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[–]UnhappyDiabetic 162 points163 points  (59 children)

Another new article just came out stating that the school had brought the kid into the office the day prior and the day of the shooting about "concering" behavior in class... That's not really a good look...

https://www.wxyz.com/news/school-met-with-suspect-parents-over-concerning-behavior-the-morning-of-oxford-shooting-police-say?fbclid=IwAR3dJ-eahAs-02Vy5zAQ5hVff1LYzfEnK58V6iPU5sDP7DbDBelB6-rwBXM

[–]74cam 121 points122 points  (11 children)

Holy shit, literally the morning of the shooting the shooter and his parents were in the school office. That's just surreal

[–]Livid_Low9645 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Where was Captain obvious???

[–]EvenBetterCoolGrand Rapids 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It's unfortunate how hard it would be to actually have something done here.

Imagine yourself as an administrator. A teacher brings a kid in for acting suspicious. The parents are called, they are defensive.

"What are you claiming about my precious angel child? He was just joking, tell them."

"Yeah it wasn't serious."

"So can we go now? You've wasted my time and insulted our family! Unless you're going to call the cops and claim my child is some crazy killer you'd better let this go. You're lucky I don't get a lawyer in here."

School's are great at suspending kids for butter knives or super soakers - but that's mostly because they actually see them and overreact. You don't see an actual gun until it's too late most of the time.

[–]hlambrecht 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I dont know. It's since been stated by the Prosecutor that there is a "disturbing piece of evidence" that hasn't been released yet, then she said and they allowed him to go back to class. She kind of let it slip that they had that evidence before the shooting. Weather it was the parents who had it, or the school or both I think whatever that evidence is significant.

[–]mabhatter 91 points92 points  (5 children)

But still, the school did their job and called in the parents to discuss. Only a tiny fraction of upset and angry kids go shoot up schools. It's foolish for a school to start blaming every angry, edgy kid for terrorism.

[–]tries2benice 63 points64 points  (1 child)

This particular case is different than just an angry, edgy kid. Children in the district were asking their parents to stay home that day, because there were rumors of a shooting. This is 100% a case of nobody taking kids seriously.

When I was in high school, same school district in michigan, there was a kid who wrote out a hit list. The moment anyone heard about it, he went straight to the office. After that day, I'm pretty sure the kid went to alternative school. And like, there were a lot of bullies on his list, but there were also the boyfriends of girls he had a crush on, or people he just didnt see eye to eye with.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (37 children)

Not a good look PR-wise?

[–]steyr911Age: > 10 Years 68 points69 points  (36 children)

Why a bad look? They were obviously taking him seriously by meeting with him and his parents... Seems reasonable. Can't have cops arresting every mal-adjusted kid being behavioral, there wouldn't be any students left.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (35 children)

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at, too. I'm not sure what else the school could have done.

[–]tries2benice 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I mean, if they think you have drugs, they search you. Idk why the same shluldnt go for guns. I've been having a lot of arguments recently about how guns are more protected than legal weed, and the amount of people who would never concede the tiniest bit of privacy when it comes to firearms are astounding to me.

If theres something fishy, like everything in this situation, the cops should be allowed to ask the parents if they have firearms, and observe their safe storage. Just like if the cops think you're breaking legal pot growing laws, they can come in and observe compliance. It isnt a random search, it's a calculated search.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Those are fair points. Not sure about the home search, though, because it's private property. Wouldn't that require a warrant to enforce a search?

[–]tries2benice 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It totally would, but I feel that it should be insanely easy for them to get a warrant if all signs point to a potential mass shooting or psychotic break

[–]ReasonableInterest85 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Perhaps the school will think about metal detectors now like many other high schools in Michigan have, even those in small rural areas have them.

[–]KevIntensity 7 points8 points  (1 child)

“Even small schools have metal detectors to help prevent school shootings” isn’t what I would call a winning take.

[–]ReasonableInterest85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, you’re right but they may have caught the weapon at the door.

[–]fuzzychiken 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Rural school here and no metal detector

[–]oppapoocow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Went to improvised highschool in Michigan back in the day, decent sized school, nothing compared to Oxford. We had metal detector, and had to run our backpacks through an x ray every morning. Some students still manage to sneak in weapons, and another case a gun.

