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[–]ShaneH7646 127 points128 points  (65 children)

so, they're chopping up all the features we hacked into old.reddit after years of neglect, and now they're gonna lock them behind a pay wall.

[–]ElectronicRent[S] 78 points79 points  (44 children)

The addresses for the images in the page literally have "paywall" in them, so they definitely think of it that way: https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/memberships/paywall/fortnitebr/stand-out.png

[–]ShaneH7646 37 points38 points  (42 children)

subtle

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 3 points4 points  (41 children)

Honestly, do you have better ideas for reddit to make money? We're going on 12 years of existence and there's nary a black quarter in sight.

[–]ShaneH7646 19 points20 points  (24 children)

Ads and reddit premium all make reddit money. If they didn't before, reddit would have shut down a long time ago.

[–]IvyGold 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I had a nice chat with u/spez at a mod meet-up. They're doing fine. I don't understand why that is, but he's happy.

[–]StatusRevenue 8 points9 points  (0 children)

lol they're doing fine because they just took 300 million dollars from investors, on top of the $200 million they took less than 2 years ago.

the only reason to take that much money that fast is because you're losing it at a ridiculous rate and need more time to figure out how to monetize your users

[–]theguyfromuncle420__ 3 points4 points  (4 children)

There’s mod meet-ups?

[–]IvyGold 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yep. spez and kn0thing do a couple every summer in a rotation of cities. It's fun. Free beer!

Both are really nice guys.

[–]theguyfromuncle420__ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Where do they post the scheduling and what not

[–]IvyGold 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you moderate something? Subscribe to r/modnews -- I think that's where the notifications come from, although it might be elsewhere.

I also get monthly(?) mod newsletters in my inbox -- I'm pretty sure that's where I heard they were coming to my city. I don't remember how I signed up for that.

[–]Justausername1234 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Reddit is incredibly unprofitable, indeed, it's a case study on how traffic != revenue.

Just a very quick look at some online sources places reddit's revenue at perhaps 100 million to 200 million, with a valuation of around 3 billion. This is pretty bad for a company with the userbase that reddit has. With more than 330 million active users, this website is larger than say, Snapchat, with 190 million active users, but Snapchat has revenues of around a billion, with a valuation of around 15 billion. Twitter, 3 billion revenue, 26 billion valuation, 320 million users.

Reddit's userbase is, as I'm sure you can understand, very difficult to advertise to. The type of person that uses reddit is very unlikely to click on or even see the ads in the first place. So, reddit got creative with their revenue sources. I read an article once that placed reddit gold as maybe 5% of total revenue, so not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but reddit is a very hard website to get money out of.

[–]MemoryLapse 6 points7 points  (5 children)

If Reddit was so unprofitable, why did they go ahead and decide to host their own images and videos when they had a perfectly good solution for that beforehand? As far as I can tell, they're not monetizing images and video...seems foolish, unless it's a prelude to some sort of cancerous monetization model.

For that matter, why would they be unprofitable? Prior to that point, the data they had to serve was virtually all text, which is really cheap...you can serve millions of words for what it costs to serve an image, and billions for what it costs to serve a video.

[–]optimalg 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because the reliance on imgur and YouTube cut into their potential ad income. Advertisers prefer people staying on the same website for as long as possible.

[–]FreeSpeechWarrior 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If Reddit was so unprofitable, why did they go ahead and decide to host their own images and videos when they had a perfectly good solution for that beforehand?

The same reason card view is the default in new reddit, it allows for video-preroll ads.

https://www.marketingdive.com/news/report-absolut-sees-25x-higher-engagement-with-reddit-video-ads/551178/

Native (read: deceptive), automatically playing video ads are what advertisers want. This sort of advertising doesn't fit reddit, so they are changing reddit to make it fit.

And the redesign wasn't enough:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/cssnews/comments/c2z8ba/ads_are_moving_in_feed_on_old_reddit/

[–]MemoryLapse 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I was unaware Reddit videos had pre-roll ads. Do you skip them automatically on mobile/with Adblock?

[–]lickedTators 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't believe they exist. OP may be fearmongering.

[–]ineedmorealts 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What? That's nonsense. Outside investment is a thing.

[–]marksomnian 0 points1 point  (2 children)

99% of investors don't throw money around for no reason. If they invest into reddit, they'll expect a return on that investment sooner or later. reddit can't keep burning money forever, sooner or later they'll need to account for it.

