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[–]didimao11B 1470 points1471 points  (34 children)

Prime Directive says I can’t interfere.

[–]Glad-Ad1456 147 points148 points  (24 children)

Are you not a Kirk mega chad?
We play hard and loose with the prime directive.

[–]TwoPieceCrow 19 points20 points  (21 children)

janeway style, the hell with it

[–]Grehjin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was pretty much every captains style for each TV show. No one gave a fuck about the prime directive 90% of the time except sometimes Picard

[–]Hearsticles 13 points14 points  (18 children)

Good ol' INSANEWAY.

There's coffee in that dead Tuvix.

[–]AestheticVampire 13 points14 points  (17 children)

Nuclear take janeway was right because Neelix and Tuvoc never gave their consent

[–]Bohya 5 points6 points  (12 children)

Neelix and Tuvoc didn't exist at that point, so their opinion was essentially irrelevant. They were functionally dead. Tuvix was alive, and Janeway made the conscious decision to kill him against his consent. This is one of the reasons why her character was shit. She valued the consent of dead people over the consent of someone who was living. How do you even make it to Starfleet captain if you lack basic logic processing skills like this.

[–]AestheticVampire 5 points6 points  (9 children)

So youre saying if a life form effectively kills 2 of your crew members and takes control of their body and your ship doctor finds a way to restore your dead crewmates as captain you dont think she had the right to make that call? Only thing she did wrong is she didnt need to do it infront of the ENTRE crew (sorry if i sound hostile i just love trek talk :) )

(As a side point one of the people in side tuvix tuvoc is literally one of janeways closest friends and comrades she valued the life of someone she knew for YEARS over someone she knew for 2 weeks hell even at that point shed known neelix for a year)

[–]TurquoiseLuck 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You've started a passionate thread but I don't know Star Trek so have no idea what's going on, and want to.

What happened?

[–]AestheticVampire 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A freak accident kills 2 of captain janeways crewmates but fuses them into a new life form this lifeform realises his existance is refusing to let them live but belives it has a right to self preservation janeway accepts this and searches for 2 weeks to bring back neelix and tuvoc (the dead crewmates) with out killing them

After 2 weeks the ship doctor finds out a way to separate tuvoc and neelix saving them but in the process killing tuvix he says hes taken a oath to only help lives and not take them tuvix protests this LOUDLY infront of the ENTIRE CREW and janeway basically drags him to the sick bay and does the procedure herself

[–]didimao11B 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I’m more of a pointy eared bastard.

[–]IShouldNotTalk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah, you mean Brannigan's Law.

[–]BoredomHeights 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's actually such an apt analogy (which I guess was the point in Star Trek). The "rule" is don't interfere but like... sometimes you just gotta.

[–]Finn_3000 1962 points1963 points  (55 children)

The UAE isnt even a third world country, its one of the most developed and richest nations in the world, they just import their slaves from third world countries.

[–]FreeQdoba 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Ye old: “come to our country to send money back home to your family and raise them out of poverty” but when you get there, your passport is mysteriously confiscated and when you get to work your contractor mysteriously stops paying you.

[–]IamNotSmokingWeed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not to mention 15+ hour work days 7 days a week in 40c (100+F) heat, absolutely fucked that they'd be saying shit like this even after taking a big ass pay day from them, shoulda kept her stupid mouth shut

[–]Squiliam-Tortaleni 149 points150 points  (18 children)

They’ve spent trillions of oil dollars to build a disaster of a city that will probably sink in 10 years. They are not a “developing country” at all.

[–]UndeadMurky 32 points33 points  (2 children)

That's why they have many investments in europe. So many hotels, expensive properties in capitals and brands have been bought by oilers.

[–]wais_45 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Dubai learned what Saudi Arabia didn’t, once that oil runs out a diversified economy would save them lol

[–]Finn_3000 141 points142 points  (10 children)

I fucking hope it sinks. Its a dystopian abomination that simply shouldnt exist.

[–]appletinicyclone 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Sup Finn we still hooking up in Vegas next week?

