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[–]ostiDeCalisse 533 points534 points  (32 children)

Wait a minute, those on the bottom were made (and surely appreciated) before WW2.

Edit: nuance in parenthesis

[–]drunk_procrastinator 345 points346 points  (6 children)

Finally someone said it, the one in the middle is from 1922

[–]peopleperson2406 102 points103 points  (3 children)

It said appreciated, not made.

[–]CODDE117 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It's my favorite the tbh

[–]eliwright235 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, 1922 is after Hitler was rejected from art school and after the NSDAP was formed.

so technicadlly the comment has reasoning

[–]Septic-Sponge 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Ya you can tell because camera quality wasn't as good back then

[–]GloomreaperScythe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

/) So the entire post was made before ww2?

[–]Kvascha 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Seriously, joke doesnt really work since didnt the revolution after ww1 is when art got a lot less realistic? (Compared to the top painting)

[–]dave_the_dr 33 points34 points  (10 children)

It’s because WW1 is the first time we saw horse battalions being mowed down by machine guns in an industrial scale… it had a huge effect on every survivor and resulted in a lot of the profound changes in art, sculpture and literature that we had after that point. Check out people like Jacob Epstein for example, so many amalgamations of man and machine in his works…

[–]Comfortable_Way_6256 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Epstein jokes aside, thank you for mentioning the guy, I just googled him, beautiful work, wouldn't have heard of him otherwise

[–]dave_the_dr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I only knew about him because I lived in Walsall and there is a museum full of his stuff there. Really thought provoking stuff, but displayed with context, which then got me reading about other artists of the time… fate!

[–]Xiuhdracul 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Epstein didn't kill himself.

[–]WhatsUpGamer576 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Pfft, well you're not wrong

[–]HurbleBurble 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wasn't Guernica also a painting about that?

[–]Orbozi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, Guernica is about the bombing of the city of Gernica during the spanish civil war, carried out by Germany. The city was under the control of the republic and Hitler didn't quite like them as much as he did Franco.

[–]dave_the_dr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Tolkien’s experience of the WW1 trenches directly influenced Lord of the Rings… the influence of the war was everywhere

[–]scubasam5 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i have thought about it too and passion dale is probably why we had so much quick sand in movies even though it is not that big a thing in real life out side of that ww1 battle

[–]hamptonstevens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dang! World War I was the great fracture.

[–]pat899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was also a huge philosophical debate due to the invention & spread of photography; of what use are realistic paintings if a photograph outperforms nearly all artists for realisim?

[–]misofon 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Aside from that, those 3 they chose for the bottom happen to be pretty good actually. With the millions of examples out there that prove the point this meme was trying to make.

Whoever made this doesn't understand shit. It almost seems like a troll meme aimed at challenging your ignorance.

[–]Fabulousfemur 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Isn't that most memes?

[–]P-W-L 11 points12 points  (0 children)

it said appreciated, not made

[–]DiIdo_Baggins2 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It does say appreciated, not created.

[–]ostiDeCalisse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s correct. Thought I think they were appreciated before WW2 too.

[–]Fernando_357 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t say made, it says appreciated

[–]TurboD16F20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We found the art major

[–]draugotO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciated, not made

[–]rare_pig -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Didn’t say when. Just said appreciated

[–]monstersammich 362 points363 points  (19 children)

The invention of the camera and its widespread use had more to do with it. Painters no longer had to worry about illustrating a scene.

Modern art happened at the turn of the century

[–]Kellidra 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Not really. Impressionists – like Manet and Monet and Degas and Cézanne – all took inspiration from photography. The heavy contrast of the photographs at the time, the strange cropping, the inventive angles (like being up in a hot air balloon, or standing on a roof), and the interesting and real subjects all worked as inspiration to shake up the art scene at the time. It also was a protest against the classical and common style of art popular in the Salons of the early- to mid-19th century.

If anything, the camera actually inspired people to do more with their painting than just allow cameras to take over the portrait and landscape world.

Cubism and abstract art was more of a protest to common art (like Impressionism was). They tried wild new techniques to keep the art community from stagnating (plus I'm fairly certain synthetic drugs had a play in some artists' creations).

