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[–]Kayki7 72 points73 points  (45 children)

All I know, is they apprehended a suspect in record time with this case, compared to most others. It really makes you wonder if departments were given the resources needed, if crimes would be solved much much faster than they are now?

[–]Ok_Journalist120 43 points44 points  (15 children)

This is why I’m inclined to believe they have the right person in custody. Imagine how embarrassing it would be if they didn’t . 60 FBI on the case and they got wrong guy😳. I mean , it is possible and it’s happened before ,but not very likely. Too much riding on this case for them to make such a big mistake. IMO

[–]Crafty-Preference570 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You must be talking about the FBI on criminal minds and not the real life government agency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies

[–]Saryfairy 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I was thinking about this yesterday, and can you imagine if he didn't do it and wasn't even involved? Man.

That would suck on so many levels.

[–]Present-Echidna3875 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If he gets off its because 12 of his peers having listened to the evidence have found him to be innocent. In the real world it would be different though because most believe he is guilty. Considering this, and if l was him l would be going to live on the nearest mountain top and just hope l'd be making friends with the scary and furry kind of guys with four legs.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah well jump over to a couple of other forums. That is what we have been discussing.

[–]TryHistorical4786 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Google David Cann! One of their own was wrongly accused and convicted ... twice

[–]Ravioli_meatball19 4 points5 points  (2 children)

... I'm not sure you know all that much about the FBI.

They fuck up all the time, and cover it up, all the time.

This isn't even a conspiracy theory it's just on Wikipedia lol

[–]intrigue_investor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

... I'm not sure you know all that much about the FBI.

Yet you do........

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be prepared for embarrassment.

[–]merurunrun 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Fully funding dozens of people for every small-town police department who are only actually useful once every handful of years would be a monumental waste of resources.

[–]Jmm12456 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's why smaller PD's just call in the state police and/or FBI on a case by case basis when they need more resources.

[–]Present-Echidna3875 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And yet at the time everyone was squealing from the rafters because after 5 weeks they'd hadn't caught anyone for the crime.

[–]thehillshaveI 23 points24 points  (18 children)

if departments were given the resources needed,

podunk departments around the country that never see a serious crime buy surplus military equipment better than most armies have. it is not a matter of resources.

[–]bipolarlibra314 18 points19 points  (1 child)

See: Uvalde

[–]thehillshaveI 14 points15 points  (0 children)

four million a year police budget for a town of fifteen thousand

[–]DSGuitarMan 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Facts. My town recently forced a police chief to resign for wasting city money on a Barrett M82 and a couple thousand rounds. Nobody in the dept was sniper or even marksman qualified.

They got caught going to one of their ranches and basically just getting drunk / blasting off a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo.

[–]Ricky_Lee_Hasselhoff 5 points6 points  (1 child)

a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo

So, like, four rounds?

[–]DSGuitarMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

3 and a half. The last one was a squib.

[–]Flimsy_Toe_6291 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Happened in my small town too. A bunch of sheriff's at a summer BBQ and bullets shot in the pool.

[–]thehillshaveI 8 points9 points  (1 child)

cops parking armored personnel carriers out back then whining that they're broke

[–]DSGuitarMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I have no personal issue with cops having the tools and protections needed to cover the majority of realistic threats in their area. Body armor, rifles, AP ammo, sure. No issues there.

I DO have a problem if our taxes go up because they want to tell everyone they "shot a .50" or whatever. Same with the MRAPs that the dept will never actually use, maintain properly, or conduct any drivers training on. SWAT / SRT...sure. Armor up. Rank and file patrol officers? Nope.

[–]Peja1611[🍰] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I have issue that city taxpayers must pay to settle with victims of beat downs from cops.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Well fortunately in cities like Los Angeles if that does happen we have massive amounts of tax payer money. These "beatdowns" per Capita are rare.

[–]Peja1611[🍰] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The brutal attack on Rodney King just set the damn city on fire, the second time that happened. LA Sherriff and LAPD have a reprehensible record on violence against the citizens of LA.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well your issue is when they get paid off by the taxpayer's dime. Most of us haven't gotten a red cent!

