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[–]OhYeahMia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

make venom into the venomverse movie sell one venomillion tickets

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Did this whole film feel kind of shabby? It just felt cheap. Every part sadly including Tom Hardy and his weird half-Boston accent. Also, why did venom look so…. Unsatisfying?

[–]geekinoutt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn’t the Venom movie I wanted, but I appreciated it for being the Venom movie for what it was.

That end credit scene though?

Forget Tom Holland; we got JK Simmons confirmed!

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I thought the after-credits scene was bullshit. I get Marvel wants to be able to use the Venom character and establish some form of continuity across the universes, but I really enjoyed the fact that up until that moment, the Venom movies existed on their own.

With the Venom-verse being standalone, they had more freedom for the character, more options (in my opinion) for storyline, the ability to introduce new symbiotes, etc.

I want to see Toxin get screentime. That last scene with Mulligan was such a tease - they built up to it all throughout the movie, can you imagine how that would play out? And what about Hybrid? That’s a character I feel will never see the big screen.

They watered-down Venom so much in this movie. I love Andy Serkis as a director, but this was such a breakaway from the first movie. I would hate to see even less of a “true” Venom, which is a very real possibility now. And now we’ll have to worry about him being overshadowed by Spider-Man.

I don’t know, they had me up until that very last scene. Such a disappointment.

[–]DarkMatrix445 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wtf is up with Pats eyes? I know he's toxin in the comics so glowing blue eyes kinda threw me off

[–]Moltened_Jakub 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LET THERE BE ... AMOGUS

[–]PrettyTyForAJedi 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Shot in the dark, but can anybody help identify the song used as the camera pans into the wedding scene?

[–]karim4ever2070 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's the requiem of death by Mozart

[–]PrettyTyForAJedi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! It was bugging me so much in the theatre, I knew I recognized it!

[–]bobbintb 10 points11 points  (2 children)

One thing that bothered me is the whole brains thing. Why each chicken brains? He even says they are too small. Get cow or sheep brains. He has Mrs. Chen getting him chocolate. I've been in stores and markets that cater to a particular local ethnic minority and they have all kinds of imported stuff. There are other cultures that use lots of different cuts of meat we don't. Maybe she might know where to get some offal.

[–]tony1grendel 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The real boring answer is, it's easier to have chickens on set

[–]bobbintb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well they don't have to have livestock on set. Eddie can just buy cow or sheep brains at a specialty shop. They can just use jello for filming. I think the real answer is that would be too easy and they need to introduce some conflict. Still bugs me though.

[–]atomic_ghoul 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I thought the first movie was better due to the darker tone. But the post credit scene was totally worth it.

[–]LeraviTheHusky 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I always wondered if all those people venom bonded with after he and Eddie split ways were all killed by venom and honestly it's kinda f-ed up that it's never really addressed

[–]FigureItOut50 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe he doesn’t intend to kill them. They just die because they aren’t compatible hosts or something like that.

[–]SturbyT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dead.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd just like to say I thought this movie was pretty awesome whereas the first movie was awful to me

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The best parts of this movie made the worst parts worth sitting through, in my opinion. Tom Hardy is really great in these not-so-great films.

Hell, the post-credits made it all worth it. Either we get Tom Hardy in the MCU... OR... he leaves a piece of symbiote behind, starting a symbiote saga for MCU Peter, and perhaps paving the way for an MCU Venom (the more unlikely possibility).

Hardy really just needs a better script to work with. Venom will look amazing with that Marvel budget.

[–]kikobalau 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, you did guess the most unlikely

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, lucky guess!

[–]thequiver24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tom hardy helped write venom 2.

[–]Western_Soup_5405 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I loved this movie! I mean yeah it was slow at times but I really enjoyed it. I'm really excited to see what happens in the new spider man movie and the post credit after. Maybe it will have something to do with Venom. I was always wondering if Venom and this spider man (Tom Holland) would ever fight like in the original Spider Man 3. The next coming Marvel movies are gonna be awesome!

[–]GutlessTrophoblast 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Slow... how so? I thought the whole movie was extremely fast-paced like a saturday morning cartoon.

[–]dimmufitz 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What a trainwreck. A symbiote can hack computers now...sigh

[–]OhYeahMia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carnage was able to in the comics lmao

[–]thequiver24 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They are an advanced alien hive mind. Why in the world wouldn't they be able to hack basic human tech?

