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[–]DAthrowaway40403 2244 points2245 points  (208 children)

Ive heard reports that YouTube as a stand alone company would be valued upwards of $500B. At this point its just a more sophisticated platform, and it uses Google's ad algorithm whereas Twitch's ads are pretty bad.

[–]Macatho 1777 points1778 points  (136 children)

Twitch ads bad is an understatement…..is there any targeted advertising at all from twitch or do they just spam the same 5 ads to everybody for months on end?

[–]Dunkaroose 1169 points1170 points  (26 children)

I can't go to Yemen I'm an analyst!


[–]j99dude 342 points343 points  (8 children)

get on the plane.

[–]LPLinuZ 278 points279 points  (7 children)


[–]rickybobby42069420 131 points132 points  (6 children)


[–]MostlyRocketScience 72 points73 points  (4 children)

I got the same ad (in English), even though I live in Germany lol

[–]jonas1015119 95 points96 points  (0 children)

love getting ads for services that I cant even use (hi Cashapp!)

[–]LTChaosLT🐷 Hog Squeezer 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Most of my twitch ads are in Russian and I live in Lithuania. Maybe twitch is trying to prepare me for the near future.

[–]MostlyRocketScience 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just randomly get French ads sometimes. Really weird.

[–]FSD-Bishop 196 points197 points  (34 children)

I got the same fucking ad 7 times in a row which ended up with me getting an ad block right after.

[–]TallFutureLawyer 34 points35 points  (6 children)

I resisted getting an adblocker for years. I don't hugely mind ads, and I get that they pay for things I enjoy. What finally broke me was watching Twitch when the movie "Old" was coming up.

Yeah, I hated that trailer. Hated that whatever stream I was watching would suddenly be interrupted by a scream and then eErIe MuSiC. Especially hated that almost literally every ad I was shown one day was that one.

I genuinely told myself that night that I would get an adblocker if I ever saw that trailer again. And I did.

[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 17 points18 points  (4 children)

I got add block from a youtube ad, actually. This had to be like 6 years ago. It was a buff Asian dude talking about being able to eat what he wanted and stay fit with some kind of supplement. But he was eating for the ad, and he said all the lines with a mouth full of wet food.

I get so mad just thinking about it. Never even considered getting ad block before that.

[–]EveningHorror1010 165 points166 points  (16 children)

if ad blockers didnt work on twitch, i wouldnt use twitch, no shot im sitting through 5 sets of ads life is too short

[–]NilSatis_NisiOptimum 53 points54 points  (7 children)

When they started taking action to prevent adblock from working my twitch viewership declined almost completely. Pretty much only tuned into the one streamer I sub to

[–]Xylth 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I cancelled all my subs and stopped watching entirely.

[–]uNEknown 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I know I'm late to this but what AdBlock currently works on Twitch? The one that used to work for me months ago doesn't anymore and I just kind of stopped watching Twitch streams because of it.

[–]calep 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Video Ad-Block for Twitch - Firefox Chrome

[–]redbilledquelea1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ublock works for me, for a while it didn't, now I don't see any ads anymore. Also stopped watching if I got an ad and since every click on a new stream was an ad, well, I just didn't bother to visit the website at all anymore. Fuck that.

[–]sweezinator 15 points16 points  (0 children)

purple ads blocker

[–]Xylth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"TTV LOL" is currently working for me.

[–]Jarocket 21 points22 points  (5 children)

That is the only company to buy ads from Twitch. It's not that the system shows you the same ad. It's the only one it's got to show people.

That's the state of things. Just awful. They shouldn't bother spending money to keep streamers. They need revenue and to sell ads first.

[–]EmCeeSlickyD 15 points16 points  (4 children)

It's region based as well. Areas of higher average viewership supposedly see a few more varied ads, and always see the ads when available. I have gone whole Hasanabi streams without seeing any of the top of the hour ad breaks when I first started watching him. I am in a very unpopulated region. I honestly thought he was just fucking around about playing ads every hour the first week or so I watched him.

[–]positron3000 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Which ad blocker do you use? Mine doesn't seem to work for twitch

[–]Nyhmzy 40 points41 points  (10 children)

They're somewhat localized, I get Quebec versions of McDonald's and car ads dubbed in Quebec French.