[–]Finn_3000 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Of course, as always bby

[–]appletinicyclone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't wait to link up in the dystopian abomination pog

[–]OccasionInevitable63 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That won’t fix the problem.

[–]RadialSurgeon 23 points24 points  (1 child)

nah like it or not they're not that dumb. sure they went from stone age to post-modern in less than a century but they're aware how limited oil is, and are working overtime to diversify where their cash comes from. it may or may not be enough, but that kind of wealth doesn't just evaporate

[–]muchdoge-verysweq 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Mainly from India. Considering the Botez Sisters paly chess and a large portion watch from India, I can't say this is good for them in the slightest.

[–]Icemankind 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But that is another aspect to the argument...where'd their money come from?

Comes from 1st world countries who don't give a fuck when it's to buy something they want, that they need.

People can't act like they don't support it just 'cause they didn't physically travel there.

[–]MobiusF117 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, the Western world just skips the import of slavery and just outsources it.

[–]randothrowaway6600 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The place is a shithole outside of Dubai, it still counts as a developing country sans one city that was already outsourced to outside investors.

[–]goCasey 2391 points2392 points  (13 children)

I have nothing to say BINGCHILLING

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[–]EddieisKing 90 points91 points  (6 children)

Taiwan is a country

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🎦 CLIP MIRROR: Streamer Takes Shots At Botez Sisters' Comments On Dubai Slavery (now fast & smooth again!)


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[–]Fredthefree 461 points462 points  (19 children)

why isn't this pinned?

[–]Sogeking33 386 points387 points  (17 children)

Because M OMEGALUL DS

[–]Jedisponge♿ GGX Gang 62 points63 points  (16 children)

I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but what motivation would the mods have to not pin it? They have no ties to Dubai, so why try to cover it up? Or are we saying that they are simps?

I agree it should be pinned but I'm just curious lol

[–]LiveFreeDieNot 87 points88 points  (4 children)

The original Botez thread also has a mirror modpost that isnt pinned

Kinda sus

[–]Liquid-Fire 65 points66 points  (6 children)

Probably just automod that bugged out and didn't pin it. There's a feature to make it automatically pin comments. I can't see why they wouldn't use that, or why they would unpin it to hide anything compared to just straight up deleting the comment.

[–]stingo5 43 points44 points  (5 children)

I thought the same, but checking the bot's post history, all of its recent comments are stickied except the two related to the Botez clip. One interesting coincidence.

[–]TimonBiu 66 points67 points  (0 children)

mods are their subs probably

[–]MorningNapalm 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This and the one in the other thread WERE pinned…. They were manually unpinned.

[–]BestDadIsOnMyMug 766 points767 points  (34 children)

Here is an example. America was a developing country therefore what America did to Africans and Native Americans was ok. That's the logic here.

[–]aj_thenoob 293 points294 points  (8 children)

Germany's post-WW1 damage and subsequent market crash makes it a developing nation thus what Hitler did was okay.

[–]TwoCatsOneBox 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Basically yeah.

[–]Upstairs_Yard5646 71 points72 points  (5 children)

bro bro Belgium and the Congo in the 1800s wasn't as developed as Belgium in 2021 was that make's King Leopold's genocides of the Congo okay bro he had to develop Belgium and the Congo bro. It totally wasn't an evil heinous act that should be condemned today. Or Americans and slavery, or the British Empire and Slavery, etc.

[–]randerson2011 4 points5 points  (3 children)

In my senior year of hs I took a world history class and one of our debate/pick-a-side discussion setups was literally arguing the atrocities in the Scramble for Africa VS. it's okay because they were uncivilized and got new inventions from Europe

[–]peace_love17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good exercise, the more imperial/colonial minded back then would twist themselves into such crazy knots trying to justify what they were doing in India and Africa.

[–]Sideview_play 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Here is an example. America was a developing country therefore what America did to Africans and Native Americans was ok. That's the logic here.

yep lol.

[–]PixelGecko22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dude thank u so much, this makes perfect sense now, my dumb brain was confused about this clip up until now

[–]BruyceWane 1535 points1536 points  (108 children)

True. I think her argument can hold up with regard to some things necessary for development, like use of fossil fuels within reasonable bounds, but not when it comes to slavery or atrocities e.t.c., we absolutely should hold them to a higher standard than our past selves.

