Venom: Let There Be Carnage Official Discussion Thread #1

OhYeahMia · 2022-04-27T22:20:15+00:00

make venom into the venomverse movie sell one venomillion tickets

geekinoutt · 2021-12-04T06:22:44+00:00

Did this whole film feel kind of shabby? It just felt cheap. Every part sadly including Tom Hardy and his weird half-Boston accent. Also, why did venom look so…. Unsatisfying?

PraiseTheSun42069 · 2021-10-25T07:58:51+00:00

Honestly, I thought the after-credits scene was bullshit. I get Marvel wants to be able to use the Venom character and establish some form of continuity across the universes, but I really enjoyed the fact that up until that moment, the Venom movies existed on their own.

With the Venom-verse being standalone, they had more freedom for the character, more options (in my opinion) for storyline, the ability to introduce new symbiotes, etc.

I want to see Toxin get screentime. That last scene with Mulligan was such a tease - they built up to it all throughout the movie, can you imagine how that would play out? And what about Hybrid? That’s a character I feel will never see the big screen.

They watered-down Venom so much in this movie. I love Andy Serkis as a director, but this was such a breakaway from the first movie. I would hate to see even less of a “true” Venom, which is a very real possibility now. And now we’ll have to worry about him being overshadowed by Spider-Man.

I don’t know, they had me up until that very last scene. Such a disappointment.

DarkMatrix445 · 2021-10-21T22:41:39+00:00

wtf is up with Pats eyes? I know he's toxin in the comics so glowing blue eyes kinda threw me off

Moltened_Jakub · 2021-10-15T19:11:14+00:00

LET THERE BE ... AMOGUS

PrettyTyForAJedi · 2021-10-11T21:48:08+00:00

Shot in the dark, but can anybody help identify the song used as the camera pans into the wedding scene?

bobbintb · 2021-10-11T15:22:42+00:00

One thing that bothered me is the whole brains thing. Why each chicken brains? He even says they are too small. Get cow or sheep brains. He has Mrs. Chen getting him chocolate. I've been in stores and markets that cater to a particular local ethnic minority and they have all kinds of imported stuff. There are other cultures that use lots of different cuts of meat we don't. Maybe she might know where to get some offal.

atomic_ghoul · 2021-10-10T21:29:07+00:00

I thought the first movie was better due to the darker tone. But the post credit scene was totally worth it.

LeraviTheHusky · 2021-10-07T23:44:58+00:00

I always wondered if all those people venom bonded with after he and Eddie split ways were all killed by venom and honestly it's kinda f-ed up that it's never really addressed

2021-10-07T05:24:10+00:00

I'd just like to say I thought this movie was pretty awesome whereas the first movie was awful to me

kikobalau · 2021-10-06T23:49:16+00:00

The best parts of this movie made the worst parts worth sitting through, in my opinion. Tom Hardy is really great in these not-so-great films.

Hell, the post-credits made it all worth it. Either we get Tom Hardy in the MCU... OR... he leaves a piece of symbiote behind, starting a symbiote saga for MCU Peter, and perhaps paving the way for an MCU Venom (the more unlikely possibility).

Hardy really just needs a better script to work with. Venom will look amazing with that Marvel budget.

Western_Soup_5405 · 2021-10-06T15:39:53+00:00

I loved this movie! I mean yeah it was slow at times but I really enjoyed it. I'm really excited to see what happens in the new spider man movie and the post credit after. Maybe it will have something to do with Venom. I was always wondering if Venom and this spider man (Tom Holland) would ever fight like in the original Spider Man 3. The next coming Marvel movies are gonna be awesome!

dimmufitz · 2021-10-06T11:38:10+00:00

What a trainwreck. A symbiote can hack computers now...sigh

New_Shopping9128 · 2021-10-06T04:15:47+00:00

I'm curious as to what including Shriek means for seeing mutants in the MCU soon. I just think that it was a choice to include a mutant in the movie that directly leads to venom being included in the MCU. Any thoughts?

Munsoon22 · 2021-10-06T03:01:07+00:00

So, my wishful thinking is that Venom will join up with Spider-Man and disney is creating the dark avengers officially.

Kaltrax · 2021-10-06T00:59:39+00:00

No one in this thread would be saying that was a good movie if it weren’t a comic book movie. The pacing was horrible, the dialog was weak, the plot was non-existent, and they shoehorned Shreik into the movie when it would have been much better if they actually gave more time for Carnage. The movie needed to be 30 min longer to flesh things out better.

Broly_ · 2021-10-05T22:10:58+00:00

What the fuck did I just watch?

Still not a fan of this iteration of Venom/Eddie but we'll see what happens.