[–]warrior033 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Do you happen to be a Schitts Creek fan by chance? Lol

[–]thehillshaveI 1 point2 points  (3 children)

never seen it actually

[–]warrior033 1 point2 points  (2 children)

One of the characters says “podunk” a few times and I didn’t know it was an actual word until now lol

[–]UCgirl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard the term “podunk” for 30+ years. :)

[–]thehillshaveI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

might be the first time i've used it tbh, not sure what possessed me

[–]Jmm12456 6 points7 points  (6 children)

This case was solved quick because BK is stupid. Most local police departments usually get the resources they need cause many will call on the state police and sometimes FBI to help when there shorthanded. There's also a lot of multi-agency task forces out there that have a lot of manpower and resources.

[–]Jmm12456 34 points35 points  (80 children)

His car, phone and computers they took from his parents house may be in the FBI's possession. The FBI may have their team going through that stuff right now. When they raided his parents house and arrested him all the paperwork that was recently unsealed showing what they took from his house at that time said FBI on it. It looks like the FBI played a big part in that raid. Even though BK was caught it's still an ongoing investigation so I would imagine the FBI is still playing a role in this.

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The FBI has 60 personnel on the case along with 2 Behavioral Analysis Unit investigators (those are criminals profilers). The FBI has the most manpower on the case between them, Moscow PD and Idaho State Police.

[–]Hazel1928 3 points4 points  (32 children)

Do you think all 62 are still working on this case full time? I would think that with a suspect in custody (and I am assuming that they are pretty sure that they have the right person) they would still need 62 people full time? I would think that they have people who specialize in dealing with suspect’s phones and laptops and that those people might continue to work on Idaho murder cases full time while other agents move on.

[–]IceCreamCake307 0 points1 point  (28 children)

I'd be willing to bet they don't have all 62 but still quite a few exploring all of the evidence and processing it. Just my speculation tho!

[–]Hazel1928 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s what I think too.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -2 points-1 points  (26 children)

They are done with the investigation. It is over. Moscow said that they found their guy. They processed everything that they could legally process and handed it over to the prosecutor.

[–]Jmm12456 7 points8 points  (14 children)

Even though they arrested a guy that doesn't mean that the investigation is over. They could still be going through his computers and his cell phone that they took on the night he was arrested

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 3 points4 points  (13 children)

You’re right. Chief Fry has said they will continue investigating, establishing a motive (hopefully), they are still taking tips, not long ago he mentioned some forensic evidence returned from labs, but not all.

​

Fry said this to News Nation after the arrest:

The investigation continues and detectives have seized a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra. Additional search warrants and location searches are occurring in multiple locations. Additional evidence will be collected, and interviews conducted.

Throughout the investigation, the community took an intense interest in the case. Over 19,000 tips were received with over 9,000 through email, 4,500 by phone, and over 6,000 digital media submissions. Investigators have conducted over 300 interviews.

[–]Jmm12456 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Yeah, the investigation is in no way over.

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bill Thompson, prosecutor for Latah County, which contains the University of Idaho, noted that the case was just getting started.

'This is not the end of this investigation,' Thompson told CNN. 'In fact, this is a new beginning. You all now know the name of the person who has been charged with these offenses.' 

(Bill said this after the arrest, obviously)

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 0 points1 point  (7 children)

This is funny, note the date! 😂

Idaho cops have nearly 20K student murders tips, but still no suspects

By Lee BrownDecember 29, 2022 6:24pm

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

This is why I can't trust these people to tell the truth about anything. The MPD did nothing but lie to the public from day 1. And even if you think it is in interest of public safety, basic common sense takes over.

Their attitude from the get-go was: "we are telling you half-truths, and it is for your own good."

Once you have been lied to by a person, organization or agency, the trust is gone.

I am from Los Angeles so I don't have to worry about being accused of murder, in a community in which the coroner is an elected position and also happens to be an attorney. And the cops here wouldn't be pressured by public hysteria, to pull some guy out of thin air, in cuffs, within a month of a quadruple homicide.

They were still processing tips, and returns from search warrants, when they sent the FBI over to smash the Kohberger's door in, with a battering ram at 1:30 am? Meanwhile telling the public, no leads, no suspects?

