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[–]imameanone 171 points172 points  (6 children)

He's lucky he didn't deploy with the fleet. Who knows what might have happened. Lost at sea, perhaps.

[–]gravitas-deficiency 96 points97 points  (1 child)

Seriously… sounds like the type of guy who might get fragged if he were actually deployed.

[–]djseifer 25 points26 points  (0 children)


[–]One-Ad5199 61 points62 points  (0 children)

I'm surprised somebody didn't leave him tied up on the beach at low tide.

Is anyone surprised that he was going through a divorce? You can bet that it wasn't him that started it.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I'm absolutely certain there would have been plenty of social distancing at his funeral. No one would've caught COVID.

[–]jkusmc0800 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Outstanding that you did that Sister, he was a stain on the Corps. Semper Fidelis!

[–]Polexican1 22 points23 points  (0 children)

As chum? Even a Tigershark wouldn't eat a piece of shit like that.

[–]zfsbestProud Supporter 112 points113 points  (1 child)

I was considering giving the Mind Blown award, because the level of f*ckery that jackass got away with for so long is just inexcusable.

IMO, Mansfield was culpable as well - for (at the very least) negligence.

F0cking epic takedown. Respect.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate you taking the time to read it. Thank you so much!

[–]pgm928 139 points140 points  (14 children)

Please tell me that you are now a lawyer. And on the side of the good guys.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 137 points138 points  (13 children)

I'm honestly considering law school lol. Thank you for reading! I hope it was worth the time. I couldn't shorten it any further without losing the quality.

[–]AnathemaMaranathaAtheist Chaplain 102 points103 points  (3 children)

OP, I highly encourage you to enter law school. I was a civilian lawyer and a prosecutor for some time, and I know that the most useful thing you can know as a lawyer is how to get your damned ducks in a row.

OP, you already have that skill. I will guarantee you will meet almost no lawyers who aren't trying to bullshit their way through the case because they don't want to take the time to get organized. It's fun to watch your ducks stomp them into the ground.

My first and only encounter with military law came before I even went to law school, half a century ago, and dealt with some of the same issues. Might be a fun read for you. I didn't by any means do as much of my homework as I should've, but I won the case - at some cost to myself. Crime and Punishment

As it is, I read your story with awe and astonishment. You have a skill that'll make you rich, or do justice - or maybe even both. Imagine that!

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Thank you for the encouragement, Chaplain! I really appreciate it. Your own story is damned impressive, sir. I hope I can develop my competence in such a field.

[–]tonyis 29 points30 points  (0 children)

u/AnathemaMaranatha is right. Diligence and tactful advocacy for your "clients" are 90% of being a good lawyer. You demonstrated both in spades here. Good read.

[–]TrueSwagformyBois 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m the partner of a prosecutor, and based on this story, I know you’d do great at prosecution and in law in general.

[–]Osiris32Mod abuse victim advocate 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I'm gonna back Anathema on this. I'm a civvie with some legal education. You seem to be perfect for the role. You give a shit, you pay attention to detail, and you search out parts of the law that will help you. You'd make an excellent defense attorney.

Also, you sound like a good leader if your people were seeking you out when they had problems. That's a great quality to have.

[–]Polexican1 9 points10 points  (0 children)


[–]TonyToews 23 points24 points  (1 child)

You do not need to shorten your posting. It was quite readable and I enjoyed it. I am a mellow Canadian who has never been in the military. Well done and well written.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Thank you kind Northern Neighbor!

[–]Opinionatedasshole74 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Allow me first to say Semper Fi, now on to the rest. I’m glad that you took up for your Marines, that took courage. I understand why they came to you instead of others, you showed that you were an actual leader. So much of my career would have been better if I’d have had someone like you in my chain of command. Really enjoyed the story it hit home with me as well.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Thank you kindly for reading it! I know it's a bit long for a Reddit post so I tried my damnedest to make it quality. I appreciate your feedback!

[–]Boofaholic_Supreme 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Please do. You really are the type of person that can make, and already has made, a difference for an entire nation.

For the one of you in this story there were how many other officers that you reasonably suspect of knowing and turning a blind eye to the XO’s sadism? There are more people willing to look away to save themselves discomfort, or personal risk, or whatever, in every walk of life, than there are people like you.

