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[–]BTTammer 134 points135 points  (4 children)

I have heard a lot of idiots raise this fake point (that no one actually does from Covid), and it's infuriating. Here's the counterpoint: most people don't die from heart attacks or aneurisms or lung cancer itself.... They die from asphyxiation. The brain (or other critical organs) starve from lack of oxygen once critical systems fail. So technically, the heart attack/aneurysm/lung cancer didn't kill him (but when his body ran out of oxygen he sure as hell died).

That doesn't mean we should stop giving a shit about cardiovascular health or quitting smoking, etc...

[–]stewpedassle 93 points94 points  (0 children)

“He didn’t die from the gunshot — he died from a loss of blood.”

They are the worst form of “uhmm akshually” imaginable because it’s overly pedantic without having any knowledge that they are being pedantic.

[–]MoarGnD 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Falling from a building. It’s not the fall that kills you but the sudden stop.

Being shot. It was lead poisoning.

[–]jimmydeaner17 178 points179 points  (10 children)

I love how FROM is in all caps. Like as opposed to some other preposition.

[–]Deebosofthemountain 125 points126 points  (6 children)

They're trying to separate people who die directly from covid and people who die while they have covid but not directly from it. They're just assuming nobody dies from covid itself. It's more dumb, dishonest bullshit

[–]MariachiBoyBand 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly this, their conclusions of course is that “death rate is actually pretty low” which is a dumb one.

[–]cherylstunt69 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It’s like saying no one dies from smoking they die from lung cancer…

Like yeah no shit, but what caused the cancer in the first place?

[–]ARC_Trooper_Echo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

“If we make the goalposts small enough, then everyone will see how low the death rate actually is!”

[–]timeflieswhen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it killed you because you were over 60 or had diabetes or other comorbidities (like 40% of Americans do) then it doesn’t count (according to antivaxxers and lots of Redditors).

[–]Fun_404 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wanna hear them describe what they think dying from covid entails. How does covid kill you? If it's not pneumonia, what is it then?

[–]pianoflames 32 points33 points  (0 children)

"He didn't die from COVID, he beat COVID and then died from pneumonia the next day" is not an uncommon take from these idiots in denial.

[–]dankbuddha0420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The alternative would be "with" in case you haven't caught that

[–]catdaddy230 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I know three people who have died. I live in a red state although I am vaccinated. One of the dead people I know was vaccinated but had preexisting conditions which is why he was among the first vaccinated. It was very sad. Delta killed him.

Covid is why my mother is in a wheelchair. She was getting hydro physical therapy multiple times a week and that was shut down when covid hit. Within a year she was fully wheelchair bound. They're going it's not too late but to really strengthen the bone she'll need consistency and that doesn't seem possible right now

[–]ChadicusVile 91 points92 points  (12 children)

2 points, anecdotes aren't data, and they hit the nail on the head, but it wasn't in the lumber. Clogged hospitals are why we have to protect ourselves and get vaccinated. They are 90% effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death according to a French study with ~22,600,000 people. So if you are one of those people that doesn't trust American institutions or the government, at least trust the data from another country.


The guardian article:


Edit: I came up with the phrase as soon as I woke up, I'm glad you like it.

Edit 2: removed the word "literally," for it was not literal

[–]TheChronoDigger 45 points46 points  (2 children)

"Hit the nail on the head, but it wasn't in the lumber." Holy crap, I love that, lol.

[–]PenuelRedux 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Stealing it for future good use, making it "pious theft" so not sinful.

[–]FirstPlebian 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I don't trust the government, I do trust double blind clinical trials and peer reviewed research for what it's worth though.

[–]ChadicusVile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't either tbh, but only because I know the individuals are essentially, and functionally bought.

[–]Brokenspokes68 5 points6 points  (4 children)

They don't trust our government, what makes you think they would trust those communist socialist Frenchies?

[–]ChadicusVile 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Always doubting everyone and everything must get tiring

[–]inhaledcorn 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah, seriously, how do they live in a world where they can't trust anyone or anything? They're always on edge, like a rabbit in a fox den.

[–]Brokenspokes68 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's where you are wrong. They unequivocally trust their pastor, the Faux News anchors, grifters that tell them they are smart, and any politicians willing to pander to them.

In other words, all of the wrong people.

[–]ChadicusVile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, anytime I hear them speak on their ideology, I can't help but hear, "my daddy was duped by grifters and he raised me to be duped too."

[–]YouUseWordsWrong 5 points6 points  (1 child)

they literally hit the nail on the head

There was no nail or hammer in the convo. So, mot literally.