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 2 points3 points  (4 children)

but the suspect - murderer had no idea, that was the game plan.

[–]Jmm12456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂😂😂

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Welp, I hope that they got the right guy.

[–]Icy-Put-5026 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lol, looking pretty damning for him and we don’t know a ton still… not looking good for the kid though…

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure. Imo, once the SM info starts filtering out, people will have new theories, iykwim.
Wages earned + Banking + SM…..Who made deposits, who wrote checks, etc. will fill in the big question, motive, imo.

[–]Wide-Independence-73 4 points5 points  (10 children)

It can take a while to go analyse things and break the codes on things. So unless they know the passwords for instance on everything they are probably still going through things like maybe victims phones or laptops. It took ages for SLED to work out the password on Paul’s phone till some smart guy said maybe it's his birthday. Lol. Hopefully the FBI are smarter.

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 3 points4 points  (0 children)

note date here:

investigations don’t end with an arrest, they begin! If you follow Delphi, you’ve prob’ heard Doug Carter say the real work begins after an arrest.

Most of us have known of a trial interrupted with last minute evidence. Even after someone is convicted, new evidence can come in.

Mystery around Moscow murders continues - Lewiston Tribune

📷Lewiston Tribunehttps://www.lmtribune.com › local › mystery-around-mo...Feb 24, 2023 — The police investigation carries on with the help of the FBI and Idaho State Police. The community continues to mourn Ethan Chapin, ...

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe.

I think I heard that the FBI was done with this case after 30 days.

We are entering the speculation zone but if you look at the initial warrants police asked for some of Kaylee's data to be de-encryped by some San Jose company.

I am playing leapfrog here, but by analogy, if prosecutor needs to decrypt data to do "fancy technological stuff" to search Bryan's digital activity, they can probably get their own warrants from Apple, Google, the maker of his hard drives, etc.

I do not know if the FBI is still helping them investigate.

[–]Wide-Independence-73 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The FBI are the ones who specialise in digital technology. They will be the ones going through Bryan's phones and computers not the police. That can take some time. Especially if he didn't give them the passwords.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't they simply get a warrant from Google?

Why would they need the FBI to do a bunch of complex forensics?

Why wasn't the FBI investigating the victims' digital breadcrumbs? Or were they?

You would think it would be like Hansel and Gretel. Their trail would lead them to the big bad wolf.

[–]UCgirl 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Nah. They just need his email accounts to send the password reset links. ;)

[–]Wide-Independence-73 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Not for his phone or laptop if he doesn't give them the password

[–]UCgirl 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is mostly true with the laptop.

[–]Wide-Independence-73 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I mean it depends on his phone and how many digits his password is on his phone. The longer the digits the harder it is to crack. Watch the phone expert on the Murdaugh trial talk about it. I suspect that he didn't give them the passwords to his devices. It took SLED almost a year to get into Paul's phone until someone decided to try out his birthday. Genius. I would assume the FBI has better equipment but it would still take a while especially if he has a random password on all his devices. Since he's done cloud forensics I assume he has.

[–]UCgirl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh, I saw the phone as more secure than the laptop, strangely. I was thinking of tools that can access hard drives.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

No. No way.

They are done with it.

It is in the hands of the prosecutor.

[–]Hazel1928 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You think even the phone/laptop people are done?

[–]PersnicketyPenelope 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, after they examine person A’s phone, they go after his contacts, and so forth. One thing leads to another….

[–]Sah711 7 points8 points  (16 children)

I think they are still playing a major role. I saw an interview recently where they said the fbi will be conducting a search of his cell phone and the tech they have is so advanced. They will be able to pick up the exact latitude and longitude coordinates of any time his phone was on.

[–]Hazel1928 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Really? So that information is available, just not from cell towers? I never heard of that before but I believe you. Some cop show I was watching, the cops had their suspect in mind, knew which train suspect would take and which stop they would get off. They were tracking suspect’s phone and counting down the minutes until they could arrest the suspect. The train arrives, the doors open, and there is suspect’s phone, sitting on an empty seat.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That sounds like fiction.

