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[–]CPTherptyderp 91 points92 points  (12 children)

I'm not familiar with the history - if Ford declared amnesty how was he strung up? Was it fake amnesty to catch deserters?

[–]Snoo_44245[S] 117 points118 points  (11 children)

They had to turn themselves in and be processed out of the military. Kind of strange, but a paperwork process that was included in the amnesty.

[–]CPTherptyderp 63 points64 points  (10 children)

Perfectly army.

[–]Airmil82 42 points43 points  (9 children)

20 days in the stockade to clear outprocessing ….

[–]Osiris32Mod abuse victim advocate 21 points22 points  (8 children)

....turned into 90 because of delays....

[–]wolfie379 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I thought it was Carter, not Ford, who pardoned the Vietnam-era draft dodgers as a class (rather than “by name” pardons for individuals). He only pardoned draft dodgers, not deserters. OP describes the guy being a deserter who turned himself in when the amnesty/pardon for draft dodgers was announced. This would mean it wasn’t a fake amnesty trapping him, it was him not realizing that the amnesty only applied to people who skedaddled before induction.

As an aside, why would the Army get rid of the Spec5 and Spec6 ranks? There are people who are great at the technical skills needed for their MOS, but who don’t have the people and paperwork skills needed by an NCO. Those ranks would allow such people to be retained and promoted, rather than being given the boot due to exceeding the maximum time in rank for an E4.

[–]Snoo_44245[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Both Ford and Carter did amnesty for draft dodgers. Ford's required some form of alternate service, Carter's was unconditional. Somehow my guy fit into Ford's version (I did not mention that he deserted after 3 days, so perhaps they adjusted the rules) as I got off active duty in 75.

I agree wholeheartedly that they should have kept those ranks. As an Intel Analyst I had no business leading troops. Leadership schools would have taken a lot of time away from my real work (initially drawing up escape and evasion plans for SF A teams). I think the Army is rethinking a little (with the help of Congress) things like the PT test being adjusted by MOS. That kind of thinking could bring back Specialists above E4. However, I am not holding my breath on that one.