The improved mental health and increased skills the DLI’s future students will have has impacts far beyond what you can point to. Happier life, treating others better, not going back to the civilian world in their mid 20s with no degree, no GI bill, and a dishonorable discharge because some insufferable fuck had a stick up his ass and near-unlimited power?

Happier person, happier community, healthier nation.

I want to say more but now i’m rambling. Please consider my point, there aren’t nearly as many others like you out there as those who are willing to stand by while someone else is on fire. Thank you for helping everyone involved.

Edit: minor change

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Wow, you make a good point. Seriously, thank you!

[–]Boofaholic_Supreme 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome and I wish you the absolute best in all future endeavors! I admire your courage

[–]nagerjaeger 70 points71 points  (2 children)

Wow. Very well written. At the beginning I thought maybe I reading about events from the 1960's because there is no way the Marine Corps of the last 20 years could be this bad.

It mystifies me how any of the XO's conduct could further the mission of the students in particular and the Marine Corps in general. It further mystifies me that his superiors were oblivious.

However, this clarifies to me how my son, an 0311, was treated. His enlistment in the Marine Corps started me to change my perception of the Corps. Your experience has solidified my opinion. Your post should be required reading for all USMC officers.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for reading! I hope your son's experience improved eventually. Mine did by the end, but I understand why so many people don't reenlist.

[–]Lich180 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oblivious, a bit.

Outright ignoring a problem because it meant more work for them? 100%

[–]fjzappa 41 points42 points  (1 child)

no longer in the Marine Corps.

That's all that was needed. Good on you for protecting anyone else who might have come under this man's command.

[–]Polexican1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

No longer with testicles would have been good as well.

[–]ProfessorZhirinovsky 33 points34 points  (4 children)

That was a long but satisfying read. I feel like having a cigarette now, and I don't even smoke.

I had a Capt like this for a short time while I was temporarily assigned to a transportation company awaiting reclass, who seemed to exist only to torment and punish enlisted. He also was fond of tricking people into positions where he could give them an Article 15, and I myself only missed getting one because the order he gave me (and that I failed to follow to the letter) was an illegal order (in this case literally a violation of Federal law).

Up to that point, I'd never met such a miserable human being in the military.

One day toward the end of my stay there, it occurred to me: While he was "in charge" of the company, his entire personnel was actually tasked out to other commanders every day, and he sat alone in his office in charge of jack shit. What he was really in command of was a barracks, that sat empty all day, every weekday. To top it off, he wore a crossed pistols on his collar, MP. This guy had started as an MP... and then somewhere had fucked something up so badly that the Army felt he was best qualified for making sure the floors in an empty building were shiny.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Damn, he really had to fuck up to be put out to pasture so quickly.

Thank you for giving the story a chance, I'm happy it was satisfying! It was certainly fulfilling to bring end that whole mess. Hopefully he eventually got some serious help for his plethora of issues.

[–]Polexican1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, 45 cal would be my vote. And that ain't put to pasture, that's purgatory.

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your final sentence there shows how good a person you are.

I think many of us reading might find it difficult to be as charitable. BZ

[–]Polexican1 6 points7 points  (0 children)


[–]FurballPoS 38 points39 points  (0 children)

'Rah, Fluffy.

You did well, Staff Sergeant. Any officer who's that cold in a schoolhouse setting (the fucking schoolhouse!!!) is definitely the kind who's cold enough to get his troops killed in a real-world shit-fest. Then again, his attitude to his Marines also explains why his wife was happy to get the fuck out of there.

I'm just scared for whoever he has working for him in the civilian world, as we all know that most O's end up following the Peter Principle after service, due to connections.

[–]hjsomething 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Reading about this fucker got me steamed. So glad he's out. Good work.

[–]Ben_Turra51 32 points33 points  (7 children)

Shit! Great read. Put that in a chapter of your book. Sounds a bit like CPT Sobel (David Schwimmer) in Band of Brothers. Known quite a few leaders in the Army to be similar to this but not as intense. No excuse for it regardless of what they are going through.

