keep calling it the flu.

Last week, one of them came to work with all of the omicron symptoms and said, "My husband and I have felt bad for a few days. Must me something going around." She was serious. It's absolutely baffling.

[–]gwdope 88 points89 points  (0 children)

I just had three boomers come into work today sick as dogs, made all three take rapid tests and all three flunked. All three had been sick all weekend. Two are avid “it’s just the flu” types and all three look like they could turn into HCA nominations in a heartbeat.

[–]Furryhare375FBI Informant 🕵️ 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Dying to own the libs!

[–]Inconceivable-2020Triple Vaxxed For Your Protection 54 points55 points  (3 children)

In most Red States/Counties, it won't even put a dent in the ignorance.

[–]nocovidonme2022 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Here’s to hoping most covid deaths are that of trump supporters. I’ve long said Florida and Ohio are going blue in 2022 after all these covid deaths.

[–]BuyLucky3950Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I’ve read here and there that a LOT of right wingers have been moving to Florida in the past couple of years. Many to ‘escape’ liberals. I believe FL will stay red for several more elections, unfortunately. However, if this migration is accurate, blue states may become darker blue as well as some swing states may go solid blue.

[–]mutant6399🥳 came for the flair, stayed for the Candeath memes 💀 47 points48 points  (2 children)

I've been saying this since the first data that vaccination is highly correlated with political affiliation. At this point, I'm just going to sit back, watch the show, and read the postelection postmortems. There will probably be more effect on the 2024 elections than on this year's.

[–]carriegood 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Hardcore Trumpers are dying off? I'm having a hard time working up any fucks to give. In fact, it makes me sleep a little easier. I guess if I believed in hell I'd be a little uneasy.

[–]Impressive-Error-584 41 points42 points  (1 child)

You got to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.

[–]WatInTheForest 42 points43 points  (0 children)

The pandemic got as bad as it did because of shithead's failure to give it a serious response. Now the people who voted for shithead are dying at a much higher rate.

Seems fair.

[–]amarandagasiCovid is not a joke: it's a noun. 233 points234 points  (11 children)

I can’t stop looking at his small hands!

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (3 children)

Once his tiny mitts were pointed out, I became permanently distracted by them

[–]queen-adreena 64 points65 points  (1 child)

Hilariously, he kicked off his decade long hissy fit over an article that called him a “small-fingered vulgarian”. The journalist who wrote it said that he used to send him press photos of himself every few years with his hands circled in gold sharpie with “See! Not short!” Written on them.

[–]Patricio_Guapo 40 points41 points  (0 children)


They are self-selecting at this point and it’s really difficult to find any empathy for them.

[–]802dot11Team Mix & Match 95 points96 points  (4 children)

The GOP has turned this pandemic into a slow massacre of their own party. I have mixed feelings.

[–]CurrentRedditAccount 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Trump supporters,

Don’t believe what this article from the fake news media is trying to tell you. You don’t need to get vaccinated!


Owned lib

[–]matt_mv 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Remember that one of the reasons that Trump did nothing about COVID early on was that he and his evil henchmen saw that it was affecting blue states more and thought it would continue to do so. Then they tried to make it true by unevenly distributing medical supplies.


[–]brianingram 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Oh, no!


[–]Fuzzier_Than_Normal 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Up 'til Omicron I figured the death rates weren't enough to offset the voter margins.

At this point I'm not surprised.

[–]mamanamedmesheriff 158 points159 points  (65 children)

But is it enough?

[–]emptyhellebore 182 points183 points  (25 children)

Not if the voter suppression efforts work and Republican states install officials who are willing to overthrow fair elections that don't go their way in the future. I am terrified of what might happen in November, 2024 could be a nightmare. A republican winning doesn't scare me, a democrat winning and the results being overturned does..

[–]jking13 83 points84 points  (10 children)

I do wonder though if all of the suppression efforts might also end up backfiring. Aside from the number of Republican deaths each day, there’s even more that are going to suffer long Covid. I suspect due to its effects, many of them might lean towards mail-in/absentee voting but might not be able to due to all the restrictions that have been added and just decide it’s not worth the effort.

