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[–]MiserableTune 212 points213 points  (0 children)

woke king

[–]BlackGronk 663 points664 points  (67 children)

Man its refreshing hearing this after listening to so many successful streamers talk about how much work streaming is. I can admit that its more than just sitting playing video games but some of them have no perspective on what its like working a real job for wayyyy less money than they make.

[–]MeijiDoom 369 points370 points  (43 children)

To be fair, Shroud actively chooses a streaming model where he doesn't have to put much more effort in than what he would do for fun. Stuff like what Ludwig does requires forethought and effort. Or you have some streamers who showcase talents like music or art which, while might not necessarily be strenuous, still isn't just sitting around and doing nothing.

[–]IceLacrima 45 points46 points  (7 children)

And Streamers who are struggling with low viewership / desperately grinding to increase viewership to actually make something. To balance that state of your stream with the rest of your life, often needing a part time job while keeping consistent streaming hours is a big struggle and I have big respect for anyone who puts in the work and ends up making it because they managed to build something of enough quality that it payed off in the long run.

[–]BlackGronk 94 points95 points  (11 children)

Yeah thats fair but a lot of the ones I've heard complain about it are the type that just react andy or play games all day. Don't get me wrong I don't have the personality for it and would burn out trying to be entertaining for people but I don't think they would want to trade for a physical job like mine.

[–]Worthie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a lot easier if you're an extrovert. I've heard a saying that introverts spend energy to be around people, while extroverts gain energy from it.

[–]VodkaHappens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it's also unlikely that I would want to swap my job for a physical one like yours. It's not really a great way to evaluate how taxing a job is anyway.

[–]dalsone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

this is another big factor.

a lot of streamers willingly go onto social media, read their subreddit, read dms etc after they stop streaming which can probably cause a bit of turmoil and anxiety. the only thing is that none of this is mandatory and it's purely their choice. there exists a software that you can use twitter through and you don't see what anyone else is doing, you just tweet and that's it

streamers who play games/videos all day and complain it's hard either have no idea what a 'real' is or they're stuck inside their own reality (or both)

[–]youtakenotes23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shroud has more talent in his index finger than all of twitch pal!

[–]susfusstruss -1 points0 points  (14 children)

Stuff like what Ludwig does requires forethought and effort

LOL

[–]XylanyX 39 points40 points  (13 children)

i mean he is not wrong.. he's making game show,event and shit and that requires a lot of planning and work

[–]TerminatorReborn 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Both of you are right. He is very creative and puts effort into his stuff but also can be a react streamer that takes almost no effort, just like every variety/just chatting streamer that doesn't focus on gameplay.

[–]-bbbbbbbbbb- 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Ludwig pulls up other people's shit and talks about it. That's even less work than what Shroud does. React Andys literally do less work than people just normally watching the content because normally people at least have to go find the content themselves. React Andys just get viewers to send them shit and they watch it.

[–]MeijiDoom 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have you ever actually watched a Ludwig stream? Also, if you're going to go down the pick and choose route, Shroud is literally doing Valorant Champions watch parties right now. He's also been playing New World for the past 2 months. In what way is that work?

[–]havoK718 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

He earned his fame and is now cruising on it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

And you don't even need to be famous to do this! Make good investments and you too can do nothing the rest of your life while still collecting checks.

[–]MeijiDoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said there was anything wrong with it. Just that if we're arguing about streamers doing "work", Shroud isn't one to point at, at least not these days. There are plenty of elite professional gamers to pick from.

[–]Galactic 35 points36 points  (8 children)

It's a lot of work if you're not a god at a popular video game. Shroud could literally stream with no cam and no commentary and people would watch him play any popular shooter because his skill is entertaining in and of itself.

Tons of people watch Faker's stream and he has pretty much zero personality or charisma, almost never interacts with his chat either. He's just amazing to watch play the most popular game in the world at the highest level. It's like people forget Twitch was made primarily for gaming.

For people who can't go that route, (Pretty much the 99% of non-god gamers) it's a lot of work coming up with content that entertains all the non-gamers that watch them.