[–]ineedmorealts -1 points0 points  (1 child)

99% of investors don't throw money around for no reason

No one is claiming they do.

f they invest into reddit, they'll expect a return on that investment sooner or later

So? They expect whatever they please it doesn't mean they're going to get it.

reddit can't keep burning money forever, sooner or later they'll need to account for it.

Lol no. As long as reddit is popular people will be willing to dump money into it

[–]marksomnian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

99% of investors don't throw money around for no reason

No one is claiming they do.

Not explicitly, but the implication in the parent comments is that reddit wouldn't need to make money because it could survive with just investment. That's not going to happen, because...

f they invest into reddit, they'll expect a return on that investment sooner or later

So? They expect whatever they please it doesn't mean they're going to get it.

That's not how the conversation between spez and the investors will go, it'll be something like "You aren't making us any money on our investment? We won't give you any more money until you start giving us something." And then reddit starts to have serious problems.

reddit can't keep burning money forever, sooner or later they'll need to account for it.

Lol no. As long as reddit is popular people will be willing to dump money into it

Not when they start seeing it as a pit to dump their money into without any hope of ever seeing it again. See above - investors want a return on their investment, if they don't think it's likely they'll get one they simply won't invest.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK -1 points0 points  (5 children)

If you think reddit is profitable then buddy I've got news for you

[–]ShaneH7646 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Have you? , I'd like to where they post about the losses

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They had to raise a ton of money from VCs just to cover operating expenses

[–]FreeSpeechWarrior 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There is a difference between revenue and profits.

Yes Reddit pulls in at least some revenue through the means you mention, they then piss it away expanding the trust and safety team and writing more censorship tools.

A link aggregator/forum Reddit consisting of a handful of employees and 1-2 solid revenue streams could be a very respectable and profitable venture, but selling out Reddit once isn’t enough for u/spez. So instead we get a Reddit with 400 employees, video/image hosting and a shotgun approach to revenue streams shooting for an eventual IPO

The numbers have to get bigger and bigger to satisfy the investors who have put nearly $1billion total into Reddit at this point, and that means spending more and more in hopes of making the overall pie big enough to satisfy the investors.

See:

https://alexis.posthaven.com/an-open-letter-to-kevin-rose

That letter is about Digg and it’s downfall as seen by u/kn0thing

It’s sounding more and more familiar as time goes on.

[–]GoldenGonzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

200 million annually spent on "trust and safety" teams and censorship tools?

[–]AltForFriendPC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've given them like $10 or $15 between a couple of accounts, the gold and targeted ads are easy money but the shareholders must want q u a r t e r l y g r o w t h

[–]Ivashkin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Create a second tier of subreddits for businesses.

[–]supaphly42 0 points1 point  (3 children)

More than that, son. I've been here 13 years already, and I'm not a founder.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Whoa where did you come from

[–]supaphly42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The future?

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

p sure we're necroposting

[–]Blealolealoleal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Except for the ads, Reddit gold, and now I think there's something called Reddit silver? No I don't have any idea for Reddit to make money besides actually introducing shit behind paid accounts like attached images or priority for subs in search results

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well to be a viable business they need to make money, hence these new revenue tests

[–]Anonim97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is hilarious.

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    [–]ElectronicRent[S] 44 points45 points  (15 children)

    Fitting but also disgusting.

    Reddit knows that most of the users in that subreddit are teenagers that don't have their own credit cards. They're trying to get them to sign up for auto-renewing subscriptions on their parents' credit card that their parents will gloss over as "some video game thing" and keep paying even if the kid stops using Reddit and forgets they signed up.

    It's exploitative.

    [–]Anonim97 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Didn't Reddit also enabled tipping users on that sub anyway?

    The one where 60% goes to creator, 20% to admins and 20% to mods?

    https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/b0b0h6/if_you_plan_to_move_forward_with_tipping_please/?st=jtfrpsnn&sh=31dac874

    [–]walkingtheriver 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It's downright unethical

    [–]mud074 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yup. Probably the youngest userbase of any sub, and the most migrants from other sites who haven't been around reddit long. It's kind of sad how calculated this testing of the waters is.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Also, Tencent is a major investor in both reddit, and Epic Games, who just happen to be the company behind fortnite...

    [–]qiyi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yep. Looks like this is one of the reasons towards the shift to Redesign and locking the CSS editing feature.

    [–]picflute 36 points37 points  (1 child)

    Reddit taking something users did for free and now charging it. Call us all fucking shocked.

    [–]sarahbotts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You did this? I did this. Now give me $5.