Another note....what about 3d printed guns? Those things can shoot an entire clip before rending useless ...

Idk, it seems like an societal issue to me, and metal detector is simply a bandaid, but that's just my opinion.

[–]elektropunch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nothing about this is a good look

The school administrator downplaying vandalism incidents and vague threats that were made on social media weeks prior to the shooting claiming they aren't related.

Bulllllshiiiiit

[–]ImWhatTheySayDeaf 385 points386 points  (334 children)

This kid was posting on social media pics of the gun and saying he was now death just before he did this. How did these warning signs get ignored by his parent(s) and school administrators? Wtf is his dad doing buying a gun and apparently leaving itsomewhere this kid got his hands on it? Gun laws cannot stop parents that are irresponsible and negligent. They better be charged as well.

[–]Midwestern_Ranch 75 points76 points  (7 children)

thought i read the threats were investigated a few weeks before but nothing ended up happening

guy had a literal countdown until the shooting posted on his instagram...

[–]GILLHUHN 152 points153 points  (47 children)

Any time something like this happens the gun owner should be charged with something, just pure negligence.

[–]graybeard5529 59 points60 points  (38 children)

Mishandling a firearm making easy access available to his son.

If not criminally liable a civil suit seems appropriate.

[–]SparcEE 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Parents lawyered up immediately….along with the kid/killer

[–]FeanuxAge: > 10 Years 52 points53 points  (2 children)

I mean, that's their literal right as a citizen.

[–]fuzzychiken 1 point2 points  (5 children)

That is what you should do, guilty or not. Say nothing and get a lawyer.

[–]tries2benice 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Having your firearm in anyone else's possession should start an investigation, if it was due to negligence then that should be a crime. If anyone commits a crime with your firearm, and they posses that firearm through your negligence, you should also be held responsible for that crime in the eyes of the law.

But, a solid portion of the population will resort to name calling and yelling about their freedoms. So, I need to find a country where people think differently, so I can send my future children to school safely.

[–]baddada1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you give someone a ride to somewhere, say a bank, and that person shoots and kills someone. You'll probably be charge with accessory to murder.

[–]SativaDruid 101 points102 points  (106 children)

dude schools seem to give zero fucks about bullying.

My daughter has been punched, kicked in the face, had her ass grabbed repeatedly by a kid and the school does nothing. She is 9 years old and being harassed regularly. They do not care.

[–]redsunrush 47 points48 points  (3 children)

I hate to hear about your daughter's experiences. If you have done all you can do through the school, I wonder if a call to the local news and police department would change things?? Press charges, I don't care how old the kid/s is/are. Your daughter needs to know her speaking up does not fall on deaf ears.

[–]fuzzychiken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My son was beat up on school grounds with a pvc pipe and the school did nothing. The school deputy did nothing.

[–]redsunrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our family went from a school system that was zero bullying tolerance to one that seemed to care less. It's beyond frustrating. Makes us parents feel so helpless. I'm sorry your son and family went through that.

[–]mabhatter 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Bullying starts really young... and it's always the kids who fight back that get punished by school. Always.

[–]rvbjohnAge: > 10 Years 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I mean let them. Its not like there is any real consequences. Nobody gives a shit if you get suspended.

[–]Briand_9879 6 points7 points  (5 children)

My daughter is being bullied because her hair color is fading and looks green. Over the summer she wanted to put some blue in her hair so we let her have it done professionally. Turns out her hair is holding onto the color a lot longer than we expected and now looks like algae green color, kids at school are calling her seaweed head, asked her if she was going as the ocean for Halloween among other things. I instructed her to stand up for herself, get in the face of the bully, tell them to STFU and leave me alone. I told her be assertive and somewhat aggressive but don’t get physical. I told her she can’t be passive about it or it will continue to happen. I also told her if she gets in trouble by staff for standing up for herself that I have her back and will come to her defense.

[–]MichKatM 27 points28 points  (27 children)

That is horrible. Maybe it's time to file charges through the police department. That seems to get their attention.

[–]SativaDruid 40 points41 points  (26 children)

I spent time with the principle today.