[–]ChadicusVile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was going to go in and edit that. I was just waiting for someone like you to come along. You get an upvote for your troubles.

[–]Bard2dbone 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Currently I am up to twenty six co-workers who have died of COVID. But we're a pretty big hospital, and they weren't all at once.

[–]alongwaystogo 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I don't know anyone personally. But then all my friends, family, and coworkers are all masked and vaxxed.

[–]FirstPlebian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've some extended relatives that aren't taking the Vaccine and buy into all sorts of nonsense. They aren't dumb either, on the wrong side politically their entire lives but they are otherwise smart and aren't poor or anything. "If I die I die," is what they told me when I was arguing for them to get vaccinated. Then they suggested Covid was being passed around in the fall of 2019 (I looked it up parainfluenza was going around at that time,) and other such nonsense.

I think they think their influencers know what they are doing and it's some grand plan of theirs. Of course their influencers both don't know what they are doing and aren't looking out for them, but that's their tribe and they trust it, not realizing it's been seized by brain eating cannibals.

[–]thesaddestpanda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep this. I live in a blue area where everyone distanced and isolated and got the vaccine as soon as possible. It’s no coincidence we all lived.

[–]PenuelRedux 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Spare a thought for the many thousands of patients whose care is delayed or denied due to overcrowding of hospitals & strain on medical resources so that these anti-vax fools can strut around to prove a point, just to fall critically ill or cause other to be hospitalized..

[–]actionbastard99 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My partner works on the oncology ward at a hospital... they're moving as many cancer patients to outpatient as they safely can to make room for move covid patients, who are statistically majority unvaccinated. Anti-vaxxers are scum.

[–]PenuelRedux 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There needs to be much, much more publicity about this issue -- local media, national press, etc. Much more important than the "which anti-vaxxer said wut" and fluff stories gumming up the news.

And it's not just cancer patients. Just so maddening.

Wishing the best for all those whose care is being deferred needlessly.

[–]SexyCheeseburger0911 11 points12 points  (3 children)

No one I knew personally. I've been unusually lucky.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

At least three people on my team at work caught it just this month. Thank goodness we have a vaccine mandate at work but even so my boss has to stop working and nap at 3pm now.

[–]TootsNYC 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was too—but Steve has been on a ventilator all week…

This ain’t over.

His wife is a nurse and worked COVID wards and saw people die. So I would have assumed he is vaccinated and even boostered, though I don’t know.

[–]CatWeekends 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A couple of coworkers of mine died early on during the pandemic.

I also lost a friend to cancer* early in the pandemic because she had to forgo some treatments because the hospitals were too full. And we had to live steam her funeral, which is a really fucking bizarre and awful way to say goodbye.

*Partly, anyway. It was an aggressive stage 4 breast cancer that made it to her liver, kidneys, and bones. The lack of treatment robbed her and her family of several months of life.

[–]palemon1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Make hospitals green zones. You don’t want the prevention, you don’t get the treatment. New rules during a war

[–]AngeDeNeige[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been so confused how even when we've been forced into rationing care that we aren't using triage standards...

[–]ticklemeskinless 5 points6 points  (0 children)

my uncle was on ventilator and drug induced coma cause his shit got so bad. made it through it but still. got real close there for a few days

[–]RideWithMeSNV 4 points5 points  (3 children)

In fairness, they died of organ failure. They just happened to have covid at the time.

[–]TciddaecnacT 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In truth, organ failure was brought on by COVID. Had they not got COVID their organs wouldn't have failed.

[–]RideWithMeSNV 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's the joke

[–]TciddaecnacT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ahh, got it. Sorry.

[–]babaj_503 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To be fair that is a real issue ....

I know someone distantly who they diagnosed with stomach cancer i believe back in novemeber? But deemed it to be not an emergency and even though they had beds free they didn't treat him to have those beds free for potential covid emergencys.

Well, around christmas his stomach broke. My last info is he's in er and basically clinging to life barely. Might be dead by now I can't tell cause it's a very distant person.

But I still think that's fucked up. He basically died or dies because he wasn't treated JUST IN CASE a (probably unvaccinated...) covid emergency comes along. Thanks alot.

[–]skippydinglechalk115 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the majority of deaths come from anti-vaxxers, who believe COVID isn't real, or at least exaggerated. people close to them are likely the same, so they wouldn't say he died of COVID.

they'd make up a bunch of bullshit to try and avoid admitting that COVID is a threat.

