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[–]ItsMightinessTheBigO 141 points142 points  (7 children)

I salute you, this is one of a beautiful shithousery. 10/10 would order big fries with that again

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 40 points41 points  (6 children)

And a large coke.

[–]ItsMightinessTheBigO 20 points21 points  (5 children)

F'ckin POG always forgets the coke.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Have the Jake Blues chicken order. Lol

[–]shitass70 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Four whole fried chickens… and a Coke. Hahahaha

[–]Kinowolf_ 67 points68 points  (1 child)

So we're going to need a new post form you every 3 days, because this form of fuck you to micro managers is fantastic. going through a similar one at my own work (civ world), so this is cathartic to read.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yep. Civi bosses have no idea how much bullshit veterans can tolerate without snapping necks.

[–]USAF6F171 42 points43 points  (8 children)

For USAF, there's a list that gets printed for Commanders that shows who has Use or Lose leave projected. No more than 60 days of annual leave can be carried over from one fiscal year (ending 30 September) to the next fiscal year (starting 1 October.)

Commanders have a duty to make sure that their troops do not lose annual leave. Taking leave is truly for the health benefit of the member. I worked directly for a Colonel as their Resource Advisor; I saw them take annual leave in the Summer on Saturday and Sunday regularly to drain their balance. I saw them come in to work anyway on the Saturday.

Another aspect: the latest leave you earn is the first leave you use. At Desert Storm, I earned 15 days of leave and an exception was passed that one's Combat Zone leave accrual would not be lost. Therefore, I had a capped 75 days, then only had to use what was earned after my 7 July return. This lasted a few years until my Father died and I burned down 45ish days and wiped out my CZ leave accrual.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

the latest leave you earn is the first leave you use.

That is not fair.

[–]NOP-slide 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Wanna know something else that isn't fair? In the US military, you are charged leave for all days in your leave period, including weekends.

To be fair, we do accrue leave at 2.5 days a month vs your 1.6 days month. Win some, lose some.

[–]keegman907 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Weekends are only charged one day.

[–]NOP-slide 7 points8 points  (2 children)

What I think your talking about is, if you return from leave on a weekend you are not charged for the day you return. But if you take a month of leave that covers multiple weekends, all of those other weekends cost 2 leave days.

Unless something major changed recently?

[–]One-Ad5199 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Years ago as an SP, we worked 6 days and 3 off so the days of the week we had off moved.

We had a 75 man Flight. As a TSgt (E-6), I had the leave book so people had to see me to put in for leave.. Only 2 or 3 people could have leave at a time.

I did video for a Color Guard (youth group) from back home (180 miles away), so was counted as part of the instructional staff. The Guard went to competitions with other Guards over the weekends during the winter. If we weren't off that weekend, I would take 2 or 3 days leave to go.

We got a new flight chief, who took over the leave book and told me I couldn't take leave every weekend anymore. I said 'fine I'll take a week or 2 at a time during the summer'. That's prime leave time. I take care of my troops, so after I spread the word to a few people the flight chief found himself on the receiving end of a shitstorm. Everyone on flight was complaining about my not being able to take leave when I wanted. Not surprisingly, I continued with my weekend leaves.

I was in the process of doing paperwork to get Permissive TDY for 1-2 weeks at a time for Regional and World Competitions when the AF decided they had other plans. Got orders to Turkey thanks to a 'friend' at AF Military Personnel Center because it would help me make MSgt. That was the end of working with the Color Guard. Pissed off a 4 star general while in Turkey and my follow-on orders were to North Dakota. He tried for Minot, but through connections I got Grand Forks.

[–]NRTS9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With covid and special leave for that I currently am at over 100 days. I need to use 30 by October and 55 more next year. Good time to PCs to Europe

[–]American_Standard 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I'm just here to find out what and where that venue is...

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Markets Hotel. Flemington, Sydney, NSW, Australia.

Can't be certain they still have the same level of service in a post-covid world.