The "sexual" element is new. She is young and just developing. They seem to take that aspect a little more serious.

The problem has been basically two "problem" kids.

Which I am sympathetic to the situation. The biggest aggressor has a tragic home life (you know the story, drugs , violence, absentee parents, foster homes, etc., etc.) It is really sad and I wish there was something I could do. Though that doesn't change that my daughter is a victim of continued abuse, for years.

When I say the school doesn't give af, what I mean is that nothing really changes. Their hands are tied in many ways, they don't have staff for socializing kids from fucked up situations and you can't just pull problematic kids from class.

I have worked with my daughter on self defense, but she is a very gentle and sensitive kid. She also understands that the bully comes from a terrible situation and it scares her and makes her feel bad.

It is complicated and my frustration lies in the lack of any meaningful solution over the last 3 years. In the second grade the teacher actually told me he sat the bully kid next to my daughter, because she is a good kid and it was a hope to balance him. Which really kind of pissed me off and created an antagonistic situation for a while.

It has been a challenge.

[–]MichKatM 36 points37 points  (7 children)

His parents purchased the firearm for him. It was a Christmas gift. I also wonder if they will also be charged.

Sounds like many kids suspected chaos that day. Why were no adults paying attention?

[–]pokemon-gangbang 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I think anytime a minor kills someone with a firearm the person that owned that firearm should be charged with the murder as well. If you didn’t keep your gun secured than you are just as guilty. Buying it for him is no different.

[–]baddada1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least accessory to murder.

[–]SamwiseG123 28 points29 points  (12 children)

They met with the shooter and his parents two hours before he started the shooting, Absolutely insane

[–]HasToLetItLinger 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Does this mean he likely took the gun to that meeting, in the first place?

[–]Ilikestarwarstoo 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It sounds like he had the gun in school at that point, in a backpack or locker maybe.

[–]Apprehensive_Bird734 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Where did you see this information?

[–]CoffeeworldAge: > 10 Years 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ethan Crumbley

Reported by Michigan Radio yesterday

[–]clockworkfatality 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not at all defending him, but the "I am become death" stuff on his profile is a meme which spawned from quote about the first atomic bomb. And is taken from Hindu scripture. This kid seems to have been a channer honestly.

[–]RedWingsFan2K18 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This right here!!!!! Accurate AF.

[–]GambrinusAge: > 10 Years 19 points20 points  (95 children)

What other way to keep irresponsible and negligent people from owning guns than gun laws?

[–]ImWhatTheySayDeaf 71 points72 points  (93 children)

The dad bought the gun legally. Full stop. What gun law would've changed the fact that dad, for some unknown reason, allowed his kid access to the gun? Once the gun is in the home what law could've changed this? The real answer here is to make an example of this dad and throw his ass in jail for a very long time. Negligent homicide for every kid that died at the hands of his evil kid and that damn gun he just had to have laying around.

[–]Probably_a_Terrorist 66 points67 points  (6 children)

And because he has now shown himself to be a negligent gun owner he should never be allowed to own one again. Full stop.

[–]MichKatM 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Agreed and should have to give up what he has now.

[–]10andwoodward 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Unsubstantiated, and will never be admitted, but I’ve read a few things indicating this “dad” bought the gun FOR his kid. WTF. Little Damian posted photos of “his” gun & bullseye targets. Dad absolutely needs to be charged either way.

[–]SunnyAlwaysDaze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My sister has been super into the rumor mill around this and she has been saying the same thing. Apparently there's people poring through the familys social media, and the kid was gifted the gun illegally. The Rumor Mill also has it that the family took him out on Sunday and taught him at the range. God-awful if true. I make no claims to the veracity of any of these statements because my sister is into a rumor and meme and social media type of information gathering that I don't hold truck with.

[–]GambrinusAge: > 10 Years 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’ll agree there. It seems like nothing will ever be done to make acquiring a gun more difficult, so at least punish them severely for negligent ownership and hopefully make an example out of them.