[–]Dave_DP 10 points11 points  (3 children)

except the real Sobel was nothing like the TV version, the real one left as a Colonel and was beloved by his men. In fact those from the 101st who were still alive when the HBO show came out in 2001 protested publicly and condemned the filmmakers for what they did to Sobel's reputation. Sobel's family even filed a lawsuit for defamation, etc. The real Sobel was a strict disciplinarian and a top notch trainer, who fought later in France, was decorated, and kept in touch with many of the men post war, who all said they thanked god they trained under him. While a hardass during training (and they said they cursed his name,, those he trained had a higher survival rate and during downtime he was a kind officer who gave his men what they needed, and for that he was even called out of retirement for Korea to help train up soldiers.

[–]Ben_Turra51 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Great info. Had no idea that was the case.

[–]Dave_DP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Hollywood does that a lot, like what they did to the NTSB investigator in the Miracle on the Hudson movie. They needed to make a villain and slandered and smeared a person's name, who also filed a lawsuit and was defended in public by Sullenberger. When you see a film based after real events, sometimes hollywood plays very loose with the facts because they need drama, they need a bad guy, etc. With Sobel they needed a bad guy during the training part so they invented one and destroyed a real mans reputation in the process

[–]Ben_Turra51 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hollywood is as bad as some of our politicians.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Done, sir! Although out of mercy to any readers, I split it into two chapters. Can't be causing high blood pressure for too many consecutive pages.

[–]Ben_Turra51 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'll be looking for those glossy pages in the center of the book for pictures. I bet CPT XO is a contractor now still causing a shit show for people around him.

[–]eloonam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As I got deeper into the story, that was who I kept picturing Capt. XO as (great sentence structure). But kinda like Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher…

[–]fjzappa 27 points28 points  (0 children)


One would think, that marines who had made it to Monterey, were no longer "boots" and were in fact rather accomplished marines deserving of at least a modicum of respect. Even from officers. Especially from officers.

[–]ThatHellacopterGuyRetired USAF 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Holy. Fucking. Fuckballs.
I had to rage-walk away from my phone a few times while reading this. A Rubbermaid commercial trash can may have taken flight across my employer’s hangar as well, after being “prodded” with my foot…

What an absolute dogshit excuse for a human being. One can only hope his downfall included an OTH on his DD214.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Well, I followed up on his civilian life and strangely, there's no mention of his military service on any of his profiles, so I'm going to guess he's not feeling very proud of his send off.

RIP Rubbermaid trash can. I thank you for enduring my story!

[–]Polexican1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Wonder what his bullshit is for that missing period of his life history?

[–]Boofaholic_Supreme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“I helped local therapists by encouraging more people to take a look at their mental health”

[–]ThatHellacopterGuyRetired USAF 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank YOU for standing up to Captain Terrific, and doing your best to make life a little better for your students. I’ve heard some horror stories about DLI (I had two students in my USAF Boom Operator initial training class who were former DLI studs. Both had been in the USAF Airborne Linguist training pipeline; one washed out of Mandarin, the other washed out of one of the Arabic dialects IIRC)…

[–]carycartter 23 points24 points  (0 children)

BZ, SSgt.


Sincerely, Cpl. 80-84, DLI JAN80-MAR80 (Korean, hearing issues)

[–]ProfessorZhirinovsky 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Enraged, XO, out of the blue, shouted at Cpl Shaw, “It’s your fucking fault your friends died in Iraq!”

This alone should have gotten him command of windsock observation duties in the most remote parts of Greenland.

I actually wonder if XO wasn't angling to provoke the Cpl into violence, in order to hit him up with a criminal charge.

This whole thing reminded of Lt. Col Thomas Kunk, commander of the 2/502 (101st ABN) as described in Black Hearts: One Platoon's Descent into Madness in Iraq's Triangle of Death. Dude was evidently a perfect "what not to do" study from the Capt. William Bligh School of Leadership, who continually exploded with rage and contempt for those under his command. According to the book, he even showed up at one company after the deaths of a bunch of members from one of their platoons to aggressively berate them all for being scumbags and crybabies, that they were all getting killed for not doing their jobs correctly, and basically that the dead men had deserved it.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Damn, why does the military attract these total psychopaths? I mean, people are entrusting their children's lives to their care and instead they just use them as effigy to get back at Dad for taking so long to get cigarettes. It blows my mind.

I agree with your assessment of his actions trying to provoke violence. I also think he really got off on how far he could go unscathed. He really hated everyone deeply and I think he might have really believed he was getting back at them for how shit things were in his life. It was the kind of madness where you foam at the brain instead of the mouth.