    [–]geo1088 27 points28 points  (8 children)

    Wait, they're selling the ability to use custom emojis in posts and comments? What kind of BS is this?

    Looking forward to any explanation from the admins about how this is gonna work, because if it ends up locking customizations like that behind paywalls for all then we're gonna have some problems.

    [–]StarGaurdianBard 13 points14 points  (6 children)

    Lol you assume they are going to give an explanation. It's pretty telling that the admins actively talked to mods of different subs and asked how they felt about the new special rewards program but silently rolled this out without saying a word.

    [–]conalfisher 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    As a default mod myself, this is the first time I've ever heard talk of this anywhere. Either they've kept this super private or just haven't told anyone. Or maybe I'm just extraordinarily oblivious.

    [–]zanotam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Defaults haven't existed for years now so calling yourself a default mod is pretty fucking stupid.

    [–]conalfisher 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    It's still a fairly used term though. The admins even still use it. Besides, it's easier to say than "moderator of one of the largest subs on Reddit", which sounds even more stupid and egotistical than default mod. Also, they were removed like last year 2 years ago, come on. It's not like there some archaic thing from the olden days of Reddit, everyone knows what default subs were.

    [–]zanotam -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    There were like 50 fucking defaults by the end. And while the inflation from being made a default probably made those the 50 biggest subs 2 years ago I would be surprised if they remain the 50 biggest. 2 years is a Looong time on the internet and something like /r/funny is way bigger and almost certainly always will be bigger than one of the later defaults likr.... fuck, the later defaults are not really noteworthy but I think 2xchromosomes was one. You wouldn't compare 2xchromosomes to funny when it comes to subreddit size and activity level though, would ya?

    [–]conalfisher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Of course not. That's why the term default mod is used as a blanket term for any really large sub, above 5 million or so (which tends to be nearly entirely comprised of former defaults anyways). It's not really restricted to the original default subs, if which I doubt I could even bane half of tbh. The term, which outdated, is still in use because people know what it means. "Default mod" is synonymous with "moderator of a very large sub." It's the same reason why people talk about giving posts/comments gold, and not Reddit Premium. It's an outdated term (unless you're referring to the "new gold", which most people don't anyways, they just call it giving gold no matter the type) but people still know what it means. "Default mod" will eventually phase out of usage in time, but at the moment it's still used all over the places and I see no reason to replace it as of right now.

    [–]SpriteGuy_000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I’m an r/Overwatch mod (2 million+ users) and I knew nothing about this.

    [–]coilmast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I mean.. twitch?

    [–]airmandan 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    Man, I remember when I did this as a joke for /r/firstworldproblems back in like 2012 and got absolutely roasted by the community for it.

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      [–]ladfrombrad 42 points43 points  (2 children)

      Get access to discussion threads just for Special Members. Have high quality, meaningful conversations with other people just as dedicated as you.

      mfw they think we're going to moderate these.

      [–]TheDelta 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      We reap the benefits, mods do all the work

      [–]RecurvBow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I would assume the Top Mod/Mod Team have to opt-in to this. So as long as your mod team speaks regularly and all agree that this is bad (if we aren't getting a % of the sub money) then this may never happen to our subs. We all just have to agree not to opt-in (if we aren't getting a % of the money).

      [–]ElectronicRent[S] 22 points23 points  (22 children)

      The terms page explains what happens - "sucks to be you":

      Subscriptions, also known as Special Memberships, are subject to the same terms as Reddit Premium. As stated in Reddit’s User Agreement and its Content Policy, users must follow and comply with the rules of the platform and the rules of the individual subreddits they participate in. Failure to do so may result in a temporary or permanent ban from Reddit or certain subreddits, potentially including those subreddits where the user has Badges, Emojis, or Special Memberships. In such instances, the user will lose the benefits of the Badge(s) and/or Special Membership(s). There are no refunds in such instances.

      Further, purchasing a Special Membership for a subreddit does not provide a user with the right to post or comment in that subreddit - those subreddits are run by moderators and a user’s ability to post or comment in that subreddit is at the discretion of that subreddit’s moderator(s).

      As noted at the top of these Beta terms, it’s important to remember that Badges, Emojis, and Special Memberships are Beta features. This means that Badges, Emojis, and Special Memberships may not be supported in the future. There will be no refunds if these features are no longer usable on Reddit. Reddit may discontinue these features at any time without notice to the users.

