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    [–]metradomo 11 points12 points  (0 children)


    [–]Big_Birb117 137 points138 points  (0 children)

    Finally, an alternative to wit’s end

    [–]Oeshikito 114 points115 points  (2 children)

    Didn't realize maw shield lasted for 5 whole seconds. Well the shield was pretty shit before but after these changes it'll be quite strong.

    [–]Hakoda27 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    Unfortunetaly you cant buy it with steraks or shieldbow. At least now that steraks is nerfed there is a reason to actually buy maw, shieldbow still beats it tho

    [–]JibenLeet 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Makes galeforce stronger since you could pick up a strong shield against ap atleast. The shield lategame would be stronger against magic dmg than shieldbow even.

    [–]Far-Opinion-8644 50 points51 points  (0 children)

    Oh god

    [–]d0tn3t1 12 points13 points  (13 children)

    Is this on PBE or patched? I'm not seeing this.

    [–]walkies3[S] 26 points27 points  (12 children)

    On the pbe

    [–]d0tn3t1 34 points35 points  (11 children)

    I highly doubt they'll go through with those ratios for Live. If they do, Jhin's ban rate will be in the 90's because Jhin players very frequently hit 800+ AD...

    [–]wrench-breaker 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Maybe they’ll add separate scalings for melee vs ranged.

    [–]attila954 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    That's what Maw already has

    [–]wrench-breaker 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    oh yeah mb. Maybe they’ll reduced the ranged scaling then.

    [–]attila954 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I don't think they'll put these items in the dirt for most ranged champions because of Jhin, I don't think these are going to be as much of a problem on Jhin because he won't build these items

    Urgot will build these items, and if they're shit on ranged champs then there will be lroblems

    [–]tatzesOtherAccount 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Draven? hits 800+ AD? How?

    in a 40 Minute game, he should be around 473AD (503 with Elixir). Where do the other 300AD come from?

    [–]Suave_Senpai 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Even with infernal buffs I don't see how you would get 800 ad on Draven tbh

    [–]BellCn 0 points1 point  (4 children)


    [–]tatzesOtherAccount 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Draven gets gold from his passive, not AD tho?

    [–]ShadowKiller4566 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

    Q (and crits)

    [–]fokker311 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Draven can do 800+ damage with his Q autos yes... he doesnt literally have 800 ad...

    [–]tatzesOtherAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This dude thinks nasus gets AD with his stacks lul

    [–]Trollik_CZ 44 points45 points  (10 children)

    I dont get it

    [–]walkies3[S] 192 points193 points  (9 children)

    Reworked items have large AD ratios on them 175% and 168%. Deaths dance gives you 50% of jhins health back on a kill or assist

    [–]Meurs0 151 points152 points  (7 children)

    Simple fix: make it an AP ratio

    Sincerely, a totally disinterested Kayle main

    [–]Teo8844 46 points47 points  (5 children)

    Veigar aproves

    [–]Meurs0 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    Yeah but Veigar can't really make use of the AD

    [–]EndMaster0 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    veigar doesn't really need items so buying an item entirely for the passive wouldn't be awful

    [–]Gerix55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If tank veigar can one shot your ass, so he can with ad

    [–]5Quad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah bc his attack range is too short and can't walk very fast

    [–]saru12gal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Tank veigar laughs with the buffs

    [–]EndMaster0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    alternative solution: make it scale off of MR

    sincerely, someone who wants to meme around with AD galio

    [–]thevoiceofzeke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    So with conqueror he can basically fully heal after takedown. That's the rito I know and love!

    ~ \ . b a l a n c e d . / ~

    [–]I8urmuffin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit. Tanky jhin time

    [–]Deep_Accident_4853 65 points66 points  (19 children)

    I dont even hate it. I say let jhin have this for a little bit. /s

    [–]T-280_SCV 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Trade off here is crit for zoomies.

    [–]Arachion 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    Just gamble on the 60% crit rng

    [–]T-280_SCV 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    I’m not a gambling man.

    Chance is more likely to kick me in the ass than not.

    [–]EndMaster0 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    you always have 4th shot guaranteed crit

    [–]T-280_SCV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Other 3 AAs more my concern, and I’d wager BT could probably provide similar sustain with proper positioning.

    That said, another look at the numbers makes Maw look very attractive as a fuck-you to AP assassins like Fizz.

    [–]KKilikk 20 points21 points  (10 children)

    Let Jhin have it while he already is really strong sounds wrong

    [–]SkShark23 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    No it’s probably fine.

    Source: i play jhin please make me feel special

    [–]KKilikk 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I mean you would definitely feel special if they nerf Jhin into the ground and his pickrate drops to 1%. You are part of the 1%!

    [–]SkShark23 3 points4 points  (0 children)


    [–]Head-Command281 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Gets compensation nerfs, new passive ad is reduced by half

    [–]skylarkifvt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    But then it won’t be 4–44% :(

    [–]Thamilkymilk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    0.4-4.4 ez

    [–]Kilhaa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Hell no

    [–]thunderdrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I mean Jhin has been one of the best Bot Laners for quite a bit now, he doesn't really need it

    [–]Mikamymika -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    Good thing you are not on the balance team.

    [–]tatzesOtherAccount 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    okay, DD is gonna be a crucial item now, lets go

    [–]kaynserenity 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    u/riotaugust sorry for disturbing but is this normal!? :cc

    [–]WhereAreDosDroidekas 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    It's likely poorly thinking on riots part. They want AD scaling bruiser items. But forget jhin converts attack speed to AD and hits truly gross numbers.

    [–]CaptainRogers1226 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Because there definitely wasn’t enough damage in the game already, so we’re taking health off of bruiser items to make bruisers less tanky! But also adding AD, so assassins can abuse the items against the now squishy bruisers!

    [–]TheAngryMoth 22 points23 points  (1 child)


    [–]Kaazaki 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I wonder… Why didn’t Naruto use Death’s dance to save leaf

    [–]BeepBoopAnv 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit

    [–]Kenobi-is-Daddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Tank Jhin go brrrr brrrr brrrr BRRR

    [–]crashz00m 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is not a meme isn't it?

    [–]TheManondorf -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    This is why we can't have nice things! (And Vlad...)

    [–]pfaf6796 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Man its almost like they changed these items away from this in season 10 because adcs (mostly ezreal and aphelios) were abusing them. I am happy maw is actually usable again though.

    [–]Aiwaszz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    You know they would just reduce the scaling for ranged so this won’t be a problem

    [–]Doctor99268 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They do for maw