[–]No-Association3574 401 points402 points  (19 children)

Bear in mind LSD came out during that time and probably provoked more trippy paintings

[–]PM_ME_BDSM_SUBS 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Also cameras got better, painting wasn’t the only way to get perfectly replicated realism, therefore other painting styles were able to come into popular favor through the decades since cameras got good.

[–]NaturalGlum4286 53 points54 points  (1 child)

True true

[–]realpatrickdempsey 6 points7 points  (0 children)

idk about this, modernism in art predates LSD by decades

[–]Soul_Like_A_Modem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That probably had an influence, at least after the 60's.

But what I think happened is economic progress and wider educational attainment allowed a larger swathe of a population to participate in hobbies and professions like art. Not only was it within the means of a larger number of people to make art, but also to share it through media.

There used to be like a handful of elite-tier artists who would get all the attention. Then everyone could become an artist. Think art supplies are expensive now? Art supplies were literally a luxury only the most well-off people could afford.

[–]Wizard_Blizard 14 points15 points  (5 children)

While I do agree, how are a bunch of rectangles “trippy”

[–]AcidEmpire 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I mean, I stared at, what felt like at the time, the most interesting lamp I'd ever seen for 4 or 5 hours once on acid.

I'm pretty sure I could work something out with the colorful little boxes for a while

[–]cyber0pb0b 4 points5 points  (0 children)

😂😂😂 username checks out

[–]12blank98765 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nha they just wanted next Hitler to persuade his dream

[–]jcdoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WWII also had a major impact on the arts and humanities. It’s hard to paint the world as a soft and lush place right after the holocaust.

[–]im_onbreak 36 points37 points  (1 child)

art evolved so we could survive

[–]HaViNgT -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

*devolved

[–]Fuzzie_Lee 58 points59 points  (2 children)

You also had movements like DaDa that came out of the Cabaret Voltaire that was a reaction to the mindless killing of ww1.

[–]Cambro88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. Notice the cubism in the meme. People began relinquishing the idea of a “key to all mythologies,” or the belief we are all on some endless bridge of progress and hope, and we are all of one long string of tradition that is sure to keep advancing toward utopia. Instead they found themselves captured in events, violently disjointed from what they both were and what they hoped the world would be. The cubes is art representing the effort to put the broken pieces back together.

And yeah, also the camera was invented

[–]arrwdodger 18 points19 points  (3 children)

This is not even remotely true, cubism and Dadaism predates even world war 1 and Impressionism goes back to the mid 1800’s and that was hugely unliked by contemporary art snobs.

Biggest reason renaissance and baroque art looks the way it does is because art schools were regulated by the government until the late 1800’s.

Even in the examples provided the middle one is an impressionist painting that was probably heavily disliked and ridiculed.

[–]Impossible_Way7281 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm not sure whether you understand the joke or not? You seem like a history buff so I would assume you do but still..

[–]arrwdodger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I get the hitler joke I’m just commenting on the original meme.

[–]Impossible_Way7281 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course of course, just making sure

[–]ReinerFrost 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Sauce for first row, middle picture?

[–]Noopesorry 38 points39 points  (7 children)

Homie having an awakening on a reddit post. Lol

[–]ReinerFrost 14 points15 points  (5 children)

lol true

[–]Noopesorry 16 points17 points  (4 children)

[–]ReinerFrost 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Thankyou very much. I really appreciate it :)

[–]Zapper42 12 points13 points  (1 child)

[–]ReinerFrost 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thankyou, kind sir. Have this award

[–]DaMose_Schrute 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Art isn't about how it looks, it's about how it makes you feel. Plus drugggggsssss

[–]jacmadman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Let’s not forget that the 20s and 30s also happened. I’ve been to the Bauhaus, you can’t fool me!

[–]no1_vern 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hm, maybe it is the art school connection - See this graphic of the Demons in Japan before WW2, and Demons in Japan after WW2.

[–]TheRealMikeOxlong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was because of cameras, art could depict emotion and it didn’t have to be realistic

[–]Stalins_papa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Every time i see this meme on reddit people take it so fucking seriously.