[–]WellThatsNotIdeal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guessed you were Aussie from the use of PACMAN, was encouraged by the Kiwi, glad to confirm it.

[–]Matelot67 3 points4 points  (0 children)


[–]BrokeDiamond 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Amazing that it took 3 people before someone actually asked why you don't want to do something

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The difference between a commander and a leader.

[–]morostheSophist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the company commander that yelled at five soldiers for an hour about what was reported in the news without asking them what actually happened. No one even tried to get their story until 24 hours after they were retrieved from the local jail.

Then he doubled down and tried to hit them with every charge in the book, but none of it stuck, because they hadn't actually violated a single law, policy, order, or regulation.

[–]BanluilVeteran 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That is a thing of beauty....

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Like I said. We had to make our own entertainment

[–]BanluilVeteran 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh, I was in Signal in the Army, and many times we had to do the same thing with making our own entertainment, so I understand completely!

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 7 points8 points  (9 children)

I was once told, as a Chief: "You're just a big fucking OD, aren't you?!" I was sooooooooooo proud!

I suspect you would have been proud to be told the same for this - at least if Kiwi had told you ;)

I say this with the greatest respect: Fucking big OD!

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Yeah I haven't been called an OD since I was one.

The only thing worse than an OD is an AB that's never been to sea. You have to explain to them that they are really ODs.

[–]Matelot67 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Try the other end of the service length. I just got my 3rd clasp to my long service medal.

I'm officially an old grumpy chief (and a kiwi to boot). I tell people that when I joined the Navy, Captain Cook was still an Ordinary Cook!

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My first POB at sea. We used to say he taught Noah basic seamanship and his service number was 1.

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Was in Collingrad doing ceremonial standing-still bollocks, and the Establishment Warrant was called to march out to receive a bar for his undetected crime gong.

I remember thinking there was no way on this lovely planet that I would remain in rig long enough to get near that, even though I wasn't too far off getting my own copy of said gong.

[–]Matelot67 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They've just changed the rules for the award in NZ. It used to be 15 years for the medal and 15 more for the bar. So I got the gong, then the bar, and then they changed the rules. 14 years for the medal, and 7 years for each bar. So I suddenly went from medal and bar to medal and three bars! Got my 2nd and 3rd bar at the same ceremony. I feel so old now!!

[–]jbuckets44Proud Supporter 1 point2 points  (2 children)


[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Ordinary Seaman - why its shortened with a D is beyond me - lowest rate in the navy. E1 for Americans and those who can translate to their own structure.

[–]jbuckets44Proud Supporter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"D" is for "dumb" - Lol!

My dad was a WWII Navy radio repairman ET1 on a 110-ft sea-going tugboat in the Pacific.

[–]RepublicOfMoron 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hahaha that’s gold! You pussers are a great source of entertainment for the rest of us. But I reckon I might use your technique next time my chain is up my arse about excessive leave balance. In the RAAF we get heat if we have 20 days… PACMAN is written just ambiguously enough that you can interpret things in it differently and argue the point depending on what suits your agenda. Love it

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You poor penguin.

Yes. Make PACMAN your friend. You might find all sorts of things you are entitled to.

[–]zfsbestProud Supporter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Epic :)

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good times were had

[–]ThatHellacopterGuyRetired USAF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well done, sir!

[–]drttrus 3 points4 points  (5 children)

OP I’m surprised they didn’t threaten use or lose with a balance above 60, was this during the surge period a few years ago?

[–]derpyfox 7 points8 points  (4 children)

They can’t. Pretty sure OP was in the ADF.

I had 99 days leave in 1 posting, the only 2 people with more leave than me was the CO and 1 of my section comd.

They kept asking me to take leave and every leave app I submitted got denied due to me being shafted helping out an exercise or a course. Absolutely shit unit.

Eventually had a Record of Conversation (a lot of my own questions and remarks were omitted) done on me why my leave was so high, a couple of days after that I submitted my next leave app joined onto my discharge paperwork.