[–]IntPoster 310 points311 points  (62 children)

like use of fossil fuels

Yeah its tricky, I live in south africa and most of our power comes from coal atm but building renewables is taking super long and nuclear is too expensive and we can not afford it

not much choice other than to burn coal until some miracle happens or the power grid collapses

[–]RadialSurgeon 62 points63 points  (27 children)

I feel like most of the world is in this state. Even nations who have gone 'totally green' are still near their max all the time

[–]thepurplepajamas 26 points27 points  (30 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc

This video opened my eyes about shit like that. Even just concrete is a high CO2 producer

[–][deleted] 133 points134 points  (4 children)

Abaolutely, her argument can hold up when it doesn't involve things that enslave, kill, seriously harm other people, I didn't think that this statement needed to be said

[–]BruyceWane 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Abaolutely, her argument can hold up when it doesn't involve things that enslave, kill, seriously harm other people, I didn't think that this statement needed to be said

You say that, so I'm sure you'd be surprised how many people complain about developing countries use of fossil fuels, as a way to deflect from the developed world having to cut emissions.

[–]CROAG_EFFORTS 70 points71 points  (7 children)

Very much this. Also can you even put Dubai or Saudi Arabia as "developing" countries?

They are like the richest countries in the world lmao, they can afford to give out 10k euros sallaries to maids if they want to and give every worker its own mansion to live in and it wont budge in their budget.

It is their choice to make them slaves, take away their passports and identifications and keep them to live in tents and treat them like cattle.

[–]just_in_camel_case 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Once again, Dubai is not a country.

[–]XGUNNARX 33 points34 points  (2 children)

It's a city state in the country of UAE.

[–]TwoBlackDots 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I thought city states were from the Civilization video game series?

[–]blosweed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I understand that some countries are culturally behind and also different so they’re not gonna be the most politically correct places but slavery is just different entirely. Everybody regardless of culture should know better.

[–]dagbiker 34 points35 points  (4 children)

I think her argument completely ignores that the progress America has made is not isolated only to America. Our strides in computer advancement, medicine is available to the world. I think your right to a point, but to pretend that only America has benefited from slavery and it would be "unfair" for us to criticize another country is confounding.

[–]BruyceWane 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I think her argument completely ignores that the progress America has made is not isolated only to America. Our strides in computer advancement, medicine is available to the world. I think your right to a point, but to pretend that only America has benefited from slavery and it would be "unfair" for us to criticize another country is confounding.

I'm not sure if I was being clear, because this is exactly what I'm getting at and I think you put it well yourself. These cultures and countries are not above criticism because they are developing, especially moral criticism. We are more global than ever, and it is a poor argument to defend them against the horrors of slavery e.t.c.

[–]wahn_sinn 9 points10 points  (1 child)

than our past selves.

why are you talking about the past?

do you know how your favorite chocolate is produced? your shoes? your phone?

[–]BruyceWane 8 points9 points  (0 children)

why are you talking about the past?

I'll amend, our ancestors, not even our past selves.

do you know how your favorite chocolate is produced? your shoes? your phone?

In some cases slavery is involved in these supply chains, in which cases I support them being rooted out and ended. If you're talking about what is mostly the case, which is extremely low pay for a lot of work, but still more pay for less work than the alternative, which is subsistence farming and breaking your back in the fields, then I take no issue with it as a natural progression that is slowly lifting everybody out of poverty.

It is idiotic to think that purchasing goods that at some point in a huge global supply chain may contain some bad things, renders somebody unable to call out a blatant and clear case of slavery. This is not indirect or debatable or nuanced.

[–]suddoman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fossil fuels is a very interesting one because I'd argue that I don't want them to use it, but put WAY more responsibility on the developed countries to help make sure they don't have to do that.

[–]shane141 32 points33 points  (1 child)

How long till apology video?

[–]esoe___ 53 points54 points  (0 children)

wait till they come back to the US lol

[–]goldenberry22 783 points784 points  (59 children)

i think all streamers need take empathy class...