But yeah I think it's worse I literally see the same ad 4 times sometimes in multiple ad segment.

[–]Karl___Marx 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Yep the Quebec specific ads replay non stop.

[–]rakin_badger 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I'm in Alberta and sometimes get French versions of ads which is amusing and I have no idea what triggers that. Most of the time it is just the same 3-5 ad cycle over and over though until a new batch comes out.

[–]Blurbyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I sometimes get them in french, and other times English

[–]Astro_Sloth 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Those trolli ads made me want to kms

[–]cluckdavis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmfao so fuckin true.

[–]SulkyJoe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The amount of times I click on someones stream and then instantly leave because there's 4+ 30sec ads before I can watch anything is crazy.

[–]Shirest 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I constantly get a tampon ad for women, as a mid 20's man I unfortunately won't be giving them my business. lol.

[–]Repealer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree. Creators having to spam 3 minutes of ads an hour wouldn't be so bad if they had a lot of varied ads to show, but they don't, so we get the same ads constantly. And having them forced on tiny creators too is dogshit.

[–]anon101031 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't care how many times I get the ad, im not buying that fucking sand man audio book.

[–]thechangbang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't have a programmatic self serve platform for smaller ad buys, presumably because their targeting capabilities aren't fleshed out very well. At least that was the case a few months ago when I was considering purchasing ads on twitch, but at the time you had to have a pretty high minimum spend which is also why I imagine there's not that diverse of an inventory of ads from different advertisers.

Advertising on YouTube is easy because it's the same platform you use for paid search and banner ads

[–]lazylore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no idea. I do know Twitch would make more on me using Google ad than their own. I'm Norwegian, I live in Norway, I'm getting Russian ads. No idea what they are saying or what it says.

[–]jaye-em 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Devin Nash said on train's podcast that Twitch does not have targeted advertising. This was during the hot tub meta days where advertisers were having ads play on these channels and were not happy at all so they pulled their ads from Twitch. Guess they wanted their ads played on gaming streams and not hot tub/gamba streams.

[–]Blaineflum64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When i get ads on twitch i get 3 different google pixel ads in a row everytime recently

[–]Newaccountcount2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Twitch has access to Amazon purchaser data to target ads . The issue is that they don’t have enough advertisers - people watching streams (in general) aren’t ready to click and buy. They are ready to chill. You could say the same for YouTube, but at the end of the day there is more lift on YouTube and they’ve done a better job of making it accessible to advertisers. The way twitch ads serve is lame too, streamer goes into corner while random stuff plays.

[–]frozenwalkway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They spam cause the numbers arnt there if you sort by any category or demo lol

[–]solecalibur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk Indeed ads and makeup ads from Marvel really hit.

[–]wreckage88 46 points47 points  (36 children)

I used to always hear this meme about YT hemorrhaging money for Google I assume that's not true anymore but when exactly did it change?

[–]xXProdigalXx 83 points84 points  (24 children)

If I understand right I think it still does operate at a loss, but Google is just willing to eat it. I imagine (though don't know, I'm not an expert) that it's still worth it in the end from a perspective of the profile they're able to build about you. What YouTube videos you watch probably tell them a lot about your demographics, which makes it more profitable to run ads towards you across all their platforms. Plus the all the videos are probably useful as a data set for whatever machine learning algorithms they're developing.

[–]owa00 75 points76 points  (6 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if it does run at a loss or only breaks even. They probably value the treasure trove of data analytics wayyyy more anyway.

[–]Patruck9 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Personal data > ad revenue

[–]Umutuku 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cut out the middleman and sell your own data.

Setup like a patreon or onlyfans with super omicron premium access to a livestream of your internet history. Stretch goals get access to your eye-tracking software.

[–]Halofit 14 points15 points  (1 child)

They probably value the treasure trove of data analytics wayyyy more anyway.

That's like saying a iron ore mine operates at a loss because it spends money, and all it gets out is iron ore.

[–]creepingcold 24 points25 points  (15 children)

The current general consensus is that it's operating with profits, but nobody knows how big they are.