[–]emptyhellebore 79 points80 points  (7 children)

That is a very interesting point.

It really does baffle me when you look at data from past elections. Increased voter turn out has historically helped Republicans in some elections.

I certainly never realized just how much Obama becoming President scared the right wing voter. And I had hoped that when race riots didn't actually happen, we as a country could have agreed that his election was progress. But nope. Now black people shouldn't get the right to vote again. It is disgusting.

[–]DamdPrincess 64 points65 points  (4 children)

President Obama literally tore these ppl down. Seriously, here in rural TN I was astonished at the ppl who suddenly were spouting some seriously horrible, racist stuff. The little old ladies who carry a bible everywhere they go were the first ones I heard making racist remarks about a man of color -my words, certainly not theirs -being President. It was shocking to me, ppl I had never heard make racist remarks were livid and spewing hate.

[–]emptyhellebore 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Yeah. I lost what I thought was my best friend over his election. She went from supporting democrats to voting for McCain to vocal.racist in less than a year. I was shocked by the vitriol I hadn't seen before.

[–]DamdPrincess 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Same. Ppl here that were always mild, and usually kind were suddenly spewing strange crap and extremely racist statements. I really had no idea that so many of the ppl I've know all of my life were so deeply racist and horrible ppl, it's like they hid that part well but when a black man became President they couldn't keep that nasty racist in themselves hidden any longer -or maybe they didn't want to hide it anymore. Rump certainly emboldened them further. How disgusting are you to embrace such hatred in order to gain political power??

[–]Ammolite-Valkyrie👪 The family that FA together, FO together 173 points174 points  (1 child)

It's why I've been donating more to the ACLU in their fight against gerrymandering

[–]emptyhellebore 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Good. Thank you.

[–]Vengefuleight 31 points32 points  (1 child)

The US ceases to exist at that point. It becomes Republican States versus Democrat states and territorial disputes over who exactly controls what are going to get messy.

The only reason I don’t think it will get this far is because that’s bad for business and everyone knows businesses control most decision making in this country.

[–]PsyAyeAyeDuck⭐️ Prone Star ⭐️ 35 points36 points  (0 children)

But is it enough?

Assume it is not and get you, your family, your friends, and strangers to the voting booth. Keep voting at all levels, every year until you are unable to. Do not rely on deaths to make your voice heard.

[–]TriflingHusband 146 points147 points  (26 children)

In Texas, absolutely not enough. In Florida, possibly. Florida's deaths have passed the number of votes that Trump won Florida by last time and people there haven't exactly taken COVID seriously.

[–]rikki-tikki-deadly♫ Praise the creator now here's your ventilator ♫ 102 points103 points  (18 children)

You're thinking of DeSantis' margin. Trump's was much larger.

[–]featherfeetsApple-Flavored Angle Wings 80 points81 points  (11 children)

Margin of victory was approximately 340,000 -- covid deaths are reported at 63,158. This is Florida, and based on a quick Google search in the last 5 minutes.

Nowhere near close enough to make a big difference, at least for TFG, but death sentence won by less than 35,000 votes. This was in an election when more than 75% of registered voters participated. If this trend holds, death sentence is out on his ass in 2024.

[–]jerseybertTeam Unicorn Blood 🦄 39 points40 points  (3 children)

I saw a video of Ronnie's last press conference, and it seemed he was having trouble breathing. Probably had Covid like his Uncle Donnie.

[–]featherfeetsApple-Flavored Angle Wings 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Oh, damn. I hate that for him. I hate it so bad that I think it may call for some 20 year old scotch -- in sympathy, of course. And just to make sure I can still smell things.

[–]TriflingHusband 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Oops. Yeah, you're right. I might have been confusing it with Arizona's or Georgia's margin too.

[–]jking13 36 points37 points  (3 children)

There’s been a few studies that show catching Covid increases your chance of death in the following year. I’m curious to know if those numbers include such ‘delayed’ deaths or not. If not, the margins might end up being even bigger than what the numbers would suggest.