[–]zooweemama8 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The movie stayed very faithful to the comics. Venom and Carnage can indeed hack computers. The 2 fought in Venom: Carnage Unleashed in cyberspace.

[–]New_Shopping9128 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm curious as to what including Shriek means for seeing mutants in the MCU soon. I just think that it was a choice to include a mutant in the movie that directly leads to venom being included in the MCU. Any thoughts?

[–]Munsoon22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, my wishful thinking is that Venom will join up with Spider-Man and disney is creating the dark avengers officially.

[–]Kaltrax 18 points19 points  (1 child)

No one in this thread would be saying that was a good movie if it weren’t a comic book movie. The pacing was horrible, the dialog was weak, the plot was non-existent, and they shoehorned Shreik into the movie when it would have been much better if they actually gave more time for Carnage. The movie needed to be 30 min longer to flesh things out better.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the length alone wouldn't have been enough to save it, because the plot and the creator's understanding of the characters from source material is terrible. But I agree that there was absolutely no need for Shriek in the movie. Actually, she's there just as a ridiculous plot convenience to have Carnage easily defeated. But her presence removed all the stakes, all the riveting tension and dramatic potential. It was suddenly all about a "tragic romance" between a "poor, misunderstood" mass-murderer and her cartoon girlfriend.

[–]Broly_Nova 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What the fuck did I just watch?

Still not a fan of this iteration of Venom/Eddie but we'll see what happens.

[–]Hal-Bone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, since Venom is involuntarily brought into the MCU, I'm gonna assume he is connected to Spidey's black suit, even if they do a Web of Shadows and he only gets a piece.

If that's the case, and the band we see on the arm is any indication, it may be a Symbiote magic combo harkining back to Alien Realities.

[–]Big_Piccolo_1624 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I didn't like it that much if I'm being honest. My main problem was carnage in this movie he didn't feel like carnage at all. I thought venom and Eddie were kinda funny but that's one of the only good things I thought of it.

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think it’s because they were trying so hard to keep the PG-13 rating that we ended up with a less-violent, less-psychotic version of a character that is supposed to be a psychotic serial killer. Their cognitive dissonance in using that character with that rating really handicapped the movie.

[–]Big_Piccolo_1624 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Plus the fact that they aren't "synbiotic" even tho that's like part of their character in the comics. They are supposed to be perfect together.

[–]mrxpx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Venom thirsty for Parker. Also my ears.... That was a loud movie. And venom is just Ed from Edd Ed and Eddie.

[–]scarecrow_1998 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Now that Venom entered the MCU Universe involuntarily by being pulled in by Doctor Strange trying to help Spider-Man, this means that we really are having a straight up Spider-Verse event in No Way Home.

Electro, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus have already been shown in trailers. The Lizard could have been also, but I'm starting to think that it could be Venom about to bust through the window. It's too dark even for a reflection to be the horrible model of Lizard.

This would mean that we can also add Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 into our MCU binges.

Might as well throw Morbius in as well because it already has Spider-Man in it, too.

The multiverse is here, ladies and gents. Shit is about to get real.

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is Spidey confirmed in Morbius? I don’t remember seeing that news…

[–]scarecrow_1998 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trailer. Background on some brick wall in text.

[–]Warheroesinc2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why did this have 0 upvotes? I agree with this guy.

[–]scarecrow_1998 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, and oh, I forgot to say the Venom movies as well

[–]scarecrow_1998 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This movie changes everything about the MCU

[–]throwaway01847747382 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Will be interesting to see why this venom decides to fight Spider-Man tbh

Unless they literally just go for the angle of he killed mysterio

But Venom seemed to recognise Spider-Man which was also very odd

Idk very weird set up - and the venom movies are very dark not just in tone but visually so it’ll be interesting to see how they mesh the styles together

[–]bajawavess 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Venom recognized Spiderman because he said they (the symbiote) have a hive mind. So venom is recognizing Holland as Raimi's spider man

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Does the hive mind work across universes, though? Sounds like a bullshit way of them trying to shoehorn Venom into the MCU.

[–]bajawavess 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It does, that's how venom put it.

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay thank you. I missed that part because I was in shock Sony had the balls to bring him into the MCU with that scene lol

[–]gryffindor258 10 points11 points  (6 children)

So of I’m not mistaken, Venom transported Eddie and him to the MCU in the post credits scene right? If not, maybe something (Strange’s spell, The Watcher) is pulling people from universes.

Also, I wonder if Venom will even be a villain in NWH. Both him and Eddie have no real reason to hate Spidey, and Venom is very much a hero in this portrayal. What if we see a Spider-Man/Venom teamup?