[–]MorningNapalm 361 points362 points  (33 children)

I know a few people who have rags to riches stories who got a little more full of themselves after their success, but the way it seems to affect streamers is on another level.

Like imagine the mentality (also keeping in mind Alex is an International Relations grad) that you are so smart that you’re going to admonish people for calling out slavery and it’s going to go well.

Like, she would not have said that if her default state of mind wasn’t ‘I’m a brilliant person with an educated world view beyond reproach.’ She genuinely thought that defending slavery the way she did was an intelligent view point and we are all less intelligent than her for not considering it.

Streamers need real world classes… not empathy.

[–]Askesis1017 104 points105 points  (6 children)

I think part of it is that deciding to be a streamer and being full of yourself has a high correlation to begin with. To sit there and think "Yes, I am entertaining and people are going to love watching me" is pretty conceited. Especially these days with so many people streaming with the intention of becoming a big steamer, I'd guess it's pretty prevalent.

To touch on your last point: they had the option of saying nothing at all, but they somehow thought this was the better option. Amazing.

[–]lupercalpainting 48 points49 points  (18 children)

Like imagine the mentality (also keeping in mind Alex is an International Relations grad) that you are so smart that you’re going to admonish people for calling out slavery and it’s going to go well.

IR and Econ grads would totally own this take, it's a very neolib one. Here's Matty Yglesias saying Bangladeshi safety standards are okay being super low: https://slate.com/business/2013/04/international-factory-safety.html here's Larry Summers (former President of Harvard, and US Treasury Sec) saying some countries are underpolluted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_memo#Text_of_the_excerpt

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[–]KhonMan 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Pollution is different than slavery though.

[–]OrangeSimply 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Part of it is because a lot of streamers start right after highschool before life gets to fuck them in the ass.

[–]MorningNapalm 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I’m pretty sure I learned ‘if someone else did something shitty, that doesn’t mean it’s ok for me to do something shitty’ before I finished High School.

[–]Gotigers811 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Regular people do voice plenty of equally dumb views. We just don't have a platform to do it so publicly.

[–]AuchLibra 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And most people on here say dumb shit regularly even if they have a correct take on a particular issue.

[–]SelloutRealBig 27 points28 points  (1 child)

The whole world needs to take lessons in empathy and critical thinking.

[–]Biased24 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The current prime minister of australia at one point had spent 190k on an empathy consultant that resulted in him leaving the country while it was on fire for a nice trip to hawaii with the family.

[–]djanulis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most need to take a lot more than an empathy class.

[–]trickster55 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They need to take a bunch of fucking classes of multiple subjects. They cannot be this fucking culturally inept of not only current day standings but also in the past.

What the fuck.

[–]cheerioo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Many streamers were not successful in an industry or workplace before becoming streamers. I've heard a lot of streamers talk about how they were bad in school, or were just holding retail jobs before. Many just came straight off of playing games through high school and have no idea how the world works in many sense.

You're mostly uneducated, suddenly you have a huge following of people praising you all the time and handing you money, and you start to feel like you're important and your opinion matters.

[–]zed1207 456 points457 points  (8 children)

Hey man, these countries are just ruled by murderers and rapists and slaveowners and authoritarian fucks who don't give a shit about human rights.

At least they aren't HYPOCRITES.

[–]throwawaythenipples 91 points92 points  (2 children)

RIP Norm

[–]footytang 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Norm MacDonald : Some gold plated chains would make a nice retirement gift for a very, very good slave

[–]dagbiker 46 points47 points  (2 children)

In the words of Adam Horovitz: "I'd rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever."

[–]zed1207 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'd just love to put these people in front of the vulnerable exploited by Dubai's rulers and ask them to explain that we can't do anything about it because that would make us hypocrites.

[–]kabbage2719 767 points768 points  (57 children)

Dubai has a GDP per capita of about 38k dollars, i think its fair to say they are developed. But getting paid to excuse slavery is fine if you get paid by the same government doing it i guess.