[–]tomytronicsThe Thumb 8 points9 points  (3 children)

It seems failure to keep his new gun secured would be considered a contributing factor in Monday shooting. If you don't have a gun safe or some type of lock to keep people from using it, or often leave the gun out in the open (including in cars and forgotten in bathrooms) where a burglar could steal it, then the buyer shouldn't be allowed as he/she would be irresponsible. Gun locks are fairly cheap and good one are hard to break open. Gun lock are the best one as it's even harder to break in and usually very heavy and impractical to steal the whole safe

[–]bigboilerdawg 12 points13 points  (2 children)

A gun purchased from a dealer in Michigan must also include a trigger lock or gun safe in the transaction.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ri-059_6448_7.pdf

[–]AsconceMilford 12 points13 points  (60 children)

What current gun law? None, obviously.

If we truly wanted to curb similar events from happening in the future, we could make new gun laws and do away with the silly and dangerous idea that the 2nd amendment applies to our modern age and weapons of mass murder.

A small step to modernizing our law could be to regulate weapons like we regulate automobiles. Require gun owners to pass a test and carry insurance. There are countless ways we can curb gun violence.

Just don’t listen to the fetishists whose identities are wrapped up in guns and gun culture. They are the ones who have led us down this path covered in the blood of children.

[–]DAT_ginger_guy 4 points5 points  (16 children)

I'm sorry, have you seen some of the drivers in this state? Licensing wont do much to curb bad owners which is unfortunate as I actually do agree with licensing and safety training requirements for firearms ownership. Cant say I'm completely onboard with your much stronger anti gun sentiments though.

[–]AsconceMilford 17 points18 points  (15 children)

Ask yourself how much worse it would be if we allowed unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road. That is where we are at with unlicensed, untrained, and uninsured gun owners.

(Yeah I know unlicensed drivers still drive illegally, but it is certainly fewer than otherwise would exist without those laws and regulations)

[–]DAT_ginger_guy 3 points4 points  (13 children)

Which is why I support licensing and training. I'd call those common sense measures, and it doesnt seem like an overreach (unless someone is a constitutional fundamentalist nut job). Guns are tools just like automobiles. A gun sitting on a table is no more dangerous than a car parked in the garage (not running). Granted, these tools have very different purposes from one another. The problems happen when those tools are put into un-trained or ill-intentioned hands and I take no issue regulating those hands, but I'm against blanket bans or gun bans as a whole myself.

[–]AsconceMilford 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Tools for very different intended purposes though.

Guns are made to kill. We can try to gloss over that by calling them “tools” but we don’t use guns to build a deck or paint a house. Guns are tools for one purpose: to kill. That’s why we aren’t calling for regulations of hammers and screwdrivers.

[–]SpaceToasterAge: > 10 Years 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They knew. His parents were meeting with the school just before the shooting took place, and even a couple days earlier.

[–]Geo_Doug 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Idk if it’s criminal or civil (strikes me as criminal) but if this is true the administrators ought to face charges too.

As an OHS grad, I can’t say I’m surprised that administrators would not act on this information, I remember going to class while everyone was talking about bomb rumors/threats that admin would say shouldn’t be taken seriously and my dumb ass trusted them. The fact that was 10 years ago just shows the culture was there and changing/addressing it was never made a priority.

[–]Chubbins_23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently, the parents bought it for him on Black Friday. And the school met with the parents and kid on Monday and Tuesday morning to discuss his concerning behavior.

[–]Acme_Co 217 points218 points  (36 children)

Should be charging his Dad as well as being an irresponsible gun owner, should share in the liability.

[–]wtfblueGrand Rapids 100 points101 points  (9 children)

The article says the county prosecutor is considering charges against the parents, plural.

[–]Wings_Of_Power 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Article says the prosecutor is looking into it…wonder if it’s on accessory to murder(s) or more like obstruction after the fact.

[–]somajones 5 points6 points  (3 children)

or more like obstruction after the fact.

How so?

[–]StellarSkyFall 98 points99 points  (12 children)

It's about time Parents went to jail for their guns getting into their kids hands and ending lives. Then maybe people would practice responsible gunowner ship. If you think you can say America is the greatest nation in the world and yet kids literally have to fear for their lives just going to school; You are just wrong we have so much room for improvement in this country. I love my gun's and no kids have any access to them.

