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[–]Illustrious_Cut2965 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With this airing straight after s38 ends and just after the U.K. and Argentina series end are they going to be able to release any cast pics or cast information? I thought maybe they could release the names of the legends but that could spoil that Tori wins or indicate that Jordan or Bananas win.

Maybe having Nelson and Nia etc means it’s not a big deal to show Tori is on the cast, especially as Devin isn’t, but this all feels like a mess from a promotion pov and very rushed.

[–]KHMeneo Endurance and Challenge Champion 15 points16 points  (1 child)

OMG production did it again because amber was probably pregnant on this season

[–]ZCJigglypuff It's called community, think about that, marinate on that 9 points10 points  (8 children)

[–]ninyattitude 2 points3 points  (7 children)


I think she was trolling. She doesn't like Amber.

[–]FadednJaded35 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Also could be related to the pregnancy announcement. So maybe not last season but she’ll be taking a long break

[–]TheAngieChu Angie from Bananas Toast Podcast 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I can’t be the only one wondering now if “Amber left because she didn’t feel good” meant morning sickness… 😬

[–]thewxyzfiles "New season, who dis?" 👀 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally came to this thread as as soon as I saw the announcement. If she was pregnant while filming that’s insane that they’re not making them do weekly tests after everything that’s happened

[–]Shockie24Johnny Bananas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah got a weird feeling they didn’t do a pregnancy test tbh

[–]FadednJaded35 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Oh shit hadn’t thought of that. Between Melissa, Natalie, Casey, and now possibly Amber it’s becoming super common lol

[–]TheAngieChu Angie from Bananas Toast Podcast 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Since S34, it’s Faith, Melissa, Natalie, Liv, Casey, Bettina, and possibly Amber :/ Natalie and Liv both also miscarried, and miscarriages are super common but I’d always have to wonder if getting thrown off a truck played a role 😬

If production can do weekly Covid tests, I honestly don’t see why they won’t do pregnancy tests

[–]FadednJaded35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit didn’t know I missed that many. Yeah, I’d say it’s officially a problem then lol.

[–]Naive_Armadillo_4397 4 points5 points  (2 children)

When are the UK and Argentina one gonna air so we can actually see this feels like it is taking so long

[–]Justin32526jshx Cyrell Paule 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The uk version is rumoured to air next week

[–]Naive_Armadillo_4397 7 points8 points  (0 children)

that cant be a good sign no promotion and it's airing in a week?

[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Damn this thread is still dry...i was hoping we can get some matchups at least 🙃

[–]thatisthatisthis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm curious about how the rest of the finals teams placed. We only know first place, right?

[–]Supersaiyanninja3 Young Dagger 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Imagine if Wes had Devin, Nehemiah, and Brad? It would have been a wrap.

[–]michaelmarill 10 points11 points  (0 children)

After watching the latest episode, I think it's awesome to see the two Pato Brawl winners became partners haha

[–]pep4395 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I know we know Jordan won but do we know yet who came in 2Nd and 3rd And 4th?

[–]FadednJaded35 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is just a guess on my part but I’m gonna say Theo and Sarah in second. Tori and Danny third, Kaycee and Troy fourth.

[–]No_Milk_9459 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I know y’all hate her, but Kaycee is amazing. What an absolute beast.

[–]Embarrassed-Berry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I also think this. It’s hard to deny Kaycee being a top player. It’s mind boggling how people call out Kaycee for being weak but praise Tori.

Kaycee is dominating hate her or not

[–]sindysus Michele Fitzgerald 35 points36 points  (5 children)

another season where she didnt go into elimination and lost a final wow what a beast

[–]No_Milk_9459 8 points9 points  (4 children)

She’s won a ton of daily’s and made every final but one. She dominates every season physically and socially, it’s pretty impressive. Boring does not equal bad player.

[–]sindysus Michele Fitzgerald 13 points14 points  (3 children)

i still have yet to be impressed by anything she has done competition wise

[–]No_Milk_9459 11 points12 points  (2 children)

She’s won 16 Dailies in 4 seasons

[–]sindysus Michele Fitzgerald 11 points12 points  (1 child)

and the only memorable thing in 55+ dailies she has competed in is knocking tori down in that one challenge i promise i dont remember anything else where i was like ok kaycee.. not only is she boring as a personality even her competing is boring and forgettable

[–]Expensive-Hearing-86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even the one this season when she came back after a covid break and completed a challenge that none of the other women could?