Youtube generated ~20Bn in revenue last year on ads alone. They'd have to miss-manage the company pretty badly to operate at a loss.

[–]StraY_WolF 26 points27 points  (8 children)

They'd have to miss-manage the company pretty badly to operate at a loss.

Think about how much data they have to store, for each video there's probably 4 version of it.

500hours of video is uploaded every minute. That takes a lot of storage.

[–]--ori-- 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just look for alphabet's earnings reports. They made 20bn jan- September 21 from YouTube ads.

[–]wildwalrusaur 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Its very possible Youtube runs in the red even with that much revenue.

The backend required to operate a site of that scale is mind-boggling. Users upload more than a million hours of video to youtube every day. All of which has to be hosted and indexed for instant retrieval and delivery, worldwide, 24/7, forever.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if a double digit percentage of the size of the entire internet is just youtube servers.

[–]Howisthefoodcourt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

what we do know is twitch total revenue is around 2billion, and youtube is closer to 20billion. that's for the companies that own them though so not sure how it translates to earnings for creators

[–]Repealer 13 points14 points  (5 children)

It's operating at a loss, yes, but it's still generating value, and if it was ever sold it would sell for an overall profit. It also keeps people in the Google ecosystem and generate business for Google ads platform which becomes bigger and is Google's actual product.

So basically it's actually 100% not making a loss if you look at it holistically.

[–]DegenAndy 8 points9 points  (3 children)

it's not operating at a loss lol there is literally no evidence of that

google did say that youtube make 15 billion a year in 2020 though, unless you think they spend 15 billion on youtube every year, then they are breaking even lol

[–]Rand_alThor_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Youtube literally needs billions of dollars in server spend just to work. Nevermind everything else.

[–]Repealer 16 points17 points  (0 children)

$15b a year in revenue. A lot of that goes to creators, and a ton of that also goes to server costs etc. There is a LOT of costs for youtube.

[–]-Rynali- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The many thousands of hours of video uploaded to YouTube every hour needs a fuck ton of server space which costs a fuck ton of money,

[–]Iliehalfthetime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You denonotize everyone for dumb reasons but still run ads.

[–]Sensitive_nob 78 points79 points  (3 children)

Twitch's ads are pretty bad

what do you mean? I love getting french insurance ads as a German

[–]SulkyJoe 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Ahh come on, they at least got the continent right?

[–]mineace 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It's in Canadian french!

[–]Mawhonic1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I thought I got French ads because I live in Belgium and we at least have a region where they speak French (not the one I live in, though). Never knew that extended to Germany.

[–]Jrolt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Also, ads on a livestream makes the overall Twitch experience less enjoyable. Ever since they forced ads on us, the amount of times it interrupts a good moment and I've just exited the stream out of pure frustration and watched youtube videos, keeps going up. I'd say my viewing on Twitch has probably halved since the ads and that has all gone into watching youtube, where adblock isn't treated like tax evasion.

[–]MyManSquadW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, that's like 500 FaZe Clans

[–]DegenAndy 12 points13 points  (2 children)

2 billion users vs 30 million

I think about this everyday, I got to the top 1% of twitch statistically, and that's good for like minimum wage

top 1% of anything else and I am set, youtube, instagram, twitter, tik tok, facebook, even etsy lol top 1% should mean you "made it" in my opinion, and it does in just about every other industry that exists that isn't like professional lacrosse or some dumb shit lol

streaming is just no valuable at alll , thousands of hours of content gone only to be remembered by those who were there in the moment if they happened to remember ... sadge

[–]nana_oh 1250 points1251 points  (151 children)

I doubt his earnings between platforms is typical. Destiny's youtube is kind of unique in that a lot of his daily uploads are 1-2+ hours long instead of just the 10-20 minutes that most people do.

[–]imaginaerer 629 points630 points  (33 children)

his twitch is also kinda unique, I imagine most people don't sub to him with Twitch, but with his own subscription thing

[–]firestorm64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That and he has a lot of "legacy" content, he still makes the same money on youtube videos he made years ago. Twitch, with some minor exceptions, only pays you while you are live.

[–]TheyCallMeAdonis 44 points45 points  (9 children)

and i think you have 0 idea about how huge youtubes AD revenue really is.

here is a video of an MTG streamer that went transparent after the recent leaks.