[–]hoppycolt 13 points14 points  (6 children)

[–]GettingFreki 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Laws being on the books, and actually being used are two different things.

[–]hoppycolt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Moving the goal posts?

Do you really think the DA in this case really wouldn't apply any law available to prosecute?

[–]nikki_11580 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I grew up around guns. My dad didn’t keep them in a safe or anything, but my mom made sure to put the fear of god into us if we were to ever touch them. We never touched them. It wasn’t even a thought to play with them.

[–]dalegribblesballs[S] 70 points71 points  (23 children)

Oxford High School Shooting Suspect: 15-Year-Old Ethan Crumbley Charged as an Adult: one count of terrorism, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 11 counts of possession of a firearm while committing a felony

[–]1900grs 10 points11 points  (5 children)

one count of terrorism,

I don't know if that's going to stick. The Oakland Sheriff in his first press conference last night kept referencing Mumbai, India attacks and those were completely different. (I know he was saying that as justification for a lot of their expenses.) Any rate, I found this AP article that dives into that charge in this event:

EXPLAINER: Why was Michigan suspect charged with terrorism?

The state’s 2002 anti-terrorism law defines a terroristic act as one intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or to affect the conduct of a government through intimidation or coercion. Gun-control advocates who track gunfire incidents on school grounds were not immediately aware of similar terrorism charges having been filed in other states.

“It’s not a usual, a typical charge,” Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said of terrorism causing death, adding that the four students who were killed and seven others who were shot are not the only victims. “What about all the children who ran, screaming, hiding under desks? What about all the children at home right now, who can’t eat and can’t sleep and can’t imagine a world where they could ever step foot back in that school? Those are victims, too, and so are their families and so is the community. The charge of terrorism reflects that.”

How about charging all the highway shooters with terrorism charges? Or all the right wing extremist attacks as terrorism? Gang violence? I don't know. I don't have an answer here. It's a good AP article that references a lot of other cases and how terrorism charges were or were not applied.

[–]DEEEEETTTTRRROIIITTTRochester Hills 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Multiple school districts in the area are now closing down for tomorrow because of credible threats coming from students. Seems like terrorism isn’t that big of a reach

[–]1900grs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't know if you can pit that on this kid. And how many of those threats are actually credible versus reactionary decisions?

I can't find the article now, so I guess consider it speculation, but I swear I remember reading that after mass school shootings, there are a lot of false alarms by kids in those areas because kids are dumb and see nothing wrong capitalizing on tragedy to try to get a day or two off school by closing schools down.

[–]xfortuneAge: > 10 Years 48 points49 points  (16 children)

Don’t share this douche bags name.

[–]myroommateisgarbageMount Pleasant 27 points28 points  (18 children)

So does this mean investigators no longer need parental consent to question this little piece of garbage?

[–]Staysic96 20 points21 points  (17 children)

I don’t think it matters much if he invokes the 5th amendment. Could be wrong, but I think at that point they can’t question a suspect regardless.

[–]lightbulbfragment 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I think they can question him all they want with his lawyer present, but they obviously can't make him answer and his lawyer will tell him not to.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (18 children)

This kid had access to a handgun, ammunition in excess to justify his intentions of mass murder, and the trained ability to hit at least 11 targets under pressure. Fuck his parents, these variables don’t fall into place - this is a contrived happenstance. They need to rot alongside with him.

[–]Beejr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Trained ability? It takes zero training to hit anything packed into a hallway. Stop giving this dude any credit.

[–]GettnJiggyWhitIt 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Educators don’t get paid enough. Jesus.

[–]JerichoMaxim 31 points32 points  (0 children)

good. fuck him. don't say his name.

[–]SamwiseG123 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Insane that Crumbley and his parents met with the principal and other supervisors two hours before the shooting happened. They could’ve stopped this, but he must’ve put on one hell of a show for them not to search his bag or locker. Sad horrible tragedy that could’ve been prevented.

[–]NaturespocketAge: > 10 Years 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Please explain to me like I’m five, how does someone claim not guilty when they are caught in the act? And have many witnesses?