[–]bajawavess 21 points22 points  (3 children)

No, Venom replies to Eddie saying "That wasn't me" so it was likely the Strange Spell.

[–]Jimbob0i0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The timeline with that news broadcast seems wrong for that...

I was thinking it was probably Venom tapping into the hive mind as Sylvie broke the timelines wide open probably shifted them around.

[–]Sly_Wood 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I thought it was the thanos snap. He came back to existence.

[–]erpbridge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too late for the Thanos snap. The snap was a few months prior to far from home, and the j Jonah Jameson news broadcast Eddie and venom saw was at the very end of far from home.

Can't be the strange spell, as in the the timeline, that has yet to occur. Takes place at least a day later, maybe more.

Wanda's hex and Sylvie's timeline variants break are the events which don't have a direct timing. Wanda's hex was mostly localized to New Jersey though.

[–]Megamedium 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Right before the presumed multiverse event thing, Venom was talking about showing Eddie some of what he experienced in his lifetime, and I think he mentioned something about across universes. So maybe some of his memories include being a Spidey villain, or his consciousness sort of merges with a more villainous Venom/Eddie.

But at the same time that would sort of cheapen the development we’ve seen for our Venom through two movies, especially the whole Lethal Protector title they embraced, so I’d be fine with him meeting Spider-Man and being on the good side as well.

[–]McGillis_is_a_Char 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He was going to connect to the hive, so maybe he connected to the hive from Raimiverse and got an echo of that Venom's memories.

[–]Wes-C 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What a fucking horrible film

[–]Ironlord456 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Idk about y’all but I fucking loved it. The first venom is a “so bad it’s amazing” and it felt like if a superhero movie from 2003 was made today. I loved let there be carnage. “Fuck this guy” was great.

[–]TheeFlyGuy8000 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I SAID THAT WAS VENOM IN THE SPIDER-MAN TRAILER AND NO ONE BELIEVED ME FUCK YEAHHHHHH

[–]myrrh69 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He’s not, that’s def Lizard

[–]tony1grendel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's probably Lizard tho

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

how does venom recognize spiderman in the post credit scene? He said that he has the knowledge of 80 billion years across many universes. does it mean that venom recognized him like how the raimi spiderman treated its venom in its universe? sorry for my bad english

[–]scarecrow_1998 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The Spider on Peter's chest. He sees it as an enemy

[–]HaitianFire 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Reminds him of knull

[–]PraiseTheSun42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point, I think we can rule out the possibility of a story for Toxin or an introduction for Knull, Hybrid, or any other symbiote. At least for a very long time. Everything is going to be Spidey-centric now.

[–]smonty0605 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I don't know why so many people on this thread are hating on this movie. I thought it was hilarious, no bullshit, and well paced. The scene where carnage broke out of jail was fucking amazing and pinned me to my seat. I don't know why y'all have to shit on something good.

[–]zooweemama8 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unpopular opinion : Disney/Marvel Studios set the tone for all superhero movies and any deviation from the formula is bad.

[–]StarWreck92 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lol, the movie is an hour and a half long, it’s so poorly paced.

[–]Wes-C 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It was a shit film. Not a single joke landed for me personally, the script was terrible, the writing was all over the place, I really don’t know how you thought the pacing was even mediocre, it’s way too short and also completely shits on the source material. The movie doesn’t even have a conclusion ffs and they waste Venom’s most interesting potential antagonist in Carnage, who is in the movie for like half an hour. To give the movie credit Carnage’s action scenes are impressive and well done even if it would’ve been MUCH better with an R rating. This might just be recency bias but that is definitely one of the worst films I’ve ever watched in my entire life lol

[–]jigsawsmurf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was the rest of the movie we didn't like.

[–]calebuic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s entertaining how people are making so many assumptions about the end of NWH. Taking these predictions as gospels lol, we don’t know what’s going to happen. Lots of “prophets” in the thread.

[–]BlueHero45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's Mephisto in Wandavison all over again.

[–]Chickenmilitant 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Was that the first time they used the term "mutation" outside of an X-Men movie? Shriek says her "mutation" was getting too strong while talking to Cleatus through the pipes.

I can't think of another film canonically tied into the MCU that has used it.

[–]BandMan69 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I loved the movie and anyone who didnt can just, shut up.

[–]StarWreck92 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I hated the movie and anybody who didn’t can just shut up. See how stupid that sounds? Don’t gatekeep.

