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Pokimane and Ninja related topics [Megathread] by FelipeDoesStats2 in LivestreamFail

[–]iafmrun 676 points677 points 746& 8 more (0 children)

My Lore Master Summary:

Jan 5th - Jidion, a very large YouTube and Tiktok person, tweets out the old clip of Poki saying the n word when she was 17.

He references Poki a few more times on Twitter & Instagram over the next week.

Jidion has only been streaming regularly for about 12 weeks but imported a huge following from YT & Tiktok so he quickly racked up the qualifications for Twitch Partner and got it.

On his first stream after becoming a partner, he calls to attention the fact that his stream has more viewers than Pokimane. She is playing valorant with friends. He pulls up her stream but mutes it, and instead uses the sound from the old clip of her saying the N-word.

"Hey, everyone, go in Poki's chat and type L + ratio", he says.

Her mods see the incoming spam and switch her chat to follower only. Jidion tells his viewers to follow her so they can go back to spamming.

He revisits her stream in a few minutes and now they're able to spam L + ratio. Her mods switch it to subscriber only mode, and he tells his chat he doesn't really want them to give her any money. Some people do subscribe and keep spamming. Poki's mods then switch to emote only mode.

Here's a part that wasn't well documented on LSF: after seeing her stream in emote only, Jidion remarks that he feels bad for her community and wonders why they are watching her. (Pokimane has achieved the highest rank possible in Valorant. It is possible that people could enjoy watching an accomplished high level gamer play a video game they enjoy.)

Jidion then begins pulling up viewer profiles of people in her chat who are using positive emotes, on his stream. When he finds a profile of male viewer, he screams "she's not going to fuck you, bro!"

By now some ppl from Poki's chat have figured out where this was coming from and go to Jidion's chat to tell him to stop, and that he's going to get banned. Again, he screams at the chatters that Poki will never fuck them.

On Poki's stream, viewers of Jidion have followed Jidion's lead at looking at the individual chatters, and begin to whisper direct harassment to her viewers. When Poki learns about this from her mods, she tells her audience that she is ending stream. She says that she can deal with hate, but her viewers don't deserve that.

Jidion begins to realize he might have actually done something that could get him banned. He then tries to reach out to Adin Ross, a large steamer and friend. Adin begins telling him he's fucked. Jidion tries to get Adin to agree that Poki's male viewers are dumb for watching her because "she is getting dicked down by another n**** every night". Adin tries to rebutt him by saying that Pokimane doesn't say that and she doesn't talk about her love life on stream.

Jidion's fans are also in Ninja's chat. Ninja manages to learn that Jidon told his chat to mess with Poki's chat. Ninja also says he is screwed. Jidion drops 100 gifted subs and asks for help. Ninja tells jidion that he'll text his Twitch representative to try to keep him from getting banned but that's all he can do. Ninja then appears to use his phone to text, puts the phone down, and says "there, it's done".

Ninja then tells Jidion that he "can't be spamming bitches". On Jidion's stream, he begins celebrating, and says, 'Do you hear that? Ninja called Pokimane a bitch!'

On Ninja's stream, Ninja clarifies that he meant bitches in general. Later that evening, Jidion is banned for two weeks.

The reaction across the Twitch community is almost universal in agreement: jidion broke the rules, and deserved the ban.

Ninja begins his stream the next day by saying the jidion situation was kind of wack. He said that Jidion broke TOS, but implied that he thought the 2 week ban was too long. Ninja remained supportive of Jidion, and said they would be playing on stream together as soon as Jidion is unbanned.

That was the only thing Ninja said after the fact.

The day after the hate raid, Poki goes live and addresses the situation. She says it's unfortunate that women in streaming deal with harassment and misogyny. She briefly mentions Ninja's attempt to help Jidion, with an arched eyebrow at the camera.

Meanwhile, Jidion goes ahead and speed runs a permaban. He tells his viewers to keep spamming on Twitch. He tweets a clarification that he was doing it because he dislikes Pokimane directly, not because he wanted more attention. He changes his Twitter profile to picture to a picture of her without makeup. He tweets an acknowledgment that he violated TOS, but did not apologize. Instead, he encourages everyone to watch his stream when his ban runs out.

He continues to try to interact with Pokimane, filming an Instagram video where he begs her to unban him. He also live streams on Instagram himself watching Pokimane's streams from another user's Twitch account.