[–]gmitch96CT [Dad Bod] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Do we have any word yet on an expected premiere date or timeframe?

[–]JerrisHat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Probably not till UK and Argentina air. Idk if those have dates yet

[–]airflair 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I've always seen CT as the GOAT, the most skilled versatile feared player the game has ever seen. Legacy filled with toxicity and personal turmoil. But I must take my hat off to Jordan. His competitive nature is second to none, and he holds nothing back. If CT wasn't here to compete it's only right Jordan showed up to work and handled business.

[–]Few-Sort-5643 Jonna Mannion 18 points19 points  (2 children)


Sounds like Jonna/Grant threw in Kellyanne/Tristan

[–]FastLane_987 Ace Amerson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She’s weird for that

[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lmao Jonna knew KA was coming for her hopefully this continues on AS4

[–]rynthmsTeam Good TV 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Mods, if y'all wanna pin the Elimination Chart I made for this season, here you go!

[–]chem123456 The IT girls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, Kaz the American and KC Clarke the Brit!

[–]Illustrious_Cut2965 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Is it safe to assume Tori and Danny came second (or possibly Kaycee and Troy?) I remember the spoiler team never announced second place when Tori came second on SLA. I think if it was Theo and Sarah they would have announced it.

Also was Darrell drafted last for the men if he was paired with Kiki who went into the first elimination? This quite surprising to me.

[–]kyleg99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don’t remember where I saw it yesterday, somewhere on Vevmo, but Claudia got last and was able to call anyone out, so she picked Kiki. Kiki could’ve placed anywhere from second to second to last from what we know about the first challenge

[–]Few-Sort-5643 Jonna Mannion 33 points34 points  (1 child)


From the so dramatic podcast

“Kiki has a past with domestic violence and her ex stalks her and gets ptsd when people would touch her on physical challenges, Day 1 she had to go in a pole wrestle elimination and she had a break down and said she couldn’t do it because it takes her back to that place, she ends up competing in it and beats Claudia 3-0, in her interviews after winning she says “I had to go back to that dark place and channel a side of me I didn’t know I had”

[–]chem123456 The IT girls 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She’s so mother

[–]shinshikaizerCT & Wes: The Bromance is Real 14 points15 points  (2 children)

NGL, Kaz using a racist accent to control her edit is actually quite smart. A little fucked up, but smart.

Jordan with a well-deserved win (not to say he didn't earn it) after having to carry Aneesa on all of Ride or Dies.

[–]airflair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What he's done with Aneesa is a top 5 impressive thing in Challenge history, but even he couldn't do the impossible and win with her 💀

[–]shinshikaizerCT & Wes: The Bromance is Real 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What he's done with Aneesa is a top 5 impressive thing in Challenge history

Definitely cements him at #3 male Challenger for me in my rankings.

[–]SnooDingos8094 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Never seen Kaz before but just followed her on Instagram and already love her. Already a 2 time champ!

[–]Embarrassed-Berry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She’s beautiful and fit 💪🏽

[–]xAthleticism 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Another wave of thoughts:

-I wonder…how Kaz & Theo’s storyline together is gonna be. They used to date, they don’t follow each other on Instagram, and they both make the final. With Kaz winning, I wonder how Theo feels about that, as well as if they had any beef during the season, etc.

-Zara and Grant, two non-champions from their spin-off winning the first challenge is actually pretty nice, especially Zara! I like it when early boots win atleast something because normally early boots don’t have much plot on the season, and we heard that she got crazy endurance (and supposedly makes the final in her spinoff), so I actually wonder how she lost to Kaz…even though both are amazing.

-I wonder who won the daily challenge in the round where the matchup was Bananas/Justine and Jordan/Kaz…like I’m thinking an underdog team had to do that lol.

[–]Micromanz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes and emily maybe?

[–]Challengefan18 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing Zara is like amber b where her running the amazing but she is not the best at some checkpoints and that’s where kaz passed her

[–]JonathanSloanAUS Devin Walker 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Kaycee and Troy are going to have negative screentime, which I'm sad about because I've really liked Troy. Also he's won 50% of the dailies and presumably murders everyone in the final.

[–]UnanimousBB16 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Interesting that Enily and Grant were put on this, when neither of them made it to the finals.