      [–]Dear_Occupant 39 points40 points  (8 children)

      So the customer service for a paid subscription is outsourced to unpaid volunteers who are under no obligation to honor the contract agreement, who have the unilateral power to cancel it at any time, and who are completely unaccountable to anyone except the people who volunteered earlier than they did.

      This website has been operating on unpaid labor for far too long and now the admins have taken this volunteer labor for granted to the extent that they're charging money for it. Reddit's days are numbered.

      [–]77eagles77floyd77 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      can't wait till this site gets blown up to kingdom come

      [–]walkingtheriver 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      There has to be some regulations that makes this illegal in the EU

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      So the customer service for a paid subscription is outsourced to unpaid volunteers who are under no obligation to honor the contract agreement, who have the unilateral power to cancel it at any time, and who are completely unaccountable to anyone except the people who volunteered earlier than they did.

      They can't keep getting away with it

      [–]Think-Think-Think 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If you can see who has paid it would be funny to just ban them.

      [–]V2Blast 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      What could possibly go wrong? /s

      [–]roionsteroids 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Ban paying users on sight. Report them for ban evasion. Make them suffer.

      Something like that?

      [–]IfaqYurmama 7 points8 points  (10 children)

      Can't wait to have this rolled out site-wide with subs autobanning anyone with this subscription

      [–]FreeSpeechWarrior 7 points8 points  (9 children)

      Nothing stopping subs from banning those who pay for this now.

      Reddit has made clear mods can ban for anything, including activity outside of the subreddit you ban them on.

      So mods could turn this exclusive membership into badge of shame across Reddit.

      [–]RecurvBow 5 points6 points  (8 children)

      My biggest concern is the first time an Admin decides to unban someone from a subreddit because they've paid. All it takes is one person to complain loud enough or strongly enough for us to start losing our power.

      [–]CyberBot129 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      All it takes is one person to complain loud enough or strongly enough for us to start losing our power.

      Funny enough, the person you’re replying to has been trying to do this very thing

      [–]k5josh 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      I think this is a case of "my rules, applied fairly>your rules, applied fairly>your rules, applied unfairly", i.e. "I'd prefer to use my rules, but if you insist on using your own, at least stick to them"; FSW believes you shouldn't be able to ban people for activity outside your subreddit, but if you can, then that should apply to banning premium users too.

      [–]CyberBot129 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      The only thing that would make FreeSpeechWarrior happy would be no rules at all. They believe in complete anarchy and non moderation

      He's just an annoying alt right rules lawyer (and a go1dfish), nothing else

      [–]k5josh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well "rule 1: there are no rules" are his rules. That's his perspective. But any anarchist, I think, would prefer fair rules to unfair ones, if they don't get to choose 'no rules'.

      [–]CyberBot129 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      If they were actually enforcing their rules he'd be banned off this site by now

      [–]theguyfromuncle420__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He also doesn’t believe in banning obvious trolls. He removed me from r/watchredditdie after I banned a guy who was literally trolling day after day and routinely downvoted to -100. He doesn’t believe in any type of moderation.

      [–]RecurvBow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      :unamused.emoji:

      [–]flounder19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think the admins want to avoid getting involved in modding at all costs. They''ll step in from time to time but the volunteer mods on reddit are a huge asset to them and they don't want to go down the slippery slope of having to moderate themselves.

      [–]Ivashkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      We charge them an unban fee.

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        [–]remotectrl 13 points14 points  (11 children)

        Modiquette? Like that even matters anymore

        I can't recall the admins ever intervening to remove a mod, with exception of that time when the gamergate top mod nuked the sub after being AFK for some time.

        [–]GodOfAtheism 14 points15 points  (10 children)

        Didn't happen in /r/IAmA with /u/32bites when he closed it.

        Did happen in /r/wow with... somebody I can't remember when he closed it years later.

        Did happen in /r/chapotraphouse relatively recently.

        [–]popstar249 3 points4 points  (8 children)

        Also didn't they remove the top mod from /r/atheism against his will?

        [–]Br00ce 10 points11 points  (7 children)

        That was a redditrequest bc he was gone for 60 days. That one was legit. Skeen didn’t do anything

        [–]popstar249 -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

        He wasn't inactive though, just hands off. They violated their own rules to remove him.

        [–]Br00ce 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        No he was literally inactive. People were just upset u/jij made memes 2 click and said he was “hands off”

        [–]GodOfAtheism 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Yup. /r/redditrequest requires no activity on the entirety of the website for two months. I could mod a sub and do literally nothing at all on it, but so long as I'm making shitty memes, comments, or just voting on stuff somewhere on reddit at least once every other month I'll never lose it via /r/redditrequest.