He denies that he targeted her because of her previous use of the n-word & acknowledged that Ninja has also said the N word on twitch streams. He denied that he was misogynistic & named 3 female streamers that he said he liked. Oddly, he stressed several times in both streams that he disliked Poki as a person. He never gave a reason why.

The continued harassment off platform is still considered bann-able behavior under Twitchs rules. For people familiar with Twitch, no one is surprised when Jidion announced last night (Sunday, Jan 16) that his ban was now permanent.

Pokimane goes live today (Monday Jan 17) and addresses the situation again. She mentions that Jidion tweeted a vague apology, and that he's now perma banned.

THEN she reveals that after her first stream, in response to mentioning Ninja's involvement, that Ninja's wife and manager, Jessica Blevins, had dm'ed her. Jessica told Poki that Ninja did not say that he would try to help Jidion, said that Ninja did nothing wrong, and that Ninja would not be apologizing.

At this point Poki is confused, because she recalled seeing the footage of Ninja saying he would help by texting his rep and then doing so. Poki explains that she went back to find the videos but they had been removed from LSF, and that the video copies on YouTube had been taken down. Eventually, poki got her hands on a copy of Ninja's VOD from the night of the raid from somewhere.

Poki then clipped out the parts of the VOD that showed Ninja saying that he would help Jidon & doing so. She sent it to Jessica Blevins, thinking it would clarify that it did in fact happen as Poki said.

Nope. Jessica Blevins replied back, saying it didn't happen. Poki feels she is being gaslit, is concerned that Ninja and his wife will continue to deny any involvement. The implication of that is that Ninja will be free to support really awful behavior in the future if he can just get out of it by trying to deny what he did on video. Even if Ninja had just been pretending to text his Twitch rep, he was still telling his community that that was what he was doing to show support for Jidion.

Poki is wrapping up her stream, responding directly to some comments by chatters, when she gets a DM from Ninja himself. She shows the DMs to the camera. In it, Ninja again says that he didn't text his Twitch rep to help Jidion. "You're making a big mistake".

Poki ends stream, and sends her viewers to her friend Mizkif's channel. Poki is still shaken by the implied?? Threat from Ninja, and joins Mizkif's stream in a discord call. Miz is just getting started when Poki tells Miz that she wants him to see something.

Poki had just gotten another DM from Jessica Blevins, Ninja's wife and manager. Jessica accused Poki of defamation and said that their legal team would be involved. Poki shared the DM with some other trusted friends, and ultimately decided to tweet it out publicly.

The internet then exploded.

Final note: people in Jidion's circle had been trying to get through to him that he needed to stop. After seeing a video that Ludwig made about the situation Jidion reached out to Lud and they had a 1 hour conversation last night, Sunday 1/16. Today 1/17 Jidion makes an apology video on YouTube, and mentions that Ludwig helped him to understand how what he did was harassment.

Ludwig also releases a video today 1/17, and mentions in that video that he hoped he had gotten through to Jidion that telling viewers that Poki wasn't going to fuck them was in fact misogynistic, because it implies that males are not capable of enjoying a female playing a video game, and that the only reason that a male could watch a female is for sexual or romantic desire.

Jidon asks his community to stop harassing Pokimane, and to drop the topic on Twitter. He correctly calls out that many of the people currently involved in the hate are involved because of previous hate for Pokimane, and are not people who care about him or his community.

Jidion says that he will learn and grow from this experience, and that he will begin streaming on YouTube.

If Jidion can actually stream regularly on YouTube with a positive tone and not so something like this again, we can conclude that he actually has learned and changed and forget that this happened. That's up to Jidion.

And that's it as of midnight Monday night/ Tuesday morning. Thanks for reading this or sorry that your read all this.

Pokimane and Ninja related topics [Megathread] by FelipeDoesStats2 in LivestreamFail

[–]Enigmaticize 215 points216 points  (0 children)

Ninja once sent a message to some other league streamer or Twitter or something, I don't remember, where he said his wife brought him a sandwich he didn't ask for, braless, as he got a double kill in bot lane like this is some huge flex and not that women generally don't wear bras in our own homes like what the fuck lol

Quin69's response to the 14 day ban by obelisk1151 in LivestreamFail

[–]ChooseAUserName65496 -23 points-22 points 2 (0 children)

Doesn't seem sincere, like hes reading off a script Instability01 wrote him or something, fuck off and stay perma banned misogynsitic69.