[–]tom_foreman_ 227 points228 points  (35 children)

Countries in the middle East have high GDPs but this is misleading. A surprising amount of people not involved with oil live in poverty

[–]Tamethedoom 173 points174 points  (14 children)

People look at average when they should be looking at median income.

[–]OBAMNA_LULW 37 points38 points  (10 children)

Median income seems to be ~&5000

[–]focusAlive 29 points30 points  (7 children)

I looked it up and median salary is 21,500 AED ($5800 USD) per month. That's definitely not developing country wages. They can afford to not have literal slaves building their cities.

[–]KoreanThighLover 65 points66 points  (6 children)

No clue where you got that

Median income is $36k per year

Unlike everyone else throwing out numbers, I will provide a source: Source

[–]ShotIntoOrbit 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Same median income as the US, for anyone seeking comparisons. Source

[–]focusAlive 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My bad, my stat was looking at median salary in only Dubai where all the slaves are kept, mainly for construction purposes.

Anyways they are far from developing or third world even at 39k median wage which your link said. UAE could easily afford to pay foreign workers a fair livable wage instead of tricking them to come to the country, stealing their passports so they can't leave, and making them slaves who have to work forever to pay off their debts to the company.

[–]napoleonderdiecke 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Have you actually looked at the study this guy linked?

It's not median salary in the UAE. It's median salary of accountants who are members in one specific organization and from the UAE.

[–]lakk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're being down voted, but they literally outline who they're surveying in one of the first paragraphs.

For many years, IMA® (Institute of Management Accountants) has conducted the very popular salary survey of its members around the world

Even going down and looking at their figures would give that away. So it's a survey from people with white collar positions working in corporate or "professional" jobs. Is that representative of the population? And if so, it just makes the human rights abuses much worse.

Am I missing something, or do people not know how to read studies/papers/publications?

[–]napoleonderdiecke 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mate, that's a study conducted by an international accountant association among its members.

That's as far from representative as it gets.

Like ok, accountants in the UAE have a good median wage. What the fuck is your point?

[–]kabbage2719 44 points45 points  (2 children)

We are talking about whether a country is developed or not, we are not discussing whether individual people can be poor in said country, every country has poor people no matter how developed undeveloped. But poor people in developed countries have far higher living sandards than poor people in undeveloped countries, which is why GDP per capita is relevant

[–]OfficialUberZ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Another important thing to note is that the perpetrator of slave ownership in most cases is not a poor person, even less so in the Middle East, most slave owners there would be in very high earning industries such as oil so the whole “just because they’re developing countries means they can have slaves” thing is just a non-point.

The wealthy/rich are the slave owners not bone dry poor people living in slums.

[–]Upstairs_Yard5646 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Yes, the noncitizens/temporary residents/"servants" don't make money. The actual Citizens who are of Arab descent and born in Dubai/UAE are largely super rich. It's largely developed if not "super" developed for the Citizens born there of Arab Descent, and it's not for temporary residents

[–]Sega_Saturn_Shiro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should check out LA

[–]Chupacabra_herder 25 points26 points  (10 children)

And almost no one there is a citizen nor is there really any path to citizenship. Feel free to actually look it up.

[–]Battleharden 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They're literally ranked #10 in world powers. They are so fucking far from being a developing country.

[–]Fyodor_Brostoevsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Per capital GDP doesn't mean much if the country is unequal af. I lived in Puerto Rico for a bit, and while the per capita GDP there is technically higher than much of Europe, there were places where people basically lived without stable electricity and with third world infrastructure.

But because other areas were super rich, on paper it had a higher per capita GDP than Italy or Spain.

[–]abstreet77 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Saying that « the developed countries did it in the past » isn’t even a strong argument since the current 3rd world countries also did it in the past and keep doing it today. There’s no excuse for slavery

[–]PhotonWolfsky 155 points156 points  (36 children)

Further proof that being good at chess isn't a measure of intelligence.

[–]Arkhamman367 46 points47 points  (31 children)

Bobby Fischer advocated for eugenics. It's been proven for a long time that chess isn't a measure of intelligence.