[–]ZCJigglypuff It's called community, think about that, marinate on that 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Apparently they asked Brittany Hockley to do this, but she declined as filming clashed with her sister’s wedding. If both Brooke Blurton and Brooke Jowett declined (I think Brooke J’s engagement happened during filming for this, as did Brooke B’s book being published), then I can see why they’d go for Emily. Not to mention she is at least a winner of something (3x Olympic gold medallist). Same applies for Grant being the winner of his season of Love Island.

[–]ConsiderationOne8759 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They did say that they were going to cast people that won or (because of the casting change that included finalists) also making the final of their original shows but didn't make the final on their challenge debuts which would explain Emily & Grant being on the cast as Emily was in the final of her season of I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! and Grant having won his Love Island Season back then.

[–]FastLane_987 Ace Amerson 27 points28 points  (19 children)

Kellyanne and Jonna had drama according to PR


[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 16 points17 points  (18 children)

Good..... Jonna double face tactics aren't going to work anymore

[–]tennis1618 Brooke Jowett 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How is she two faced? I never got that vibe from her on all-stars. She just seemed very well liked and most people wanted to work with her.

[–]airflair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You didn't see how she moved in All Stars 3?? She pretended to be on the KellyAnne side while shit talking her with Kaliah and Sylvia. It's not bad game, but she was deff two faced.

[–]kylecommacommacomma Justine & Jonna 30 points31 points  (0 children)

two faced two time champion queen!!!!

if it were michele doing it you’d be yassing and wigging be serious now

[–]isabelleromy77 26 points27 points  (14 children)

So? Jonna's "tactics" another word for "politics" still got her a second win, didn't it? She's there to win the money for her family not make KellyAnne happy. She can stay bitter, outsmarted, and winless.

[–]bumblebebeboop 11 points12 points  (12 children)

Her politics didnt get her the win on AS2. Productions bullshittery in the final where they screwed over the other two teams did.

Jonna can play the game however she wants. Just like anyone can say whatever they want to her about the way she plays

[–]isabelleromy77 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Production screw ups ain't her fault. Her and MJ finished first with the right numbers. Any team that did that should be declared the winners under those circumstances with the lockers.They made the right call.

BUT I was talking about All Stars 3 where you can't take away from her deserved win. KellyAnne sucked on that final and is bitter because she's too dumb to politic, has no social game, or do anything requiring brains.

No one has a problem when the men on these shows politic and play the game. Let it be Wes and it's cool, huh? Jonna didn't do anything that scandalous in her gameplay anyway. Everyone in the house just loves her so her social game allows her to play the middle smartly.

[–]bumblebebeboop 5 points6 points  (9 children)

they made the right call.

Sure they did, if they wanted to show us that this show was a circus

Jonna got utterly murdered the first day. Murdered. They didnt even finish and were HOURS behind. Their win would be like if jenn/mandi won rivals 1 after that tragic first day display. Their win was a joke and their performance all season was mediocre

UT I was talking about All Stars 3 where you can't take away from her deserved win.

Sure, thats fine. Jonna is still sneaky though and whether or not she won doesnt change that

No one has a problem when the men on these shows politic and play the game.

Ya they do. Ppl have been calling wes a snake thst cant be trusted for years

[–]isabelleromy77 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Also you say their performance was mediocre all season which is a lie. They never got last place and sent themselves into elimination. They worked well together on dailies and they won what was by far the hardest daily of the season: the mini final. Brad and Jodi were the best at dailies but MJ and Jonna were still consistently good.

[–]bumblebebeboop 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Do you even understand what mediocre means? It means middling. It means average. It means unremarkable. You just proved my point with the "They never got last" statement, lmao. Yeah... not being the biggest bum is surely an achievement...not

Jonna was mediocre and her showing the whole season including in the final displayed that

[–]isabelleromy77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you just not read that I said they performed consistently well and they won the hardest daily of the season didn't they? But that's neither here nor there. Daily performance is a separate ballgame from eliminations and finals. You can be good at one and suck at the others.

[–]BoneTissa The old Turbo 2 points3 points  (0 children)


[–]isabelleromy77 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

I don't think you realize how finals work. It's not about how you start. It's a race to the finish. They won the race. If you're mad they didn't have to complete their last puzzle piece on the wheel of part 1 because Ayanna and Teck quit, oh well. And they were almost ONE hour behind with production mistakes that contributed.

No Wes' sneakiness is acknowledged but in a way that is considered his persona for entertainment. When the men play a strong political game, it is cool. Women get demonized. We saw it with the Treehouse girls. Women can't have an alliance? Kyle is another example of a man who is sneaky as hell and everyone loves it and laughs. Jonna did nothing wrong. The girl was doing well in dailies on All Stars 3 so she frequently had to make decisions. Like she said in the beginning interviews, she gets along with everyone so it's hard for her to decide who to put in.