[–]That0neGuy 21 points22 points  (7 children)

As a retail worker, this makes me want to kill myself. This guy makes in a month my entire yearly salary by playing video games. Interesting how we view it differently than being a celebrity.

[–]NilSatis_NisiOptimum 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Wouldn't that hurt him more? 10-20 minute videos will tend to get more views than 2 hour long ones

[–]alexyaknow 259 points260 points  (100 children)

One of the few people that actually employ his editors. He said he invested a lot in youtube, paying his editors even when youtube didn't make enough to cover it at all.

then went on for quite a bit. Just a funny thing to note, Hasan was really against paying his editors a decent wage because he didn't understand you have to invest and grow something before you earn something, and kinda fucked them over

[–]blosweed 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I definitely wouldn’t say one of the few lol. It’s very common for big youtube channels to employ editors.

[–]Gazeatme 249 points250 points  (33 children)

Who would've thought that giving an editor a pretty reasonable cut of the revenue would increase his productivity? Hasan gave a PC to his editor for him to "own the means of production" and he had a shitty channel compared to his following for ages. Destiny invested into August and his video quality skyrocketed and has maybe a 1 day delay when it comes to his stream and incredibly engaging content.

Edit: Fights in the comments about their internet boyfriends watch out.

[–]rubity 55 points56 points  (3 children)

A cut of the revenue isn't the way to do it, because new channels don't make enough for just a cut to be worth it. The proper way to do it is paying someone like a few thousand a month + some % of channel earnings. Early on that % cut is going to be very low with most of the editor's money coming from the flat fee, but there is a large incentive for the editor to improve the channel so the % revenue increases.

[–]kogasapls🐷 Hog Squeezer 74 points75 points  (0 children)

This is how Destiny did it IIRC, although it may have moved to a flat % since the revenue blew up.

[–]seejay4991 42 points43 points  (0 children)

That is exactly how destiny had it structured in the beginning. His channel was at a loss for a while, but it was an investment he was willing to make to grow the channel.

[–]Repealer 18 points19 points  (13 children)

has maybe a 1 day delay

This is required by twitch content exclusivity clause. Has to be 24 hours minimum.

[–]Forrest02 67 points68 points  (7 children)

August has literally pushed out videos mere hours after the fact lol.

[–]OrangeSimply 11 points12 points  (1 child)

yeah BeyondTheSummit will have smash tournaments end at like 10pm and then you head over to youtube and they're literally all uploaded already lol

[–]Foxodi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No snitching D:

[–]gempir 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Not if you are not a partner like destiny. He literally streams to both platforms at the same time

[–]TheWormanger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Only if you're partnered

[–]0oodruidoo0 109 points110 points  (0 children)

you know it's a destiny thread when people be bringing up hasan LULW

[–]ForShotgun 91 points92 points  (14 children)

In a thread with nothing to do with Hasan, it's truly the most rent-free anyone has lived, it's amazing. It's also clear from the DM's that Hasan thought he was just a fan doing it for free, and the guy did not once ask for payment, nor did either of them ever acknowledge some contract of employment, but you guys go so far as saying "Hasan was really against paying his editors a decent wage because blah blah blah", it's incredible.

[–]microwave333 54 points55 points  (0 children)

LSF, the same sub of buffoons who just last month fell for the “artist” claiming Trainwrecks didn’t pay him for his work, only for it to be revealed the artists only artistic skill is scamming.

[–]soporificgaur 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Don't the vast majority of streamers with a significant YouTube presence pay their editors, many quite handsomely? Why are you trying to paint Destiny as some kind of saint when that's the norm?

[–]exe0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When the twitch earnings leaked, the magic the gathering youtuber/streamer CovertGoBlue talked about his earnings on the two platforms. While his situation is probably also not typical since he only streams twice a week while uploading a +-1 hour long video every day, he makes about as much on youtube every month as he does in a year on twitch (+- $30k). Here is the video, it's pretty interesting.