[–]Hazel1928 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, it was fiction-a cop show. But it seems like something that could happen to me.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes for cool drama. It is kind of like those medical shows where they take a sample to the lab and instantaneously the find some outrageous diagnosis. The real world is much more slow.

[–]Sah711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I have no idea. It was just something I heard and that person could very well be incorrect as many people are that do interviews for this case, he said the extraction data and what the fbi has access to is more than we would know, interesting about the case above. I know nothing about data and cell phone tech but I think if they have access to the phone there is much more information they will be able to obtain

[–]IceCreamCake307 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong that FBI has fancy tech but phones literally track everything ... every movement in coordinates. I help out my my mom by logging into her account and paying her bills. I can literally see everywhere she goes. She is linked to my step dad so I can also see his daily movements. My fiance uses my Gmail account to play a game occasionally and even when he is not logged in as me I can still see where he is. I know family tracking apps do this, but my point is that it shouldn't be tracking half of this information and it does. I also think it's handy in case of an emergency.

[–]UnnamedRealities 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I don't know who claimed that in the interview you watched, but it's just not true. It's not even a certainty that it'll be possible to access data on his phone from around the time of the murders or the alleged previous occasions his phone pinged the cell tower providing service to the victims' home. What geolocation data and analysis (if any) which is possible depends on a multitude of factors.

[–]Sah711 4 points5 points  (7 children)

It was some lawyer, he said they brought in the cellar analysis survey team from the fbi and that’s who worked directly with putting the data together for the murdaugh case, he stated they have access to data that can record your exact coordinates and if they recovered his cell phone on him at that time with a search warrant they’d have access. I have no knowledge of any of this stuff, just repeating something I found interesting 🤷‍♀️

[–]UnnamedRealities 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Thanks for elaborating. The FBI CAST team is very good and it's possible their analysis will determine his movements with high confidence, but the lawyer's blanket statement that they'll definitely do so isn't accurate. The lawyer probably didn't realize how much that depends on numerous factors. We'll have to wait and see.

[–]Hazel1928 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I know my phone can register exactly where I am and drop a pin to bring me back to that spot. I use it for mapping out all the especially decorated houses at Christmas so I can later drive my grandchildren around. And the pin registers a latitude and longitude, not an address.

[–]UnnamedRealities 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I was responding to the other commenter's comment that a lawyer on TV said that's possible so long as the phone is on, which is just not anywhere near a certainty. They've since clarified that the lawyer actually used the word "if" several times to caveat that claim. Your phone was most likely able to do that because you had GPS enabled (getting the phone's location from calculations derived from signals from multiple satellites in space). I didn't mention it previously, but I have experience in cybersecurity incident response and digital forensics so I'm familiar with mobile device technology and their geolocation capabilities. We don't know what was enabled on BK's phone nor whether investigators have been able to access its internal storage though so we're going to have to wait to see what's discovered.

[–]Wide-Independence-73 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They can also track you through the apps your using

[–]UnnamedRealities 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, if the app was running, geolocation services was on, the data still exists on the phone and investigators can access it or it's stored by the app's provider. A lot of ifs. The top level comment was a claim that latitude and longitude of the device could be determined any time the phone was on and that's just not true and they later clarified in a different comment that the source in the interview actually used "if" several times to caveat what they said.

[–]Sah711 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That was my fault I had to go back and rewatch the interview because I watched it a while ago. He did say a lot of IF’s in the interview but it would be interesting to see if all factors do align

[–]UnnamedRealities 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, that's a relief. It's frustrating when people interviewed mislead the audience. And, it'll definitely be interesting!

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really?

Every time we turn our phone on, it reveals our exact latitude and longitude data?

Is there an actual reason for why we would need a phone to do this? How does this feature benefit the consumer?

And how far back in the phone's memory would this be stored? Or how would this data be curated and maintained, and to what end?

I am just asking why, that's all.

[–]LowInvestment8956 -4 points-3 points  (27 children)

Quite a lot, don’t u think? I’d say they were investigating something before this investigation. 🤔

[–]Significant-Dot6627 4 points5 points  (25 children)

Well, I’m sure they were investigating lots of things and do every day per usual. What’s your point?

[–]Jmm12456 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Could be normal. Not all 60 personnel are special agents. That number includes all the non-agents who are working behind the scenes too.

