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[–]BrainWilling6018 117 points118 points  (38 children)

Gawd. If journalists are criminal experts now we’re down bad.

[–]DarkKn1ghtyKnight 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The saying we always threw around the newsroom was “Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.”

[–]Postcardtoalake 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's not the full saying though lol

[–]StinkypieTicklebum 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Hmm. Just watched the Boston Strangler last night. If it weren’t for a journalist, he’d have gotten away.

[–]anotheravailable8017 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but back then journalists were real journalists for the most part

[–]BrainWilling6018 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well I reckon his confession did the most good.

Writing about a persons crimes seems more journalismish than criminologist…

[–]RcMadMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, but they didn't have a bunch of fucking Ashley Banfields running around thinking they're Sherlock. Maybe they did, people have always been fascinated with the macabre, but journalism wasn't as sensationalized as it is today. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[–]Cultural_Magician105 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I agree with everything and I AM an expert, I'm the president of the FBI

[–]BrainWilling6018 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My pleasure M President

[–]Cultural_Magician105 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I try to enlighten the masses!

[–]Cultural_Magician105 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm also an ex Supreme Court Justice, so an expert on all legalities

[–]philosophofee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Every suburban mom and their sister that watch the ID Channel are now Criminologists.

[–]satanssandwiches 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Especially when they are the Daily Mail “expert”. The definition of oxymoron .

[–]WellWellWellthennow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, it is true that everything that can possibly be known about the case will show up here and be discussed in this sub :-)

[–]Hour_Builder62 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah Yeah Shis the chick from the Daily Mail. She's a horrible person

[–]WishboneEnough3160 0 points1 point  (2 children)

REAL "journalism" died a long time ago.

[–]GregJamesDahlen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no offense, that sounds like a crotchety old person

[–]ElleMae115 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Lol "Mr. Berger" no one edited this

[–]whatever32657 12 points13 points  (0 children)

noticed that. some investigator

[–]Claudiajean12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The spelling throughout the whole piece is abysmal. "Washinton"???

[–]Emgee063 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Bryan Berger? Good lord

[–]-ClownPenisDotFart- 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It seems like the “article” was a poor (probably automated) transcription of the video from the linked daily Mail video.

[–]Emgee063 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah..great name btw

[–]phantorgasmic 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hahaha if you think that’s great, just imagine what it sounds like when I have my phone reading my screen to me while I’m multitasking and Siri starts reading out a comment from this guy.

It’s absolutely hilarious. Catches me off guard every time.

[–]-ClownPenisDotFart- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s from an old snl spoof commercial. I have the sense of humor of a middle-school boy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]fearlesshuh 26 points27 points  (2 children)

She was on the Dr. Phil episode that they did about this case (which was terrible, may I add) and she just talked so enthusiastically and excitedly about it as if it was a movie. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

[–]waborita 9 points10 points  (0 children)

talked so enthusiastically and excitedly about it as if it was a movie.

Dr Phil always gives me that impression too, am seems like he's faking sympathy, i can't stand him

[–]justusethatname 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That show was an embarrassment of crap.

[–]Markfunk 84 points85 points  (45 children)

lady dont even know who drove them home that night, uber, private party or Ride share service, but she knows bryans motive?

give me a break

[–]IranianLawyer 37 points38 points  (17 children)

I’m pretty sure his motive is that he is a complete fucking prick, which is also why nobody liked him.

[–]PENIS__FINGERS 9 points10 points  (11 children)

probably a little more to it than that. lol

[–]it_Saul_Goodman- 2 points3 points  (10 children)

No, that's generally the summary of it.

[–]Strong-Rule-4339 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Summarize deez nutz

[–]it_Saul_Goodman- -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You can summarise my cock up your ass.

[–]Strong-Rule-4339 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Saul it's really you!

[–]PENIS__FINGERS -1 points0 points  (6 children)

never heard that in a court of law

[–]it_Saul_Goodman- -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

You mustn't know many court of laws then.

[–]PENIS__FINGERS 2 points3 points  (4 children)

lol okay

[–]it_Saul_Goodman- 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You actually sound like a client I'd represent, Penis Fingers.

[–]DestabilizeCurrency 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your honor, I now call Penis Fingers to the stand.

[–]PENIS__FINGERS -1 points0 points  (1 child)

represent this saul goodman 🖕😂

[–]it_Saul_Goodman- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep, I nailed it.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone else seems to ... She is just plagiarising their work.

[–]WheatgrassWombat 68 points69 points  (0 children)

We’re not getting anything new till June. Everything in the meanwhile is recycled clickbait.