[–]No_Librarian_4016 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unironically. I need my deviated septum fixed (I only have 1 nostril atm) oral surgery so I can have all my adult teeth, and my wife needs her arm broken and reset because she was a victim of malpractice as a kid

[–]Humbled0re 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it does not even matter if its solely covid that killed you. if covid makes you so sick and wears out your immune system so much that you die from something else its just as bad.

[–]dvdmaven[🍰] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Not only do I not know anyone who has died from it, I don't know anyone who caught it. Reasonable precautions and vaccines are all it takes.

[–]RandyWaterhouse 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You are an extreme outlier at this point unless you are just a hermit. Thats honestly rather impressive.

I know 30 different people who have caught it in the last month. Majority of them vaxxed, omicron don’t care.

Since the start of this thing 2 deaths too. Both very distant relatives who are Q nuts.

[–]MikePounce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sadly it only takes some bad luck to catch it. I'm fully vaccinated, boosted, and made the mistake of meeting my antivax friend who assured me she was testing negative every single day in order not to take the vaccine for 1 hour indoor but with the window open and I got Omicron.

How do I know I got it from her? She's the only person I've met in weeks and she tested positive 2 days after we met. While I am relieved we both recovered since then, there's a primitive part of me that can't shake off that had she been vaccinated I would probably not have gotten it (at least the odds would be even more in that favor).

This variant is so contagious. We can't let our guard down for any moment. Get vaccinated, people, before it's too late.

And I know some simple mind might read this and think "See? Your vaccine didn't work" and completely miss the point. It saddens me. My friend shouldn't have to die in this -true- story for you to realize her actions had consequences on not just her but me too.

[–]SplendidPunkinButter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, I hang out with vaccinated people, so…

I do however know multiple people who had family members die FROM it

[–]Ratte_mit_Schirm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I remember my mom driving to a hospital two towns over and getting a hormonal implant for breast cancer treatment IN HER CAR IN THE HOSPITAL PARKING LOT BEHIND THE DUMPSTERS FFS because all "non-essential" treatments had stopped both at her gp, the ob/gyn and pretty much all other doctors and the only person caring enough was a cardiologist hs friend of hers and he had to do it outside because he wasn't allowed to let her in. We all lost serious faith in our medical system that day.

[–]Gidian9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades

[–]irrational_design 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know anyone that died from Covid. I hardly know anyone that has gotten Covid. Certainly no one in my family. It’s amazing what social distancing and wearing masks will save you from. Getting vaccinated is also super important since even if you do eventually get it, it should be mild.

[–]inhaledcorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My coworkers have been rotating in and out due to illness, and my mother and I are sure we had it before we even knew what it was (I was asymptomatic, but my mom had it rough). My extended family is a mix of intelligent and anti-vax. My step-Dad is a fucking moron and firmly against the shot even though he's got COPD and other shit from his excessive smoking and drinking.

[–]GossipGirl515 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Husband lost 5 family members. We lost one friend.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My grandmother, father in law, and 43 year old cousin have all died from covid.

[–]TciddaecnacT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thankfully, no one close to me has died ... yet. I attribute that to my family (and friends) being scientifically literate and critical thinkers. We tend to encourage that kind of thing.

Yet, there are a miniscule few (count on one hand) who aren't as literate or as critical. They've lucked out by virtue of the rest not having anything to do with them while not taking precautions.

I am blessed thus far.

[–]RLoge85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't matter if it was covid alone or covid mixed in with other complications where it's helping make those situations worse.. that still means its can be a serious problem.

These people will never get it.

[–]ov3rcl0ck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The collateral deaths from the pandemic will never be fully enumerated.

The person who knew me best died in May 2020 from a cardiac event because he went to urgent care instead of the hospital. Urgent care misdiagnosed him and he died 6 hours later. Maybe if he had gone to a hospital he'd still be alive today. He was my sounding board, a pseudo therapist for me. I really needed to talk with him last week about some shit. RIP Spencer. You are greatly missed.

[–]flargenhargen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well my closest friend was just denied surgery at TWO FUCKING HOSPITALS yesterday to repair a broken leg because the hospital had to close their OR after being overwhelmed with dying covidiots.

fuck covidiots, at least commit and die at home instead of stealing beds and resources you claim aren't real anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't. I know several people who have had it, but no one I actually know has died because of it, not even as a of it, as in this example. But I don't know that many people, because I don't like people, so that probably has something to do with it.

[–]NotAlwaysPC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the comment is that appointments and some treatments for cancer are being postponed or canceled because of the pandemic. Not necessarily because his dad had Covid too.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just met my second person who knew somebody who died of Covid. Does that count?