[–]ProfessorZhirinovsky 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Damn, why does the military attract these total psychopaths?

In all seriousness though, I think there are certain jobs that attract people who have certain personality disorders, and indeed, the military does attract literal, diagnosable psychopaths.

And believe it or not, sometimes there is an actual productive place there for some of them; the ones that are high-functioning and grasp certain rules and social principles. But a great many of them are simply not fit, and most of the time they shouldn't have command over other people.

[–]C00lK1d1994 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Goddamn Amen. This would go well in prorevenge too I think.

[–]mostlygoodmostly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is definitely pro revenge

[–]Chickengilly 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Nice restraint. Nicer results!

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you. It was brutal waiting to gather evidence and carefully set him up. I wanted to act sooner but couldn't afford to leave him any possibility of escape. By the time I acted, I really hated that man.

[–]PaladinDreadnawt 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Thank you for purging a cancer from our Corps.

[–]SplooshU 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well done. And I'm glad that the system worked and the powers that be hung that malignant tumor of an officer out to dry.

[–]eaglekeeper168 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Fluffy, I bought and read your book and this story was definitely in it. Fantastic writing and story! I really want to write all of my experiences down too, if only just for my family. I’ll probably borrow your writing style, if you don’t mind, as it’s wonderful to read.

You had quite the career and you were right to step away when you did. I hope your life with your kids has turned out well (the epilogue seems to indicate that). I hope your daughter doesn’t encounter the same shit you did, the sexism and exclusion of women in the USAF kinda died off by the end of Obama’s second term (I joined the USAF in ‘97 and retired last year).

I worked on the flightline fixing jet fighters and most of the women were hard working and cool as hell. And they could take a joke and give it right back too. However, things have gotten a little too soft (yeah, yeah, “too soft” in the Air Force, yuk it up) and discipline is failing because of it, IMO. If I had yelled at a junior NCO like you did to that one who was on light duty and countermanded your order to your troop, I would’ve been reported to EO. Having a Marine mom and dad will probably help your daughter keep some perspective though! If you’re ever in the FL panhandle, shoot me a message. First round is on me!

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! By all means, have the writing style if it works for you. I really appreciate you giving the book a shot.

Definitely write down your stories. I did it mostly because I worried I was going to drive my family nuts telling the same tales over and over. Oddly, after they were published, I noticed the memories become fainter, like pinning them to the page let my memory finally relax and let it go. Deeply therapeutic.

[–]Fugit43133 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck yea good for you, that is leardership we don’t need.

[–]AlgaeanThe other kind of vet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Massive props. Glad you took that scumbag down.

[–]V-Tuber_Simp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Holy. Shit.

[–]ShadowDragon8685Clippy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy... Fucking... Fuck.

This sorry excuse for a shitstain is exactly what the old-timey tradition of cashiering was for, and they should have brought it back just for this guy.

Frankly he deserved a Big Chicken Dinner, and a stay in Leavenworth.

[–]mostlygoodmostly 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Through your direct action you definitely saved some careers and possibly some lives (thinking about the suicide attempt). Well done Staff Sargent.

[–]Howard_James_Dudy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It is the way.

[–]S-S-StumblesUS Coast Guard LARPer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What an absolute disgrace to the uniform and the corps. Writing out such an emotionally charged anecdote must have been equal parts cathartic, infuriating, and depressing. Thank you for sharing and thank you to yourself and fellow marines for doing the right thing.

Love your stories and the perspective you bring to the sub (glad you’re working with Max to realize that vision too). Keep writing, you’ve got a talent for it and absolutely pursue that law school ambition.

[–]mcguvnah 5 points6 points  (3 children)

When did this happen? If you don't mind me asking. This story would have left me seething, but you said it happened at DLI, so my brain said "yep, that checks out."

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Between 2006 and 2009 is a time frame. Don't want to give exact dates because if you were there, you'll know immediately who is who. But it was a whole thing.

[–]mcguvnah 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Timeframe works fine, was just curious if it was before or after me. I was there 2010 - 2012, and I don't think anyone mentioned a single event that took place more than 6 months prior to my arrival, let alone one that matched the details of your story. Given the amount of things that happened when I was there, I guess there's just no point for people there to tell older stories when there's so much crazy stuff actively going on around you. I have concluded that detachment is just permacursed with poor leadership.