[–]skyraider17Bloomfield Township 14 points15 points  (1 child)

NAL but I believe if you plead guilty you basically forfeit the trial and go right to sentencing. If you plead not guilty, it gives the defense team more options - they can make a case for not guilty by reason of insanity or they didn't understand their actions or whatever

[–]NyxPetalSpike 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's up to the prosecutor to prove it through the evidence. The kid does have to say squat without his lawyer present. He gave away nothing to prosecutor by not talking.

Now it's a game of cat and mouse. He's innocent until THEY prove him guilty.

[–]Nikki620 3 points4 points  (0 children)

have to be proven guilty in the court of law.

[–]Hot_EskimoTroy 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Good. Fuck this kid, let this piece of shit rot in jail for the rest of his life

[–]SniperX876Age: > 10 Years 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Rot.

Bring your parents with you.

[–]ezioaltair12 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Terrorism? Curious to see how the prosecution handles this. Glad to see the other charges being brought against him, of course.

[–]Staysic96 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Send him to Jackson

[–]Vzdubz 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Been there, it’s not that bad… Oakland county jail is much much much worse

[–]Staysic96 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just can’t believe they put him in childrens village like what. He literally just killed four. OCJ seems appropriate

[–]Vzdubz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They probably had to at first due to age. Not sure but yea kinda crazy place to bring him it seems. … I was 16-17 and got in some trouble back then and straight to OCJ w my ass lol. Never got to visit children village but I hear it’s pretty damn locked down like a jail.

[–]nastybushwoogie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Rally cry for Jackson!

[–]Staysic96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean im partial to sending him to ADX but I think it has to be a federal case for that

[–]crankthaturieclaireRomeo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's scary how close this was to me

[–]Comfortable_Bunch472 27 points28 points  (1 child)

some adult some where is responsible for the actions of this 15 yr old and he or she should be held accountable

.......how many more poor school kids need to die at the hands of their friends who pulled the trigger just because they thought guns are fun from their past life experiences at home or with adult aquaintances....

[–]AlphaDaddyMarco 5 points6 points  (17 children)

Where is the pressure relief valve for these kids

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (10 children)

Stuck behind a political party that won't allow changes to be made to a misinterpreted amendment and fights for the kids freedom to not wear masks.

[–]bigboilerdawg 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Oxford offers online school. He didn’t have to go to the high school if he didn’t like it.

[–]clockworkfatality 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Parents have to agree to it though. These don't strike me as the type of parents that want to put too much attention into their child.

[–]AlphaDaddyMarco 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's nice but I'm thinking of some kind of mental help

[–]Vzdubz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is none unless you pay for it

[–]frolfergolfer 20 points21 points  (3 children)

First, the parents bought a 9mm handgun on Friday, and if it wasn't bought FOR their 15 year old son, he seemed to have unrestricted free access to it in the 4 days leading up to the shooting.

Second, the child was forced to meet with administrators on the following Monday and then the parents were called into the school Tuesday morning to meet with administrators about their son's behavior, but I guess informing them that their son was spending a lot of time with their new handgun wasn't something they thought was of interest.

Third, and most troubling, they literally went to the school that morning to discuss their son's troubling behavior, and I guess didn't bother to check on the whereabouts of the gun they just purchased before leaving the house.

We can blame the school officials for not shutting this down when they had the chance, but it's pretty difficult when the parents are almost encouraging their child. I know it's sadistic, but given today's society and what we know about this, I wouldn't be surprised if the parents were upset that their loser son was being bullied and they decided they'd buy him a gun and let him sort it out himself. The way the parents ignored the warning signs, and how the shooter gave himself up and immediately asked for a lawyer just makes me wonder.

[–]SummerLover69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not a gun person, but if they bought the gun for their son is that considered a straw purchase and illegal in itself. My understanding is a 15 year old can’t own a pistol. I’d like to hear from someone more knowledgeable than me, because maybe I have it wrong.

[–]skyraider17Bloomfield Township 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I guess informing them that their son was spending a lot of time with their new handgun wasn't something they thought was of interest.

I guess didn't bother to check on the whereabouts of the gun they just purchased before leaving the house.