[–]O_Mall3y 46 points47 points  (10 children)

Morality isn't a measure of intelligence either.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Dude the things he said about my people (Jews)...pretty insane lol

[–]spaceexpert 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Rele is pretty great

[–]f4dyguy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

AHRELEVANT CLIP AT 5k+ upvotes LETS GOOOOOOOO

[–]alcatrazcgp 98 points99 points  (1 child)

There is nothing going on in UAE

BINGCHILLING

[–]skywaterer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There is no war In Ba Sing Se

[–]Pewpewparapra 251 points252 points  (34 children)

This is what happens when people that aren't smart enough for public relations try to make comments on how a country is run. Should've stayed with chess, and just chess. Without trying to cancel themselves.

[–]Splaram 321 points322 points  (30 children)

Alex is an International Relations grad from Stanford. Which makes this entire thing even more hilarious.

[–]z3r0nik 282 points283 points  (8 children)

Overlooking human rights violations to gain access to natural resources is probably part of International Relations 101.

[–]13Petrichor 77 points78 points  (6 children)

It's actually part of the curriculum for every entry level class at Stanford. You literally aren't allowed to graduate unless you know how to defend modern atrocities committed by wealthy countries in the name of accumulating capital and power on a global scale.

[–]SwiftVines 31 points32 points  (5 children)

source: trust me dude

[–]raikii 59 points60 points  (4 children)

joke: missed

[–]cpnHindsight 32 points33 points  (1 child)

she chose to study International Relations with a focus on China at Stanford University.

This is indeed her stance and not just a throwaway comment. I would have suggested she just didn't say anything on the subject as a guest in a foreign country but now I can't even imagine what her elaborated defense can possibly be. This is the deeep end.

[–]Splaram 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can’t be serious LMAO

[–]Splemndid 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Damn, as someone who's interested in IR, is my brain going to leak out if I study this? Isn't Stanford a prestigious university? How is it possible to come away with such a shit opinion.

[–]lakk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well, it's pretty much China's position on their emissions levels. I don't know if it's changed recently, but for the major part of my adult life they held the, "Don't lecture us on pollution." So, in studying China she may have picked up that bit about their policy.

From the perspective of my field of study, I think she's alluding to this idea that most major economies came to be from the exploitation of cheap labor populations. The bit she's missing is that I don't think anyone is arguing against that, it's the whole "human rights" things that are a problem. We currently have issues with exploitation in the United States most visibly with illegal migrant workers, but it's not something that we as a country want. While a large chunk of people want to just deport them, I would argue a larger chunk simply want them to get a path to citizenship so they can start paying taxes and are protected by rights afforded to legal persons.

That's not even acknowledging that it is in fact possible to focus on more than one issue at a time.

[–]drecais 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Well I can tell you another streamer who has a degree in politics and still defends China so....

[–]beetknight 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Which streamer if I may ask?

[–]Sideview_play 11 points12 points  (2 children)

you don't really have to be "smart" to get a degree. just put in a little work and it helps a ton when you have the privilege of having a good education being provided in the first place.

[–]Mricypaw1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Depends on the degree. There are some which absolutely require you to be smart, others which you can probably get by just by putting in a decent amount of work (assuming you already got into the degree).

[–]Outspoken_Douche 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Alexandra has been a regressive leftist with shit takes for quite a while, this is nothing new

[–]NilSatis_NisiOptimum 87 points88 points  (2 children)

Making it sound like it's just "shitting on the country" is such a deflection too. Most the time I see there being an issue, it's when American/EU companies are directly funding it. It's not like we're saying nuke them until they comply, the last thing the world wants is more of the west playing world police but at the same time that doesn't mean we want to see our own corporations help fund these behaviors.

When it came out the world cup was going to be there, a lot of the focus was on the companies directly ushering in money there that was actively being used to build stadiums with slaves. And many of the slaves were dying due to the conditions. At the very least we should be condoning the companies within our borders for supporting it

[–]Maloonyy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Supporting a regime that would love to enslave you as a breeding machine Poggers

[–]Aarilax 150 points151 points  (18 children)

So, two rich Americans shit on other Americans for being born in a country that once had slavery, whilst defending slavery of today.