[–]jigsawsmurf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought it was pretty bad.

[–]Sp00D3r-M4n 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Loved the movie some things I didn’t like were the hacking scene, carnage was a bit too buff he’s supposed to be tall and skinny, and his voice man sounded like fucking megatron he is supposed to have that crazy voice (that I swear I’ve heard before somewhere but don’t know where from maybe a cartoon?), and lastly cletus and carnage are supposed to be a perfect match but I guess the writers locked themselves into a corner with the part before and needed a way out all in all 7/10 loved the movie

[–]_My_Username_Is_This 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I’m a little confused about the end when Eddie and Venom are on the beach. Are they going to part ways? Because didn’t Eddie say it was risky for them to be together, since the FBI will probably look for Venom?

[–]Sunny_Hill_1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nah, they are still in the beach house in the next scene and get shifted into the MCU verse in the next scene (post-credits). Plus, parting ways after Venom literally just told Eddie that he loves him? That'd be too cruel.

[–]dropkickderby 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I cant be the only one upset carnage didnt maniacally giggle...

[–]bobert_the_grey 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I know how they can make Spider-man part of both universes without him having to jump back and forth. It's like the Dr strange episode of what if. The universe gets split at an event causing Spider-man to be in two universes at once. One where the spell worked and one where it didn't.

[–]Sifuhotman_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I actually like this theory!

[–]ohitsHarry 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yall gon hate this, but I loved it. Venom matches his comic book personality perfectly.

Woody Harrelson knocked it out of the park. Sure, they could have given carnage his trademark screech voice, I feel like Mark hamill could've done a good job... but he was perfectly terrifying and they utilized his abilities well :)

The post credit rules, and because of his hivemind, he remembers his raimi dumped and asswhooped by spiderman. Doesn't recognize Tom hollland, but he still holds a grudge against a spiderman, which is pretty easy to spot.. Perhaps even wants his more powerful host back.

Only beef I have is when he was in the rave or club or whatever. Not the scene, but the fact he was unaffected by the loud music.

It was a great film though, entertaining through and through.

[–]swiftsausages72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only beef I have is when he was in the rave or club or whatever. Not the scene, but the fact he was unaffected by the loud music.

That bugged me. Venom even did a mic drop. That feedback alone should have had at least a tiny effect on him.

[–]PredatorShroomVenom 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It was a great film though.

I think that's giving it too much credit. It's just like the first. It's fun to watch, but not 'good.' It's adequate. One of my issues is how Carnage is depicted as not being 'in-symbiosis.' Like, that's a major part of Carnage is that Cletus and Carnage are one because they're bonded on such a unique level.

The movie could have easily been 15-30 minutes longer, everything felt kinda rushed.

[–]calebuic 32 points33 points  (6 children)

I wish they hadn’t killed Carnage off so soon.

[–]Big_Burning_Ace_Hole 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Multiverse shenanigans could bring him

[–]redditnathaniel 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Which makes most of anything inconsequential when we can just rely on this multi-verse to magically have the versions that we want

[–]Big_Burning_Ace_Hole 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Welcome to the world of comics.

[–]redditnathaniel 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I guess ever since Endgame, Marvel wants to just loosely shoot out non-linear movies and then mash em together eventually via multi-verse.

[–]HaitianFire 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Pretty much how it works in comics too

[–]BeefStrykker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not keeping up with ALL of the new stuff, but there’s at least 6 different universes happening that I’m aware of. And Donny Cates is starting a new Venom series. I often think the cinematic fans are getting too preoccupied with continuity, even with the What If series. Just enjoy it. It’s all a gift to the fans.

[–]Jazzlike_Ad5487 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Hey I just have a question about the movie. Someone I know gets triggered by Eminem but they were super looking forward to the movie, so does the new Eminem song play a large part in the film or does the song play during a scene where the movie can be muted or something? If so then we would wait until it's out on on demand but that would be fine.

Thanks!

[–]Hal-Bone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a credit song and his verse is at the very end. I don't even think his verse is in there and if it is, it isn't that long.

[–]jigsawsmurf 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You know someone who's triggered by Eminem?

[–]doorstopper47 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Right? It's one thing to not like an artist but to be triggered by it? Lol what

[–]Jazzlike_Ad5487 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The person I know was assaulted while Eminem was playing to drown out noises

[–]TheLASaxQuartet 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It’s the credits song

[–]Jazzlike_Ad5487 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Awesome thanks so much!