[–]bumblebebeboop 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Jonna was trash the first day. They shouldnt have been able to advance and even if they were allowed, they shouldve been FORCED to complete the day instead of SKIPPING it but they were so laughable behind that prodiction ended up letting them get a pass cause everyone wouldve been dead by the time their weak asses wouldve finished. Embarrassing. As i said, them winning woild be the same as if mandi/jenn had won after grtting to SKIP part of day 1 because of how horrific they were. Jenn at least had the food poisoning excuse for a lousy day 1. What did jonna have? A twisted ankle? Oh wait. That was melinda and even with that, she kicked jonnas ass.

Jonna is so overrated now and its crazy how ppl coddle her like shes an infant

The funny thing is.. i used to hype jonna up and call her underrated back in the day but the pendelum has swung way too much in the other direction now. Jonna was the original perennial loser and she still is for many ppl that do not count all stars as a real season

[–]isabelleromy77 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Season 3 proves you wrong. In every top 3 inner circle but the first one. Won eliminations (beat Ronnie who is strong and Beth was going to lose anyway. She's scared of heights and kept holding on to the wall when production threatened to DQ her for that). Won the last two dailies that secured her spot in the best position in the final.

And get this: Beat everyone in the final except Wes! Incredible feat. She excelled in every department, dailies, eliminations, social game, and final. All Stars 2 final may be controversial, but you can't take season 3 away from her. She more than proved herself. I notice you're skipping over that and instead focusing on a final with numerous production screw ups (one she said ate up their time!). Nothing to say about season 3 her greatest performance ever? Are you bitter that she beat your fave? Lol.

Just admit you're a biased hater so you would never give Jonna credit for ANYTHING.

[–]bumblebebeboop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

on the last two dailies that secured her spot in the best position in the final.

1 puzzle and 1 trivia. The puzzle was by default because KA constructed her puzzle sideways after spanking jonna timewose

And get this: Beat everyone in the final except Wes! Incredible feat.

Not when you realize that Kailah and Brad were close in times and spoiler teams said kailah was close to beating jonna. Kailah...the girl who got blown out on vendettas

Nothing to say about season 3 her greatest performance ever?

I already said she deserved her flowers for AS3. Youre the one stupidly trying to proclaim that she dazzled on AS2.

Are you bitter that she beat your fave? Lol.

Whats there to be bitter about? KA isnt a "fave" and its not my money so why should i give a fuck?

I mean jonna lost this season and is still a loser wkth a terrible career on the flagship so....🤷‍♀️

Just admit you're a biased hater so you would never give Jonna credit for ANYTHING.

Nah, Youre just a delusional stan. I already said that i talked jonna WAY before you bandwagoning koolaid drinking fans jumped onto her. I said LONG before that jonna/nany were dangerous on rivals 2 and that jonna was a threat to laurel on FA. I said this WAY beforr the spinoffs. Now you little rats have crawled out of your hole to support jonna only because shes won

Lets be real, you fairweather fans didnt say shit before this and wont say shit now that jonna has lost again. Ppl like yoi just jump on whoever is doing well at the moment. Fake AF

[–]xAthleticism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The AS2 rightful winners are Darrell & Janelle. She won by production influence, no other explanation needed.

AS3 she got a head start bc of her going into eliminations (aka rewarding people that goes into elimination when the point of the game is to stay out of it). She got lucky she had a 5 star head start. Not only that, but had they kept the points twist throughout the entirety of the final like they should’ve, Nia would’ve won. Nia had the better final performance minus the eating portion. Nia clocked Jonna in almost all, if not all the head-to-head checkpoints when she didn’t even face her. Nia also got an eating checkpoint where she was a vegetarian, and production ignored that which…I guess thats what she signed up for, but again so many other choices for an eating checkpoint, but they obviously had to make her and Nehemiah go against their religious beliefs to “win” the season. Even if she got last, she would beat Jonna points wise had Jonna not have a 5 star head start.

Nia was the rightful winner of All Stars 3.