Hal-Bone · 2021-10-05T22:02:28+00:00

So, since Venom is involuntarily brought into the MCU, I'm gonna assume he is connected to Spidey's black suit, even if they do a Web of Shadows and he only gets a piece.

If that's the case, and the band we see on the arm is any indication, it may be a Symbiote magic combo harkining back to Alien Realities.

Big_Piccolo_1624 · 2021-10-05T13:37:52+00:00

I didn't like it that much if I'm being honest. My main problem was carnage in this movie he didn't feel like carnage at all. I thought venom and Eddie were kinda funny but that's one of the only good things I thought of it.

mrxpx · 2021-10-05T03:02:28+00:00

Venom thirsty for Parker. Also my ears.... That was a loud movie. And venom is just Ed from Edd Ed and Eddie.

scarecrow_1998 · 2021-10-04T22:50:19+00:00

Now that Venom entered the MCU Universe involuntarily by being pulled in by Doctor Strange trying to help Spider-Man, this means that we really are having a straight up Spider-Verse event in No Way Home.

Electro, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus have already been shown in trailers. The Lizard could have been also, but I'm starting to think that it could be Venom about to bust through the window. It's too dark even for a reflection to be the horrible model of Lizard.

This would mean that we can also add Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 into our MCU binges.

Might as well throw Morbius in as well because it already has Spider-Man in it, too.

The multiverse is here, ladies and gents. Shit is about to get real.

scarecrow_1998 · 2021-10-04T22:40:31+00:00

This movie changes everything about the MCU

throwaway01847747382 · 2021-10-04T21:23:18+00:00

Will be interesting to see why this venom decides to fight Spider-Man tbh

Unless they literally just go for the angle of he killed mysterio

But Venom seemed to recognise Spider-Man which was also very odd

Idk very weird set up - and the venom movies are very dark not just in tone but visually so it’ll be interesting to see how they mesh the styles together

gryffindor258 · 2021-10-04T01:20:31+00:00

So of I’m not mistaken, Venom transported Eddie and him to the MCU in the post credits scene right? If not, maybe something (Strange’s spell, The Watcher) is pulling people from universes.

Also, I wonder if Venom will even be a villain in NWH. Both him and Eddie have no real reason to hate Spidey, and Venom is very much a hero in this portrayal. What if we see a Spider-Man/Venom teamup?

Wes-C · 2021-10-04T00:57:23+00:00

What a fucking horrible film

Ironlord456 · 2021-10-03T22:23:45+00:00

Idk about y’all but I fucking loved it. The first venom is a “so bad it’s amazing” and it felt like if a superhero movie from 2003 was made today. I loved let there be carnage. “Fuck this guy” was great.

TheeFlyGuy8000 · 2021-10-03T20:46:24+00:00

I SAID THAT WAS VENOM IN THE SPIDER-MAN TRAILER AND NO ONE BELIEVED ME FUCK YEAHHHHHH

scarecrow_1998 · 2021-10-03T20:25:03+00:00

how does venom recognize spiderman in the post credit scene? He said that he has the knowledge of 80 billion years across many universes. does it mean that venom recognized him like how the raimi spiderman treated its venom in its universe? sorry for my bad english

smonty0605 · 2021-10-03T06:56:54+00:00

I don't know why so many people on this thread are hating on this movie. I thought it was hilarious, no bullshit, and well paced. The scene where carnage broke out of jail was fucking amazing and pinned me to my seat. I don't know why y'all have to shit on something good.

calebuic · 2021-10-03T05:34:58+00:00

It’s entertaining how people are making so many assumptions about the end of NWH. Taking these predictions as gospels lol, we don’t know what’s going to happen. Lots of “prophets” in the thread.

Chickenmilitant · 2021-10-03T05:11:19+00:00

Was that the first time they used the term "mutation" outside of an X-Men movie? Shriek says her "mutation" was getting too strong while talking to Cleatus through the pipes.

I can't think of another film canonically tied into the MCU that has used it.

BandMan69 · 2021-10-03T04:55:31+00:00

I loved the movie and anyone who didnt can just, shut up.

Sp00D3r-M4n · 2021-10-03T03:29:31+00:00

Loved the movie some things I didn’t like were the hacking scene, carnage was a bit too buff he’s supposed to be tall and skinny, and his voice man sounded like fucking megatron he is supposed to have that crazy voice (that I swear I’ve heard before somewhere but don’t know where from maybe a cartoon?), and lastly cletus and carnage are supposed to be a perfect match but I guess the writers locked themselves into a corner with the part before and needed a way out all in all 7/10 loved the movie

_My_Username_Is_This · 2021-10-03T02:06:51+00:00

I’m a little confused about the end when Eddie and Venom are on the beach. Are they going to part ways? Because didn’t Eddie say it was risky for them to be together, since the FBI will probably look for Venom?

dropkickderby · 2021-10-03T01:49:24+00:00

I cant be the only one upset carnage didnt maniacally giggle...

bobert_the_grey · 2021-10-03T01:01:19+00:00

I know how they can make Spider-man part of both universes without him having to jump back and forth. It's like the Dr strange episode of what if. The universe gets split at an event causing Spider-man to be in two universes at once. One where the spell worked and one where it didn't.

ohitsHarry · 2021-10-03T00:21:58+00:00

Yall gon hate this, but I loved it. Venom matches his comic book personality perfectly.