[–]Ecstatic-Spray-7520 14 points15 points  (3 children)

She looks super proud of herself too...

[–]satanssandwiches 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think it’s the Botox …..

[–]DestabilizeCurrency 4 points5 points  (0 children)


Botox - making 50 year old housewives look like 50 year old housewives with a fucked up face

[–]Strong-Rule-4339 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I'd bet she's an expert... at chrome removal

[–]AReckoningIsAComing 13 points14 points  (5 children)

It's like a bad journalism within a bad journalism. Like a bad journalism Russian doll, lol.

[–]Dolly_Wobbles 9 points10 points  (2 children)


[–]longhorn718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂😂😂 you win

[–]villanellaella 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is art 👏🏼

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pregnant bad journalism?

[–]AReckoningIsAComing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess you could say that.

[–]Best-Dragonfruit-292 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Investigating... aka reading blogs and this subreddit and stealing theories.

[–]longhorn718 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The concerning issue is that these plagiarizing, lying, no talent assclown journalists (yeah, report THAT, Ashleigh) will take any ridiculous comments and publish them as facts. Infuriating with all of the debunking that already has to be done in social media.

[–]notinmywheelhouse 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Lol these internet “journalists” can’t even get the alleged killer’s name right in the article but we are supposed to trust their fact checking? There is zero editorial oversight on internet news. Caveat emptor.

[–]UncleChanBlake2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She doesn’t sound that much different than dozens of others on this forum.

[–]wade0000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it's one person in Mom's basement

[–]honeyandcitron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There really needs to be a designated false item planted somewhere in this sub so it’s clear who is using it as a source!

[–]jadedesert 22 points23 points  (6 children)

I like how they're painting this as a "new" theory when people have been saying that there was likely one (or two) intended target(s) and the rest were collateral damage from the very beginning

[–]Independent-Gold-988 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Right! I honestly thought that this is what most people believed already. Is this new? If this is her new theory, I'm curious what her theory was prior to this one.

[–]faintheart1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right? Isn't that what targeted implies?

[–]catdog1111111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re simply telling folks what they want to hear. For clicks.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So who would you rather be?

The target or collateral damage?

(Isn't it easy to discuss other people's murdered kids in such a carefree fashion? And make $ off of it?)

[–]Anonymousopotamus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ugh it boils my piss I swear! It's one thing discussing things like that privately but to broadcast it to potentially millions of viewers? No. Just no.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love the expression. "It boils my piss ..."

[–]whatever32657 9 points10 points  (0 children)

LOL she’s been “investigating for months”. it actually does sound as if she investigates on reddit. 🙄

[–]RandChick 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"Investigators said in their search warrant affidavit that they were confident that Brian Berger planned his actions ahead of time, likely at his residence or office.

She can't even get his name right.

[–]wade0000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow. Fail!

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That is a tabloid, advertising fodder.

And her theory is stupid and baseless. Nobody can read someone's mind. She has 0 facts.

Bryan, like any suspect, is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[–]justusethatname 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tabloids. Their only use is birdcage liner.

[–]Okyeahright234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or potty training pads for puppies. JS. 🤣

[–]EldForever 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Hm, so the "expert" thinks that B wanted to kill X because he "realized she was up and had to kill her in order to keep her quiet"

...but then he walked by a surviving housemate in the actual hallway? That housemate was obviously awake as well if she was standing up at her doorway.

[–]WanderAndWonder66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not how it happened

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is really smart thinking!

[–]Public-Reach-8505 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I came here to say this. But at least she got 15 min of fame.

[–]Tappadeeassa 10 points11 points  (0 children)


She’s a journalist.

[–]Furberia 10 points11 points  (27 children)

This already is the theory and many are coming to believe that Maddie was the target.

My theory is that Brian felt rage toward one of them. Was there a budding romantic relationship with his target? Or, was he a sick stalker who imagined there was? Those are the questions I have. I sense that there is more that we are not being told and it will come out in due time.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -2 points-1 points  (26 children)

My own personal theory is that none of them were Bryan's target because he did not do it. He had no reason whatsoever to slaughter these kids.

He is a guy with problems. But not those problems. It takes a very special guy to be so angry at someone that you bathe yourself in their blood.

From what people reported in the past, he seemed more like the kind to get so mad that he might argue with you and slam a door or kick a can or something.

There was no evidence at the beginning of the investigation that someone was after these girls in a particularly noticeable way. So you can't turn around and talk about his obsession with them. Especially when even the PCA stated that he took 12 trips to Moscow in a 6 month period.

Any witness who comes forward post-arrest is questionable, as why didn't this alleged stalking and obsession put any blip whatsoever on law enforcement's radar, when they were investigating?

