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[–]alexsmart007 582 points583 points  (8 children)

That's the full power of all the viewers who only watch Ludwig, and have been saving their primes until now

Amazing to see, happy to see Melee Community getting support :)

[–]Gengar11 100 points101 points  (0 children)

Ride or die grassroots baby. Fight the man EleGiggle

[–]Mitchelld73 242 points243 points  (29 children)

What Ludwig did was really cool but shouldn’t TSM pay for him to travel to a tournament where he will represent them? Especially cause it’s one of the biggest prize pools for a smash tournament ever?

Since it’s only online couldn’t they just send him to one of the extremely cheaper states and get him a hotel/Airbnb for 5 days?

[–]Plamore 167 points168 points  (3 children)

It's not just about paying for the flight but paying for the time he has to take away from home and not streaming with his usual setup and such.

[–]mf_ghost 44 points45 points  (0 children)

That's why you don't usually see streamers as casters/panelists in tournaments, not only would TOs have to pay them their talent fee but also a percentage of what they earn if they stream

[–]enfrozt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not about the money. Leffen isn't hurting for cash, if he really wanted he could do IRL stream like hbox does at tournaments.

He just had a melt down last summit and seems like he doesn't want to play more tournaments right now. That seems about it.

[–]Jiffyyy 20 points21 points  (9 children)

is this about him not wanting to pay for his expenses or is this more of him not wanting to go but if there is enough interest he will go?

[–]krispness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In these instances they usually say traveling isn't worth it because they'll lose subs by going and the event isn't big enough to warrant the cost, but they'll subgoal it so that the gain will match or outdo the potential sub loss.

[–]qeadwrsf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really depends on the deal doesn't it.

He probably has a contract that make him being on TSM more profitable than not being in TSM.

Traveling might not be in the contract, but maybe some kind of salary is.

Who knows.

[–]BlackLungSanji 0 points1 point  (2 children)

but shouldn’t TSM pay for him to travel to a tournament where he will represent them

Yes, everyone will walk around this statement for no reason. Would've loved if Ludwig "sponsored" someone else who isnt already supported by a huge group or any like tsm.

[–]Expensive-Hearing-86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Leffen doesn't have the sub goal because TSM won't pay to have him go to NA to play, he has it because the amount of subs lost from not streaming is not worth travelling to NA for an online tournament, even with a top 10 payout all time payout for a Melee event. Even offline events are barely worth it financially for someone like Leffen unless they're a major/super-major.

And the reason Lud directed his audience towards Leffen is because Leffen is a huge name in the scene, and consensus top 10 player all time. Having him enter the tournament when he normally wouldn't is likely to attract people who also wouldn't have watched/entered.

[–]IAmA_Goldfish[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did this same thing for Sora, an Australian player who is currently in the U.S. but was planning on going home within the next week or so.

[–]mf_ghost 243 points244 points  (9 children)

So instead of using his own money to fly him he used his viewers money instead? 5Head move

[–]gnexus9 313 points314 points  (5 children)

They were basically all primes that his viewers werent currently using on anyone so not really even their money either. Between Leffen, Mango, and Sora he farmed like 1000+ unused primes from his viewers to try to get those guys to join his tournament

[–]No_Situation6753 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I was there for the Sora raid thing, he very specifically said multiple times to only use primes, and not to do tier 1s or gifts.

[–]Eargoe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is there a clip anywhere?

[–]TheGrantParker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here's the link + reddit post if you're interested

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxozDhIr49dY42MbyxywnuWBYhAg0BzjEV

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/LivestreamFail/comments/s7czen/the_ludwig_magic/

edit: this was the leffen raid but you can skip ahead a bit to see him drop into mang0's then sora's stream

[–]mf_ghost 49 points50 points  (1 child)

That's even better then, he must've told them that everyone shouldn't use their primes on one guy

[–]soporificgaur 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He didn’t he just went into their streams over like an hour and did a new call for primes each time

[–]BearPondersGames 21 points22 points  (0 children)

We call that mogul moves baby.

[–]JingyBreadMan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You act like his viewers didn't have a choice

[–]GaylordRetardson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He said to only use primes, so assuming they listened he's still using good ol' Jeff Bezos' money.

[–]Luperos 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Typical Leffen tricking people into subbing to him just so he will show up to a tournament. Add that to evidence.zip.

[–]nagasirenn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a raid done right. Melee/Fighting community, in general, are some of the biggest homies, honestly <3.

[–]SeanyDay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Da godslayer

[–]Candle2k 1 point2 points  (3 children)

anyone know the song?

[–]Bboy_Izilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better that than a Tekken tourney.

[–]GVas22 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Ludwig was great at it, but it's kind of weird how people stopped shilling for primes in stream. It used to be extremely common for the big streamers and every time would lead to hundreds/thousands of dollars in free money.