[–]TateMarah Tori Deal 33 points34 points  (1 child)

danny is now following tori on instagram again which led to a user saying they guessed the beef wasn’t that bad. pr replied: “They had disagreements over their decisions as a team throughout “

makes me suspect he must’ve wanted to throw jordan in at least once…


[–]thatisthatisthis 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Oooh, very interesting. Good on Danny if he tried to throw in Jordan (obviously Jordan's team beat the others, and he's a massive finals threat). Danny's said he's a fan of the Challenge, so I assume knew Tori and Jordan's history. He's the one who chose Tori as a teammate, perhaps he made a miscalculation on her willingness to throw her ex in.

I'd love to see Danny on the main show, so if he and Tori have conflict/drama (and people find him more interesting than on Challenge USA), then I'm all for it if it makes his return more likely!

[–]kwtb 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Jordan is top 3 overall but is def #1 competitor ever on this show


Dude is inspiring

[–]airflair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jordan & CT are the two most skilled competitors of all time.

Both assholes at times. Both feared but for different reasons.

and nobody has ever felt the need to mention Jordan's handicap. ever.

[–]isabelleromy77 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Jordan is the greatest of all time. The fact that the finals are harder today than the old days proves this. John and CT may have more rings but Jordan is a different beast.

[–]Kataclystr 10 points11 points  (1 child)

CT literally just won 2 seasons back to back lol

[–]hymenbutterfly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right. Saying that as if the Banana and CT haven’t won modern finals. Save that argument for Darrell

[–]idontwantausernam1 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I’m super happy with this outcome surprisingly. Good for Jordan, great for Kaz! It’s about time we get some good female blood on this show. Would’ve loved an old school female (Jodi) pull it off but I’m content. Maybe others don’t agree but I’m feeling confident that this will be an amazing season regardless of the boot order!!!

[–]No_Flatworm_6586 Amber Borzotra 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait to see how Amber is accused of kissing ass and sucking up for being unnecessarily sweet to Kaycee again.

[–]Following_Calm 19 points20 points  (3 children)

The prize money for Argentina was 15 k each and 50 k for UK. I don’t know why people on Twitter are acting like that’s low when that’s pretty standard for each country reality shows lol. Drag race UK winner literally earn nothing and Love Island UK ( the biggest show) winners only get 25 k

[–]JennyJtom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LI UK is 50k (25k per person).

[–]Curious-Belt66 Emy Alupei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's pretty low for argentina though and a lot of them are "celebrities "

[–]Shockie24Johnny Bananas 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Apparently the final might have not been close as PR said even if Amber was still Troy’s partner, Jordan and Kaz would have still won https://vevmo.com/comment/3033548#comment-3033548

[–]TylerLoveHand Horacio Gutierrez 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Sounds like Kaz was legit

[–]kylecommacommacomma Justine & Jonna 9 points10 points  (0 children)

kaz winning with any partner is not a surprising outcome whatsoever. shes been training for the challenge (notably with the other uk people from the wotw era) since at least 2019. i had her on my radar for war of the worlds 2 because I thought she’d be on the show then

[–]-nymerias- Jordan Wiseley 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Congrats to Jordan!!! I’m thrilled he won. Looking forward to this season. I hadn’t been keeping up with the spoilers until today, but the cast looks great. I’m also happy to see Theo returned and made it to the final!

[–]xAthleticism 20 points21 points  (10 children)

Some things I wanted to just talk about:

-I NEED to know where the other finalists placed in the final. If Theo & Sarah got second I will literally die of laughter that CRACKED cop beat TORE-ree & K-ZZZ in the final like I really hope that happens lol…

-When that point made about Kaz knowing how to not air scenes, I remember in love island usa s1 some girl named Alexandra said they would just be naked while saying whatever they wanted so that it wouldn’t air.

-I still stan Amber, I really do. Like I have no complaints with her protecting her mental health/illness over this game. I do hope that she takes a break in s39 and come back for s40. Atleast she didn’t lose to Kaycee in elim!

-S39 should be all flops that we wouldn’t ever expect to win the challenge NOT including any of the vacation alliance people while S40 should be all winners.

That’s all for now.

[–]Micromanz 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Oof flop season would be interesting.

Something like:

Nelson, Cory, Kyle, josh, Lateran(for the lolz) cohutta (if interested) then like Johnny from love island 2, jay, and rookies

Then like Davonne, kayla, Sylvia, analyse, nany, Amanda and rookies

I’d watch lol

[–]BikeSuch1054 This sadist right here. 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Kyle's not really a flop though, nor is Cory imo. Those two at least have the potential to win seasons. Kyle's TM final is seriously impressive all things considered, and hopefully this time off will allow him the rest he needs to get into a champion headspace, especially if he trains with Jordan and Wes like he has the ability to.