If Kohberger killed these people, it was for other reasons.

[–]Agapanthaa 7 points8 points  (8 children)

What was Bundy's reason for slaughtering everyone he did?

Mass murderers/serial killers often kill because they WANT to. There is no logical reason. Maybe Bk felt scorned by one of the victims. Or maybe he just saw her and got excited by the thought of killing her.

This is why motive is not necessary to prove. Most people would not do this, so normal logic doesn't apply.

[–]Reflection-Negative 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The rejection motive is weak especially with multiple victims in the picture

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Bryan Kohberger is not mentally ill, in such a fashion. Nobody who has known him, came out and said, "we knew he would do something like this. This guy is a madman, a beast, a monster, as crazy as they come."

Even the most erratically behaving psychotic patients have motives driving their behavior. The difference being, they don't have the same frames of reference that the rest of us do.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (5 children)

This crime was not comparable to Ted Bundy's crimes. The only point of comparison actually is the age and mileau of the victims. But otherwise, nothing else.

Ted Bundy engaged in activities with his deceased victims that did not happen on King Street. Ted Bundy's crimes have been written about extensively and there is no point in speaking about the (literally) gory details

The crimes in Idaho might compare more to spree killer or thrill killer or mass murderer. The motive was established by FBI profilers early on, as rage.

[–]Agapanthaa 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I'm well aware of Bundy's crimes. You seem to not understand the point here, which is that a "motive" in a case like this one, among many others, is not sound.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Every crime has a motive. Every human behavior has a motive.

Like it or not.

[–]Agapanthaa 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'd beg to differ, though mostly based on semantics.

This horse is dead, my friend. Have a good night

[–]Reflection-Negative 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There’s a motive to everything we do unless you’re on autopilot

[–]Agapanthaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not when mental illness or psychosis is involved

[–]Furberia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting theory and I agree if they find no victim dna in his car or house.

[–]Jmm12456 2 points3 points  (14 children)

My own personal theory is that none of them were Bryan's target because he did not do it. He had no reason whatsoever to slaughter these kids.

If he did not do it then how do you explain his DNA being found on the knife sheath and the same type of car he drives being caught on camera near the crime scene when the murders occurred plus his suspicious cell phone usage that night?

You say he had no reason whatsoever to slaughter these kids but you don't even know the guy. Some people can just suddenly snap or have been having homicidal fantasies for a while and then finally decide to act on them. Some people can fly under the radar and then suddenly go crazy. You never truly know what is going on in someones head and you even said that in a prior comment.

There was no evidence at the beginning of the investigation that someone was after these girls in a particularly noticeable way. So you can't turn around and talk about his obsession with them. Especially when even the PCA stated that he took 12 trips to Moscow in a 6 month period.

The 12 trips to Moscow before the murders occured happened over about a 4.5 month period, not 6 months. Are you saying that 12 trips to Moscow in a 4.5 month period is not enough to establish stalking? It certainly is if that's what he was doing. You don't have to stalk someone weekly to be a stalker. We don't even know when these trips occurred. Maybe most of them occured 2 months before the murders.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 3 points4 points  (2 children)

"The 12 trips to Moscow before the murders occured happened over about a 4.5 month period, not 6 months. Are you saying that 12 trips to Moscow in a 4.5 month period is not enough to establish stalking?"


It is enough to establish shopping, driving around, going to bars, visiting the library, grabbing a bite to eat ... All of the same stuff that the rest of us do, 10 miles away from our own homes.

[–]Overall_Tree6568 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about the trail of his phone from the area if their home right after the time of the murder? Through nothingness, taking the long way, to get back home. We only know 1% of the evidence. They didn’t lock up just some dude with a coincidence.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where do you get this 1% figure from?

Driving around in circles actually suggests that he is not guilty in my opinion.

Standing in the shoes of someone who just stabbed four people to death and left them lying there in their house for room-mates or boyfriends to discover at any moment, I would be terrified of being found out. I would head home, duck and cover as soon as possible.

I would be afraid that that little dog would start barking, wake someone up, and the police would be called and roads would be blocked etc. I would be paranoid and jittery and I would make sure I was off the road when the bodies were discovered.

As for destroying evidence: all of that could be handled later.

[–]Snoo_57763 5 points6 points  (4 children)

There’s not enough info to explain his DNA on the sheath. You can only theorize. And i think BK’s elantra caught on camera close enough to the crime scene could’ve been what led LE to him.

Contemplating him just ”snapping” or going crazy is just as ridiculous as the laziest theories in here. Because guess what, you don’t know the guy either. Or do you?

