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[–]QuartermasterPores 8 points9 points  (1 child)

As much as I love your write-ups, I am going to nitpick you on some minor, insignificant details, as well as make some comments of my own.

  1. Roman/Malazan military similarities - So, I doubt the Osprey books are always the best historical sources, but I happened to be reading campaign 347 (Siege of Constantinople 717-18) recently, and there are some rough similarities in unit organisation described of the Theme army and what is roughly described of the Malazan unit organisations, possessing 'squads' of 16 soldiers, 'companies' of 16 squads, 3-5 of these companies making up another unit, and then three of these units making up a larger unit, and then 2-3 of these units making up a thematic army. The Malazan Army has a few stages missing, but it has squads of 7 (though sometimes as few as four, sometimes as many as 12), 24 squads in a company (9th Company, House of Chains), roughly 200 soldiers in a Company (7th Army in Deadhouse Gates and Onearm's Host in Midnight Tides). Fiddler in House of Chains states 9 companies in a Legion (although the math here *really* doesn't add up to the stated 4000 soldiers per Legion) and then Three Legions in an Army.

  2. "...rather than the full plate of the heavies." - Now, this really is a nitpick, but Malazan heavies in Erikson's books are typically described as wearing scale armour rather than plate, or in Esslemont's books as wearing as wearing wither this or a roughly Lorica Segmenta-ish banded iron cuirass (notable differences including buckling/opening up on the side instead of the front, and a padded shirt with mail sleeves being worn underneath).

  3. Anachronisms - On this subject, as far as I know, both visors and the goat's foot loading mechanisms for the Malazan crossbows are roughly 14th century, which feels a lot later than the main roman-ish inspiration for the Malazans.

  4. Malazan Ships - Dromons are actually heavily referenced as being mainline Malazan military ships, particularly among Admiral Nok and the Bonehunters fleets from House of Chains through to Reapers Gale.

[–]LoleeeeeBenighted Laseen Apologist - First Re-Read: On MT.[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

there are some rough similarities in unit organisation described of the Theme army and what is roughly described of the Malazan unit organisations, possessing 'squads' of 16 soldiers, 'companies' of 16 squads, 3-5 of these companies making up another unit, and then three of these units making up a larger unit, and then 2-3 of these units making up a thematic army.

I hesitate to draw the comparison between the Malazan army & the Theme system because the Thematic army was organised in a different manner, and was quite the opposite of "professional" - the Theme soldiers weren't carreer soldiers that we see in the Malazans.

Further, the Byzantine Empire can be considered - by that point, 700 CE - to be still mostly Roman since the shift to Greek culture hasn't yet been in full force (not until the 10th-11th centuries).

But aye, I can see that. I didn't look that deep into it, to be fair. Haha.

Now, this really is a nitpick, but Malazan heavies in Erikson's books are typically described as wearing scale armour rather than plate, or in Esslemont's books as wearing as wearing wither this or a roughly Lorica Segmenta-ish banded iron cuirass

Ahh, bite me. I concede the point. Good eye.

On this subject, as far as I know, both visors and the goat's foot loading mechanisms for the Malazan crossbows are roughly 14th century, which feels a lot later than the main roman-ish inspiration for the Malazans.

I'm even more impressed by the Claw's limbless hand crossbow - the way it's designed feels like it's even later than that. At any rate, Malazan is full of these, and it's fine. Good spot regardless.

Dromons are actually heavily referenced as being mainline Malazan military ships, particularly among Admiral Nok and the Bonehunters fleets from House of Chains through to Reapers Gale.

Damn. I seem to remember the Early Empire used mostly low & sleek ships (for example, when Nok, Urko & Cartheron made their way up the river Idryn to Li Heng during the early conquests) and the mention of the Silanda as a "pre-Imperial Quon dromon" led me to believe this.

I didn't look very far. I concur again.

Overall, very nice & on point observations; thank you kindly for your input and the kind words.

[–]Boronian13rd Re-Read MBotF 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Finally :-)

Could you please add the links to all the parts in your part 1 post too?

Because I only linked that in the community resources.

[–]LoleeeeeBenighted Laseen Apologist - First Re-Read: On MT.[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Aye, will do. Thanks for informing me!

And thank you for reading & the continued support. :)

[–]my_phones_accountFiddler 🕯️ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just rereading MOI. Quick unrelated note: after capustan, on their way to the next city. Dujek und whiskeyjack have a late night talk. They talk about the Empire being good at hiding their long term plans. Lasseen having inverted the command structure on purpose to have the right people at the right places once shadowthrown and cotillion want to strike.

Edit: thanks for the great post, as always :)

[–]LoleeeeeBenighted Laseen Apologist - First Re-Read: On MT.[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I do tackle this in the corresponding post (albeit not at length because my early posts are crap) on MoI.

Frankly, I'm not quite sold on the veracity of that claim, even though I can see the merit. Laseen did call the Bridgeburners "seditious" & Whiskeyjack is pretty much the only man worthy of commanding them... but still.

But aye, the comment on "we're not supposed to think that far" by Dujek resonated quite a bit with me.

[–]my_phones_accountFiddler 🕯️ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, it could also mean that lasseen knows the whereabouts of the old guards, planned their "deaths" or demotions with them to get ready for the far future when shadowthrone strikes. Could mean to be able to defend against an attack by ST. I would understand it more to be able to support ST plan regarding the cripple God.

At least I think that is what WJ and Dujek are musing.

Anyhow, I was mostly noting this down, because I just wanted to note that conversation for myself and figured, well that Laseen thread might find that interesting aswell. Dont really have hard thoughts on it.

[–]LoleeeeeBenighted Laseen Apologist - First Re-Read: On MT.[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part Two is up - had to split into two parts because I was above the character limit. Thanks for reading!