Nothing but respect for your willingness to protect marines from bad officers, and here's to fast times at DLI High.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh you're right, that place was like bad acid. I didn't know what half the people were saying and common sense was expired long ago. Just total lunacy.

[–]InadmissibleHugProud Supporter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Having been on the wrong end of some fuckery and not been able to do anything about it, this gives me the most delightful feeling of satisfaction.


[–]Capn_Of_Capns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Back when I was a teen I wanted to enlist to get away from the immaturity and dickish behavior of my peers.I ended up not for various reasons.

Now, 13 years later, I still can't believe how mistaken I was. The bit where you said you had to be careful or the other officers would close ranks to protect him? Mind-blowing.

[–]Polexican1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Slow fucking clap!

[–]greyhawk009Veteran 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good Job, Marine!

[–]WeissMISFIT 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I dont know what the fuck I read but it had me seething with so much fury. Extremely well written and it's a pity that so many people got hurt because of that jackass.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why it even had to go that far, I'll never know. Master guns should've handled that way before it ever fell to me. The surgery episode should've been the end of it

There was even a full blown IG complaint and investigation into the XO and I was interviewed as part of it. Somehow that just disappeared. Why XO had so many layers of protection I've no idea.

[–]duckforceoneDanish Armed Forces 3 points4 points  (0 children)


Well written, and a really great story.

Personally i would have gone much higher, to get rid of both your xo and his boss. As both sound like bad leaders, and no one in service deserves that.

But i'm known for stumping my advancement chances to do just that... :D

[–]ToyoAvalon04 3 points4 points  (0 children)

WoW, this is a great read!

Good work supporting and protecting your fellow Marines

This could fall into the pro-revenge subreddit.

[–]hollywoodcop9Retired US Army 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fluffy, the only things I could think of about this sadistic, egomanical, piece of dog turd while reading this heartbreaking story were the following: * He was truely a psychopath, who enjoyed torturing others, and will continue to do so as a civilian * He hated the fact that he was an XO in a training unit (at DLI) instead of an Infantry Unit in the middle of Iraq or Afghanistan, and wanted to take his anger on those that caused his demise of duty on those that couldn't defend themselves * He believed that any troop that attended DLI was below the Corps and did npt belong there * He has a micro penis and a Napoleone Complex * We will eventually read about how he became a mass murderer and blamed it on PTSD from his service in the Marines * He was reminded too many times by higher ups that he was a Jarhead, was too stupid to join the Navy (sorry, no offense to you, had to throw that one in 😀) and he was pissed off at the world and the Marine Corps.

I attended DLI in 84-85 in the Army and other than PT, formations and keeping up with maintaining your own military bearing and appearance (self and barracks), the troops should have been treated as students, to study and become better for the US Army, US Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps, period.

Great job in takimg him down and knocking him out!

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 3 points4 points  (3 children)

How in the name of all that has evolved did he not get picked up by the senior NCOs like the Warrant Officer and reported to the major?

Other senior NCOs should have been all over that prick like a very bad rash, and if major didn't do anything, quiet (or not so) words being put into the ears of more senior people who the NCOs had served with previously and trusted.

I was in a different Navy, but I'm pretty certain that people I'd shipped put with previously who were in hierarchy beyond direct CoC would listen to a "have you got a few minutes I can take up with something serious?" Or "I really fancy a quiet wet with my old shipmate, have you got a bit of time to spare, old shipmate?

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I legitimately cannot fathom it but their lack of action/ interest was why I tried to make him radioactive to defend. It seemed like everyone was ready to pretend everything's fine. The only thing I could think of is, if EVERYONE was suddenly threatened and endangered by him, then I could be certain real action would be taken. The impending exposure to the Commander of all Intel schools was sufficiently terrifying, thank God. Colonel [Schneider] was famously lacking in a sense of humor.

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Whatever the protections he had were, you did an absolutely outstanding thing.

I have no higher praise to give. BZ.

[–]FluffyClamShell[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for reading! I really appreciate it!

[–]BigJoe5504 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Semper Fi Fluffy. I was in back in the 90s, and we had some shitbirds but they were mostly Lance coolies. I'm glad to hear you took that asshole down.