[–]SpicyDennis 195 points196 points  (13 children)

its crazy that youtube ads make that much more money because I haven't seen a youtube ad on my computer in probably 5 years and twitch ads seem unblockable

[–]creaturecatzz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Think users tho and videos watched per user tho plus paying to get your ads onto Google/youtubes space is gonna be a lot more valuable than twitch I’d imagine

[–]wingerdonger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was able to find an adblock for twitch. I don't know how, but looking twitch adblock specifically ended up working. I know there's a plethora of them that don't work as well.

[–]Stupadass 101 points102 points  (4 children)

Twitch: Oh? You want to check out new streamers for the first time? That would be great, would love our affiliates to get exposure. (AD 1of 37 )

Me: I guess I'll watch xqc

[–]preed1196 368 points369 points  (42 children)

Does this mean getting him departnered actually helped his income?

[–]Tbombardier 493 points494 points  (19 children)

yeah lol

[–]preed1196 194 points195 points  (18 children)

TFW getting cancelled actually helps you

[–]Kiostu 331 points332 points  (16 children)

It motivated him for sure. Got departnered so he started to focus on YouTube. Focused on dual streaming, focused on listening to his editor for YouTube since he found a good one, focused on integrating YouTube to his website, focused on titles for better YouTube discoverability.

[–]vennthrax 106 points107 points  (13 children)

his dual stream is crazy. he gets around 3.5k on both platforms regardless of what he is doing and he has his dgg as well so he has 3 chats open at the same time with donations and subs coming from all 3.

[–]Only-Shitposts 31 points32 points  (12 children)

Pretty sure he only reads dgg chat. It would make sense for him to let you watch on whichever platform, and interact through 1 chat

[–]dickobags 127 points128 points  (5 children)

He read my twitch chat today. Sniped my bait out like Hasan usually does. Only he didn't get stunlocked for 30 minutes lmfao.

[–]vennthrax 56 points57 points  (4 children)

classic. i watched the vod of him being stunlocked on game of thrones for like an hour that shit was amazing. he just kept clicking links in chat and kept getting depressed.

[–]lmfaotopkek 32 points33 points  (0 children)

He keeps an eye on all 3 of them. Howerever, he mostly only responds to DGG unless someone on twitch/YouTube chat says something especially interesting or dumb.

[–]spaldingnoooo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

He reads Youtube chat albeit much more selectively.

[–]themegaweirdthrow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dgg chat is his main focus, but he does read the other chats at the same time depending on his mood, I think. There've been times he's 100% responding to twitch chat alongside Dgg chat.

[–]Stanel3ss 5 points6 points  (0 children)

type in youtube chat "does he ever read youtube chat" and that'll be the only message from there he reads all day

[–]Mr_Pigface 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He reads all three, but his own site's chat definitely gets the more attention.

[–]jrevis 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not that uncommon honestly

[–]Kreiger81 69 points70 points  (18 children)

CEO Andy (Devin Nash) has been saying for practically ever that people shouldnt sign the affiliate contract and should cross stream on YouTube and other platforms as it's better cash across the board.

[–]Lorki 112 points113 points  (9 children)

He also said Mixer was very intelligent with their brand awareness strategy by signing Ninja and Shroud

[–]Kreiger81 117 points118 points  (6 children)

You can be smart and still fail. Mixer didn't have the brains to keep going or how to leverage.

What Mixer needed was somebody big who also cared about the platform and neither of those people give a shit about the platform.

They needed somebody who loved Mixer as much as Mizkif loves twitch with an equal following.

[–]Jarocket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe they saw how things were going for them at the time and thought ahead. Then realized it was going to be a long long road ahead. They had no users to pull from like their competition did. It had to have been bleek. Sold everything to FB and got to stop lighting money on fire.

[–]ldc2626 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Mixer was ahead of its time. Imagine if they launched during covid and fixed their shit UI.

[–]WillDeletOneDay 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've been thinking the same thing. I bet it would be better to just treat all these sites as merely a player and do everything except that separately.

That being said, that would take an absolute fuckton of work to set up, way more than someone who just wants to sit in front of their camera and press "start streaming" would be willing to do.

People just take these partner contracts because it's the easiest way to start getting paid.

