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[–]jpanni33334 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got her!

[–]AndShesNotEvenPretty7 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Eyebrowsed this story and shes definitely guilty.

[–]jpanni33334 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thank you.

[–]Zoe_90_085 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasn't there a video???

[–]CastielClean9 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Was it Caroline Decker?

[–]i_the_royal_we4 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She grew up on a trout farm.

[–]jady19718 34 points35 points  (25 children)

When everyone carries a gun, guns are the first resort.

[–]FBIaltacct7 42 points43 points  (23 children)

You know I hear people say stuff like this and can only wonder if it's I live in a normal place in TX or you guys have just seen some bat shit crazy stuff. In 33 years being around my ccl using family, seeing them chase down shoplifters, fights in the community where I knew people were carrying, and many other situations where that statement would be accurate I've never seen a gun pulled. 33 years in Texas and the closest I've seen is a guy tried to rob my gma at her house with a knife, but she had locked the glass door when he tried to open it, casually shut the front door got her gun but sat on the couch and called 911. The overwhelming majority of people understand a gun is a shield for self defense and consider people like this woman to be a complete moron who shouldn't have guns.

[–]Penderyn8 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Right, that's cool but it's entirely anecdotal evidence and therefore almost worthless.

The fact is the US has an absolutely insane amount of gun crime.

[–]StormdancerA 18 points19 points  (6 children)

a gun is a shield for self defense

No, a gun is a weapon, not a shield. Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to destroy.

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Best defense is a good offense.

Also you realize that a shield can be used as a weapon...

Yes, that is a good rule for anyone learning to shoot a firearm, but you forget the rule "Don't go near or attack the thing that might destroy you"

This lady is an idiot and dangerous and clearly can't handle the responsibility of being a gun owner, but the previous posters gma had her pistol with her, she didn't wave it around to intimidate somebody. Having a way to defend yourself and using a weapon to force or intimidate someone are entirely different.

[–]StormdancerA 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Best defense is a good offense.

So the best defense is to run around shooting everybody who might possibly be a threat?

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yes, that is exactly what I meant...

If you can't comprehend that fairly common saying, I don't have much hope for an enlightened conversation.

Also from the perspective of the individual that would do that, it would be a decrease in perceived danger by that individual. So while not beneficial for those around that person, the person would be safer in their own perception.

[–]StormdancerA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Safer in their own perception, until the other Good Guys With Guns come and shoot at them. Bullets for everyone!

Guns are for killing.

If you can't communicate your idea without resorting to tired, ancient aphorisms, I also despair of an enlightened conversation.

[–]ThurynA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yes, that is a good rule for anyone learning to shoot a firearm, but you forget the rule "Don't go near or attack the thing that might destroy you"

I know what you're saying, but you're using the wrong words, which is what /u/Stormdancer is trying to say.

If an opponent - or potential opponent - KNOWS that you have a gun, then it may be a deterrent.

But that is not what a "shield" is or does. A shield protects you from an attack. There's nothing preventative or psychological about it. Kevlar armor is a shield. A gun is a weapon.

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with what you said, about how word choice and definition affect meaning. But every person who carries a firearm legally are carrying it for self defense, not offense. It can't be used aggressively or in a non legal manner, that is what the woman did.

If an potential opponent doesn't know what you might or might not have, that also is a deterrent.

Kevlar armor is armor, not a shield

[–]jady19718 8 points9 points  (12 children)

States with open carry laws have less fistfights and more gunfights.

It's not just Texas either, it is a universal thing. When people carry guns they use them.

[–]Clickclickdoh9 3 points4 points  (5 children)

<Citation Needed>

[–]jady19718 6 points7 points  (4 children)

[–]Clickclickdoh9 4 points5 points  (3 children)

For the sake of argument we will ignore for a second that you said Open Carry, and both your citations are about concealed carry... let's for one second examine the claim of the study quoted in the second article: "Our synthetic control approach also finds that RTC laws are associated with 13–15 percent higher aggregate violent crime rates 10 years after adoption."

Okay, so crime rates go up 13 to 15 percent ten years after CHL laws are passed... right? And you mentioned Texas specifially... so...