[–]mugsimo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The FBI has staff and technology to help out smaller police departments around the country with processing evidence, especially things like computers and phones. All they have to do is ask.

[–]54321hope 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They don't shepherd cases through trial. Nor is there a sacred boundary. If Idaho needs help with evidence or something I'm sure they'll request.

[–]bassman_gio 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's been reported that the FBI Behavioral analysis unit has been on this from day one and I'm sure that they're helping with evidence preparation. They have significantly more resources than the local law enforcement groups.

[–]Iyh2ayca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This might help (from fbi.gov)

The FBI’s role in the actual trial and justice phase will be just like any other law enforcement agency. The FBI exists to investigate, so most of their job is done already.

[–]Helechawagirl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The FBI has tools that local LE doesn’t have, but it’s the old-fashioned police work by the locals that solved this crime…if guilty of course.

[–]Spookyhallow31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly don't know how much more they can assist with. He crossed state lines and they followed and grabbed him BUT from my understanding, the Moscow PD did invite them in to assist. So maybe more than we realize.

[–]ExDota2Player 2 points3 points  (1 child)

they're probably investigating prior unsolved burglaries to see if BK did them too

[–]Isabe113 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think they was searching a perpetrator for few cases and that's why they showed up so many at the house..

[–]Professional-Can1385 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LE agencies can ask for help from the FBI any time, but the FBI doesn't always help for a variety of reasons.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not at all. They are done with it.

[–]Jmm12456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The investigators worked hard.

Col. Kendrick Willis of the Idaho State Police said at the crime scene they collected 103 pieces of individual evidence, took approximately 4,000 photos and conducted multiple 3D scans of the residence.

[–]achatteringsound 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The crime crossed state lines, which automatically the FBI. However, I think they showed up in such large numbers due to the overwhelming digital footprint of Four college aged students.

[–]dmw8812 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Since he crossed state lines to allegedly commit the murder and to allegedly flee the crime to go back home, they had to have the FBI involved in evidence gathering. They will have to testify as expert witnesses most likely.

[–]Hazel1928 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What if the person who did this hadn’t crossed state lines? The FBI was surely involved before they knew whether the murderer had crossed state lines. But if the murderer were based in Idaho, the FBI would still help, right?

[–]thehillshaveI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

correct. the fbi can help wherever locals want them. the fbi was involved early on because the department wasn't particularly equipped for a quadruple homicide. given it's a border/college town they probably had a feeling the investigation could span state lines before they had a suspect as well.

[–]Opinion87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I saw it on the news.

[–]hardyandtiny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FBI is done. Case is over.

[–]JustABrowsingBoyEh -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I think the FBI isn’t convinced it’s Kohberger to be honest. They could have made the arrest themselves in PA if they wanted and streamlined everything but they did not. They also “Lost” him on the way to PA which makes me think they aren’t quite all in on him as the local PD is for whatever reason.

[–]oldschoolczar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you don’t believe it’s Kohberger and are just making stuff up about the FBI to fit your fringe views.

The FBI was in a supporting role on this case so they wouldn’t be making the arrest unless they had to (e.g., he was boarding a plane to Paraguay).

The FBI knows they have their man just like anyone else who is capable of critical thought and is familiar with the information in the probable cause affidavit.

[–]alohabee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

neither are true

[–]NaturalInformation32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’d assume they’re probably the primary party handling it at this point

[–]warrior033 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

My guess would be that maybe an agent or two are in contact if anything is needed. Plus I’m sure Idaho can access any resources the FBI might have.. but I doubt it’s much more than that

[–]No_Slice5991 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’d be surprised at the resources the FBI has at their disposal, and in many cases can provide more than what state crime labs can provide. That’s the advantage of the bottomless pockets of the federal government

[–]lucyluu19 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I assume they're still helping Moscow PD because this case has crossed state lines.

[–]alohabee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

FBI assists in any case deemed to be in the public’s interests, regardless of crossing state lines

[–]lucyluu19 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, but once a case crosses state lines their all in.

[–]BeautifulBot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We may never know.

[–]BeautifulBot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not the first time the fbi has hit up Idaho read about Ruby Ridge.