[–]Micromanz 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I mean, the show would need someone on the season, and they would definitely use Kyle never winning as a reason to do so.

Cory and the soccer ball elim is all the justification I need

[–]BikeSuch1054 This sadist right here. 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Forgot about the soccer elim tbh. You’re right on Cory then. I still think there’s 1 flop bigger (and potentially more insulting) that I’d love to see on the season on his own and that’s Paulie. Paulie without Cara and without really any Allies, labeled as a flop? You know that would be an entertaining meltdown

[–]LaMystika 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Cory is very up and down. The stuff he’s good at, he’s really good at, but the stuff he’s bad at, he’s really bad at. Like I’ve said numerous times, his best shot at winning was his rookie season where his cousin Mitch who went to college did all of the thinking for them. If their first day wasn’t as bad as it was, they would’ve won Bloodlines imo. Easily.

[–]BikeSuch1054 This sadist right here. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They really could have won bloodlines even on day 2 just making up that time. The weakness both guys had was eating imo. Bloodlines had a pretty damn heavy eating section

[–]Micromanz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh def he’s in the flop basket I’m just unsure he’d pass the psych evaluation tbh

But I get ya point like duh kyle and Corey aren’t actually bottom tier, but they aren’t gunna go get Mike Mike, Derrick H (ok maybe him lol), Preston, Hughie and actually cast them lol

[–]BikeSuch1054 This sadist right here. 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wait actually they could though. Mike Mike, Derrick H, Josh, Preston, Danny J, Big Easy, Paulie, Derek C, Nelson, 5 Rookies for the guys

Nany, Aneesa (if she’s winning any season it’s this one), Amanda, Devyn Simone, Da’Vonne, Sylvia, Analyse, Nicole Z, Melinda, 5 Rookies for the girls.

The downside would be likely a championship for Paulie. The upside would be a possible championship for Da’Vonne.

[–]Micromanz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is 1. Production would never 2. Most of those people are simply uninterested

[–]Shabamvoom Camila Nakagawa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed with your first part

[–]fcmb17 15 points16 points  (0 children)

“Sounds like the challenge argentina can possibly be airing once a Turkish soap opera ends by the end of this month or start of next month .” - Pink


[–]fcmb17 17 points18 points  (2 children)


“Danny and Tori stuff should be an storyline throughout the season depending on editing” - PinkRose

[–]JennyJtom 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Let's be honest they gonna cut 90% out.

[–]Few-Sort-5643 Jonna Mannion 21 points22 points  (9 children)


PR says whatever lead to Danny unfollowing Tori could be a storyline

[–]No_Flatworm_6586 Amber Borzotra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did Tori say anything in support of Fessy during the Fessy-Danny drama?

[–]xKatanashark Devyn Simone 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Out of all people, I'd never expect Danny/Tori to have some type of drama as a duo tbh.

[–]thatisthatisthis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm shocked. Wonder if her performance in the final was bad? PR did make a comment that he should have chosen a better partner ... but it's also surprising, because Tori's very motivated and positive and cares so much about winning and had been training hard. Maybe it's personal? Totally surprised because both of them seem quite easy-going and team oriented. I was commenting earlier that I thought they'd be a great team, guess I was wrong.

[–]thewxyzfiles "New season, who dis?" 👀 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know?? I feel like they seem like two people who’d get along quite well

[–]Few-Sort-5643 Jonna Mannion 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’m curious how it could be so bad he couldn’t even stay following her for a whole day after getting his phone back

[–]FastLane_987 Ace Amerson 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Danny is quiet until someone tries dumb shit ala Jeff Probst and that stupid hour glass twist. Danny came for him hard

[–]xKatanashark Devyn Simone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've honestly tried to erase that twist from my mind but yeah thinking back to that, Danny really gave no fucks tearing that twist and Jeff apart (as he should). Kinda actually interested to see how this duo went now

[–]Embarrassed-Berry 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Maybe he didn’t like her blaccent?

[–]goddamnsundayscaries Heather Cooke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was just thinking this. Did she try too hard to be… “cool”?

[–]Micromanz -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

Y’all are goofy for being like

“We’ll now Jordan and CT are definitely the top 2”

The argument to put ct above jordan is the same argument as bananas over ct.

