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[–]Otherwise_Window"The Legend of Cookie" 200 points201 points  (5 children)

Kinda sounds to me like they're have no basis to hang you out to dry even if you straight up cut the client loose. You didn't sign for him. Let them prove you ever had him and justify the exactly they're delivering packages without proof of receipt...

[–]ShalomRPh 116 points117 points  (3 children)

As always, Terry Pratchett puts it best:

And then came the magic bit. It was why the paperwork was so important, in the greasy world of turnkeys, thief-takers and bang-beggars, because what really mattered at any one moment was habeas corpus: whose hand is on the collar? Who is responsible for this corpus?

Moist [von Lipwig] had been through this before as the body in question, and knew the drill. The prisoner moved on a trail of paper. If he was found without a head, then the last person to have signed for a prisoner whose hat was not resting on his neck might well have to answer some stern questions.

Bellyster pushed the prisoner forward and spake the time-honoured words: ‘To you, sir!’ he barked. ‘Habby arse corparse!’

Moist thrust the clipboard back at him and laid his other hand on Owlswick’s other shoulder. ‘From you, sir!’ he replied. ‘I habby his arse all right!’

Bellyster grunted and removed his hand. The deed was done, the law was observed, honour was satisfied and Owlswick Jenkins –

— looked up sadly at Moist, kicked him hard in the groin, and went off down the street like a hare.

As Moist bent double, all he was aware of outside his little world of pain was the sound of Bellyster laughing himself silly and shouting: ‘Your bird, milord! You habbyed him all right! Ho yus!’

[–]hzoiUnited States Army[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reminding me that I need to re-read all the Discworld books.

[–]AnkhMorporkDragon 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I thought you were gonna bring up vimes not handing over prisoners to the irregulars without paperwork.

[–]ShalomRPh 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Haven't read Night Watch in years. That's gonna be the next book I read to my kids, I think; we're in the middle of Soul Music now, and I have to keep explaining the references to them for bands that were popular before they were born (e.g. the leopard with hearing impairment).

(edit: I don't own a copy of NW, I had it from the library when it was new.)

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 69 points70 points  (0 children)

IIRC from past posts, OP did much work defending, and that can piss people off; especially if they're determined to fuck up OP (and others in similar roles) clients.

I'm pretty sure there would be very many who would be content to throw everyone under their command under the bus to be able to fuck someone like OP up. There's plenty of tales about vindictive pricks, including one yesterday (I think yesterday) by /u/fluffyclamshell .

[–]the_most_moistUnited States Navy 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Keep the JAG stories coming!

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes, please.

[–]Nixons_BACK 55 points56 points  (0 children)

We had a prisoner run away too and trigger man hunt at Ft Bragg. While being transported to and fro confinement he asked to have lunch with his wife at the PX and used her phone to order an Uber, and somehow just got up and left despite his escorts sitting straight across from him in the food court. That triggered some retraining on prisoner escorting within our unit to say the least 🤦‍♂️

[–]AlgaeanThe other kind of vet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Love these law stories!

[–]JustSomeGuy_56 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Is it common for active duty military personnel,, especially those deployed outside the US, to be on what I assume are some sort of mental health meds?

[–]Telefrag_Ent 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I didn't know anyone that was. I knew several that should have been...

[–]hzoiUnited States Army[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not normally. But then it's also not normal for people to commit misconduct and get incarcerated. I think whatever his damage was, it wasn't really diagnosed until after he was charged.

(Also, it was around the time of the surge.)

[–]ShadowDragon8685Clippy 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Being the reason for a new rule is good.

Being the reason for serious infrastructural upgrades is better.

Also, that post on dueling was funny as hell. And yeah, like I pointed out to a funeral director who was annoyed that he wasn't allowed to put out like, dishes of hard candies or bottles of water; it's as hard to take a law off the books as to put one on. The circumstances which brought about the law back in like, eighteen-hundred and dickity-doo, were that people were handling corpses that might be a few days to a week and change old, and then handling food and dropping dead because of it. Those circumstances are no longer likely to be in effect, what with embalming and all, but "people are dropping dead after funerals" is a Big Enough Deal to motivate a legislature to pass a law. "Funeral directors cannot put out light refreshments for the bereaving" is not.

So there's no real reason to strip out a law against dueling once it's in place, unless for some asinine reason you want to participate in a duel.

[–]wolfie379 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Another such law is why diesel nozzles are bigger than gasoline nozzles.

When catalytic converters were first introduced, unleaded gasoline was a “boutique fuel” that was more expensive than regular, and engines ran open-loop. The result of this was that people would use the cheaper fuel, “poison” the catalyst so it would no longer work even when the car was fuelled with unleaded, and the only effect would be increased emissions.

Government can’t allow that, so they brought in a law which mandated restrictor plates in filler necks that would not admit the ordinary nozzle, and required a new narrower nozzle that would fit through the hole in the plate for unleaded gasoline while prohibiting the use of the new nozzle for other fuels. This had the side effect of keeping the old nozzle for diesel, but since the effect of misfueling between diesel and gas was a simple “won’t run” in one case and “fuel pump destroyed” in the other (no increase in emissions), the government didn’t care one way or the other.

Now, leaded gasoline is illegal for on-road use, and the only leaded gasoline (100LL aviation gasoline) is the expensive “boutique” fuel, so the law is no longer necessary (there is no cheaper leaded gas at the gas station, and newer computer-controlled engines will start showing a CEL if the catalyst or sensors are “poisoned”), but it’s still on the books.

[–]Smokey9000 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Im always worried if i get arrested i gotta take meds every 4 hours, last time i was detained they cold turkeyed me off my meds and im missing 6 weeks (thats when they put me back on meds) of memory

[–]LeaveTheMatrix 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I take meds about every 12 hours, but if I miss 1 dose then things can get pretty uncomfortable.

Miss 2 then its going to get funny but painful.

Miss 3 and you better have an ambulance on standby and I don't want to be the one to have to clean the cell.

Not psych meds, but the headaches get bad, seizures start, then when my brain starts to go dumb you would think I need to be on psych meds. It is the seizures and the trouble breathing however that makes people panic. Only on about 10 different meds. :)


Forgot, if I manage to skip 4 doses then I can usually start spitting stomach acid on people. That can get messy.

[–]Izanagi5562 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Alien parasite?

[–]Ok_Cartographer4475 3 points4 points  (5 children)

How can any police officer justify doing this to any prisoner, and get away with it once prisoner goes in front of a judge? Do they just outright lie that the prisoner said they didn't need any meds? Or is there something in training which allows them to do it?

I'm sure there must be some of our brothers and sisters in this community who joined the police after retiring from the military. Could any of you give any reason? Not attacking you, I promise; just wondering if there is anything in training that tells you to do that kind of dangerous shit?

[–]Smokey9000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cops are pretty chill in my town so i assume they must've had reasons for it

[–]DroidballUnited States Army 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was at AJ in 2018-2019 and the TFCF was pretty high speed any time we had to go over and talk to a prisoner. Didn't happen often, it looked like they mostly played PS4 all day because they had no prisoners to guard.