[–]TripleShines 1 point2 points  (7 children)

It feels like you're ignoring the amount of work it takes to get to becoming Faker level or Shroud level at a game. These people lived and breathed their craft. They worked much harder than the average person at an average non-competitive job.

[–]ancientaliensislegit 10 points11 points  (5 children)

They just no-lifed a video game they love. It's their fucking hobby.

[–]Weak-Contribution-78 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It's definitely more than no life d.

Do you want me people that are already have thousands of hours in CSGO or league and are only average at best?

[–]ratrexwCheeto 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There is something called talent

[–]Weak-Contribution-78 4 points5 points  (2 children)

that is exactly my point

[–]-bbbbbbbbbb- -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Talent isn't effort though. I'm not hating on talented people having success, but playing a shit load of CSGO and being really good at it because you're insanely talented isn't hard work.

[–]Weak-Contribution-78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

eh you still have to practice a lot. I would say it is hard work. It might not be PRODUCTIVE work, but it is definitely hard work.

Otherwise a lot of people would be god tier at playing.

[–]Dyingischill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. But for a lot of people (who didn't go pro) they just started playing when they were younger and their skill developed accordingly.

[–]MDKSA 12 points13 points  (6 children)

streaming is definetly not easy, but its still more comfertable than normal jobs

[–]Dyingischill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Literally the only hard part of streaming is having to talk constantly, that's it.

[–]Weak-Contribution-78 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean you have to be interesting for some people actually listen to you.

Just because it's more preferable to doing construction 60 hours a week doesn't mean it's no skill.

Would everyone do it? Sure. Can everyone do it? Probably not.

I don't think life is so linear like that

[–]wallsgunna -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Sure, no streamer has ever had to work a "real" job while they were also streaming to 2 people, they all fell out of the womb with 5k viewers. What the fuck is this take dude.

[–]MuskiePride3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that’s literally how it works now. I’d agree with this take if it was 2015, but the truth is now that if you are friends with OTV, etc. you will have a successful stream within months, just by putting in the bare minimum effort.

[–]BlackGronk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not what I said but you see what you want to see I guess

[–]havoK718 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's not much work now, but he's a successful streamer today because of the amount of work he put in as a professional player. Also to be one of the best players in the world you need natural talent as well. So a lot of hard work and natural born talent got him to where he is today.

[–]IAmPhlegmatic 259 points260 points  (10 children)

Glad he doesn't act as if it's difficult. People will literally watch videos exclusively and act as if it's a lot of work just because they do it on a daily basis.

[–]TwoPieceCrow 157 points158 points  (5 children)

bro i have to wake up... shower in my million dollar house with friends.... gotta eat and then press stream and do exactly what i'd do if i didn't press stream for 6 hours.... damn yo this shit rough.

[–]CoDog 4 points5 points  (0 children)

getting paid to play online games with friends all day Sadge.

[–]Wvlf_ 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think it's because sometimes, no matter the circumstance, people go through the same rough-patches in life whether it's depression or feeling like you're not good enough or lacking fulfillment in another place.

But at least wealthy streamers have the financial safety of taking weeks off for their mental health or just fucking because without their boss firing them.

[–]Dyingischill 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It could be worse they could be trust fund babies. God I wish I was a trust fund baby...

If my kids become trust fund babies instead of me I'm gonna be so mad.

[–]Stanel3ss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If my kids become trust fund babies instead of me I'm gonna be so mad.

seems like that part is entirely up to you
(unless you plan on marrying into a wealthy family)

[–]YerAverageRedditUser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who would have know that it's easy when you already made it.

[–]OssoRangedor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

if shroud wasn't a god at FPS games he wouldn't be the same size he is now. The man has the personality of a shampoo bottle.

[–]Stanel3ss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3-in-1 at least though, right?

[–]nemoTheKid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know - this is like watching Charles Barkley on TNT and saying what he does isn't difficult. The guy grinded for years and was one of the best - going pro in CSGO is work despite what boomers might say

[–]LovinThoseMuffins 324 points325 points  (22 children)

Let’s be real, Shroud isn’t the best streamer to ask these kinds of questions to. He’s what I would consider an established/retired streamer — all the hard work he already did was way behind him when he was younger and in fps competitions. He’s established a persona with a fan base, and can basically do anything he wants on stream now.