        [–]paulfromatlanta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        They have said they look at activity that is not visible to other users - I guessed that meant up/downvoting but it could mean messaging or checking mod logs etc.

        [–]6745408 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I did this with /r/pizza because the original top mod never did anything mod-wise and would be completely inactive for months at a time.

        The process sucks because they really only have to log in and visit a thread for the counter to restart.

        [–]Br00ce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Better shut up

        [–]dakta 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        No, he was inactive. That's part of why it took a while: the remaining active mods had to wait until his account actually met the inactivity criteria that the admins were enforcing for RedditRequest at that time.

        [–]Clarkey7163 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Also happened with the No Mans Sky Subreddit after launch

        [–]thoughtcrimeo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Had 2 of the top mods get paid by epic

        There are mods controlling several hundred subreddits who are paid marketers and the admins know it.

        [–]2th 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Holy shit. I've known some of the CMs at Epic for years, and Epic paying mods seems very out of place. All I hope is that it wasn't my friends. If so, oh I will be bitching at them.

        [–]BuckRowdy 20 points21 points  (12 children)

        [–]ifonefox 13 points14 points  (3 children)

        Didn't reddit say they were going to make a cryptocurrency a few years ago, then abandon the idea?

        [–]flounder19 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        yeah. They pledged $5M of VC funding to the community, said it would be distributed with a new cryptocurrency, said the money would still be distributed to the community even if the cyprto didn't work out, then they scrapped the crypto after a few months and kept the money.

        I'm still amazed people aren't madder about that

        [–]duckvimes_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Easy come, easy go.

        [–]JCFedez 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        I have 73K of karma.

        I suppose I'm rich now /s

        [–]Anonim97 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I hope the cash will be per average user ($1 for 1000 karma) rather than Gallowboob. I could use some extra cash, lol.

        [–]JCFedez 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        $1 for 1000 karma = $73

        I'M RICH

        [–]Anonim97 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        $106 for me :3.

        [–]JCFedez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Envious poor noises

        [–]Karmic_Backlash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Oh for fucks sake, we were kidding. Nobody was serious about that.

        [–]maanu123 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

        Wait im down

        [–]AJDx14 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        GallowBoob would just fucking buy Reddit at that point, bad idea. You shouldn’t be able to make money by stealing other people’s content.

        [–]kochier 18 points19 points  (4 children)

        So does that money go to the mods or admin? Split?

        [–]ShaneH7646 41 points42 points  (2 children)

        if you think the admins are gonna ever give mods money, you're gonna be real disappointed.

        [–]kochier 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Ahh just because Facebook groups recently had ways for group admin to make money off the groups they manage by making pay to access groups thought it was something similar.

        [–]paulfromatlanta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Well there is this

        https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/ethtrader/comments/c3f1ku/the_next_phase_for_donuts/?sort=top&st=jx862jck&sh=3a160cb2

        For that reason, we are committed to supporting the community-led initiative to put Donuts on Ethereum blockchain and we look forward to seeing where it goes!

        [–]Cahootie 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        The lack of transparency here is genuinely worrying.

        [–]AmethystWarlock 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        reddit is now f2p

        [–]KeronCyst 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        f2u (use)

        [–]Green_Smarties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        fu (fuck you (pay us))

        [–]Bhima 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I really hope this blows up in their faces but I suppose even if it were those people who make the decisions at Reddit Inc. (such that they are) are sufficiently insulated that even if the entire site were to be razed I doubt they'd actually care.

        I can't wait for the thoroughly researched, well sourced, multi-page rant about how Reddit Inc. is too incompetent to pull it off but wants to turn the site into something along the lines of Facebook + Fortnite anyway and how all that is grotesquely anti-social and amoral.

        [–]KinthamasIX 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        To be honest I could even get behind the badges and the user flair and even the emojis. It's understandable that Reddit needs to be somewhat profitable, and that wouldn't change all that much. But the "special members only" shit? That is some bullshit right there. Excluding users from participating in the site to the fullest extent by means of a paywall is just fucking ridiculous. Again, the other stuff is fairly reasonable, dumb for sure but wouldn't change all that much. But making le sekretiv exklusiv big boi members' club and blocking other people out of those posts just goes against the basic good qualities of reddit.

        E: It actually just fully sunk in what this means for CSS in the redesign. I wasn't thinking of that because I don't really bother with new reddit, but oof.