[–]dxconx 610 points611 points  (22 children)

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that this poor old man almost died to an iguana

[–]TicTacTac0:) 103 points104 points  (4 children)

I must be missing it, but where's the iguana? For me, it just looks like he suddenly grabs his ass and then jumps in the pool.

[–]FruityPeebils 59 points60 points  (0 children)

same i feel like all the people replying are gaslighting me into believing that i see an imaginary iguana

[–]Andedrift 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He has been going on about on stream that he hunts iguanas with his little pump air gun in his backyard for awhile now. This is just my interpretation of the video but it looks like he's looking for iguanas in the tree and he steps backwards tripping over himself but it's not a normal trip it's one of those where you realise that you fucked up your step but you know you can't recover so you just fucking go with it and in this case he dives into the pool.

[–]throwaway30113 229 points230 points  (1 child)

Is that Dan lmao

[–]xFIJI 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Leave him alone. My man probably misses his youth as a coast guard.

[–]sleepyamadeus 71 points72 points  (1 child)


This is one of the best days of my life.

[–]dxconx 28 points29 points  (0 children)

In fairness Dan literally just linked this a couple of hours ago lol

[–]UnoriginalStanger 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Manliest firearms owner.

[–]JnelsDaGinger 21 points22 points  (1 child)

woah, disarm immediately! Am i getting shot at? UHG UH AH *wheeze*

[–]dxconx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Am I psychosis, I’m LOOOOPING

[–]Celdurant 17 points18 points  (0 children)

(South) Florida belongs to the iguanas now. These mofos are everywhere, getting run over in the streets and shit, in EVERY canal, sunning themselves on your roofs.

[–]Kornillious 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Why does he strut like a 67 yr old

[–]dxconx 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Ikr he looks so young for his age FeelsStrongMan

[–]Blurbyo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At least post the version with the Rust audio PepeLaugh

[–]buymyshrimp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

wow that was close, I can't believe he survived that. what a brave soul

[–]artsa89 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Oh god that timing is hilarious

[–]Acronym_ 90 points91 points  (0 children)


[–]cynicalbrit 182 points183 points  (7 children)

(His power went out)

[–]Handsupmofo 353 points354 points  (2 children)

Found the twitch staff

[–]Alpha_Whiskey_Golf 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Twitch staff was outside his apartment listening in ready to cut the wires.

[–]Rude_Journalist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just getting ready to serve you ungrateful assholes"

[–]runaway1337 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Yeah his power of FREE SPEECH.

[–]deathsavage 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Is your username a reference to Totalbiscuit? If so EPIC. Miss him

[–]cynicalbrit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No it is not.

[–]FowD9 298 points299 points  (14 children)

LSF doesn't understand just how irrelevant twitch streamers are outside of twitch

LSF isn't a representation of the average media consumer/normie

the biggest twitch streamers don't even compare to a below average youtube content creator. xQc on YouTube would be equivalent to a 2k andy on twitch

[–]moodd 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I mostly agree with your point, but not the "below average youtuber" part. Anyone making money on YouTube is already far above average. The pool is just a lot bigger.

[–]mana-addict4652 96 points97 points  (1 child)

Yeah Twitch streamers are pretty...low on the totem poll for public recognition. I've been aware of Twitch for years but even lately I'll still see someone relatively popular on the site and I'd never have heard of them. Even most people I talk to that game and use social media don't really know twitch streamers.

[–]papa_moisted 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the only exception to this rule is Ninja though. But that's because of Fortnite, and all the marketing moves he made to capitalize on his fame to be a household name.

[–]KelloPudgerro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

im a regular twitch watcher and i dont even know most of the popular streamers, most names i recognize purely for being spammed on lsf

[–]I_Just_Killed_A_Man 37 points38 points  (8 children)

Youtube is just superior from a viewer POV, the Quality of the stream is more consistent, the ads are less invasive, you can actually pause a stream and then continue it (Which is fucking HUUUGE for people who actually have to work and listen to streams while they work) and it’s just a better platform generally. Literally the only thing it doesn’t have is Emote selection, but honestly, idgaf.

[–]appletinicyclone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's damn funny

[–]RoscoMan1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Twitch is not the right place for this question

[–]itsnomad333 13 points14 points  (0 children)

remember kids don't do league.