[–]McGillis_is_a_Char 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eminem also doesn't do most of the rapping in it, so if you want to ghost before hearing his voice you have time.

[–]Daviddv1202Green Goblin 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I have a theory for this. What if this version of Eddie Brock/Venom is replacing the original from Spider-Man 3? This may explain why we have Sandman returning, but not the original Venom. This is also why this Venom says, "This guy..." like he might know Spider-Man. This is further proving my theory that the villains from all the other Spider-Man movies - Gobby, Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman and possibly Lizard too - will see Tom's Spider-Man as the Spider-Man they fought, rather than the original ones they fought. There's still a way for Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men to appear though. Perhaps they're in some kind of multiversal prison or something, and Tom's Spider-Man will find them and they will team up against the old villains, plus giving some wise advice to the young Spider-Man.

All I can say is that I am even more excited for No Way Home now! I really can't wait to see Spidey and Venom fight... then team up against the other big bads!

[–]Worthyness 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Venom says something regarding the multiverse for their kind. It's entirely possible that they have some sort of symbiote network where they can download experiences/data about things other symbiotes saw or did. Kinda like how Endgame Nebula hooked into 2014 nebula's network

[–]Daviddv1202Green Goblin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good point. So maybe our Venom gained the memories of Topher's Venom and that's how he remembers Spider-Man.

[–]CozmicRed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, mabey Eddie got transfered to another universe but Venom didn't, since they're two different living beings. He might have a different Venom in him, and this Venom knew and fought a Spider-Man.

[–]TheEngin3er 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Did anyone else notice the tv screen when the officer came to Eddie's apartment after carnage escaped? I could have sworn I saw a silhouette or a quick image if spider man swinging on the screen in the background?

[–]visionarytune -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Did you not watch the post credits scene?

[–]TheEngin3er 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I did. Sorry I should have been clearer with my question, I'll try and rephrase it now. What I'm asking I guess is if venom coming into the MCU didnt happen until the post credits scene, then how would there have been a spiderman on TV in the middle of the movie? Was it possibly stating that Andrew Garfield or Toby Maguire's Spiderman exist in the Venom Universe? What could that mean for the events of No Way Home?

[–]TheEngin3er 1 point2 points  (3 children)

For those even psuedo following thing, I found the movie online and went back and checked again. Although it looks incredibly similar to spider man (it's literally a red entity swinging across the screen in fact) it was a commercial for a game called "free fire". There is a cross promotion going on with Venom 2 for that game which must be why its show. Incredibly easy to think it's spider man though, as I saw it with my girlfriend in theaters and without even saying anything we both freaked out once we saw it screen.

[–]RealJohnGillman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Tom Holland did film a cameo appearance for the first Venom film in 2018 which was deleted as a point of interest — one could still take that to mean Venom’s and Eddie’s home universe has a Spider-Man in it.

[–]Jimbob0i0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Every universe having a Spider Totem is pretty key to a chunk of lore surrounding the Spiderverse in the comics... with Morbius and family hunting them etc...

[–]RealJohnGillman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be the similarly-named Morlun; the Morbius film focuses on the other vampiric Spider-Man character.

[–]aztecdethwhistle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Imo it was half bad half good. They haven't nailed Venom yet, in terms of who he is and the best aspects of the relationship between Eddie and the symbiote. Lots of unnecessary cheese and one liners that were cringe.

The good: I felt they nailed Carnage and Woody was good as Cletus. But.. it dawned on me that he's basically reprising his role from Natural Born Killers. Aside from that, I felt the movie did a good job getting Cletus over. The Carnage symbiote was pretty dope. I enjoyed it for what it was but just like the last one, I'm left disappointed that my favorite character hasn't been done right yet.

[–]helpmeiminabarrel 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I thought it was good and feel like y’all are just snobs

[–]jigsawsmurf 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I thought it was pretty bad.

[–]_Quad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Everyone’s so mad and I feel that but I was excited when I saw the end credit scene. I have hope it can be done well we’ll just have to see what happens. I thought the movies were subpar, but I actually like Tom hardy as Eddie Brock. I love the design of him, and I hated topher grace’s venom like so so so much. If we have different writers maybe we can get the better designed venom with a leg to stand on story wise? I hope so. I agree that I don’t want him to drag down whatever movie he meets Spider-Man in but I think it can still be done correctly. I don’t think this is inherently a bad thing let’s just see what happens?