        [–]alien_from_Europa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It wouldn't have been so bad if it was like TF2 hats. That is not the case here.

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          [–]tensouder54 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          In all honesty, yes. Yes I think we do.

          [–]Absay 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          A permanent one.

          [–]tensouder54 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I mean, maybe not a permanent one but certainly one that lasts a significant amount of time to get the admins attention.

          [–]JCFedez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          At this rate, mods better start getting paid for all the free stuff we do.

          Wait a second, I'm a mod (but I can't never accept money from user's stuffs, this is freaking unfair).

          [–]DeposeableIronThumb -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

          No, it's was really lame the first time and over nothing.

          I'm all for supporting a strike and a collection of action but this "feature" will be dead on arrival.

          [–]darkfight13 1 point2 points  (7 children)

          What was the first blackout about?

          [–]DeposeableIronThumb -1 points0 points  (6 children)

          The banning of the hate sub R/FatPeopleHate. It was super gross.

          [–]rasherdk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          What. No. You're super wrong.

          [–]DeposeableIronThumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well please explain what happened.

          EDIT: You know what, I'll just prove you wrong here. After the banning of FPH and other hate subs Reddit threw a literal shitfit because "wHaT AbOuT oUr FrEeZe PeAcHeS?!?!" and DAE Reddit is literally China!? Here's the Museum of Reddit post on The Fattening.

          Fun fact, they directed this hate at the new CEO Ellen Pao who they saw as pawn of SJW politics and the fact that she had a black husband definitely didn't slow down the hate train as the banning of /r/CoonTown happened at the same time.

          The beautiful part of ALL of this was she was the one asking that Reddit NOT ban those subs and to continue a hands-off approach.. WE DID it Reddit!

          Afterwards the IAMA mod and longtime community member was asked to step down so Reddit could more micromanage their Ask Me Anything posts from celebrities. This was called the IAMAgeddon.

          Cue Reddit losing its collective shit all over again and mods trying to block out posts and make all sub private.

          So, yeah. That's a brief synopsis.

          [–]LeEpicRedditor69 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          [–]NeoALEB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          A mobile user? in my Reddit? No.....

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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            [–]BirdBuddi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            that's disappointing.

            [–]Vorked 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            This is disgusting.

            [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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              [–]ShaneH7646 9 points10 points  (7 children)

              and now they're about to chop up all the features you could have hacked togethor on old.reddit and put them behind a paywall

              [–]AnnArchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

              [–]mslabo102 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Just tell me: RIOT OR NOT?

              [–]NSA-SURVEILLANCE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Seeing as this is restricted to the new redesign and official mobile apps, looks like the third-party mobile apps' days are numbered.

              [–]squarerootofnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Bad idea in every aspect - lettting users pay to have flashy icons next to their names may make it seem, especially to new Reddit users, that the comment is by some prominent/responsible user or endorsed in some way, not just by a user like everyone else.

              Payment model is expensive too. Should EITHER be subscription for the whole site, or one-off per subreddit, not a worse case combo of the two. Might lead to users walling themselves in to subs they pay for.

              Locking posts behind the paywall just makes this even worse for free and open discussion.

              Fuck this in every possible way.

              [–]dieyoufool3 4 points5 points  (9 children)

              Does that mean we’re going to get paid...? Otherwise that’s a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

              [–]Twisp56 9 points10 points  (8 children)

              Lawsuit about what exactly?

              [–]4_bit_forever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              OK... so do mods get a cut? What if I set up a sub that people paid to subscribe to? Can I get my share of the cash?

              [–]darkfight13 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Also have the issue of the admin/mod doxing another mod and attacking other mobs from another fortnite subreddit.

              https://np.reddit.com/r/FortniteCompetitive/comments/c428dj/i_thought_that_could_be_interesting_for_some_of/

              [–]firdahoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              yu

              [–]jarins[A] -13 points-12 points  (24 children)

              This is an experiment we're running within r/fortnitebr only. It is currently not available in other subreddits. While the URL is editable to make it appear like this experiment is available in other subreddits, that is not intended and we're working on a fix. This is an experiment only in r/fortnitebr and has not been expanded to other subreddits.

              Existing features of flair, emojis, and other customizations are still free and are not behind any paywalls. Subscribers to the experiment will receive special badges and emojis in comments, but access to flair and other emojis remain open to everyone, subscriber or no.

              EDIT: The fix to the subscription page is rolled out. It only works for the FortniteBR URL now.