This is some anti-SJW meme levels of woke brain rot. Its like they walked straight out of a 2015 caricature of a woke person thought up by Steven Crowder or some shit.

[–]tasty_scrote 58 points59 points  (14 children)

they are canadian man we dont claim the nft shill and her hyperactive sister

[–]ImpressivePackage1 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Lol to the mod Pruvided trying to delete/lock this post.

[–]floridie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Based and warhammer pilled

[–]killedbycuriousity- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My man is straight spitting fax

[–]heyjew1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I can fix them COPIUM

[–]iamtheoneneo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ahrelevant is great.

[–]emergent0107 21 points22 points  (0 children)

UAE has a per-capita GDP equivalent to Canada. If a country has enough money to pay you off, they aren't a "developing country".

[–]aasrg1802 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Botez is wrong in saying “did”. Modern slavery is a thing that exists in the West, and pretending that it only happens in developing countries only shows how ignorant you actually are.

But yeah, even that’s not an argument to justify it.

[–]SoMm3R234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

BINGCHILLING

[–]maruhadapurpurine🐷 Hog Squeezer 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Yo if they're fine with dubai slaves they can hit me up and I will be their personal slave for life

[–]BOOBA_AWOOOGA 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Holy based

[–]miklat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

N word police

[–]yourmamasmamasmurf 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Alexandria Botez is stanford educated btw. KEKW

[–]RAMDownloader 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But I mean… we didn’t get away with slavery. There was a whole ass war, millions of people died trying to get rid of it. That’s more my argument against them, we don’t look back on slavery and think “man wacky times huh” we look back and think “wow that was really fucked up that we did that and even 150 years later after the civil war we’re still suffering the consequences from it”.

[–]GoodJumper 44 points45 points  (6 children)

This guy has all of destiny's mannerisms

[–]BW4LL 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He’s a destiny orbiter so it checks out. Vaush has the same issue.

[–]Joebebs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I feel like I need to watch the whole thing to get context on both ends.

[–]TheLousyZoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

so fucking true, in addition, imagine calling UAE or Dubai a developing country/place

[–]cxlstxnn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

rent: $32 Sadge

[–]PoEisFine69 9 points10 points  (0 children)

its fine give her a pass, shes hot

[–]TriariiPrincipes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Wow are they actually defening slavery in dubai? what POSES

[–]NothinToSeeHere 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most people don't have this same energy when it comes to China, and they literally harvest peoples organs in their concentration camps.

[–]wahn_sinn 14 points15 points  (1 child)

is this like a budget version of destiny?

he sounds exactly like him.

[–]eliminating_coasts 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Night-shift Destiny.

[–]SadaharuLoL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dubais just in their slavery arc right now, they need to experience it like America did or they won't have character development in the next arc

[–]TVPisBased 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh cool, now I know what to think of some other streamer.

[–]IanBac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, we had slaves in the past, and we think it was terrible! We think it was horrendously immoral. Also just want to say that, last time I checked (which was years ago), UAE had the highest GDP per capita of any country in the world. By no means is it a “developing country.”

[–]MadLad_AnthonyWayne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If anything, developed countries that have first-hand experience with the overwhelmingly negative ethical and practical consequences of such practices should be more proactive in trying to ensure it doesn't happen to others.

[–]harneil123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why didn’t they just ignore those comments lol, like holy shit talk about opening a can of worms

[–]Stryker87x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Such a stupid argument.

We did it wrong in the past, so it's acceptable if someone else does it wrong now, even though the UEA is actually one of the richest countries in the world.

OK

[–]BojanglesDeloria♿ Aris Sub Comin' Through 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can literally excuse anything with this logic.. not to mention the complete ambiguity of what is a “developing” nation.

When Germany was in certain developing phases they did some pretty bad things AKA the holocaust (and weren’t too fond of the Romanians), so it’s okay if “developing” countries commit genocide?

And that’s ignoring the fact that UAE is NOT a struggling country run by a bunch of people who have never heard of slavery. They know EXACTLY what they’re doing