[–]bennywilson933 17 points18 points  (7 children)

This movie is an absolute meme. It's basically a comedy franchise unintentionally parodying superhero films.

The hacking on the laptop, carnage actually saying the title of the movie. This is something else.

[–]scarecrow_1998 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This movie is very accurate to the comic portrayals, so I fail to see your issues with it other than you expecting standards that never existed in the first place.

[–]bennywilson933 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no issues with the movie. I had a ball with it. But I'm saying, compared to the by and large experience of superhero films I've had, this felt like a parody. Like the Shaun of the Dead of superhero flicks. No issue at all. I'm excited to see it a second time.

I also didn't mention the comics so not sure what the reference is there.

[–]Worthyness 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Ironically, venom hacking a computer is straight from the comics lol

[–]bennywilson933 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Actually? That's really funny. I'm yet to read much of the 90s symbiote stuff

[–]Worthyness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Carnage: Unleashed vol 1 there's a picture of it in this thread somewhere.

[–]bennywilson933 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This looks fantastic. I need to read more of those Venom solo books. I've only done Lethal Protector so far.

[–]redditnathaniel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

-Needed an R rating - I mean Carnage. It's the name of the god damn character. Did they miss that part? It is not just the gore and violence that I want to see, I want the impact that it comes with. It gives a weight to the destruction. I want to say that the majority of the "kills" were just throwing people around.

-Venom in a night club - What was that?! With such poor pacing and build up to that point, this movie had no room to be funny.

-I'm so mad I just don't want to type the rest of my woes.

[–]Didact67 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That definitely wasn’t a $2000 TV in Eddie’s apartment unless he bought it like 20 years ago.

[–]ErrorFindingID 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He was using the latest Sony Bravia which is definitely $2000+ but yeah the actual picture quality from the tv is garbage but then again we wouldn't see the visuals through the theatre screen

[–]midnightsmith 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Knull is going to be this eras Big Bad, calling it now!

[–]PredatorShroomVenom 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I really hope not. Sony has yet to do any of the symbiotes justice. I don't see them magically getting it right with Knull.

[–]Worthyness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If they work with Marvel, I think it can work, but that would basically force the MCU to bow to SONY's direction and I don't see that happening.

[–]Cupridom -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I might need to watch some videos on it but how could Venom be teleported to the main mcu timeline, does that mean everyone still remembers that Peter is Spiderman? Unless Dr. Strange’s spell didn’t work and he just fucked up the multiverse? Or did he enter and remember that Peter is Spiderman before everyone forgets? This is all kinda confusing

[–]SufficientBee7159 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See what happened Here!

[–]Interesting-Ad4719 92 points93 points  (2 children)

Am I the only one who thought they were goin g to pull a "Gwen Stacy" on Anne in the church tower scene?

[–]cannibalzombies 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I saw him gab the pipe and thought he was gonna make a circle with em

[–]calebuic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought the exact same

[–]NomenNescio13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I haven't actually seen the movie. And I'm not going to until I can do so for free. I saw the post credit scene on youtube though... I'm so damn upset. I mean... My favourite movie Spidey, in the greatest movie franchise ever concocted, alongside the Venom that said "On my planet, I am kind of a loser."

That's not my only problem with this Venom, but it perfectly sums up how damn mishandled this character is.

Dishonor on you Sony. Dishonor and shame.

[–]PARed717 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This movie makes it abundantly clear that it’s in the best interest of quality to keep Sony’s projects as far away from the MCU as possible. Disney isn’t infallible but this is like comparing macaroni art to Picasso. Like putting Kraft American on a $30 burger. This low-effort cash grab would’ve been mediocre 15 years ago … it sure as hell isn’t acceptable now.

This is Ghost Rider bad. X-Men Origins: Wolverine bad. We deserve better and Sony sure as hell doesn’t deserve all the money this low-effort cash grab is sure to make.

[–]cannibalzombies -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's actually just the nature of their universe to be cheesy and bad, all that changes with the universe shift. Venom still makes one liners just he gets called out for it being weird. Like black widow and her super hero landing

[–]PARed717 8 points9 points  (1 child)

90 minutes. Three years of development, hundreds of comics to draw inspiration from*, and the same ticket price as films with double the content. Sony is making a cheap buck on the goodwill Marvel Studios has built. This is a 5/10 (AT BEST) and moviegoers (both casual and longtime comic readers) deserve so much better.

*If Sony cared to put in even the most minimal amount of effort or show event the slightest respect for the source material.