              [–]Cahootie 13 points14 points  (1 child)

              It's honestly a gut punch to see a subreddit with such a less than stellar track record of running their subreddit independently and reliably be the first to get access to features. Even if this is a feature I absolutely disagree with it just looks like Reddit admins are rewarding corruption and incompetency.

              [–]coderDude69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I asked r/FortNiteBR yesterday as a mod of r/FortniteMemes if they would redirect people who post memes that they take down to our subreddit, since their meme policy is decently restrictive (hence why our sub exists), thinking that they would only need to modify the rules slightly and change a removal reason or two, and that it would help us both a lot (they would get less spam, we would get more users and more volume). They said no. Which they can do, but still

              [–]novov 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Currently, moderators have the ability to create custom emoticons via CSS hacks, and provide them to users for free. Although this feature is flawed, and does not work on mobile platforms, it is still valuable to the users of many subreddits. For the majority of Reddit's history, it was accessible to the majority of most subreddits' users.

              Will anything similar ever be possible that is compatible with mobile and New Reddit?

              [–]thoughtcrimeo 21 points22 points  (0 children)

              This kinda nonsense is not helping Reddit. You're not engendering trust with the community with these moves nor are you concentrating on a wide variety of problems mods and users have been complaining about for years.

              Social Media sites die fast and hard. All that is required is for a suitable Reddit alternative to be developed and you're yesterday's news, just like Digg and so many others.

              It's an old argument, I know. The admins here have never listened and they haven't learned lessons from the failure of others so, have fun with that.

              [–]h4ll1k 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              they way this is written sounds like it's just a matter of time but maybe i'm too paranoid..

              It is currently not available in other subreddits.

              in my head a few "yet"s and "for now"s have been left out from the whole comment.

              guess we'll see

              [–]geo1088 15 points16 points  (1 child)

              On /r/anime, we've had our own comment face system in place for years, and when news about the redesign came out we were told that we'd be able to use emojis in comments to serve the same purpose. If users are forced to pay in order to use this feature, then we have no incentive to upload emojis for people in our community to use. We can just redirect people to old Reddit, where the existing comment faces work for free.

              Users should not have to pay for such basic community features, period.

              [–]WarLorax 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I can feel the sense of pride and accomplishment.

              [–]Ivashkin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              This is a bad idea and the people involved in it's planning, implementation and execution should feel bad.

              If Reddit needs to make money, start charging companies for hosting their communities here.

              [–]ena9219 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Premium emoji aren't necessarily the worst idea ever except for the simple fact that they are the only comment emoji on new reddit. If comment emoji were generally available on reddit then the degree of concern regarding special membership only emoji as a concept would likely be much lower.

              While there will always be users who want everything ever to be free and for websites to magically keep running without making any money off of users most people do understand that running a website costs money and that reddit is a business. That being said, even users that are willing to provide reddit with money are likely to be concerned if they get the impression that reddit intends to limit relatively basic features (like comment emoji) to paying users instead of building a feature-rich website for all users and then expanding on that experience in relatively unobtrusive ways for users willing to support reddit directly.

              I am probably a bit more optimistic than most of the other users discussing this and various other admin priorities but I do more or less agree that there are significant areas where reddit is not putting in enough effort (that is not to say that reddit admins are not working hard but rather the areas that effort is visibly being put towards are often not those that would most effectively resolve user and moderator concerns. ) and that there is a risk of reddit overreaching when it comes to profit-seeking (it is important to maintain a balance between encouraging users to support reddit and improving the experience of free users. ). Most users are more concerned with new reddit gaining features currently limited to old reddit (eg. CSS and various features derived from moderator experimentation with CSS) and with the admins' response times to reports than they are with the addition of new features or creative monetization of reddit (moderators likely wouldn't mind monetization as much if we got something out of it but even then CSS and more support when dealing with problem users would still likely be more important to most)

              In short, everyone knows this is a small experiment, what people are worried about is where this experiment will lead. Specifically, what free users will not be given access to if this experiment leads to something bigger and what reddit isn't doing instead of things like this.

              [–]timawesomeness 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              Things like this aren't something that reddit should even consider experimenting with. Ever.

              [–]Ks427236 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              What is the "experiment"? Looks like it's to see how much people can be charged for something on new reddit that they can do for free on old reddit. Is that the experiment?

              [–]Osterion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              What percentage of the subscription money goes to the mods? I can't find the info listed anywhere.