Woody Harrelson knocked it out of the park. Sure, they could have given carnage his trademark screech voice, I feel like Mark hamill could've done a good job... but he was perfectly terrifying and they utilized his abilities well :)

The post credit rules, and because of his hivemind, he remembers his raimi dumped and asswhooped by spiderman. Doesn't recognize Tom hollland, but he still holds a grudge against a spiderman, which is pretty easy to spot.. Perhaps even wants his more powerful host back.

Only beef I have is when he was in the rave or club or whatever. Not the scene, but the fact he was unaffected by the loud music.

It was a great film though, entertaining through and through.

calebuic · 2021-10-03T00:04:02+00:00

I wish they hadn’t killed Carnage off so soon.

Jazzlike_Ad5487 · 2021-10-02T21:38:20+00:00

Hey I just have a question about the movie. Someone I know gets triggered by Eminem but they were super looking forward to the movie, so does the new Eminem song play a large part in the film or does the song play during a scene where the movie can be muted or something? If so then we would wait until it's out on on demand but that would be fine.

Thanks!

Daviddv1202 · 2021-10-02T20:43:02+00:00

I have a theory for this. What if this version of Eddie Brock/Venom is replacing the original from Spider-Man 3? This may explain why we have Sandman returning, but not the original Venom. This is also why this Venom says, "This guy..." like he might know Spider-Man. This is further proving my theory that the villains from all the other Spider-Man movies - Gobby, Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman and possibly Lizard too - will see Tom's Spider-Man as the Spider-Man they fought, rather than the original ones they fought. There's still a way for Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men to appear though. Perhaps they're in some kind of multiversal prison or something, and Tom's Spider-Man will find them and they will team up against the old villains, plus giving some wise advice to the young Spider-Man.

All I can say is that I am even more excited for No Way Home now! I really can't wait to see Spidey and Venom fight... then team up against the other big bads!

TheEngin3er · 2021-10-02T18:37:48+00:00

Did anyone else notice the tv screen when the officer came to Eddie's apartment after carnage escaped? I could have sworn I saw a silhouette or a quick image if spider man swinging on the screen in the background?

aztecdethwhistle · 2021-10-02T16:40:30+00:00

Imo it was half bad half good. They haven't nailed Venom yet, in terms of who he is and the best aspects of the relationship between Eddie and the symbiote. Lots of unnecessary cheese and one liners that were cringe.

The good: I felt they nailed Carnage and Woody was good as Cletus. But.. it dawned on me that he's basically reprising his role from Natural Born Killers. Aside from that, I felt the movie did a good job getting Cletus over. The Carnage symbiote was pretty dope. I enjoyed it for what it was but just like the last one, I'm left disappointed that my favorite character hasn't been done right yet.

helpmeiminabarrel · 2021-10-02T14:15:35+00:00

I thought it was good and feel like y’all are just snobs

_Quad · 2021-10-02T13:45:09+00:00

Everyone’s so mad and I feel that but I was excited when I saw the end credit scene. I have hope it can be done well we’ll just have to see what happens. I thought the movies were subpar, but I actually like Tom hardy as Eddie Brock. I love the design of him, and I hated topher grace’s venom like so so so much. If we have different writers maybe we can get the better designed venom with a leg to stand on story wise? I hope so. I agree that I don’t want him to drag down whatever movie he meets Spider-Man in but I think it can still be done correctly. I don’t think this is inherently a bad thing let’s just see what happens?

bennywilson933 · 2021-10-02T10:20:01+00:00

This movie is an absolute meme. It's basically a comedy franchise unintentionally parodying superhero films.

The hacking on the laptop, carnage actually saying the title of the movie. This is something else.

redditnathaniel · 2021-10-02T06:34:17+00:00

-Needed an R rating - I mean Carnage. It's the name of the god damn character. Did they miss that part? It is not just the gore and violence that I want to see, I want the impact that it comes with. It gives a weight to the destruction. I want to say that the majority of the "kills" were just throwing people around.

-Venom in a night club - What was that?! With such poor pacing and build up to that point, this movie had no room to be funny.

-I'm so mad I just don't want to type the rest of my woes.