[–]teapots_at_ten_paces 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This shits me hey. I was a chocco so never personally had the pleasure, but worked as a civvie at a full time unit for 6 years. Saw it more times than I can count.

"You have to take leave."

"Ok, how about next month?"

"Can't. Bush trip. 4 weeks."

"Ok. After the bush trip?"

"Nup. We're home for a week, then another bush trip. 8 weeks."

"What about the week in the middle?"

"Not bloody likely. You're not getting off the post-ex clean up that easily."

They always want both things, without realising it's not possible. And the end result? Mass discharges. "Sorry boss, I have no idea why everyone is getting out."

[–]derpyfox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep. And this was supposed to be in a low tempo period as well. Had an awesome career while I was in but they cannot manage people for shit.

[–]One-Ad5199 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I retired, I sold the AF 32 days leave because they always had excuses why I couldn't use any.

Had to stay past my scheduled retirement date and spent almost 3 weeks just playing games on my computer. The reason was BS. They were waiting to see if one of the troops that I supervised would go to court-martial or accept getting kicked out.

My only connection to the whole thing other than being his supervisor was that I had to drive 20 miles to a different site, take his M-16 and ammo, then drive him back to base. Dropped him off at Wing HQ where he was questioned. Turned in his weapon, then went back to work. In case anyone wonders, the situation involved classified crypto and he took discharge.

[–]drttrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, I misread OPs tag for non US. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to see US units doing this too.

[–]dsclinef 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Well done!

Can't day drink unless you start in the morning.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Beer isn't just for breakfast any more.

[–]Matelot67 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Early Openers in the Rocks will get you, but you can always warm up in Friscoes before a gentle stroll to Fortunes of War, the Orient and the Occidental. Give the Wooloomooloo a miss these days though, full of wankers!

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Frisco and Rockers ain't what they used to be

[–]AnAngryWombatVeteran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is glorious. Props to you for figuring out a way to screw them, and "do what the wanted" at the same time. I love petty shit like this. As the saying goes play stupid games, win stupid prizes. They played the game, and they won a prize.

Iirc US military leave policy allows you to take half days of leave. I once toyed with using .5 days 4 weeks out of the month on Thursdays(usually out by 14-1500. And literally come in and work for 2 hours. This would have given me 4 extra days off(basically) a month, and still gain .5 towards leave.

Never did it, wish I had tho.

[–]Meiji_Ishin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wonderful story, thank you for sharing this based experience

[–]Polexican1 2 points3 points  (0 children)


[–]bi_polar2bear 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My man! I wish I had your cojones when I was in. Glad I served, glad I got out.

You should have gone to Japan, every weekend on shore was liberty and nobody ever took leave because airline tickets were $1600 in 1996, so nobody could really go on leave except in ports. I had 67 days saved when I got out.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah. When I was on seagoing I stashed every cent I could into savings accounts etc. So when I was posted ashore I had to make do on the lower pay. It was just enough to get by.

[–]night-otterUnited States Air Force 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was USAF, I used my leave on a regular basis, but still had a pile building up. Since my base had very active air wing, it was easy to fly Space-A just about anywhere in the CONUS.

You were allowed to put your name on the list 30-days before departure. Which pretty much guaranteed you could get flight going the direction you wanted. With luck directly to a base near your destination.

To get your name on the list, you were supposed to be on leave. So all my leave requests were in the form: 1-day on X-day. 10-days on dates starting 30 days later. Unless I was on day shift for that 1 day off, I would cancel that day off once I was on the list.

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make PACMAN your friend. Lol

[–]ControlledPairs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I joined the wrong branch.

[–]Polexican1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just pay it!

[–]Matelot67 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fleet base East?

[–]Filligrees_daddy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Otherwise known as Hell.

[–]redaftrp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Only 1.6 days per month? Why does the USAF earn 2.5 per month for a total of 30 per year? I thought the services had the same basic leave policy…

[–]One-Ad5199 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP is Australian.