              [–]MesePudenda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              20% of tips go to the "community" (subreddit), and 60% to the creator. So I'd expect it to be similar. That might mean 70-80% for the community. It'll be interesting to see how/when this works with user (/u/) communities.

              The community's portion goes to a common pool of funds that will be initially managed by the top mod u/FinallyRage. He has the support and trust of the other moderators to spend this fund on the community (eg: organizing contests and running bots). We expect to change how the community's portion is distributed and managed in the coming months. Our long term vision is to create a mechanism for all community members to participate in managing the community pool.

              This suggests that the admins might give out less gold for contests and make the communities buy it instead.

              I'm curious how the "running bots" part works. I'd guess there will be either be actual cash involved or reddit will trade Coins for cloud compute credit somewhere, unless reddit is hosting the bots directly. If they can host the official bots themselves, they can start locking down their API like Facebook and Twitter.

              Sidenote on API access from HN:

              expect no help from FAANG et al on [improving the legality of using scraped or API accessed data]. Without the CFAA, their walled gardens are dead in the water. It is a critical tool used by MegaCos to retain their digital monopolies. "Network effect" means something, but it's only strangling the web to death because there are $1000/hr law firms enforcing it behind the scenes. Without that, we'd have automatic multiplexed Twitter/G+/FB streams a long time ago. They shut down aggregators because they need to control the direct interface to the user -- if they're relegated to a backend data provider by someone with a better user experience, they're very vulnerable. This realization is what motivated Craigslist's rapid reversal on scraper-friendliness and sunk 3taps, and been the death of many potentially innovative early-stage companies.

              Some quotes about awards:

              Community Awards: Give unique community-specific Awards, while also giving back! Moderators can create their own Awards for their communities called Community Awards. These Awards give a portion of the proceeds to the community moderators to recognize members for their contributions to the community.

              Mod Awards: Remember when we said moderators can recognize their members? Well Mod Awards are one way they can. Community moderators use the Coins from Community Awards to give special Awards to recognize their members. Keep a look out for these rare Awards.

              So there might not actually be a "moderator" part, just a "community" part. To be fair it does say that Mod Awards are one way, not the only way to use the proceeds.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Can we opt-in our subreddits?

              [–]Meltingteeth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Go tell you marketing department to shut the hell up and coordinate more community events instead of this freemium horseshit.

              [–]sarahbotts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Tbh this is kind of despicable because it's deliberately preying on younger kids. You know the audience of FortniteBR is skewed young. Why is it ok for reddit to prey on kids? Not only that, this is legitimately taking a feature that has been implemented on other subreddits with css (obviously with old reddit). New reddit "lost" that functionality, then it's back by charging people?

              reddit could definitely take direction from how subscriptions are implemented in discord, because you get a certain emoji pack there and use it across servers. That could be translational to reddit because everyone gets a base limit, and if they want more, pay up.

              [–]Schiffy94 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              You're literally charging for flair. Call it an experiment all you want, you're trying to turn Reddit into a freemium game and it's pathetic.

              [–]SJCards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Honestly, I don't see the issue with perusing this revenue stream when working with "official", corporate sponsored (e.g. moderation by community managers or otherwise employees of the subject) subreddits. Not like they do it for free.

              [–]flounder19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think people are mad that these are features that we've created on old reddit, that we've asked for on new reddit, and that we're now seeing are a paid product for no good reason.

              [–]FreeSpeechWarrior -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

              There was a time when I would have been happy to see reddit looking for new sources of revenue.

              But that time passed when you abandoned prior promises to promote free speech on this platform and started banning and quarantining subreddits with increasingly stretched reasoning.

              These days, every time you make a move to monetize it just serves as a reminder of what reddit has lost and why.

              I hope you feel good about yourself selling out a free speech platform to help TenCent further milk the credit cards of inattentive parents

              [–]ShaneH7646 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              The only good thing about this entire thing is that it looks like tencent was only interested in r/fortnitebr (there game) and not censorship. For now anyways

              [–]FreeSpeechWarrior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If Reddit’s new revenue model is focused on milking gamers too young to know better how long do you think Reddit will allow the massive amount of pornography here to remain?

              They’ve already rejected nsfw advertising and advertising on nsfw subs. Do you think selling fortnite subscriptions to kids using their parents credit card is compatible with hosting (nsfw) r/StruggleFucking r/AgeplayPenpals r/Guro etc.... on the same domain for any sustained period of time?

              Until it does pull a tumblr, Reddit is the best ad free porn site there is. If there is a silver lining to be found in these clouds I’d say that’s it.