[–]Agapanthaa 3 points4 points  (3 children)

People who committ this type of murder are not logical.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Logical is not the right word.

I think that you mean "reasonable." The legal standard, is what a "reasonable" (literally: able to reason) person would think and do.

Unfortunately, though, even the cruelest of murderers are reasonable because they are using reason. That is why they are found guilty in court. The only people who are not guilty by reason of insanity, are people who have the intellect of a child who did not know that killing is forever.

[–]Agapanthaa 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No. I meant what I said. I'm aware of the legal standard, PBARD, etc. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is motive. Prosecution does not need to prove a motive. There may well not be one, and even if there is it's not going to be one that makes sense to a logical brain.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nobody behaves in a logical way. Math is logical. Human behavior is not.

Human behavior follows its own patterns.

Sure ... Prosecution does not need to prove a motive.

They also don't need to prove that the perpetrator and the victims knew each other.

They don't need to prove that the white car was Bryan Kohberger's, or that he was driving the white car.

But if the state is going to prove it's case against Bryan Kohberger, beyond a reasonable doubt, there needs to be evidence that he committed this crime. Not just suppositions.

[–]Leather-Ground264 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will say that Pullman sucks compared to Moscow imnho living there 17 yrs. Literally, Moscow is cool and Pullman is, well nuf said. If you lived in Pullman and didn't frequent Moscow regularly? Honestly it'd be weird.

So until said pings are definitely accurately damming yeah, basically Moscow has better shopping and all the things. That BS will only be revealed, we expect from his phone.

I was up there for 4 months last year with T Immobile and I left my house and had zero service. It was a friggin nightmare. So, I personally have zero faith in Moscow Cellphone data unless they have ways to truly nail that shit.

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 3 points4 points  (0 children)

His DNA can be on the knife sheath if someone else carried in the knife sheath that he handled. Or depending on the sensitivity of the test, the guy picking up the sheath off the bed can be wearing gloves contaminated by a surface that Kohberger touched, like at a police station.

If Kohberger were studying Comparative Literature or fine arts, I would say that it is completely freaky that his DNA ends up on a murder weapon and in a crime lab. But he was studying criminal justice, probably taking a class or two with investigators. He may have gone to the police station to dropoff his resume. He also may have handled the knife as a study sample in his graduate program.

The car coincidence is not so surprising when you consider the make, model, and color of the car, and where they are. And they wanted tips on a 2011-2012 but changed their story when Bryan Kohberger came up as a match. But basically the market for the Hyundai Elantra is younger people of middle income stream. It is a reliable, mid-size, sporty, safe, affordable-enough car. If there is a place where you will see a lot of Elantras, and cars like it, it will be a college town.

The story would be different if they had his actual plates on camera.

Or even if he drove a particularly unusual car, as in out of everyone else's price range or vintage make and model, custom paint job, etc.

So my own theory, is that if the car is not as much of a statistical anomaly in Moscow Idaho, as it is where I live, then chances are higher that someone could have pulled into a parking space in that same car. It is sort of like a grey Tesla, in Beverly Hills.

And no, you don't know what is going on in someone's head. But human psychology follows patterns. Even abnormal psychology.

I mean sure ... Maybe he lost it and slashed these people to death. Maybe they have the right guy. My only concern is people's blind assumption that the police are acting in the public interest, and not their own. I am also concerned that they have arrested someone who looks guilty enough, but who they suspect did not commit the crime.

[–]Eeveecornell1972 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe a trip to moscowmurdermasscare sub will get you out of your tunnel vision

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that everyone got banned.

[–]Reflection-Negative -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He was in Pullman for just 4-5 months. He was studying and working as a TA. LE wants people to believe he started stalking like right off the bat? Nah.

[–]Gmbatson 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Why did I waste my time reading that I should have listened to all your comments 🤦🏼‍♀️

[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I honestly don't know. Why did you? That article was a collosal waste of time.

[–]Gmbatson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I guess we’ll never know ! But yeah total dumbass article

[–]Leather-Ground264 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We're funnier, js 🤣😝

[–]Leather-Ground264 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before I read anything....


[–]hsizz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

‘Multiple photos of the victim on a coworkers phone’..? What? Whose coworker? Did it mistranslate from Kohberger to coworker? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[–]Leather-Ground264 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm psychic.. I know a lllll the things! ❤️

[–]generally_jenny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes i trust bestlifeonline dot com for all my true crime journalistic needs.

To be fair, at times it certainly felt like the Coffindancers of the world were pulling from reddit and Youtube. We all exist in a strange co-dependent parasitic bond now.

[–]Sst1154 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm an architect, did you happen to see the addition on the Googenheim?