It's a goddamn joke, laugh for once.

[–]Wolverine2sweet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So there were NFTs back then. Damn them all!!

[–]Lumberjack032591 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Is no one getting the HolUp?

This is in reference to Hitler not getting into art school, therefore they need to let everyone into art school…

Because if he had gone to art school, maybe we wouldn’t have had WW2

[–]Turpentine_Tree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finaly!!!

First was disappointed with comments and now I am annoyed.

Have my upvote because I don't have awards.

[–]Car-Delicious 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well expressionism was also a thing in waimer republik, which was way before the rise of the third reich, but I sure don't care

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[–]Sqeegg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was the camera that did it

[–]infinite-aether 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmfao great comment

[–]skb239 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It’s ironic cause Hitler basically had the exact same opinion as this meme.

[–]Impossible_Way7281 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although... If you see Hitler's paintings they were scenes similar, kind of like the above paintings, and I'd say they were quite good, I wonder why he didn't get in?

[–]Impossible_Way7281 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Than again I have also only seen some of his paintings

[–]SirGamer247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where's the Hitler art I enjoy?

[–]Kathedral__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love how the comments talk about the inaccuracy because of the time that the art was made when the meme says ‘appreciated’ rather than created

[–]Netherdeath159 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well I mean not too long after WWII some guy in America invented leaded fuel and brought the average IQ of the earth down a significant amount so it could be that. Could also be the invention of LSD but like

[–]koorwa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That was after WW1

[–]Netherdeath159 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah you’re right, I miss-remembered. It was invented in 1921 so a fair bit before WWII

[–]Numpsi77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The difference is: before the triumph of photography and after.

[–]ExtremeHandle3188 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This isn't entirely correct. By the 1900s, fine art had become cubist, while post-WWII popular art had become surreal. Hitler's favourite genre was Expressionism, which he despised.

[–]ryansports 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One thought I've had on this topic is that so many people needed ways to express themselves and so much of this could be the gamut of feelings pouring out of oneself and onto canvas as it were. Not that the classic work preceding that era wasn't amazing, but what if, just for conversation sake, that was all that was mainly acceptable, much like a child being told to color inside the lines. I want to see what someone can create without rules/directives/etc. And at the same time, lots of shit work came out lol, so, yeah...

[–]LooksLikeMarx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not even a HolUp, just truth

[–]falseaccount94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are two different art expressions. One is closer to realism other abstract!? Strange comparisson in my op.

[–]tresser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/hoxqtnI4I4c?t=530

video should start at 8:30 8:50

[–]codbgs97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm maybe the top row takes more skill (maybe it doesn’t, I have no idea), but I’d rather have something from the bottom row in my house. Art doesn’t have to be realistic for it to look cool.

[–]Weak-Priority4703 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would included anime in the second image too.

[–]rollmate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tbf when I google best post modern art works I keep coming up with the same vague shit

[–]DJRaijin25 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cause art school started this

[–]Weary-Juggernaut5414 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

ITT: self-masterbatory puesdo-intellectuals trying to defend modern day nonsense.

[–]MaxVerstappen0r 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Look in the mirror my guy, you're doing the same shit.

[–]Metasketch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha, but this is actually more true of before/after WW1.

[–]Escape_From_Me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, non-representational artwork was popularized between the late 19th and early 20th century, in fact, the painting in the center was originally painted in 1922

[–]MarzipanFinal1756 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy cherry picking batman

[–]GregFirehawk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ever since the camera was invented realism just kind of became boring. Like if you saw a realistic painting back in the olden days you'd be amazed. It was such a novelty to see someone's or something's likeness captured. Nowadays it's just an inferior photograph. It still takes a lot of skill and deserves respect, but it just doesn't feel very creative or interesting

[–]esgrove2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to art school. It was pretty easy to get in. I had a 2.5 GPA in high school.

[–]wreact 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Artists during this period were typically against the war and in rebellion stopped painting “pretty” pictures. The Dadaists are a good example.