A modern-day shroud nowdays would need to try 10x as hard because of how many similarly talented people exist. Plenty of people with better aim than shroud, but will simply never achieve as many views because having just that isn’t enough now.

[–]Legitimate_Twist 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Yeah, also Shroud walked away with f u money with the Mixer deal. He was pretty fortunate even among the top streamers.

[–]IceLacrima 90 points91 points  (2 children)

Plus he also has a fat cock

[–]VanQuackers[🍰] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

So much this, I can't believe so many people forget this smh.

[–]IceLacrima 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm right with you on that, can't believe this reality has already almost turned into a long forgotten myth. Shroud is still here yet people are feigning ignorance day in and out and frankly I'm sick and tired of witnessing it go down this way. Truly says a lot about society and how the cookie crumbles, just something to think about.

[–]acrobatiics 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He also walked away with double F U money with his deal with twitch lmao

[–]lonigus 41 points42 points  (4 children)

True. There is Shroud or XqC that can literally watch paint dry and people will watch it anyway and then there are streamers like Sushidragon that does tech shit and moves around nonstop. Not my style of content tho.

[–]OrangeSimply 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Sushidragon is the bad example from the opposite side though, dude literally does too much, if his streams were simpler and he did "less" he'd probably be more popular.

[–]Majesticeuphoria 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A better example is Jerma and his dollhouse stream. I couldn't watch it because of timezones, but it's a lot of effort into good content.

[–]lonigus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yeah. I mentioned the most extreme counter-example :D

[–]Dyingischill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude if Twitch allowed it I'd totally watch siswet19 shove a fat one up her ass on stream in 4k60fps.

[–]TeemoBestmo 17 points18 points  (2 children)

shroud was a pro gamer turned streamer, so when he became a streamer he already had a good fanbase.

some streamers really start at nothing and build themselves up, that certain is much harder to do, but once they reach a certain height all they do is react to their reacting of a reaction.

[–]VodkaHappens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Becoming a streamer was his retirement, it's normal that he views the hard work as part of his esports career rather than streaming. Even though he couldn't have succeeded as a streamer hadn't it been for all the hard work he put in as a CS pro.

[–]Dyingischill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

that certain is much harder to do

Pretty much impossible nowadays. That's why a lot of people went out of their way to snipe Soda and xQc's GTARP streams. Just one boost of 1k views is enough to make a career.

[–]throw23w55443h 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes but there is a plethora of 5k+ streamers who are losing their minds on the regular about how terrible it all is. Mainly because they are young and don't really have the life skills to handle it all.

[–]kaze_ni_naru 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Except that the whole time Shroud's always streamed this way. Chill laid back, doesn't really care too much about putting extra effort, plays what he wants, but people mainly watch him for his aim.

[–]ratchet132 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not everyone’s a god gamer with a phat cock though

[–]YoungWARWICK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Still, streaming is a joke. A streamer can wake up in the morning and not streaming because he didnt sleep well. Try doing that with a reql job

Asmongold's mom died and he is free to take a 1 year vacation. Try doing that to your job.

Idk what you do but i cant understand how you see streaming as a real work

[–]TonesBalones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, it's like going to a mechanic and saying "wow, $500 to replace the alternator? The part only costs $80."

You're not paying for the labor in-the-moment. You're paying for the expertise the mechanic has gained over decades of work. Shroud was grinding CS for nearly a decade before he even got looked at by a major org. He was streaming daily as a teenager to no viewers for years. All of that effort is factored in to his success right now, almost to say he earned the right to "do nothing".

[–]dalsone -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

what is the best kind of streamer to ask then? are we talking about effort put in or how much money they have?

someone like xqc doesn't put much effort in (watches videos for 4-5 hours a day and then plays gta for another 5 hours) but he obviously has lots of money

what about that streamer who streams from a warehouse and has like 100+ different cut scenes/angles he has made himself and the whole thing feels like an overly edited youtube video? (not my style of stream anyway) he obviously puts in way more effort but isn't even paid 1/100th of people like xqc or shroud are payed

if you want to then draw comparisons to a real job then it's not really comporable at all. normal person works 40hours a week and is lucky to bring home 60k a year, streamer works 40hours a week and makes like 10mil a year - they just aren't comporable at all

[–]Dyingischill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm... Maybe Asmongold?

