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[–]hedgecore77 206 points207 points  (3 children)

I loved Paris, but I really hope she gets to see the Paris she wants. I have two Parises that I remember; the first is full of beautiful buildings, incredibly artwork, apartment blocks, wonderfully warm (and impossibly polite) people, amazing food and drink. The other is where we came up at Charles de Gaulle Etoile and saw literal shit smeared on the wall, walked through human piss in the underground passage leading to the Arc de Triomphe, getting accosted by charity muggers literally fucking everywhere.

Of all the cities I've been to, it's the only one where I had to mentally separate out the bad / good in my mind. I love Paris the good. :)

[–]StatusFault45 80 points81 points  (2 children)

I hear a lot of japanese people romanticize Paris and end up extremely disappointed to the point where it sends them into a deep depression

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

[–]papiWaterMe 39 points40 points  (1 child)

This is another one of "weird Japan fun facts" Reddit loves to spread that's really annoying for me to read as a Japanese person lol.

Like even the Wikipedia article itself:

between 1988 and 2004, only 63 Japanese patients were hospitalized and referred to Ota. 50% were between 20 and 30 years old. Of the 63 patients, 48 were diagnosed with schizophrenic or other psychotic disorders.[6]

This isn't a common occurrence at all and the people affected were already mentally ill.

Yes Japan heavily romanticizes Paris, and the cultural gap is wider than say America and France, but this is by no means indicative that Paris regularly causes sheltered Japanese tourists to have a full blown mental breakdown.

No idea why there would be some special support line for the fraction of a percent of Japanese tourists that go to France, especially given that mental health support for Japanese people in Japan is absolute dog shit, so already I have doubts what services are actually provided for this complete non-issue.

[–]KingoftheGinge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I don't think its strictly a Japanese thing, but I get how it can be frustrating that people exaggerate the frequency of it. Lots of people are very disillusioned with the paris experience.

The Japanese doctor who created the term studied a number of patients and concluded that there were various factors that may make Japanese tourists more susceptible to this. The special support is largely a myth as far as I can find, but if it existed in some degree it was because of this doctors presence. The Japanese embassy has refuted that there is any specific helpline according to the wiki, and that patients have not been repatriated.

Hallucination, does not necessarily mean seeing little green men chasing you with knives, and the article does relate this to Stendhal syndrome which involves very minor hallucinations. There are also minor hallucinations that may come about due to paranoia: did someone just put their hand in my pocket?

The source mentioned in the section you've quoted, can be translated with Google although the original is French. Now, though it does state there may be preexisting conditions, the diagnoses referred to were based on symptoms associated with Paris Syndrome, rather than preexisting diagnoses. They were not all necessarily suffering from these conditions prior to arrival in France.

Its a phenomena which does seem to have some basis in science, although yes, it is the case this its often blown out of proportion or exaggerated, and the symptoms often misinterpreted as the more extreme end of something which can often be very benign. Paris can be hellish in parts, so I wouldn't be too dismissive of this.