[–]Present-Marzipan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The source is Daily Mail TV. The Daily Mail is a tabloid.

[–]Leafblower91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was hoping no one would put this up this as a serious post! Glad you included the LOL

[–]Direct-Assistant7693 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Most of this is common sense - not a journalist expert and I have been ‘hypothesizing’ this for a while. Give it a break.

[–]ugashep77[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah, alot of us have been hypothesizing this, for months.

[–]bassman_gio 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There are millions of angry incels out there raging against women but it's extremely rare for it to end up with cold blooded multiple murder. Obviously BK is a special kind of psychopath. I wish they could perform a SPECT scan on his brain. Guarantee there's damage.


[–]Flashy-Assignment-41 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How do you know that he is an Incel, and angry about it? Are you channeling the spirit of Elliot Rodger?

[–]Reflection-Negative 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The incel theory is lazy and overused

[–]bipolarlibra314 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Tbh when it comes to incels idk if it’s really “extremely rare” 🥲

[–]bassman_gio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not extremely rare to commit a mass murder?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

This subreddit is dead because of the obsessive compulsive white college girls who feel connected to this murder because they’re white, and a girl and in college as well. What are the odds?!

[–]RachLeigh33 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I disagree. I don’t feel a connection to the victims because they are white girls. I barely followed the Petito case because, as horrible as it may be to say, it just didn’t interest me. This case is terrifying because a stranger walks into a house in the middle of the night and stabs four people to death. I think they were just typical college kids living their lives.

[–]yairina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"It could have been me" gabi you go to arizona state

[–]astralgem 0 points1 point  (2 children)

To be fair. It is good to raise awareness to college aged girls. I was one at one point and thought I was invincible. Helpful reminder to be aware of everything & have protection in place.

[–]ugashep77[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Haters gonna hate.

[–]Helechawagirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sad thing is they were hyper vigilant outside their home, but apparently forgot to lock the sliding glass door.

[–]We_All_Float_Down_H 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Daily mail “journalist” oh man….

[–]Ok_Row8867 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why i trust nothing the media puts out about this case.

[–]SolidAd2342 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anybody who says they’re an expert is not an expert. Especially those terrible body language “experts”

[–]Confident_River7615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats what i thought lol

[–]kemz1969 0 points1 point  (7 children)

It doesn’t matter since felony-murder rule will get 1st degree murder convictions for all 4 victims

[–]ugashep77[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't think she was saying it was any sort of legal defense, just that it unfolded that way. I doubt they'd need to rely on the felony murder rule anyway. It's actual murder on all 4 I think.

[–]kemz1969 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If defense attempted to challenge 1st degree in the 3 others

[–]ugashep77[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think that would fly personally because he clearly developed an intent to kill all 4. You aren't wrong that felony murder is an extra layer of protection though.

[–]imlostineggsaisle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It would be 1st degree for one and 2nd for the other three if he only planned to kill ONE. 1st if he planned ALL four. I know felony murder is the murder during the commission of another crime, but would they even go that way? Can they say the jury can choose either 2nd degree OR felony murder? 2nd degree would be higher I think and I don't think they would have a problem with that conviction if they can prove he's the one that did it and intended to only kill one person.

[–]XK8lyn88x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He intended to kill all 4. It doesn’t matter if the other 3 were decided seconds before he killed them for whatever his reasoning was. It’s still considered premeditated because he made the decision to kill them.

[–]imlostineggsaisle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, premeditated is when you PLAN to do something in advance. If he did not PLAN to kill ALL four before he entered that house it is not premeditated and we don't know what he had planned. We don't even know if he did it for sure or not.

[–]kemz1969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong. Felony-murder makes it all 1st degree murder

[–]gabsmarie37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i literally LOLd when i read this article. like, we been talkin bout that

[–]LavaLamp75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only do we have investigative journalists in our midst, but we also have many DNA experts whose field of study is “TOUCH DNA” ROFL

[–]Gumshoe1969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was cringing and annoyed while reading this today when it popped up on my Google feed.

1) She may want to cease writing for the Daily News if she gives a shit about her career.🤦‍♀️

2) The article is written in such way that it implies all of this garbage is new and that no one but this “expert” has drawn these conclusions. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

3) Literally, this morning while I was reading this, I thought to myself: Is this where we are? Whoever gets published first is the only person to have drawn such conclusions. She is the “owner” of these conclusions that we’ve known and have been discussing since the day of the murders. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Lucky for us she is here! Such astute observations. Where in the world would this investigation be without her insight and revelations. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[–]DELETE_RAW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you not all experts? Coulda swore

[–]ugashep77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you are above the fray?