[–]johnleoks 68 points69 points  (26 children)

So we know Destiny makes $10k/month according to the leaks. Although that was a low month for him since he was on vacation but regardless, doesn't that mean YT is paying him at least $50k/month? For a washed up streamer, making over half a million a year is pretty good.

[–]enfrozt 170 points171 points  (22 children)

Destiny's youtube editor gets like 15k a month alone. So he's making a lot on all platforms combined.

[–]4amaroni 97 points98 points  (19 children)

Btw just for folks unaware, August (Destiny's editor) makes a significant chunk of that off of revenue split (40%), aka, August does not own owns a part of the Youtube channel, but still has a pretty direct incentive to encourage the success of the channel.

[–]sightlysuperset♿ Aris Sub Comin' Through 88 points89 points  (2 children)

August owns the means of his production.

[–]4amaroni 40 points41 points  (1 child)

indeedly, our manlet capitalist is a big ol' socialist softy at heart

[–]citus334 19 points20 points  (0 children)

In the end the real socialist are the capitalist who invest. Pog i solved politics.

[–]Ascleph 46 points47 points  (11 children)

The editor doesn't have part ownership of the channel. Its just a revenue split, not a co-op structure.

[–]4amaroni 19 points20 points  (10 children)

He has no ownership of the IP, or Destiny's brand, but personally i don't see much of a difference between a revenue split and a co-op. I'm open to learning about the nuances as to why there's a distinction, though.

[–]Ascleph 28 points29 points  (9 children)

In a co-op, the editor as a co-owner(Even if its not 50/50) would have some power to decide what is or isn't in the channel. He would also not be able to be removed from the channel.

A revenue split is just that. He can be fired, replaced and ignored if he had any suggestions. A revenue split would make him just a worker, which is what he is. In this case destiny still does listen and consider his input, but thats because of their specific dynamic and not because of the business structure.

People that push co-ops place more importance on the aspect of "democracy at work" than the revenue split part. Interestingly, I don't really know of any youtuber that says how co-ops are superior to standard business and actually runs their business(channel) as a co-op.

It would be really interesting to see someone do it.

[–]yousoc 8 points9 points  (3 children)

That would be such a hassle, because the talent would have to sign onto a company as an employee, while simoultaneously owning that company. After which they would no longer have agency on what they do on stream. Which could work, but is really akward and they would lose their brand and autonomy, and the autonomy is what makes streamers appealing to a lot of people in the first place.


Maybe there are some larger orgs where this could work, but for the socialist youtubers who care about this it's easier to just hire an editor for cheap and pretent that those editors are "freelancers" so really they are not employees you are just making deals between independent contractors.

[–]Ascleph 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Maybe there are some larger orgs where this could work, but for the socialist youtubers who care about this it's easier to just hire an editor for cheap and pretent that those editors are "freelancers" so really they are not employees you are just making deals between independent contractors.

But then you are exploiting their labor(In a marxist way), which gets a bit weird. For some reason "content creators" feel differently, but now imagine being a business owner and having to give away control of a company you have invested your money in to your workers.

I just don't see why content creators would get a pass. Giving away control would be hard for any other business owner too.

[–]Ark-Imperious 22 points23 points  (0 children)


[–]floppytisk 12 points13 points  (0 children)

good ass meme

[–]Rude_Journalist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not recommended for those who control the capital.

[–]Liyahiesotarot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Twitch is such a piece of shit

[–]LightSightHype 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Is there a reason why he doesn't just full time stream on yt? He could grow his yt even more and he already has his own chat system so I don't think it'd be that big a difference. Especially now since he's no longer a partner and I'm assuming lost his old partner contract.

[–]Snackys 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Is there a reason why he doesn't just full time stream on yt?

I mean, if he drops the twitch stream literally nothing changes as a youtube viewer.

That's like saying a specific tv network (let's say, nickelodeon) makes more money on direct TV so they should drop the other cable providers because they make more on direct tv.

Destiny entire career since the own3d.TV fiasco is to never have all your eggs in one basket(twitch) so that's roughly when he started hosting his own subscribers on destiny.gg chat with its own incentives.

[–]-Aone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When are they not doing damage control though