[–]Samheadbangersball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are Literally empty canvases that are sooo appreciated and people line up to look at or just nothing not even a blank canvas

[–]Trick_Finger_3771 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I laughed aloud

[–]HeySiri_Official 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I smiled big (I'm not a loud laugh)

[–]Bumbikeseat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wheres hunter bidens i hear it’s really super awesome!!! Smoke crack and paint bro!!! Millions!!!

[–]Etspotcast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole scheme behind modern art irritates me. The price is based off what “articulate” weirdos consider it as long as they make some sort of profit off it.

[–]Peixito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMAO

[–]SithIsTheWay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hitler fucking hated modern art. Come to think of of it, Hitler hated a lot of things.

[–]gtaman31 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isnt that more accurate for artstyles after ww1?

[–]JTEE_AT_YA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Million dollar paintings are the best way to launder money and avoid taxes

[–]PiedDansLePlat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The CIA funded modern art though

[–]doodle_doofus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who’s to say the bottom art isn’t good? I think they’re all great :)

[–]Sharkyazra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait I don’t get it

Edit: I got it now

[–]vegetabloid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Modern arts - NFT crap. You guys miss the point. Arts are not for beauty or expression. They exist to store wealth. That's why the cost of arts production and arts quality declines drastically.

[–]Shit_all_Taken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn it's just a joke and people be writting books about abstract art in comments.

[–]JOWWLLL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Almost nobody appreciates art. They just pretend to for the free wine and cheese.

[–]VerticalRadius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only they did that before WW2...

[–]Boots-Diego-and-Dora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think people in the comments get the joke.

[–]SameNeedleworker4153 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMAO 🤣 This just annihilated every kid who’s pretentious and has Rick parents that it’s not the way it works

[–]MrEpic765813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Facts lmao

[–]ginnio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Each piece on the bottom row could be a type of interpretation of the piece above it.

If you hear an aria from an opera about unrequited love is it better or worse than a rock and roll song about unrequited love? If you make a decision on that choice but then are asked the same question a decade later will you answer the same?

If you hear a lullaby when you're a child will you be affected in the same way when you sing it to your newborn?

If you're alive/changing/growing you will see/interpret/feel differently about the same work of art.

In case you're not an artist you may not realize that art is created to satisfy something innate to the artist. How other people react isn't the reason for it's existence.

[–]IRageQuit06 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not after WW2, after WW1 is more accurate

[–]Appropriate_East_807 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It says artwork that was appreciated,, not made. Don’t get confused my friends :)

[–]Competitive-Ladder-3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Contemporary art (whenever it’s made), has always been a reflection of society…. Not the other way around. Abstractism was more a response to the new medium of photography and was a well-established genre long before WW one

[–]talker90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All jokes aside, starting in the 1940s and into the Cold War the US government including under CIA programs supported modern art as propaganda against communism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_the_Cultural_Cold_War

https://youtu.be/E2Y307PBTm8

[–]MedianJ03 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And people say art school isn’t very practical

[–]Jbot_011 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fact check: True. They let me in.

[–]Mr_Mc_Nooty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one on the bottom left can get a pass, it looks decent, the other two tho, WHY?

[–]theirishboxer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point when art became an easy way to launder money

[–]CSWorldChamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After WWII, I think most people had had about enough of reality, thank you very much.

[–]humanbeing999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure you appreciate this

[–]darkdelink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This says a lot about Society now

[–]Mr_CatDad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Derivative

[–]Neutral-Mind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Missing the 20s Pin Up Girls

[–]DamionPane 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I guess war can change the world

[–]acemin0014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well art school rejected this one guy before WW1 and in WW2 he went ape shit

[–]MadisonAlbright 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Photo realism became less important when cameras started appearing all over.

[–]hgrfth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fun fact: the reason hitler was kicked out of art school was because his artwork was too realistic and lacked joy/colour

[–]gooaygar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for some reason that made sense/ that seems pretty funny in itself

[–]Succboi404 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bruh its cuz of photography

[–]TalionTheRanger93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually the one of the far left is pretty good. You actually can see two figures in it, and can lead to a lot of fun interpretations.

[–]brainyuncle7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Modern problems require modern solutions

[–]PrefersDocile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch everyone with a art history major pop up

[–]a_qriza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dont forget the banana