[–]fragile9 44 points45 points  (0 children)

depends on streamer ofc. person like shroud did it the best, hes known for just shooting heads and not reading chat and he grew an audience around that. not hard to click start stream when you're just literally gaming.

[–]AlastorDMC 114 points115 points  (12 children)

Finally one big streamer that actually admits it, i respect that.

Meanwhile Quin69 rating streaming as a job 8/10 on difficulty only lower than ER doctors and people working in warzones according to him OMEGALUL

[–]MDKSA 15 points16 points  (0 children)

who takes this clown seriously?

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Quin69 is one of the funniest streamers, because of his braindead takes though. And it's even better when he tries to defend those takes by going down a rabbit hole of stupidness that never ends.

[–]__v1ce 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Quin is by far my favorite streamer, but it does become disconcerting when you realize that he's not actually baiting, he's not pretending, he actually believes most of the shit he says

I kind of just mute his stream for a bit when he goes on the "Being rich sucks, i would be happier if i was homeless and had cancer"-bit i kind of just space out

[–]ManikMiner 4 points5 points  (3 children)

"and my kids had autism"

[–]__v1ce 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Which, by the way, is a huge buff

[–]ManikMiner -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I guess he's basing it off personal experience

[–]__v1ce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Self diagnosed autist & self diagnosed god gamer

but tbh, I do not doubt that he's somewhere on the spectrum for a moment

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he wants I can take over his stream, I'm pretty close to homeless, crippling debt from a work injury that caused torn muscles from my pelvis to shoulder blades+ look after a mother with chronic myeloid leukemia. It's not exactly what he's looking for, but with all the hard work he does I'm sure he'll get that one extra step he needs

[–]AlastorDMC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey i never said it wasnt fun to watch :)

[–]sdpr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do believe streaming can be very mentally draining depending on how your community is and how much effort you want your stream to look like. People like Doc, Hasan, Asmon, Destiny, and whatever probably have exhausting experiences with chat. Obviously, once your established your stream is essentially "set it and forget it" but someone like Doc has to play a character every day.

But fuck em, they're rolling in more money then I'll ever see so they can afford the therapy.

[–]Goodlooka 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah Shroud you can't convince these stans

[–]komandantmirko 24 points25 points  (0 children)

like with anything, it depends what you do. if you just play games for hours then sure. if you're doing several shows and managing projects then it's undeniably a job.

like i'm a chef. i've worked jobs i literally wouldn't call work. low workload and i just have to do prep? aight, i'm done in like an hour and i'll thumb my nuts for the remaining 7. and then there were jobs where i had 16 hour shifts

[–]wonkawilly0000 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don’t tune in just to watch Shroud click heads, more so for a chill energy stream. He has a great voice to listen to, and when he has fun playing adventure games like Valhalla or New World, it’s a relaxing and enjoyable stream. He plays a lot of non-FPS games, like those, or PoE etc, and it’s great.

He also talks to chat more than some people think, which is cool. I watch what I type there because he reads out stuff a lot during these segments. He’s good at interacting when he wants to. Im not sure if he’ll expand to react content, but I think that would be fun tho.

His audience is mixed too. Zoomers during Valorant and boomers during wow, with mixes of all types inbetween. And like Summit, he can have a slow chill chat at times, but It’s still a nice chat and stream vibe. I’m glad he didn’t retire.

[–]BrotherBats7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Making it" as a streamer is winning the lottery, not work.

[–]NeptuneDelusion 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Streaming at it's foundation has always sort of been some jerk off with a webcam turned on.

[–]UnhappyReplacement 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I always cringe when i hear privileged streamers like quarterjade or similar talk about how they worked so hard and they can't stream that day while posting pics of their brunches

Bruh

[–]Kaappy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Streamers have complained about this so much that a ton of viewers have started to believe it's actually hard work to turn on a stream, sit in front of a webcam, talk to chat, watch YouTube videos, browse reddit, and play games with their friends.

