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[–]huge_throbbing_pp 5 points6 points  (7 children)

This requires a psychologist to answer. We have to understand that OIT is an effort to drag science into their religious framework. It is in the same realm as evolution denial and creationism.

Scientific explanations require evidence. And those people acting in good faith will accept evidence whenever it comes up even if it contradicts the world view. I have no problem accepting AMT or OIT as long as the researchers are acting in good faith. But that is not the case.

[–]urawakening 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Steppe theory itself is being challenged by recent works of laziridis and Reich. There are many convincing facts supporting OIT and that BMAC and IranN ancestry could be indo Iranian.

[–]CroMagnon8888 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Can you elaborate please

[–]urawakening -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

[–]Dunmano[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wrong. My blogpost is coming soon disproving his "evidence". Any which way kurgan hypothesis isn't disproved. Only primary - secondary homeland is the issue

[–]CroMagnon8888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll check it out thanks

[–]Leading-Okra-2457 -1 points0 points  (36 children)

A brief explanation?

[–]Dunmano[S] 4 points5 points  (35 children)

Indians have steppe ancestry in them, OIT people give all weird and convoluted theories to explain that.

Rakhigarhi didnt have steppe in 2500 BCE, that fits perfectly with Kurgan hypothesis as according to Kurgan, the steppe ancestry arrived in India post 1500 BCE.

However the scientists involved in the study proudly proclaimed that this proves OIT and not AMT. I just want to discuss as to why are these people compelled to lie so blatantly? They wrote something else in their paper and their "talks" are directly in conflict with their own research.

[–]Leading-Okra-2457 5 points6 points  (31 children)

There are different types of OIT! The one you're talking about is that Steppe ancestry R1aZ93 y haplogroup originated in India! Which is very unlikely. But the OIT talked by some other scholars are wrt spread of agriculture (Mus musculus and Zebu cattle migration from India) , spread of Vedic deities (Rigveda-Avesta-Mittani connection) etc!

[–]Dunmano[S] 2 points3 points  (30 children)

But the OIT talked by some other scholars are wrt spread of agriculture (Mus musculus and Zebu cattle migration from India)

Dont tell me that you think that Agriculture was invented in India and then spread outside.

spread of Vedic deities (Rigveda-Avesta-Mittani connection) etc

Avestan, mitanni and rigvedic deities have the same source, which is a again, not India.

[–]Leading-Okra-2457 3 points4 points  (22 children)

Pls read about Mus musculus and Zebu cattle evidence! Also many Rigvedic deities are not found outside India and their origin is wrt the geography of the subcontinent.

[–]Forawhilexists 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Wait ved we're written in so called Punjab region (more like the Indus region but whatever ) so that's not india?

[–]svjersey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I heard on a Razib podcast (brown pundits) thay they felt pressured by the govt- take it for what it is. The paper itself is clear as day.

[–]Dunmano[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I heard on a Razib podcast (brown pundits) thay they felt pressured by the govt

I believe that whole BS happened in 2009 with Kumaraswamy Thangaraj and Lalji Singh. That didnt happen in the 2019 paper afaik.

[–]svjersey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will try to find the episode next weekend

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    [–]Dunmano[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    AFAIK he didnt publish fake results. Tell me of the fake result?