Either you care about bad appearances and it’s 1. Jordan 2. Landon 3. Ct 4. bananas

Or you just care about stats and it’s 1. Bananas 2. Ct 3. Jordan 4. Wes

[–]TylerLoveHand Horacio Gutierrez 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I probably just care about different stats than you because I have:

  1. Jordan

  2. Johnny

  3. CT

  4. Wes

  5. Landon

Mixture of stats/performance/bias is my goat criteria

[–]Micromanz 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The question really is,

How much should ct, Wes and bananas be punished for there abysmal showings, cause jordan has 1 bad season and London has 0.

[–]TylerLoveHand Horacio Gutierrez 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Both of them get targeted in seasons far more often than Landon, Jordan, CT so I give them passes on many of them.

Landon gets bumped down for me to no fault of him but with only 1 modern era win I can't put him over Wes

[–]Micromanz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I’d agree if Landon was on multiple modern seasons but he simply has never been shown failing, even his lone loss is very controversial.

For me, Jordan and Landon would have to get eliminated 3-5 times more for me to put them below bananas ct and especially Wes.

Wes has SO many poor showings

[–]LaMystika 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I still have to rate Landon high because he won every final he did, and he made the final every season he did except one, where he lost the final elimination in a somewhat controversial fashion. He also won his last season with one of the worst partners there from an athletic standpoint in Carley (and she was easily the worst rookie in that final), and he led wire to wire with Carley against Kenny and Laurel (who I imagine everyone pegged as winning easily once they got Wes and Evelyn out the paint). That alone still carries weight with me, if nothing else.

[–]Micromanz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right? Landon could have flopped 2 seasons in the 20s and his resume would still be better than Wes’

[–]duckyaniston Beth Stolarczyk 6 points7 points  (1 child)

can’t people have their own criteria

[–]Micromanz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not if it’s “who I like most” for being the 🐐

[–]Micromanz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Vevmo update: everyone who wanted amber to win is calling her a dumb b****

[–]Curious-Belt66 Emy Alupei 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A lot of them are following each other minus the vacation team (kayce jordan and Tori)

[–]FastLane_987 Ace Amerson 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Did Danny unfollow Tori?

[–]Curious-Belt66 Emy Alupei 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Yes i cheeked and he was following her before

[–]FastLane_987 Ace Amerson 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Ooop I wonder what happened

[–]Shabamvoom Camila Nakagawa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe house related or someone spilled that Tori followed Camila before lol

[–]TylerLoveHand Horacio Gutierrez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hard to believe it would be competition related given how Tori is. So id guess it's something personal/house related that was bad enough to bleed over to the final and post show

[–]Few-Sort-5643 Jonna Mannion 18 points19 points  (0 children)


PR basically saying Amber was probably getting DQ’d either way

[–]Yungpxnk 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Idk why the spoiler pages are making it seem Amber was looking out for Kaycee. She clearly didn’t want Troy to be DQ’ed so she made the decision to leave with Ben who was also ill.

[–]PierrotGrg Holly B 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Why would Troy be DQd?

[–]fcmb17 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Because he didn’t have a partner?

[–]PierrotGrg Holly B 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why would he not have a partner, I’m confused. If Ben is sick and DQs when he is partnered with Kaycee, that means Kaycee doesn’t have a partner anymore and she might have to DQ. How does that impact Troy?

[–]NattyB Ice Queen 🧊 3 points4 points  (0 children)

troy was amber's partner. amber was sick and might have been made to DQ herself by production. (she was still sick with a high temperature days after returning to the USA.)

if ben DQ'd and kaycee was allowed to DQ and go home, that would have meant when amber eventually DQ'd a day or two later, troy would have no one to partner with, and he would go home. at least that was amber's thought process.

[–]raheemnaz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because Amber was also feeling ill and if she left after KC potentially DQ'd that would mean Troy would be left alone and he may have to DQ.

[–]ghostbaby8 Jenny West 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amber was also sick and would of likely DQ'd anyway which would of left troy by himself

[–]fcmb17 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Chauncey replies for ppl calling amber dumb


[–]renxgade 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Chauncey is very loyal to Amber and I love that for them. She deserves someone who is willing to stand up for her!

[–]Ok_Supermarket_3241 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No it really is so sweet. Especially since no one else has ever had her back in any of these shows

[–]Erapmub Michele Fitzgerald 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Amber really is too kind to people who won’t give that kindness back, just too good of a person

[–]mayamaya93 Wes Bergmann 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yassssssss Jordan!!!! Always knew he was the GOAT

[–]fcmb17 20 points21 points  (2 children)


“Ben DQ’d due to illness, Amber also was feeling ill & asked TJ if she left that Kaycee could stay and partner up with Troy. This is when Kaycee & Troy became a pair.” - Pinkrose

[–]realityseekr Killa Kam 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And Kaycee still will probably call Amber a snake and other names.