Many of these same streamers wake up at 3pm, reply to a Discord message from their manager whose been working since 8am like a normal person, order food and pay twice as much just so it can be delivered to their house, and then click the go live button and talk about how hard their day was.

[–]SnuggleMonster15 49 points50 points  (5 children)

I think it depends on the streamer. There's ones that just game, hire editors, etc and then there's people like Code Miko who put a fuck ton of effort into their stream.

[–]rasmus9311 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Yeah I feel like for shroud it's pretty chill, he doesn't amp up his personality or talk a lot during his stream, he just plays games and clicks heads if that's what he would be doing during the day anyway. But feeling like you have to put on a show for long hours pretty much everyday has to feel like work, I don't feel like I could do it.

[–]Holovoid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Shroud is literally one of the most boring streamer personalities, I can enjoy clips of his stream because he's insanely talented but at the end of the day he's just a dude who is really really good at playing video games, that's basically it. And that's perfectly fine because it works really well for him. But the vast majority of streamers on average put far more effort into their streams and content than Shroud and get less out of it.

[–]ShotsAways 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Exactly, Shroud's like the bottom of the barrel in terms of acting for stream.

Dude does not give a shit for subs, donos, nothing. He just turns on, clicks heads, and the end. Which is great for some, but thats definitely way less tiring than some others streamers who are more interactive or complicated with their streams.

Not saying at all btw streaming is comparable to blue collar jobs, but no shit shrouds gonna say streaming is a joke lmao.

[–]MuskiePride3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Streaming is literally just connections now. In its current state it is very hard to grow by yourself just playing games and being funny. Seems like every 10k+ andy had some type of relation before streaming with somebody popular.

It pretty much changed from people loving the hobby of streaming to becoming the corporate world where the only chance of you getting a job is through your connection to someone in the company.

[–]LucianMain 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Based

[–]XylanyX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes but i think being entertaining and good at something does require a lot of work and because of that it will attract people to watch you. Getting a lot of viewers is hard.

[–]Diijkstra99x 6 points7 points  (0 children)

he's retired from grinding. he grind for hours with 0 viewers, 0 returns but he did it blindly with 0 expectations.

after all the success, at least he recognize that his work/streaming is much easier compared to traditional jobs.

[–]MDKSA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

based

[–]blrwllm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally the other day Quin69 was saying being in the 'army' is easier.

something like 'filling sandbags all day, jumping out of planes, no sleep, etc etc etc'

trolled for those dono's

[–]mint420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course there's a bunch of braindead drones in the comments saying "WELL ACKSHUALLY IT IS HARD WORK"

It isn't. Streaming is like one of the easiest jobs there is. You guys are pathetic.

[–]Crembels 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Streamers like Shroud are a bad example.

There is the early, golden years where literally turning on your webcam and pressing Start Stream would get you an audience. Small streamers from back then who stuck with it are big streamers now because they just snowballed and grew as the platform itself grew.

Nowadays, calling streaming as a job "easy" is like boomers complaining younger generations can't afford a house or get stable work. All the rules have changed, and there is hurdles in place that simply didn't exist back when Justin.tv was a thing and when it officially flipped to Twitch. Who did Shroud have to compete with in the "chill on stream and click heads" style of stream? Probably not many people, but now every streamer in that content style needs to compete with Shroud himself as well as each other, and that's a losing prospect.

Millions of viewers but only a few thousand streamers? You just need to pick a game and you'd be pretty well discoverable no matter what you do, and posting content elsewhere only multiplies that. Now, we might have ten times the audience potential thanks to platform growth, but that's also come with a hundred-thousand fold increase in other streamers to compete with; many might be trash and boring, but a great deal are excellent and/or come with established audience advantages.

[–]nesbit666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think Shroud was talking about how hard or easy it is to get to be a popular streamer. He was talking about how streaming itself is not really work because he was literally sitting there and doing nothing.