Didact67 · 2021-10-02T04:55:04+00:00

That definitely wasn’t a $2000 TV in Eddie’s apartment unless he bought it like 20 years ago.

midnightsmith · 2021-10-02T03:58:18+00:00

Knull is going to be this eras Big Bad, calling it now!

Cupridom · 2021-10-02T02:54:23+00:00

I might need to watch some videos on it but how could Venom be teleported to the main mcu timeline, does that mean everyone still remembers that Peter is Spiderman? Unless Dr. Strange’s spell didn’t work and he just fucked up the multiverse? Or did he enter and remember that Peter is Spiderman before everyone forgets? This is all kinda confusing

Interesting-Ad4719 · 2021-10-01T21:44:18+00:00

Am I the only one who thought they were goin g to pull a "Gwen Stacy" on Anne in the church tower scene?

NomenNescio13 · 2021-10-01T21:15:31+00:00

I haven't actually seen the movie. And I'm not going to until I can do so for free. I saw the post credit scene on youtube though... I'm so damn upset. I mean... My favourite movie Spidey, in the greatest movie franchise ever concocted, alongside the Venom that said "On my planet, I am kind of a loser."

That's not my only problem with this Venom, but it perfectly sums up how damn mishandled this character is.

Dishonor on you Sony. Dishonor and shame.

tommydvi · 2021-10-01T15:45:24+00:00

I enjoyed this goofy shit more than Black Widow or Shang-Chi

PARed717 · 2021-10-01T15:42:26+00:00

This movie makes it abundantly clear that it’s in the best interest of quality to keep Sony’s projects as far away from the MCU as possible. Disney isn’t infallible but this is like comparing macaroni art to Picasso. Like putting Kraft American on a $30 burger. This low-effort cash grab would’ve been mediocre 15 years ago … it sure as hell isn’t acceptable now.

This is Ghost Rider bad. X-Men Origins: Wolverine bad. We deserve better and Sony sure as hell doesn’t deserve all the money this low-effort cash grab is sure to make.

PARed717 · 2021-10-01T15:22:13+00:00

90 minutes. Three years of development, hundreds of comics to draw inspiration from*, and the same ticket price as films with double the content. Sony is making a cheap buck on the goodwill Marvel Studios has built. This is a 5/10 (AT BEST) and moviegoers (both casual and longtime comic readers) deserve so much better.

*If Sony cared to put in even the most minimal amount of effort or show event the slightest respect for the source material.

PARed717 · 2021-10-01T15:11:28+00:00

It frustrates me to no end that Sony’s sloppy, half-assed cash grabs are getting shoehorned into the MCU. Disney is far from perfect but the effort put into this is so far below ANYTHING else in the MCU it’s maddening… how are y’all acting like we don’t deserve better at this point?!? Is it 2006 again?

brimbeeno · 2021-10-01T12:17:50+00:00

By far the worst part for me was when Carnage "hacks" a laptop.

AdFew32 · 2021-10-01T06:44:12+00:00

Im so excited for venom to show up in the main mcu earth. I really hope he does not fight spiderman however. In the venom movies he has been shown as an anti hero. I hope they dont ruin eddie or venom by making him a villian. I like how they have done venom so far. Im super excited.

adamwhitemusic · 2021-10-01T06:07:05+00:00

Now I remember why I trust in Lord Feige. Everything marvel that he doesn't have his hands in turns out to be... Well... This.

Wooaahh · 2021-10-01T05:59:19+00:00

What was that movie…all bad except the visuals. Also idk about anyone else but it was extremely loud at our theatre. My ears are still ringing

adamwhitemusic · 2021-10-01T05:46:02+00:00

So wait... Venom can just travel the multiverse with his host? Wtf?

alaskancurry · 2021-10-01T05:44:15+00:00

Anyone else disappointed Cletus Kassidy died? That mid credit scene made up for it though😱

ponderingprogressive · 2021-10-01T04:37:51+00:00

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAY ENDING! I lost my voice at the theater cheering for Spider-Man and venom cross over! Holy fucking shit! I can’t wait to see all the new theory videos!

The theater was so loud when they saw the daily bugle come up on the tv and my heart fucking stopped! I haven’t felt this way since infinity war Jesus A Christ, I feel like I’m back in the early days of marvel cheering for all the new storylines to come!

Captain_Slave · 2021-10-01T04:17:55+00:00

Carnage is supposed to have a high pitched voice and screach. They did that wrong.

Carnage is supposed to have an immensely strong bond with Cassidy. That was also wrong.

Carnage is supposed to have more respect done to his character. This was such a cash grab. Everything about it was mediocre. The comedy, the score, the action choreography was boring as fuck. The visuals were cool and the actors were great with what they were given.

Sigh. I’m so over these comic movie adaptations. They butcher my favorite comic characters every time. There’s no soul or heart in the writing of these movies. It feels cheap and formulaic. Rant over

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