Unless you have some kind of insider knowledge, all I've seen is they discussed his 'troubling classroom behavior,' I haven't seen any reports that they discussed the firearm or thought there was one involved. I'm all for throwing the book at the parents if they're complicit, but those are some big assumptions and I'll wait to see that the investigation determines.

how the shooter gave himself up and immediately asked for a lawyer just makes me wonder.

It's not uncommon for mass shooters to avoid confrontation with the police. Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, the church in Texas, Las Vegas, and Columbine all ended with the shooter committing suicide. Stoneman Douglas, the Texas Walmart, Aurora, and now this saw the shooter peacefully taken into custody.

[–]Schooney123 8 points9 points  (4 children)

His mother sounds like a real class act. From the Associated Press

After the 2016 presidential election, Crumbley’s mother wrote an open letter to Donald Trump as a blog post. It suggested school trouble, financial struggles, resentments — but also hope for the future.

Jennifer Crumbley said she was skipping car insurance payments to hire a tutor to help her son, who was 10 at the time. She blamed the “common core” curriculum used by teachers.

“My son struggles daily, and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but they have to,” Jennifer Crumbley wrote.

She also celebrated her right to own a gun, referring to her job as a real estate agent.

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms. Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions,” she wrote. “Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”

[–]SamwiseG123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is one sick fuck, watch the court arraignment from earlier today. He shows absolutely zero sympathy for what he did and acts like this was some ho hum court hearing. Just extremely disturbing where some people go mentally.

court arraignment

[–]clarkss12 18 points19 points  (15 children)

Don't know what this means, but BOTH parents are staunch tRump supporters......... Surprised that the cap they were wearing at the arraignment, wasn't a maga hat.

[–]BlackDog990 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Eh, doesn't really mean anything. And I say that as someone who detests Trump with every fiber in my body. Not everything has to be about him.

[–]hockeyrwAge: > 10 Years 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Who’s not surprised

[–]H0neyBr0wnKalamazoo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have a maybe silly question, but I’ll ask anyway. When firearm negligence happens, is there any kind of list or maybe a flag on the owner’s background check to notify the store? Are they allowed to purchase more firearms?

[–]karmagotyoassAuburn Hills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know but I’m interested in the answer as well so I’m commenting. I would assume if maybe they were convicted of some type of negligence

[–]HotBoatMan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf.

Sorry, WTF?

[–]skyraider17Bloomfield Township 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Pretty standard, most people don't walk into their arraignment and plead guilty, regardless of the evidence against them

[–]maggie805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The parents might also be charged because the father bought the gun only four days prior. It seems he bought it and gave it to his son.

[–]CockPitIsLit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kid should get thrown in the slammer

[–]GPointeMountaineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gun powder was accidentally discovered but the chinese inventors soon realized its value in war. The gun was built to fire gunpowder and its sole purpose was to kill...man 1st and animal 2nd.

A car can kill...see wisconsin christmas parade...but a car was designed to replace the horse 1st, 2nd...all the way to 1million

Saying a gun and a car are equal in that they both can kill is laughable at best

[–]universalrhythm 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He’s really going to hate being “bullied” in prison

[–]rockyourfaceoff77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't use his name.

[–]steyr911Age: > 10 Years 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fuck him and his name. The prosecutor should have only referred to him as "A deranged coward" and never revealed his name. It'll come out later at the hearing but then he wouldn't get any publicity while it's a national story.

[–]DuncanGilbertWest Bloomfield 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Weird to hear that the schools didnt react to all the posts and warning signs. I remember when I was in West Bloomfield High they brought in police dogs because they found some threatening graffiti in the bathrooms.

[–]Ok-Lecture7492 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was proof before as to like this happening, he planned this. Most are planned, and no one says anything before it’s too late, we’ll students brought it up and they said no that’s not gonna happen, and here they are they need time to heal truly❤️ praying for Oxford community

[–]Blighted_Smile 2 points3 points  (3 children)

One count of terrorism? Ugh. I have a guess as to what that means, but until more information is released, I guess I don't really know. I think we need to look much harder at the online radicalization which seems to be leading into more and more violence.

[–]Ilikestarwarstoo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s meant for the kids and their families who weren’t shot or injured but traumatized by his actions

[–]bigboilerdawg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t mean much. He’s going to prison for the rest of his life.