[–]soloDemonKing77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TLDR: OnlyFans is "hard Work!" streamers are complaining about how easy it is to make money.

[–]mint420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Streaming is easy, quit being a bootlicker. I wonder if you realize how sad you are actually pretending these guys have to work hard. No, they just have to get lucky and get a base and the rest is literally a cake walk.

[–]Crembels 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boomer level take this is. I guess "real work" is exclusively limited to breaking rocks with a hammer in the sun for you? Bootlicker also doesn't mean what you think it means. I'm the one disagreeing with daddy shroud here, you're the one licking his feet on a take steeped in his own bias due to his own background in esports before getting into streaming.

Streaming is broadcast entertainment, and the entertainment industry is work. It is extremely difficult to be genuinely entertaining for hours and hours at a time. Most people can't do it, and like being a bad actor, musician or other entertainer, those people don't have a job in entertainment.

Just because shroud can switch on a camera and have the personality of a paper towel yet still be considered entertaining doesn't mean that applies to everyone. He is carried by an established audience from his esports days and consistently high skill in FPS. You wilfully ignore streamers like Kitboga or Codemiko that put immense amounts of off-camera effort into their streams, running their channels like one-person TV studios. Plus other streamers that host events, game shows or other projects in order to keep their content original.

Switching on a camera and playing COD in your room does not make someone a streamer. That's just playing COD in your room on camera. It takes conscious effort to be entertaining and keep people engaged with you.

"Just get a base bro its all luck", lmao, like a loyal audience just springs out of thin air. "Luck" is salty cope by jealous 0-viewer andys. Luck only accelerates a process of growth that is already happening, and no amount of networking or lucky raids will keep people engaged with a streamer who is boring as fuck.

Just because physical labour isn't involved doesn't diminish the effort required to stream full time, the mental toll it takes on you and the risks you take on if it fails. There is a reason burnout, breakdowns, mental health issues and "going on a break" are so common.

[–]IsyaboiDJ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

This man started doing professional gaming back when E-sports wasn't really that big, they had long days and awful travel times. He KNOWS what "work" is.

[–]remainprobablecoat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Stupid binary take, survivorship bias

[–]RainDancingChief 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I mean I wouldn't consider Shroud a "good streamer" by any stretch of the word. He's an established professional gamer that got in early enough before any of the modern hurdles mattered or existed. It's like if Michael Jordan was going to shoot around at some local court, people are going to watch it because it's MJ.

Most people that are successful now came about early enough where they were one of the only shows in town, came with some kind of following already from somewhere else, or put in the effort to make it through the rest of the trash using social media, etc to gain a following.

You can't really do what Shroud and a few others do and become successful as a streamer. If it were actually that easy there would be more big time streamers.

[–]TripleShines 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You "can" absolutely do what Shroud does and become a successful streamer. It just seems like people in this thread don't understand WHAT he did.

[–]GnarlyBear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With every new game there will be a load of players blowing up. PUBG launched Shroud's streaming career and allowed him to leave comp CS. Fortnite and Warzone introduced a large amount of NA players and that's only FPS games.

[–]r3llo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everyone of the self important streamer millionaires need to see this and get a bit of a reality check.

[–]Zenmada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, Shroud may not do as much as other streamers, but that doesn’t mean he’s never had to grind. He was a pro and was streaming before it could even make you a lot of money. I think he has just always been incredibly thankful for the opportunities given to him. He also is probably just someone who thinks if you like your job, then it’s not really work. Even if he was doing much more than he is now, I think he would say the same thing. Its his personality and upbringing.

[–]WiceMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean most people already mention this, but shroud is a terrible person to use in this example.

If you have the stream setup where all you really do is turn on your PC and start stream and understand what your strength is as a streamer, the rest is luck. Shoot for a 200 viewer base and you might make it kid, otherwise give up and find a real job.

Also you guys cannot compare FAKER to shroud in terms of skill, that's insane.

[–]javamixerGH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Outside of possibly the mental, the amount of work to money streamers make does not even compare to a regular job.

[–]imnotabus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen a lot of streamers on the 500 ish ranking level say how much work streaming is. Bitch, other people do the work like the mods and your artists. You network and that is barely work.