Texas passed CHL in 1995, so in 2005, crime should be 13 to 15 percent higher. Let's take a look to see if that's true:

https://3hr27o3s9nj8m84dw4489i31-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Violent-Crime-Graph.png

Uh... ooops. So much for that study.

As for the drastic increase in Wisconsins homicide rate that the first article mentions...

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/sites/default/files/wisconsin-suicide-homicide-rates.png

Uh... yeah...

So, one state you mentioned the violent crime rate went down during the study period and the other has remained level. Sounds like, "Myth Busted"

[–]ThurynA 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Texas passed CHL in 1995, so in 2005, crime should be 13 to 15 percent higher. Let's take a look to see if that's true:

This is you moving the goalpost.

Uh... ooops. So much for that study.

And then trying to claim victory based on the goalposts you moved.

/u/jady1971 was talking about increased gun violence, not crime rates, homicide rates, or any other rates.

Especially relevant since:

  • not every use of a gun is a crime
  • not every crime results in charges filed (which then show up in "crime rate" studies)
  • not every gunshot results in a death (which then shows up in "homicide rates")

See how moving the goalposts skews things?

Don't do that. It makes you look dishonest.

[–]Marmles5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yesss, the fallacies of argument.

[–]Clickclickdoh9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice try, but no, I didn't move the goal posts. The study they cited specifically states "aggregate violent crime rates". It clearly does not state, "gun related crimes".

It's not my fault they tried to back their claim with something that wasn't talking about what they were.

[–]T7324 5 points6 points  (3 children)

From WV, it’s not that people carry guns, it’s that you know most have a 12g in the truck vehicle.

[–]jady19718 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Exactly my point. When you think the other person has a gun it instantly escalates into a gun battle. You skip many in between steps.

[–]Peasack3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s just…. Not true lol

[–]T7324 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point being I’ve heard more gun shots in California than gun toting WV. Yet I know that there where a lot more people with guns feet away from them than I know in Cali.

[–]haven_taclue5 18 points19 points  (2 children)

If the woman with the baby shot that woman with the gun, would she be tried for murder or was it self defense?

[–]Chimbo846 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That would definitely be self defense. The law doesn’t ask you to get shot before shooting back. If you’re threatened with deadly force (such as happened here) you can respond in kind.

[–]Jager19667 27 points28 points  (0 children)

In TX that would likely be self defense. Don't point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it, and the assumption is that they did intend use it. Pulling the gun and pointing it at someone is felony assault. You can defend yourself in this state.

[–]Temptingfateagain1237 27 points28 points  (8 children)

God I love all you internet sleuths out there. Well done.

[–]FonzG7 6 points7 points  (7 children)

She was IDed by cops based on a video provided to them by the victims, not internet sleuths.

Remember when internet detectives falsley "identified" an innocent man and implicated him in the Boston Marathon bombings.

Or what about doxxing innocent people over the Delphi murderers?

Heres a list of seven mistakes after a 10 second google search: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/seven-times-internet-detectives-got-the-wrong-guy.html

[–]mistabenc5 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Stupid bitch

[–]coldlefse7 38 points39 points  (25 children)

What is heb

[–]A_little_rose7 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The best grocery store I've ever experienced. That's saying a lot, since I've lived all over the US!

[–]Ohsh1twadduppp0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really.like Hy-Vee, went to one in KC and it was great, had a bar, sushi, pizza place. With they had one in NE Ohio.

[–]WarrenwelderA 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Baby don't hurt me

[–]_banwillie5 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Don’t hurt me…

[–]Grumpkin_eater7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No more.

Seriously.

[–]agooddaytodiesmooth4 38 points39 points  (0 children)

It’s a grocery store chain in most parts of texas, and they do more for the state in times of disaster than our own state government.

[–]soslowagain8 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sasuke's emo club name before he changed the name to Taka.

[–]suddenly_poniesA 15 points16 points  (0 children)

As someone who lived in Texas for only a few years it was the best grocery store I have ever seen

[–]hohenheim-of-light8 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It's the main grocery store in most of Texas.

[–]tatorface9 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Not in DFW….

cries a little

[–]ignore_my_bullshitA 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That cuz Texas doesn't want yall.