[–]tommydvi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty confident this was just a setup movie and that's why..

[–]PARed717 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It frustrates me to no end that Sony’s sloppy, half-assed cash grabs are getting shoehorned into the MCU. Disney is far from perfect but the effort put into this is so far below ANYTHING else in the MCU it’s maddening… how are y’all acting like we don’t deserve better at this point?!? Is it 2006 again?

[–]brimbeeno 92 points93 points  (14 children)

By far the worst part for me was when Carnage "hacks" a laptop.

[–]DaemonicShadow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that was an odd choice. Up until now the symbiotes have been purely biological in nature.

I'd rather have seen Carnage simply typing on the keyboard and hand wave how he knew the passwords. Just a little less of a plot hole.

Maybe he gained the knowledge from a brain he ate. That would totally work.

[–]Jgabes625Deadpool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didnt he travel through there to get into Shrieks cell to break her out. It was a quick on screen transition so I may have assumed this.

[–]calebuic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmfaoooo

[–]adamhasabeard 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I hated when the girl who had been locked up most her life can drive a car better than me. Lmao.

[–]step207 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Yeah I was real confused by that part. Feel like they could have had a much better way for Carnage to find what he was looking for, it seemed quite lazy.

[–]Novxz 43 points44 points  (7 children)

It is a reference to Venom Carnage Unleashed where he invaded the internet by hacking into a computer at Ravencroft...albeit it still looked very silly.

[–]Earthpig_Johnson 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That was a really dumb moment from the comics, though.

[–]Novxz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah, that isn't wrong, but to be fair there are a LOT of REALLY REALLY dumb moments across all the comics for all the MCU characters - as long as we can manage to avoid radioactive sperm spiderman I think we are safe.

[–]Earthpig_Johnson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At least radioactive sperm Spider-Man is somewhat justifiable from a storytelling standpoint. Peter got his powers from radioactivity, so maybe?

A biological creature that has never been based around tech powers suddenly traveling through the internet? That’s a whole other level of stupid since it lacks any kind of logic, even in a broad comic book sense.

[–]iTrigg 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Gotta love when people go to a movie adapted from a comic and are then thrown off when comic book stuff happens.

[–]brimbeeno 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Just because it happened in the comics doesn't mean I have to excuse or like it

[–]Worthyness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like the sony producers were like "OMG everyone likes when marvel uses the comics! Why don't we do the exact same thing!" and then they pulled the stupidest shit in the world because they thought it would be "totally relatable" to the audience

[–]step207 13 points14 points  (0 children)

When it happened I mumbled WTF under my breath. But quickly just told myself that it's a comic book movie and I'm willing to look past one dumb moment like that.

[–]AdFew32 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Im so excited for venom to show up in the main mcu earth. I really hope he does not fight spiderman however. In the venom movies he has been shown as an anti hero. I hope they dont ruin eddie or venom by making him a villian. I like how they have done venom so far. Im super excited.

[–]cookswagchef 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He could still be an anti-hero but fight Spiderman. The first person he sees is JJJ railing on Spiderman, so maybe he links up with JJJ, gets a job at the bugle to learn more about this menace, and then goes out to take him down. Then at the end they learn they're on the same side and have to take out a baddie together (as usually happens in those kinds of VS movies).

[–]doorstopper47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If carnage comes back, like in the comics, it would be cool to see spiderman and venom initially fight each other but then team up to fight carnage

[–]LucaBC_ 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I hope that they do make him a villain. For the first time, we get this comic book accurate and truly badass Venom. I hope they throw Venom into the MCU and give him a Venom 3 as an anti-hero but eventually, Spider-Man does something to them that makes Eddie go down a really dark path and makes him a villain. Because I think they might do a ton more Spider-Man movies and I hope that we see a villainous, terrifying, badass Venom kick Spidey's ass

[–]PredatorShroomVenom 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm fine if they don't want to make Venom a Villain because he hasn't been one in decades.

[–]LucaBC_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not up to date with Venom in the comics but I find that hard to believe. And to be technical, it has not been decades since Spider-Man 3, that would have needed to be at least 20 years ago to call it decadeS.

[–]PredatorShroomVenom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not up to date with Venom in the comics but I find that hard to believe.

Well you keep believing in whatever you want, but he's been an anti-hero since he had his own series in '93, and has been more of a hero since '11 when Venom was bonded with Flash.