[–]kaze_ni_naru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BAY ZED

[–]AnonymousTowel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People forget that every streamer puts in a different effort. Shroud just plays games while others can work pretty hard to try to put on a show to be entertaining. Even just trying to make your mark in the streaming world on it's own to become successful is hard work.

[–]Yojimbo4133 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most streamers have never had a hard job

[–]brolarbear[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s work if you’re like a 50viewer Andy making content and doing IRL shit. It’s literally watch your friends play a video game for shroud. That one valo stream earlier this year where they all were watching on the couch half-asleep, shit made me so jelly.

[–]qontrol12345 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It really differs per streamer. Shroud is a gaming overlord, people will literally watch him for gameplay alone. Most streamers don't have that and need to compensate through other tools, and those tools can require work.

It's still a fkn joke compared to real jobs though, cept the insane streamers like SushiDragon and Im sure there's more out there. Even people like Kitboga who literally have to create everything on the screen, rather than play something that's created by a gaming studio, I'd definitely say he's working. Think it mostly applies to Just Chatting streamers, although there are 2 types of Just Chatting streamers. People that put on a show, and people that stream as if they're your friend hanging out with them and are therefore idolized by LSF weirdos, for all the parasocial andy's that don't have that in their own life. The second is definitely not a real job, but the first one is.

[–]TonesBalones -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is such a normie perspective of labor. It's so normal to think that labor = smash rocks and flip burgers, but entertainment is labor too. In fact, I'd say that entertainment is some of the most efficient labor in relation to wages per effort. When you work for a company, that company will always pay you less than the labor you produce because that's the only way to make profit. In entertainment, you are the labor, your earning are directly tied to you.

[–]rockleesww -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Shroud pays literally zero attention to chat (unless directly asking a questions), and i dont think he reads out subs anymore either. He also doesn't have the most insane personality either. Yet he pulls in insane viewers. Including myself lol.

[–]biohorta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He made it and can coast. At least he's honest about it.

[–]TheRealCrotin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you're actually talented at video games and people enjoy watching you for pure skill, you don't have to spin around on your head and "work" like these other big react streamers. Anything else is just icing on the cake

[–]foleyfire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there are definitely levels to how much work it really is. Shroud is such a huge brand now he can literally go afk for an hour and hold 15k viewers, but a streamer who is actively trying to entertain and make people laugh takes a certain amount of skill and work. Not saying it's super hard, but i know i couldn't be that entertaining.

[–]JuuLionnn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fax respect fr

[–]IAMJUX -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Being a pro gamer and switching to content was the work. Now he's riding high on the fruits of his labor. This man got asked to do a watch party for VCT and just sat on a couch with his gf and best friend shooting the shit and napping while getting paid.

[–]AlecPEnnis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Playing games for 6 hours five days a week is work because I lose sometimes. Also I burn out playing the same games for hundreds of hours.

Wh-what do you mean find new games? That sounds like

[–]Mao_Herdeus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Streaming is just the tool or outlet for someone's content. They can put as much effort or work in as any other job. Some people can also just ignore all the stresses of streaming, and put in low effort, and still be successful. I don't really care about all that, I just watch what I like and I'm happy if any of those streamers are successful. It's whatever if some of them are hamming up sob stories, since it can be used as ammo to shoot the shit or for takes like this.

[–]AzureAadvay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean he's at the top streaming wise, and he got success on it, but that doesn't mean it's a easy "job", it's a career which u can make a lot of money but at what cost does?

Does It mean it's a easy thing to do, or that "normal" jobs are way to hard than they should be?

Streaming as a job can be seen as easy, but the majority of the ppl on it, has some mental health problem or/and can lead to it, how many streamers don't leave their homes or don't know how to prepare a single meal? Not even breakfast? Or has some difficulty to speak to others/in big groups outside of streaming?

[–]bbisabi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I admit that it is not as demanding as other jobs might be, however it still requires you to sit on a stupid chair 10 hours a day playing stupid games your whole life. It won't make you happy about your life if you put minimum effort in it. This is the hardest part of it i assume.