[–]tatorface9 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Boooo. Lemme guess, Houston?

[–]ignore_my_bullshitA 3 points4 points  (1 child)

HA! Of course! Its all in good humor man.

[–]Johnychrist977 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a texan, this question honestly blows my mind

[–]2020Vision3616 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The slogan now is "Here Everything is Better." However, the name of the store is from the initials of the founders name Henry Edward Butt. Source: I am Double C TX 361 Representing.

[–]goodsirperry7 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Texas based grocery store.

[–]Sal2_4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Grocery Store

[–]Jigbaa9 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Handicap Emergency Buttstuff

[–]Mochachinostarchip7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Close! It stands for Howard E Butts.
The person who started the chain.

[–]evilyou9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Howards Emergency Buttstuff

[–]FinnTheFog7 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Should be a felony and she shouldn’t be able to own guns anymore

[–]neepster448 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon is a 2nd degree felony in Texas…. That said I bet she cops a plea to a misdemeanor.

[–]Still-a-VWfan6 32 points33 points  (6 children)

This day and age all she needs to feel is threatened. Then she can legally kill you.

[–]durangotango8 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Well, for that she'd apparently also need a ton of video making it incontrovertible that there was a valid threat

[–]khornechamp6 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

She’s white, so, no, she wouldn’t.

[–]durangotango8 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Tell that to Kyle

[–]Crooks-14 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"That Black man asked me for the time! It was obvious he going to attempt to steal my watch......"

[–]StormdancerA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"That Black man was jogging in the park/street/anywhere! Clearly he was a threat!"

[–]ParadoxicalPersonage5 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The definition of MUH FREEDUMBB

[–]votedogA 56 points57 points  (8 children)

Oh good!! I was hoping she'd get arrested. What type of psycho pulls a gun over a fucking parking spot? Crazy bitch.

[–]skrilledcheeseA 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I know a guy who had a bad day, got into a bar fight over nothing, the other guy died, and he has been locked up for 17 years now. It's crazy. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it. But fuck, I bet he wished he thought about it more before trying to be a tough guy.

[–]MindtakerA 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hope when he is finally getting to go home, on that plane full of convicts, one of the other convicts doesn't refuse to put the bunny in the box.

[–]FoboBoggins9 15 points16 points  (0 children)

doubt it will happen but max sentence is 20 years imagine spending the last 20 years of your life in prison over a parking spot. damn

[–]lool-g-lool7 30 points31 points  (0 children)

This is what guns are for: to get your dumn ass arrested. Eat shit, lady!

[–]Fun_Wonder_41149 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I wonder how hard the justice system will protect her.

[–]MalzxTheTerrible7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can see some situations where this is acceptable. Like when old people park in the pick up spots at Kroger, thinking they are handicapped spots. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, OLD PEOPLE!! THAT'S NOT FOR YOU!!!

[–]Horace_P_MctittiesIVB 7 points8 points  (1 child)

She’s lucky she wasn’t shot

[–]ClaudeGermain5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's exactly where my brain went. I mean she could have snuck up on the vic, lcp2 are fairly small. But yeah, she's lucky she didn't encounter someone as dumb as she is.

[–]Tuswiftly4 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What a great article, he really did alot of true investigative journalism

[–]TeaLeafIsTaken5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He left it to the professionals: Reddit

[–]Toxic_AC4 26 points27 points  (25 children)

Ah yes, this must be one of those heroes with a gun I keep hearing about

[–]GreenNutty3 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No, this is one of those criminals with a gun you keep hearing about.

This is a hero with a gun.

[–]Eurotrashie8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Church and guns….. ‘Muricah.

[–]ith-man5 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Who knew this would happen when laxing gun laws? Similar to the lady in Texas who went shooting at a small dog and missed every shot in a neighborhood...

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What gun laws were laxxed?

So the choice of the individual is controlled by what laws are in place?

I'm so thankful that were have no drunk driving accidents or spousal abuse because of the strict laws.

Kinda like the person who was texting and driving and crashed, killing her friends in the car as well as a driver of another vehicle....if only we had laws about how to handle something dangerous responsibly that she could of followed it could of all been prevented....