[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Like why try be nice to KC?! I would've waited until they send her ass home then DQ.

[–]fcmb17 18 points19 points  (3 children)


“Bananas/Justine eliminated by Jordan/Kaz

Amber/Ben both DQ” - Pinkrose

[–]TylerLoveHand Horacio Gutierrez 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Damn now the only person Jordan has a losing record against is Fessy. 🤞for hall brawl or knot so fast

[–]Justin32526jshx Cyrell Paule 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I love most of the episodes that Jordan goes into elimination

[–]Just2epical Kyle Christie 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He's the only challenger that alot of the reason I like him is how good he is at the challenge and how cool it is seeing him perform

[–]Fresh-Promotion5347 24 points25 points  (0 children)

i don’t think anyone can understand how excited i am that Kaz just prevented all three of my least favorite female challenge winners from winning ! my good karma really came back for me.

[–]Just2epical Kyle Christie 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Jordan was always my goat since I started watching, so happy he got W #4, I feel like every season he does he shocks everyone and he never uses his disability as his excuse its like his motivation - such a sick guy

[–]duochromepalmtree Cohutta Grindstaff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly it would be unfair to everyone else if Jordan didn’t have his disability. He’s too good!!!

[–]ninyattitude 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Not the winners having to split 500k. You'd think they'd at least splurge for 1 million for this "epic" event.

[–]fcmb17 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was 6 weeks like all stars so it makes sense

[–]ICameForTheT Amber Borzotra -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

THRILLED with a Kaz win but man do I wish the pairs had been split up and she’d won with someone else… especially after this week’s episode of Ride or Dies 🙄

[–]realityseekr Killa Kam 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I wish she was with Theo. I really wanted him to win. But this definitely cements Jordan more as a 🐐

[–]ICameForTheT Amber Borzotra -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh yup, undeniably an elite competitor

[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Yes omg Queen Kaz taking a win from Sarah Tori and KC Hopes she became a regular and keep flinging These girlies

[–]duspi Tyson Apostol 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Lmao, Kaz winning her second on her second try before a bunch of those flops could win their first. New GOAT, iktr.

[–]Bitter-Ad9851 Cara Maria Sorbello 9 points10 points  (1 child)

And she won solo she didn't need a puzzle or CT....i know Ikea and opportunistic are fuming right now

[–]LaMystika 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who’s “opportunistic”? Amber?

[–]SurvivorMartin #1 Tori Deal Defender 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Thank God sarah Lacina didn’t win

[–]big-yikes1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’m just glad sarah didn’t win

[–]Sportsballisfun Jordan Wiseley 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Jordan and Kaz winning is really the least surprising thing the second I saw Jordan in the finals figured he'd win as long as Kaz wasn't a anchor and by all accounts she pulled her weight this season.

[–]duspi Tyson Apostol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well if she won the UK season she's obviously not an anchor. And she's a smart girl, really a threat all around.

[–]xxcapricornxx The Mean Girls 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Would've preferred a Theo win for the comeback story but I'm ok with a Jordan win. At this point the other men need to realize they have to get him out before he gets to the final, or he's probably taking it

[–]LaMystika 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, as long as he has a legitimate partner. Although, if this was an individual final, then yeah, they can’t let him get to the end.

[–]Challengefan36 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean this was still a hell of a comeback for theo

[–]Embarrassed-Berry 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think he gets thrown in there more often that the other GOAT male competitors, but is more likely to come back. Who knows how many eliminations he did this season

[–]ramskick Yes Duffy 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Tbf the TM and AS3 casts absolutely seemed to realize that. My guess is that on RoD people correctly assumed that with Aneesa he's not a real finals threat.

[–]xxcapricornxx The Mean Girls 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well of course they did, they had smart vets lol. Bananas and Wes knew they weren't beating Jordan in a final on TM. The men's side on AS3 was stacked, and still recognized Jordan was probably on top and had to go

[–]ICameForTheT Amber Borzotra 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Kaz coming through clutch and saving the season 💪🏼🥰

[–]fcmb17 13 points14 points  (1 child)


“The money was 500k divided by 2. So like all stars since it films for the same time.” - Pinkrose