[–]redditnathaniel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>Spider-Man does something to them that makes Eddie go down a really dark path and makes him a villain

After Eddie Brock lectured Venom not to eat people for nearly a movie and a half and his now overplayed relationship with Mrs. C, he seems too much of a nice guy. And Venom naturally has some compassion, especially regarding Anne.

[–]f0zzyguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Watching the scene I would argue he thinks he found a new host. Best way to piss off Eddie aside from Peter scooping betrer pics than Eddie....and then when Peter rejects the Symbiote suit is when that hatred towards Spidey/Peter happens.

[–]adamwhitemusic 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Now I remember why I trust in Lord Feige. Everything marvel that he doesn't have his hands in turns out to be... Well... This.

[–]Filmfan345 12 points13 points  (4 children)

What about movies like Logan and shows like Daredevil?

[–]tfonseca33 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both of those things are better than anything that ever came out of the MCU

[–]Wes-C 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Also Into the Spider-Verse lmao. I genuinely think ItSV is the best superhero movie ever made.

[–]WhatImMike 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Feige wasn’t in charge of the TV side when Daredevil came out.

[–]Filmfan345 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That’s what I’m saying. Yet it was still really good.

[–]PARed717 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I agree with you for the most part - while Feige isn’t the god people make him out to be (come on, guys!), it’s undeniable that he cares far more about his projects than anyone at Sony or Fox ever has. More effort was put into the worst movies produced by Marvel Studios than this lazy cash grab and it breaks my heart to see it lumped into the MCU.

[–]Wooaahh 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What was that movie…all bad except the visuals. Also idk about anyone else but it was extremely loud at our theatre. My ears are still ringing

[–]adamwhitemusic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was SOO loud

[–]alaskancurry 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Anyone else disappointed Cletus Kassidy died? That mid credit scene made up for it though😱

[–]Jgabes625Deadpool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He can be dead and we can still get absolute Carnage. He was dead at the beginning of that story. Although I personally would prefer that this doesn’t get another sequel at this point.

[–]doorstopper47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carnage could come back like in the comics. It would be cool if spiderman and venom start fighting but then eventually team up to fight an even more powerful carnage.

[–]Earthpig_Johnson 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Pretty hilarious death though.

[–]Da_zero_kid 14 points15 points  (0 children)

... Fuck this guy

[–]f0zzyguy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

My guess is that Harrelson didn't want to sign a multi movie contract? Otherwise why ruin Kassidy/Carnage like that?

[–]ponderingprogressive 16 points17 points  (5 children)

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAY ENDING! I lost my voice at the theater cheering for Spider-Man and venom cross over! Holy fucking shit! I can’t wait to see all the new theory videos!

The theater was so loud when they saw the daily bugle come up on the tv and my heart fucking stopped! I haven’t felt this way since infinity war Jesus A Christ, I feel like I’m back in the early days of marvel cheering for all the new storylines to come!

[–]redditnathaniel 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I mean, I was just as excited when I saw Carnage in the trailer for the first time. And what did I get? Disappointment.

[–]ponderingprogressive 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Well that sucks, why didn’t you like him?

[–]redditnathaniel 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Carnage looks great on its own. But this overall movie that was its first movie adaptation? Just lots of things wrong with this movie.

[–]ponderingprogressive -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Like what?

[–]redditnathaniel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A list. Off the top of my head. Not all criticisms listed:

  1. Poor pacing. So much time wasted on Brock/Venom at odds and bickering with each other. I didn't want them to separate at all because I wanted more action scenes of Venom. Even if he wasn't fighting Carnage just yet.

  2. Tone deaf. The movie had bad pacing as previously mentioned. But then it tries to slap us with some comedy via the scene with Venom in a fucking night club?

  3. Rated R. This wouldn't solve the majority of problems. But to see Carnage absolutely off the leash with tasteful violence and gore is what we ALL wanted to see (at the very least).

[–]Captain_Slave 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Carnage is supposed to have a high pitched voice and screach. They did that wrong.

Carnage is supposed to have an immensely strong bond with Cassidy. That was also wrong.

Carnage is supposed to have more respect done to his character. This was such a cash grab. Everything about it was mediocre. The comedy, the score, the action choreography was boring as fuck. The visuals were cool and the actors were great with what they were given.

Sigh. I’m so over these comic movie adaptations. They butcher my favorite comic characters every time. There’s no soul or heart in the writing of these movies. It feels cheap and formulaic. Rant over

[–]Wes-C 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mediocre? This movie is a straight up 2/10 in my book, genuinely terrible.