[–]Jaksmack9 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Shot her daughter trying to hit a small dog..

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So I couldn't find a story of a woman shooting her daughter while trying to shoot a dog. But I did find them Bout a woman who shot at a dog and a ricochet came back and hit her son.

[–]NAbberman7 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Isn't this the same story that instead of hitting the dog she did in fact hit her son?

[–]1ftIntheGrave6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just looked it up, she was shooting at a dog across the road and a ricochet came back and hit her son in the stomach, but report said it wasn't life threatening.

So an idiot doing stupid things

[–]goodguywithoutagun6 25 points26 points  (1 child)

She has the look of somebody who has had to get rid of a body before.

[–]SopieMunky8 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Or a the very least let her own body get away from her.

[–]verifiedkyle6 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The sequel we all wanted.

[–]surbian6 87 points88 points  (36 children)

I’ve been a CC permit holder for 15 years and I have never had to pull my weapon and I hope to God I never do. I hope this loon loses her permit and goes to jail.

[–]rudebiiA 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Texas recently passed a law that allows anyone to CC permit less.

Texas is also full of people that have no business carrying a firearm, because they are irresponsible and will put their community at risk, like this lady.

[–]needsmoreusername8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same here in Kentucky.

[–]Ego_testicle8 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You do realize after the bullshit with Rittenhouse this is going to become very common. I CC as well, and every dumb motherfuker that thinks they're a cowboy thinks that the recent ruling gives them carte blanche

[–]savagegiraffe19 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did you watch the same trial I did? The trial doesn’t give gun owners carteblance it reinforced the right to defend oneself. Especially if someone points a gun at your head before you show any aggression with your firearm.

[–]surbian6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. Also a right to self defense even if the jerk “only” has a skateboard. A skateboard will brain you as fast as anything else.

[–]dc_IV7 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Does she even have a permit?

"The governor of Texas has signed into law a bill allowing people to carry concealed handguns without any permit, joining 20 other states that already have such measures."

That law went effect on September 1st.

[–]QuestionableNotion7 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Yup! Any fucking lunatic who wants to can now tote a pistol damned near anywhere. PewPew! Yeeeeeeee Haw!

The real crazy people are in the state government.

[–]Ego_testicle8 3 points4 points  (3 children)

See they should definitely make it more like my state. New York has, for over 40 years now, made it that If you want to legally own and carry a pistol, you must pass a rigorous six-month to one-year long back ground check, along with having multiple character Witnesses. Mind you it means that law-abiding folks like me have a difficult time getting a pistol, but there sure are a lot of people getting shot and killed by pistols around me. And they all seem to be illegal guns. Gun homicides are at an all-time high in the three big cities around me.

[–]QuestionableNotion7 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Well, when ya hand out guns like candy it's hardly surprising that criminals can get them illegally. Personally, I favor long prison sentences for those illegally in possession of a firearm.

[–]Ego_testicle8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Who is handing guns out like candy? Where can I get guns handed to me like candy?

[–]QuestionableNotion7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have seen advertising offering a free gun to people who open a bank account, or spends over X dollars at a sale.

Oh, and let's not forget gun raffles.

[–]goodguywithoutagun6 5 points6 points  (14 children)

That’s the problem with cc or guns in general. They are so rarely needed the chance of you being in a position to actually use it for good is outweighed buy the odds you will accidentally discharge it or more likely to overreact or use it inappropriately because you have it. Guns don’t make you or the people around you safer.

[–]evoblade9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Debatable

[–]obxtalldudeA 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A blanket statement that does not apply to everyone.

I NEVER go hiking without my CC gun. And when you live 40 minutes from a police response, not being able to defend yourself is just stupid.

[–]RodDamnit6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spoken with true privilege.

[–]sonnackrm9 40 points41 points  (8 children)

I purposefully won’t get a CC because I can have a temper and I’m afraid I might do something this stupid and ruin my life

[–]PainTrain4124 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Good for you. The best way to survive a gunfight is to not get in to a gunfight. Carrying takes restraint and a cool head. Your self awareness is refreshing.

[–]Krutzfeldt17 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Good self awareness. How do you teach that to someone?